The Comcast deal has very little to do with traffic prioritization except
for the regulatory liability of ineptness. The Comcast deal, using Sandvine
gear, actually _actively_ disrupts the service by inserting spoofed packets
into the TCP stream, which is a far cry from the best effort philosophy
I completely disagree that the government should have anything to do
with our industry and that it is a given except in matters of
anti-trust, managing a scarce public resource (radio spectrum) or
safety. Anything else hands off. And that also applies to any other
industry.
I could
Another thought is
Why wouldn't Vuze have to pay Comcast for using the Comcast network to
support it's business plan.
If they are relying on Comcasts network to store and send files to it's
customer base, why should they be treated for a free ride instead of
using a hosting provider like
Clint Ricker wrote:
Traffic prioritization is MUCH different than blocking, rate limiting, or,
in the comcast case, actively disrupting service.
What if I want to sell various plans each with specific terms?
To simplify things, I could have a cheap deal, that gave a high
download rate and
On Nov 20, 2007 11:17 AM, George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Clint Ricker wrote:
Traffic prioritization is MUCH different than blocking, rate limiting,
or,
in the comcast case, actively disrupting service.
What if I want to sell various plans each with specific terms?
To simplify
George,
Comcast's customers are the ones paying for access to the Comcast
network. If a Comcast customer wants to use Vuze, he should be able to
because he is ALREADY PAYING FOR THE RIGHT TO USE THE NETWORK.
This idea of content providers being parasites on networks is a total
load of
Call Butch,
We set ALL ptp traffic to share a single 128k connection. :-)
laters,
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I have always thought that if you buy DEDICATED bandwidth you can do what
you want with it. If you buy a best effort service then you have to be
willing to share
marlon
Marlon
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I'll bet I have MORE competition per capita than you do
I compete against DSL, Cable, FTTH, and other WISPs in almost all of my
coverage zones. Sometimes all three are there!
The problem isn't all about the incoming bandwidth cost. There is also a
capacity/spectrum cost on the tower
You're right, Mike. Never. I understand that, and I guess my previous post
kind of eluded to me thinking that way.
The second part of your analogy is perfect for my point... The state charges
extra registration. They charge more for the frequency and the way they use
the road (heavier vehicles
Is WISPA or Part-15 posting follow up comments on this? Is anyone?
Don't most broadband Internet user agreements have a clause that says
something like no servers? Is bittorrent a server?
Matt
I looked in the mailing list but there seem at least not to been any
discussion about this. If
Agreed. Sharing is good.
But, best effort implies that, well, an effort is being made to deliver the
traffic, not we will actively try to stop insert disliked protocol of the
month :)
On Nov 20, 2007 12:38 PM, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
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I have always thought
By most every definition bittorrent is a server. Atleast the part of
bittorrent that has the most negative impact on networks. The problem
is mostly in customer education/perception. Most people don't know the
negative impact that running bittorrent can have on a network, and the
probably
Matt wrote:
Don't most broadband Internet user agreements have a clause that says
something like no servers? Is bittorrent a server?
If you want to get really technical, there is no such thing as a server.
:P
There are programs that listen to certain TCP and UDP ports, but that's
Right, so that's why you charge a commercial account more than a
residential. A car that drives 60 miles to work every day puts more wear
and tear on the road than the commercial truck that drives across town once
a week, but the state doesn't charge them any different.
-
Mike Hammett
What's Lingo/Slingbox/Netflix/Vonage/etc/etc/etc's cut every time you sign
up a customer who is getting Internet access to get to Lingo / Slingbox /
Netflix?
You are making money off of them--no one gets Internet access to get to
access to their ISPs portal and only their ISPs portal.
What you
Mark Nash wrote:
This is a good debate.
What you mention here, George, is something that's been on my mind for the
last year or so. As Lingo/Slingbox/Netflix/Vonage/etc/etc/etc make $$$ off
of our connections, where's our cut? The customer is paying for a
connection, yes, but at what point do
Not to pick nits, but you web browser is not listening on port X after
requesting a web page, it is waiting for a reply on a connection that it
established with the web server. In other words I placed the phone call
to the web server and it picked up the phone. The web browser is not
Buy an Allot Box.
Mike Bushard, Jr
Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC
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How does the Allot box handle the encrypted ptp traffic Mike?
Jeff
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Buy an Allot
I haven't specifically tested it, but they say that the Deep Packet
Inspection engine will mark and rate limit Encrypted Peer 2 Peer traffic. I
know my AC-802 does a very good job of marking and shaping traffic.
