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From: Jack Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 7:56 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] CALEA Compliance
I went to email him, but his website says he will not respond to emails from
outside his district.
his website
On Sat, 28 Apr 2007, Mark Koskenmaki wrote:
I won't defend all the crazy intrusions by government.
SWEET RELIEF!
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My calendar:
On Sat, 28 Apr 2007, Edward H. Winters wrote:
In my case with less than 30 subs, one network operator (me), and
tiny budget, there is no way i can afford even a low cost solution.
let alone 4 or 5 employees.
So unless some miracle occurs, I will close shop on May 12.
What equipment is in
On Sat, 28 Apr 2007, Edward H. Winters wrote:
I would roll my own, but even if i had a working intercept device
(opencalea's tap program) it would still need to forward the
collected data to the TTP for mediation.
This is not the case. Be a little patient and there will be more
information
On Sun, 29 Apr 2007, Edward H. Winters wrote:
the provider or the TTP have to provide the information within 8
seconds of real time to the LEA via a mediation device.
You are misinformed. See here:
http://www.wispa.org/?page_id=22
See question/answer 18.
every trusted third party i have
On Mon, 30 Apr 2007, Todd Barber wrote:
I have seen numerous posts on the WISPA list indicating that a cost
effective and compliant solution for this issue was being worked on
and would become available in the near future.
All I can say is please be patient. An answer to your question is
On Tue, 1 May 2007 03:20:11 -0500 (CDT)
Butch Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sun, 29 Apr 2007, Edward H. Winters wrote:
the provider or the TTP have to provide the information within 8
seconds of real time to the LEA via a mediation device.
You are misinformed. See here:
Agreed
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Intelligent Computing Solutions
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From: Sam Tetherow [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 9:26 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pig tails
Roger Peters [EMAIL PROTECTED]
John Scrivner wrote:
We look forward to proving that this thinking is wrong. What part of
CALEA compliance is it that makes you think we cannot develop a low
cost and reasonable solution which will not break the bank?
Even if you do come up with a way to handle LI in time for the deadline
I spoke with roger about his pigtails before, he buys them from a
distributor just like anyone else, although, it it always nice to talk
to him, he has is own unique prospective, and reasonable parts+ship.
On 5/1/07, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Agreed
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Mike Hammett
Ty,
I assume you are planning to use certified gear for this.
Regards,
Dawn DiPietro
Ty Carter Lightwave Communications wrote:
Anyone out there willing to throw a helping hand to me in setting up a
MT hotspot I have tried several times; and just can not get it to
function as I think it
Matt Liotta wrote:
John Scrivner wrote:
We look forward to proving that this thinking is wrong. What part of
CALEA compliance is it that makes you think we cannot develop a low
cost and reasonable solution which will not break the bank?
Even if you do come up with a way to handle LI in
Tom in Branson (Formerly of Pittsburg KS)
Give me a shout please!
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Today my company turns 10 years old. Building this company has been one
of the most rewarding things I have ever done. I feel very blessed to be
part of all this. Many of you have played a large role in my success and
I thank all of you. I have always considered my success in this business
to
Scriv,
Congrats and Have Fun! 10 Years in this business is something to
celebrate for sure. :-)
Regards,
Dawn DiPietro
John Scrivner wrote:
Today my company turns 10 years old. Building this company has been
one of the most rewarding things I have ever done. I feel very blessed
to be part
I just wanted to mention about this. It's true, Routerboards are not FCC
certified. Neither are WRAP boards. But there are a lot of inexpensive,
fast combo boards that are FCC certified, that fit into nice 1U/2U short
rack cases that are also FCC certified, making an inexpensive, FCC modular
On Tue, 1 May 2007, Edward H. Winters wrote:
when you consult the fcc documents they point to existing standards
which define exactly this. i understand wipsa's document was
created from opinions of the wispa calea committee which were
formed during informal talks with the government agencies
On Tue, 1 May 2007, Ty Carter Lightwave Communications wrote:
Anyone out there willing to throw a helping hand to me in setting
up a MT hotspot I have tried several times; and just can not
get it to function as I think it is prescribed to function... i.e.
can't get it to work... doa.
On Tue, 1 May 2007, Peter R. wrote:
Cisco and some other equipment is CALEA Compliant in that you can
collect a tcpdump or whatever.
