Re: [WISPA] Overheating UPS?

2010-07-28 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
It is getting ready to fail.I have had two APCs that got hot and failed soon after.One made for an awful stink in the NOC when it finally went. I thought the building was on fire. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com On 7/27/2010 7:39 PM, Forbes Mercy wrote: One of my UPS's at a house/tower

Re: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting

2010-07-28 Thread Jon Auer
You can also get a data card with a telemetry plan from a cell carrier and plug it into a Mikrotik. The setup fee can be pretty steep but once its set up the cost isn't super high so long as you aren't pushing a lot of data. Gets you out of band access to the tower network including any network

Re: [WISPA] Overheating UPS?

2010-07-28 Thread jp
I've had the 2u rackmount APCs eventually get hot and overcharge the battery. They'd be quite warm with little or no load, and the batteries would bulge. This is in 72f datacenter. They last much shorter in 95 degree heat in my opinion. When it happens, we pull them out of service and use a

Re: [WISPA] Overheating UPS?

2010-07-28 Thread Forbes Mercy
Honestly isn't this something the Underwriters Laboratory would be interested in since they certify these units? On 7/28/2010 8:44 AM, jp wrote: I've had the 2u rackmount APCs eventually get hot and overcharge the battery. They'd be quite warm with little or no load, and the batteries would

Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

2010-07-28 Thread Paul Gerstenberger
Our APs are generally on dedicated poles. We did work a deal with a neighbor PUD to mount some equipment on their primary poles, in which case we had to maintain proper clearances from the power and communication space. Mounts depend on the radio. Sometimes we just use a radio shack offset

[WISPA] Mikrotik User Meeting

2010-07-28 Thread Paul Gerstenberger
Has anyone attended the MUM's? What were your impressions? I'm thinking of going this year, curious what to expect. I've integrated mikrotik into our production network and so far it's working well, be nice to have a little official training though. -Paul

Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik User Meeting

2010-07-28 Thread Josh Luthman
MUM is not for training. MUM is similar to Animal Farm if you've been there. It's more of a trade show and has a few presentations on how some people use Mikrotik. If you want training I'd suggest Butch Evans' classes. I found the basic class to be very informative even knowing quite a bit of

[WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason to document and map your network coverage ever

2010-07-28 Thread Brian Webster
Steve Coran just posted the message below to the WISPA FCC committee list. I took particular note to the following statement: - would reduce or deny support to wireline incumbents in areas where at least 75% of households can receive voice and broadband from a competitive provider that does

Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

2010-07-28 Thread Mike
I use these: http://www.sitepro1.com/store/cart.php?m=product_listc=51 Look down the page for Taper Adjustable Chain Mount, single sectors, TCHM1-L. They come with plenty of chain and you cut off excess with bolt cutters. I fit a length of schedule 80 4 pipe to mount radios above the pole and

Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

2010-07-28 Thread Ryan Spott
Was this a WA state PUD? Do you have some pics of an install or 2? ryan On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 9:12 AM, Paul Gerstenberger pa...@hrec.coop wrote: Our APs are generally on dedicated poles. We did work a deal with a neighbor PUD to mount some equipment on their primary poles, in which case we

Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik User Meeting

2010-07-28 Thread Butch Evans
On Wed, 2010-07-28 at 09:24 -0700, Paul Gerstenberger wrote: Has anyone attended the MUM's? What were your impressions? I'm thinking of going this year, curious what to expect. I've integrated mikrotik into our production network and so far it's working well, be nice to have a little

Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik User Meeting

2010-07-28 Thread Paul Gerstenberger
I also wanted a plane ticket to Phoenix, hoping I could justify it. -Paul On Jul 28, 2010, at 9:31 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: MUM is not for training. MUM is similar to Animal Farm if you've been there. It's more of a trade show and has a few presentations on how some people use Mikrotik.

Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason todocument and map your network coverage ever

2010-07-28 Thread Patrick Leary
I agree Brian that this is potentially a huge positive for WISPs. People, if you have not declared yourself officially, you are shooting yourself in the foot (maybe the head). File your Form 477. Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile From:

Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason to document and map your network coverage ever

2010-07-28 Thread St. Louis Broadband
- would reduce or deny support to wireline incumbents in areas where at least 75% of households can receive voice and broadband from a competitive provider that does not receive support Ø Now the way I read the above statement is that if a WISP covers 75% of a current USF recipients service

Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason todocument and map your network coverage ever

2010-07-28 Thread Josh Luthman
The next deadline is September 1, keep in mind. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 12:51 PM, Patrick Leary ple...@apertonet.comwrote: I agree Brian that this is potentially a huge positive for WISPs. People,

Re: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting

2010-07-28 Thread Kristian Hoffmann
Thanks for making me think about it. Last night at 7:30 we had a tower go down. Cause...web power switch failed and shut off all the plugs. I guess we'll have to try the battery trick. -Kristian On Tue, 2010-07-27 at 19:36 -0700, Kristian Hoffmann wrote: We've had almost as many dispatches