Mike Bushard, Jr
Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC
320-256-WISP (9477)
320-256-9478 Fax
It must be based on ports or something, or perhaps anything encrypted
that isn't related to tcp/443, udp/1 or other well known VPN/web
ports is what they deem peer to peer. I would be interested to find
out what they are doing. To my knowledge DPI on encrypted traffic tells
you that, well,
I'd be very interested in knowing how they do that. The point of encryption
is to mask the traffic, so layer 7 packet inspection should not be able to
tell what is there.
Jeff
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I believe the initial request is unencrypted, then the communication goes
encrypted. Don't ask me for details, but this is what I've heard.
Mark Nash
UnwiredOnline.Net
350 Holly Street
Junction City, OR 97448
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From:
http://www.allot.com/index.php?option=com_docmantask=doc_downloadgid=25
Here is the Protocol List.
They must be able to match some sort of signature.
Mike Bushard, Jr
Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC
320-256-WISP (9477)
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I buy these and keep them in the truck to deal with the out-of-the-ordinary
case where the customer does not have an ethernet port in their computer.
I used a Startech, which has been discontinued. It was about $8. Anyone
know of any others that are inexpensive and work well?
Thanks in
If that is true, it would work. If you could match the handshake, you could
track the connection form there.
Mike Bushard, Jr
Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC
320-256-WISP (9477)
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Looks like you have to have a password Mike,
Jeff
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Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 4:14 PM
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This sort of stuff uses a combination of ports, traffic heuristics
(different types of traffic will have different traffic patterns--ie
web browsing is intermittent, FTP may be sustained, p2p will have show
a lot of simultaneos connections all over, most of which timeout, etc)
and deep
The ones we use are about $14 or so thru DH.
Mark Nash wrote:
I buy these and keep them in the truck to deal with the out-of-the-ordinary
case where the customer does not have an ethernet port in their computer.
I used a Startech, which has been discontinued. It was about $8. Anyone
know of
Probably...dang sales people! :-)
I read over the brief, and I don't see any mention of encryption.
Jeff
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It's in the protocol list. I just read it before.
Mike Bushard, Jr
Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC
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Doh! I see it now.
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It's in the protocol list. I just read it before.
Mike
See, I'm Not always crazy.
Mike Bushard, Jr
Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC
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Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 3:43 PM
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Sounds like the old cell phone scares:
http://www.crunchgear.com/2007/11/20/wi-fi-causing-autism/
Jeff
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marlon
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Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 10:24 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vuze / Comcast / Peer to Peer / FCC
Right, so
Grin
It's not a perfect solution.
What we'll be looking at next is a device that will allow us to track who
the high users are in real time. Once they've passed a certain point, say
512k non stop for an hour, we'll start to slow them down more and more till
they are a dialup speeds. Then,
All,
Airspan has submitted for the lower band ( higher power ) and supposedly
been given the
thumbs up for their hipermax product and will be submitting for micromaxE
as well. Airspan
supports the full 5w output power on 10mhz and 10 watt output power on
20mhz, as well
as mimo. Currently
Mike
Standard 3.65Ghz OFDM does not work as well as 2.4Ghz OFDM but it's better
than 5Ghz OFDM. Right now we see 3.65Ghz as a great replacement for areas
that have issues with LOS 2.4Ghz and 5Ghz business level users as well as
PtP back haul links. This is simply because in most areas there is
That's pretty much what I thought it would be for, hence the 2 mile radius
indoor CPE just isn't going to fly.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
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An experimental license allows you to test systems, spectrum, or
techniques that otherwise aren't normally allowed.
I know of a number of service providers that used their 3650
experimental licenses for commercial service. As I understand it,
commercial operations aren't DISALLOWED by the Part 5
I think the way to go is to be able to identify the various types of
traffic and rate limit them.
And once we can do this, then it's time to pull out the menu of various
offerings we can provide.
Want a 3 meg x 3 meg burstable connection with a sustained traffic rate
of 1meg x 256k and
Hi,
First let me say that we cap p2p traffic during the business day, but
otherwise we let it run wide open. However, we sell our connections
based on speed. Whatever they pay for is what they get... none of this
burstable stuff, etc. If they want 512k, they pay for 512k. If they want
1meg,
I've never had much luck selling anything other than fast and really
fast connections. When it comes to residential anything more than 2 or
3 plans seems to overwhelm the average user. They want either as fast
as they can afford or they want something pretty cheap because all they
do is
If you look at most TOS or SAs you will see a maximum monthly cap on
traffic. I know that both Cox and Time Warner have it on cable. That
said I don't know of anyone personally that has been penalized for an
overage. I think the clause is there though so that they can take
measures if they
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