You mean Cisco OR some other equipment. There are a multitude of
equipment that can handle that part.
But then you need to collect that data, extract only
I still would like to know the amount of incident that this CALEA will cause
for all of its costs to our industry. Did anyone ask the FBI, why they
cannot have several machines and deliver them as needed pre-configured then
we can install them when they are needed. It is highly unreasonable
On Tue, 1 May 2007, Dawn DiPietro wrote:
I assume you are planning to use certified gear for this.
Why would you assume otherwise? This is a bit contentious isn't it?
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Outstanding John.
Congrats... Wheres the party... You don't live that far from Effingham.
Ross
- Original Message -
From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 9:03 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Mt. Vernon.
What WISPA member is short, overweight, climbs towers, talks with an accent,
writes with a unique flare, lost his hair, applies ointment to his tush on a
regular basis and turns 45 tomorrow? Need a hint, open the attachment.
It's a good thing his wife is a sweetheart.
Dang this is fun.
On Tue, 1 May 2007, John Scrivner wrote:
Today my company turns 10 years old. Building this company has been
one of the most rewarding things I have ever done. I feel very
blessed to be part of all this. Many of you have played a large
role in my success and I thank all of you. I have always
Good job!
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
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From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 9:03 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Mt. Vernon. Net
If we can come up with a device to capture and send to an FTP server and
allow for VPN connectivity then why can the most powerful law agency in the
world not do the same. This way they controll it all. We just provide the
pipe to get the data back to their preferred location. I do not know
You'd come across a lot of privacy issues giving the FBI that sort of
access.
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Mike Hammett
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From: Ross Cornett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007
Rick Harnish wrote:
What WISPA member is short, overweight, climbs towers, talks with an accent,
writes with a unique flare, lost his hair, applies ointment to his tush on a
regular basis and turns 45 tomorrow? Need a hint, open the attachment.
It's a good thing his wife is a sweetheart.
I
I might have a boat load of new never used still in the package mmcx to
n female bulkhead.
I have to check to make sure the mmcx is correct.
George
Erik Jansson wrote:
I'm looking for the best quality lowest loss pigtails, mostly ufl and
mmcx to N female bulkhead. Who sells the best? I
You want to help the guy or poke him with a stick?
:O)
Chadd
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Dawn DiPietro
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 8:22 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Hotspot Setup
Ty,
I assume
Ross Cornett wrote:
I still would like to know the amount of incident that this CALEA will
cause for all of its costs to our industry. Did anyone ask the FBI,
why they cannot have several machines and deliver them as needed
pre-configured then we can install them when they are needed. It is
Can the Certification Nazis give it a rest for a couple of months?
There will be plenty of StarOS and MT certified systems by then and we
can send these stupid threads into /dev/null oblivion.
Sheesh.
Matt Larsen
vistabeam.com
Chadd Thompson wrote:
You want to help the guy or poke him
Has everyone read the Opencalea presentation?
http://www.opencalea.org/NANOG39-Lightning.pdf
Looked through the mailing list posts.
http://www.merit.edu/mail.archives/opencalea/
And had a look at the code.
http://code.google.com/p/opencalea/
Matt
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All,
Can anyone point me to anyone else who has certified a Mikrotik system
other than Trango and assure me that every Mikrotik user is deploying
one of these systems? Just because one is using FCC certified parts does
not make the system as a whole certified.
Regards,
Dawn DiPietro
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I kind of thought the same thing, but thought he may be poking fun
at him or something.
I have been planning on joining WISPA this year once I can scrape up
the $$ to do it but with the recent bashing of certified/non-certified
solutions I am not sure it is where I want to spend
Does anyone service Aberdeen, MD? I got a call from a desperate prospect
today.
Thanks!
Martha Huizenga
DC Access
202-546-5898
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Matt,
This is great news. I look forward to seeing this happen since this
seems to be the system of choice from a huge number of Wireless Providers.
Regards,
Dawn DiPietro
Matt Larsen - Lists wrote:
Can the Certification Nazis give it a rest for a couple of months?
There will be plenty
Is it really any of your business Dawn?
George
Dawn DiPietro wrote:
All,
Can anyone point me to anyone else who has certified a Mikrotik system
other than Trango and assure me that every Mikrotik user is deploying
one of these systems? Just because one is using FCC certified parts does
not
Dang it Rick,
That's not a fair question.