Re: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting

2010-07-28 Thread Forbes Mercy
Most common mistake made with the Web Power Switch units is the default is to leave plugs off when losing power, we change those settings to restore to previous state on power loss, problem solved. Don't forget to save changes. Forbes On 7/28/2010 10:26 AM, Kristian Hoffmann wrote: Thanks

Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

2010-07-28 Thread Fred Goldstein
At 7/28/2010 12:37 PM, Mike Gilchrist wrote: I use these: http://www.sitepro1.com/store/cart.php?m=product_listc=51 Look down the page for Taper Adjustable Chain Mount, single sectors, TCHM1-L. They come with plenty of chain and you cut off excess with bolt cutters. I fit a length of schedule

Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

2010-07-28 Thread Scott Parsons
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Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason to document and map your network coverage ever

2010-07-28 Thread Fred Goldstein
At 7/28/2010 12:59 PM, you wrote: - would reduce or deny support to wireline incumbents in areas where at least 75% of households can receive voice and broadband from a competitive provider that does not receive support Ø Now the way I read the above statement is that if a WISP covers 75%

Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik User Meeting

2010-07-28 Thread Scott Reed
MUM is not for training, but MT is offering several courses the same week as MUM. I think at the same venue. I went to MUM Dallas last year. It is worth while. Though not for training, I did learn a lot. There were several presentations on new things and there were presentations on new ways

Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

2010-07-28 Thread Fred Goldstein
At 7/28/2010 02:46 PM, you wrote: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary==_NextPart_000_00FB_01CB2E52.D6C23980 Content-Language: en-us Not sure if this Wind Turbine is small enough or cheap enough for you but 12V 20A $490:

Re: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting

2010-07-28 Thread Kristian Hoffmann
Good point, but that's not the problem in our case. We also noticed that the ON sequence delay setting affects the cycle time as well. The default setting is often too fast and won't actually powercycle PoE powered MikroTik devices. We've found that changing that setting to 5-10 seconds works

Re: [WISPA] Lightening protection

2010-07-28 Thread Scott Lambert
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 07:59:25PM -0500, Philip Dorr wrote: Isn't that how towers are supposed to be grounded? Three ground rods one at each leg, 3+ feet away, hooked together in a loop and attached to each leg of the tower. When you have guy wires are't you supposed to do the same between

Re: [WISPA] Lightening protection

2010-07-28 Thread jp
Make sure the tower is grounded to the electrical system ground as well. Sort of like every house is grounded with a lightning rod, but uses the electrical system ground also. On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 09:18:04AM -0600, Mark Dueck wrote: I've been wanting to ask this question for a few days.

[WISPA] CPE Monitoring Survey

2010-07-28 Thread Jon Auer
I was thinking about CPE monitoring today and wondering if/how everyone is doing it. I've got a brief (8 easy questions) survey at http://bit.ly/cpesurvey If you can spare a minute or two to fill it out I'd be very grateful. Of course, the results will be shared in aggregate. Thanks!

[WISPA] Health Insurance

2010-07-28 Thread Rick Harnish
I am curious about all the small operators out there. What are you doing for Health Insurance? Do you have individual policies? Are you on your wife's policy? Is there a need for a WISPA Group Health Insurance Plan? I will be investigating this topic over the next few weeks. I will most

[WISPA] High Speed Bridge

2010-07-28 Thread Kosinet Wireless
Gentlemen, I need opinions... We have an opportunity to provide a short term / high speed link for an event - They need 20 Meg Internet speed. We've got the bandwidth, and locations scoped out, just curious as to experirnce with radios. Currently looking at using the LigoPTP 5-23 units. Any

Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge

2010-07-28 Thread Glenn Kelley
distance? On Jul 28, 2010, at 5:45 PM, Kosinet Wireless wrote: Gentlemen, I need opinions... We have an opportunity to provide a short term / high speed link for an event - They need 20 Meg Internet speed. We've got the bandwidth, and locations scoped out, just curious as to

Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge

2010-07-28 Thread Josh Luthman
What kind of distance? I assume you have LOS? I would go with Ubiquity probably. 150 megs aggregate for $200 is very convenient for building to building bridges. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 5:45 PM,

Re: [WISPA] Health Insurance

2010-07-28 Thread Mark Nash - Lists
We provide health insurance for employees. To keep absolute costs down, we go with a high deductible for our employees, though to offset the costs in the cast of anything major, we pay the first $1000 of the deductible on behalf of the employee. We have 5 employees. Owners have to pay for

Re: [WISPA] Health Insurance

2010-07-28 Thread Mark Nash - Lists
though something major could include a cast, I mean to say in the CASE of anything major ;) And owners pay for their own because we are an LLC. As I understand it, if you're a different type of entity such as a C-Corp, you are an employee therefore you can get health insurance paid just like

Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

2010-07-28 Thread Scott Parsons
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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik User Meeting

