All the hard core routing and switching experts I know laugh when
someone suggests Cisco.
Cisco is like the WalMart of networking equipment. If you need
something, chances are that they have something there that will mostly
do what it is that you need. But if you need something for some
I think highly of Matt's advise when it comes to matters like this, so
Juniper it is! (I refuse to buy anything Cisco.)
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
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From: mlio...@r337.com
Sent: Friday, April 10,
All,
This post is for those looking at putting in high throughput unlicensed radios.
I can talk all day about the advantages of licensed (guarantee of 35-40db fade
margin for starters) but I want to throw out some real world numbers I am
seeing. Don't get me wrong, there is always a place
Hey Matt,
You're back? Or do you just need a break from changing diapers?
-Charles
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Ok, I'll bite. What UL radio set is going to produce 150Mbps FDX and at
what RF spectrum cost?
Brad
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Subject:
Forbes Mercy wrote:
What brand of AP's can a 900 MHZ EUM connect to?
Waverider EUMs will only connect to Waverider CCUs, as far as I know.
I'm reasonably certain the CCU (head-end) stuff is backwards-compatible,
so these 3000-series EUMs should be able to talk to the newer CCUs, but
Just the PTP600 that I think off ... 30 mhz
Gino A. Villarini
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Matt
Where could one subscribe to such a list? NaNog List
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150 is half duplex, so not this one. I should have specified that. Looking
back, to really get a true comparison you would have to look at the 300mbps
full which comes out to about 14k street. The licensed is FDX at 110mbps. So,
this actually makes the case stronger for the licensed radio.
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Gino...Google is your friend...grin
Brad
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Matt
Where could one subscribe to such
http://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog
Also join Cisco-NSP if you are interested in Cisco gear:
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On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 9:59 AM, Gino
From what I understand the PTP600 is an OFDM best effort radio. If the RF
environment is favorable then it will pass data. If not then it slows down
and/or starts dropping packets.
I believe the PTP600 is also a HDX radio, is it not? Not trying to be
adversarial...just interested in learning
Well, the ptp600 is mimo, so it has 2 radios...
You can hard set it to 1 to 1 or 2 to 1 or adaptive bandwitdh
allocation...
So in a 1 to 1 setup you gey almost true fdx operation..
Nice thing is that you can GPS sync multiple units for freq reuse
Gino A. Villarini
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Manual:
http://motorola.motowi4solutions.com/software/sw_downlink_public.php?id=20cc6c8c64aeea8fd064ea81e953dc25
Patrick Shoemaker
Vector Data Systems LLC
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Brad Belton wrote:
From what I understand the
IMHO the PTP600 is the best UL radio in the market...
Gino A. Villarini
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Sent:
Since it is Friday and I am bored
Here's some interesting points
11 GHz Licensed Radio
- 220 Mb (110 FD): -76 dBm
PTP600
- 300 Mb (150 FD): -59.1 dBm
- 200 Mb (100 FD): -68.1 dBm
12 Mile Shot - Availability for both systems using 2' dishes is 99.999% -- but
we may need
Jeff, I think you have made a fine point. I realized about a year ago
that with the cost of licensed links coming down, there wasn't a lot of
reason to look at the high-end UL radios anymore.When a StarOS or MT
setup will deliver 30-50meg of FD throughput at a very low cost, the
next
In our case, we have a 41 mile shot pushing 50 mbps fdx with a PTP600,
using 3 and 4 footers
For us to go licensed, we would need 6 ghz (rain zone) and would need at
least 8 footers on each end...
Huge diferrence!
Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel
Sure it would. 6ft dishes with space diversity. I sold a link to a company
in Nevada doing just that. been working fine for two years now. Dragonwave
of course J
You could always do 6GHz.
Daniel White
3-dB Networks
http://www.3dbnetworks.com
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
Travis, not everyone is in the middle of nowhere Idaho shooting from mountain
top to mountain top with very little noise over 1 75 mile hop :) I have a
feeling many people on this list would DIE for that kind of environment.