Except for the turns 45 tomorrow part, that description could apply to
dozens or even hundreds of people on this list. :)
jack
Rick Harnish wrote:
What WISPA member is short, overweight, climbs towers, talks with an accent,
writes with a unique
On Tue, 1 May 2007, Dawn DiPietro wrote:
Can anyone point me to anyone else who has certified a Mikrotik
system other than Trango and assure me that every Mikrotik user is
deploying one of these systems? Just because one is using FCC
certified parts does not make the system as a whole
You need to filter out data that is not under the subpoena.
And (as I understand it) the LEA should work with you to get the data.
Ross Cornett wrote:
If we can come up with a device to capture and send to an FTP server
and allow for VPN connectivity then why can the most powerful law
agency
This post is not a response to the question or helpful. You took an
opportunity to state an opinion which has derailed the original intent of
the thread.
Mark Nash
UnwiredOnline.Net
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It's cool. :-)
Butch Evans wrote:
On Tue, 1 May 2007, Dawn DiPietro wrote:
Can anyone point me to anyone else who has certified a Mikrotik
system other than Trango and assure me that every Mikrotik user is
deploying one of these systems? Just because one is using FCC
certified parts does
People have been saying this for quite some time.
There's a lot of people who have been deploying star-os and mt based gear
with the assumption that at a future date would come some minor regulatory
changes that would let them certify stuff already out.
The new modular transmitter rules may
Dawn:
Not that is really any of your concern or not, that I use certified
gear; that has absolutely NOTHING to do with my request for assistance.
There are people on this list that have been there and done what I'm
trying to do and know how to help me with this issue. Certified or
uncertified
Mark,
You are correct with this statement. I did get a little out of hand this
morning. Apologies to the list.
Regards,
Dawn DiPietro
Mark Nash wrote:
This post is not a response to the question or helpful. You took an
opportunity to state an opinion which has derailed the original intent
The basic parts you'll need are:
Linux based router or tap capabilities on the on you have.
OR a managed switch that will allow you to mirror a port.
Does anyone reccommend a good switch that supports this and is rack
mount? Hopefully available at newegg.com. Putting together a Linux
server
You forgot about being licensed to carry firearms, which may be the
scariest part!
Happy Birthday Mac.
BTW, what WISPA member is a bit taller, climbs up peoples' spines, talks
too much, writes maybe too provocatively, lost his hair (but it grew
back), won't reveal what ointment gets applied
Congrats John. Life moves ever too swiftly. BTW, you sensitive old
codger, the number I have programmed for you gives me a not in service
message. Please privately send me a new cell number.
Patrick
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Behalf Of John
You. :-p
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From: Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 11:33 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] TRIVIA QUESTION
You forgot about being
Try the SMCGS24C-SMART.
It is really inexpensive, will give you 10/100/1000 ports X 24, plus
has 4 pluggable fiber ports for expansion.
Granted I bought mine from distribution (Techdata) but I paid less than
$219.00 for my switch and it will do port mirroring and the whole nine
yardsand
Happy Birthday Friday Patrick! :)
Rick Harnish
President
OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc.
260-827-2482
Founding Member of WISPA
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Patrick Leary
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 12:33 PM
To: WISPA General
Does anyone reccommend a good switch that supports this and is rack
mount? Hopefully available at newegg.com. Putting together a Linux
server is easy but my luck a good switch might be backordered when I
need it.
Matt
Almost any standard Cisco (not linksys consumer junk) switch can do
P.S. I forgot to mention that the documentation and support for this
product really suck; however for the price one can afford to go it alone
with poor documentation and 8 x 5 M-F support hours. It is not that
complicated. The biggest issue I ran into with the unit was manually
setting the
Depends what you want it for.
If you are mirroring ports for CALEA, will this do the trick?
Ty Carter Lightwave Communications wrote:
P.S. I forgot to mention that the documentation and support for this
product really suck; however for the price one can afford to go it alone
with poor
Prior to CALEA, my plan for helping law enforcement consisted of the
following... Introducing them to my upstream (they'd already know them
anyway, because my netblocks belong to them) and having them use my
provider's nice, secure NOC for tapping into my upstream traffic via a
managed switch and
Congrats!
Here's to another 10 years! CLINK
Marlon
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Try the Zyxel ES-2008 series. It will do exactly what you need for a sub
$200 price tag.
-Eric
Matt wrote:
Does anyone reccommend a good switch that supports this and is rack
mount? Hopefully available at newegg.com. Putting together a Linux
server is easy but my luck a good switch might be
Chadd,
I would not let the sometimes intense nature of the certification
discussions put you off. This is an issue with financial, emotional, and
legal sides. WISP owner/operators are an intelligent bunch of
individuals who have strong personalities and a need to cut to the
chase in making
Far out, then...let's move on.
Mark Nash
UnwiredOnline.Net
350 Holly Street
Junction City, OR 97448
http://www.uwol.net
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From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 9:22 AM
Dawn - this is not a personal attack but I know that your previous WISP was
not certified compliant, neither is about 90% of the WISPs out there, so
what is the point of your post ?
JohnnyO
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From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List
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There is a lot of talk about CALEA.
Compliance is due May 14.
As I have written here
(http://radinfo.blogspot.com/2007/05/calea-compliance-plan.html)
there are 3 parts to compliance:
1) The Plan - the form to be filed by May 14
2) The ability to Intercept (hardware
I'll also make the one we are using available for $50 should someone
want it.
-Matt
Matt Liotta wrote:
Subject:
CALEA Compliance Plan
From:
Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date:
Tue, 1 May 2007 14:52:51 -0400
To:
[EMAIL
Johnny,
We used Breezecom and Proxim. Are you telling me that they were not
certified.
Regards,
Dawn DiPietro
JohnnyO wrote:
Dawn - this is not a personal attack but I know that your previous
WISP was not certified compliant, neither is about 90% of the WISPs
out there, so what is the
I have seen numerous posts on the WISPA list indicating that a cost
effective and compliant solution for this issue was being worked on and
would become available in the near future.
|| I think that is wishful thinking on some people's part. When you see
|| companies like Cisco struggle to
These are very nice switches (SMCGS24C-SMART), and probably solve the Calea
requirement.
But I hate the new trend of WEB Switch, they are designed for LANs not
Service Providers. They do away with Telnet access :-(
When sitting in front of a Linux console or a network under a DOS attack,
On Tue, 1 May 2007 11:28:08 -0500
Matt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Does anyone reccommend a good switch that supports this and is rack
mount?
how about:
http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-26-Port-10-100-Gigabit-Managed-Network-Switch-24_W0QQitemZ120113415108QQihZ002QQcategoryZ67336QQcmdZViewItem
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am about done!
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There is a distinction - The Community Wireless Summit is non-profit.
Maybe it's me, but the Community Wireless Summit seems to be as
non-profit as Part-15.org
CUWiN owns and runs the non-profit (or not-profitable?) Community
Wireless Summit
Summit home page: (www.wirelesssummit.org redirects
Now THAT's cool!
marlon
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Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 10:21 PM
Subject: [WISP] Nifty new tool for the cable ops
http://www.lindsaybroadbandinc.com/product.line/fleex/pdf/FreeSpaceOptics.pdf
Wise guy eh? Nyuk nyuk
My ankles are actually sexier than in that picture. I was recovering from a
broken Tibia :-)
(Pay back is tough Harnish!)
Mac
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Rick Harnish
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 9:54
Time gets to the best of us, old man.
Gets to me tomorrow too. Yuk yuk.
Matt Larsen
vistabeam.com
Mac Dearman wrote:
Wise guy eh? Nyuk nyuk
My ankles are actually sexier than in that picture. I was recovering from a
broken Tibia :-)
(Pay back is tough Harnish!)
Mac
Hi Ross,
To your point below, it was actually the FBI's (and other law
enforcement agencies(LEAs)) inability to do just what you describe that
precipitated expanding CALEA to facilitates based broadband and
interconnected VOIP providers.
To date, every time law enforcement has shown up at
Charles,
Maybe, but this is probably not the best place to discuss who is allowed
to post announcements. It might be better if you just email the WISPA
Board with your concerns and ask for clarification. As a vendor myself,
I would also appreciate additional clarification.
There has been a
I hereby declare that I am NOT a facilities based provider, since I do not
have any physical point on my network that can be tapped, mirrored, probed,
or otherwise possible to intercept. I have no equivalent to a switched
network.
There you have it.
We're putting my network your mouth is,
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