Now, I have to say there will always be a place for certain products
I do see Travis's point about the longer range shots, however. I've
got a 35, 45 and 65 mile shots with StarOS and they work just fine but
only put out about 18-25meg at those distances. That's enough for me,
but I can see where you would want more capacity and I suppose that
within that
Over the years, I've done a lot of work for Fortune 1000 companies.
One time, as an alternative to Cisco, I suggested another product and
was laughed out of the room. -RickG
On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 8:12 AM, mlio...@r337.com wrote:
All the hard core routing and switching experts I know laugh
Was it Netgear?
Josh Luthman
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On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 3:11 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:
Over the years, I've done
Isn't there an old saying that goes something like; whether it works or not,
nobody ever got fired for buying Cisco...
Brad
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mikrotik
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Mike,
If you can set your application up to be more switching than routing based you
could consider the new Arista switches. Very high 10 GbE port density with low
cost. You don't specify what kind of routing you are doing but if it is BGP
they have that in Beta now. I have no idea what the
That's definitely overlooked. We basically don't have a choice and CAN'T
install anymore backhauls in the 5.7-5.8 band at many of our tower sites
as the spectrum just isn't available. It's used for a mix of p2mp or ptp
links. And it's been that way for many years for us.
We have freed up some
Anyone with GigE connectionts that could share how much are you paying
for it?
Gino
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Which is why Moto/Ortho needs to look at lowering their price of PTP600, and
making it back on volume.
Trango Licensed Products are a PTP600 killer, 95% of the time.
I'd argue that the Tlink45 also is 95% of the time, based on their periodic
promo pricing.
There is no question that the PTP600
No but they can go broke :-)
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
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From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 3:16 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 10 GigE
Isn't there an
I agree... I would probably purchase a few of the PTP600 radio sets if
they were priced more in-line with current offerings of the licensed
products. :)
Travis
Microserv
Tom DeReggi wrote:
Which is why Moto/Ortho needs to look at lowering their price of PTP600, and
making it back on
That's a pretty open ended question.
Depends on location-location-location, commit level, term length, carrier
just to name a few items that can influence the price.
Cogent's website says they are the home of the $4 Megabit, but for some
reason 99.99% of the places I ask for that deal they
Cogent is no longer the cheapest, when you reach GigE levels. We'll be
dropping them soon.
Cogent is real big on only discounting for long terms, they are pushing the
3yr or 10gb, to get the attractive discounts.
Also note some carrier's Gig-E transport can have different tiers based on
how its
Actually, I was referring to more in the line with other Unlicensed
Products. :-)
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
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Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 6:10 PM
Subject: Re:
This has been an outstanding thread I have enjoyed reading - and learned a
bit in the process... thanks.
I'll just add that while we are trying to keep the numbers trained to a
common wisp - either you guys have a lucky horse shoe or achieving a
$5000/mo revenue on one ap is a bit outside
Assuming a 100 meg commit on a GigE port with a 1 year term at a major
carrier hotel between $8 and $21 per meg depending on the carrier and your
ratio. These days Cogent's pricing is no longer the market leader.
Hurricane seems to have taken that up with their $3 per meg for a full
GigE.
Hurricane Electric is down to $2/meg. Level 3 can be $7 at 1500 megs.
These are in carrier hotels.
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Mike Hammett
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From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009
Not seen anyone post this article but think it is of interest to people on
the list.
http://www.informationweek.com/news/services/data/showArticle.jhtml?articleI
D=216500302
http://www.informationweek.com/news/services/data/showArticle.jhtml?article
ID=216500302subSection=News subSection=News
No, it was Imagestream.
On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 3:16 PM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
Was it Netgear?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
Which begs an interesting point -- how much revenue / AP?
I would think $5k / month for a 20 MHz chunk of 5.8 spectrum, while a bit on
the higher side, isn't an unreasonable goal
Using Canopy...you have 14 Mb aggregate
Selling for $50 / month residential -- that's 100 customers sharing 14 Mb
Hi,
I think that's maybe a little high... we have a Canopy AP right now
with 100 users on it... about 10% business and 90% residential and
it's probably bringing in about $3,500 / month. We will probably load
it up to about 120 users total, at which point it will be around $4,000
/ month.
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