2010-07-28 Thread Justin Wilson
The MUM is one of those yoy get what you pay for. Genrally you get enough out of it to justify going. Butch is correct in the training. The heavy accents can be a problem. A buddy of mine took their training in Chicago and found it difficult to communicate his questions correctly so they

Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Health Insurance

2010-07-28 Thread David Weddell
I know that we are constantly battling pricing in health insurance. We would be interested in how we could participate in a WISPA group plan and with 60+ employees and families that we cover, you can imagine our monthly premium. I would assume that in an association plan, the more that

Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge

2010-07-28 Thread Jeremie Chism
Except for one bad one, the nanobridge works very well. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 28, 2010, at 4:49 PM, Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com wrote: distance? On Jul 28, 2010, at 5:45 PM, Kosinet Wireless wrote: Gentlemen, I need opinions... We have an opportunity to provide a short term /

Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason to document and map your network coverage ever

2010-07-28 Thread Cameron Crum
Also, Keep in mind that we offer free 477 data prep in a program on our web site. Go to www.wispmon.com and click on the FCC 477 Util.. You can even download a free desktop geocoder to pre-geocode your data (makes things go a little faster in the form prep). No proprietary info has to be given.

Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge

2010-07-28 Thread KosiNet Wireless
Sorry for not giving all the details. The long shot is about 6.5 miles - Good LOS - We'll also be doing two (less than) 1 miles shots to get it there - All good LOS. Probably going to end up using 6 Radios to get the job done. - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman

Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge

2010-07-28 Thread KosiNet Wireless
And the bad thing would be. -Gary- - Original Message - From: Jeremie Chism To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 7:32 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge Except for one bad one, the nanobridge works very well. Sent from my iPhone On

Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Health Insurance

2010-07-28 Thread Bret Clark
We went through an independent broker who essentially had created a small business group plan of area businesses that help keep cost down verses us going to the insurer ourselves. Another thing to consider is Health Savings Accounts (HSA) which are a lot less then regular health insurance but at

Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge

2010-07-28 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
6.5 miles long shot... I would do with either a Rocket M5 + Rocket Dish or a PowerBridge M5 (available in us next week or so). The smaller shots you could use NanoBridges M5 or even the NanoStation M5 or even the NanoStationLoco M... Ligowave units appear to be very nice, but hard to tell if the

Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge

2010-07-28 Thread Jeremie Chism
I had one end go bad. Replaced it and no problems. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 28, 2010, at 6:46 PM, KosiNet Wireless wirel...@kosinet.com wrote: And the bad thing would be. -Gary- - Original Message - *From:* Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com *To:* WISPA General List

[WISPA] Suggestions Request.

2010-07-28 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
Hello, I could use some suggestions / field experience... We need to setup wifi for a medium sized apartment complex. We need to deliver Wifi for about 8-12 apt. spread throughout the complex. (The apt complex is about the size of a city block). We have done a field test / proof of concept

Re: [WISPA] Suggestions Request.

2010-07-28 Thread Robert West
Pico all the way. Ubiquiti can do this with minimum budget. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 8:18 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Suggestions Request.

Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Health Insurance

2010-07-28 Thread Robert West
Health Insurance? Hey, George! (In Canada) What kind of budget to you have for health insurance? Me- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bret Clark Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 7:56 PM To: WISPA General List Cc:

Re: [WISPA] Suggestions Request.

2010-07-28 Thread Josh Luthman
If you can't do Ruckus then any Ubiquiti product should work (just be aware of antennas and PPS). Picos would probably be the best option. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 10:41 PM, Robert West

Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge

2010-07-28 Thread KosiNet Wireless
Thanks, I'll look at that option. Problem is - The Link must be up and running by early next week. No time to experiment... -Gary- - Original Message - From: Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 8:08 PM

Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge

2010-07-28 Thread Ryan Goldberg
Redline an80 On Jul 28, 2010, at 9:57 PM, KosiNet Wireless wirel...@kosinet.com wrote: Thanks, I'll look at that option. Problem is - The Link must be up and running by early next week. No time to experiment... -Gary- - Original Message - From: Faisal Imtiaz

Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge

2010-07-28 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
Especially if you are working with them for the first time a couple of hours in the office will save you a lot of time and grief in the field... (at least that is what we have seen in general ... crossing the t's and doting the i's with the radio in the office can take a few min, doing that in

Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge

2010-07-28 Thread KosiNet Wireless
Those look good, but outside of the budget for this deal.. -Gary- - Original Message - From: Ryan Goldberg rgoldb...@compudyne.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Cc: fai...@snappydsl.net; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 10:58 PM Subject:

Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge

2010-07-28 Thread KosiNet Wireless
Yep, been there done that Is anyone stocking the Ubiquiti Power Bridge Units? The M5 looks good. -Gary- - Original Message - From: Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 11:12 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Speed

Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason to document and map your network coverage ever

2010-07-28 Thread RickG
I'd like to but I dont know where to begin and with my limited time I cant even try to figure it out. On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 12:37 PM, Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com wrote: Steve Coran just posted the message below to the WISPA FCC committee list. I took particular note to the

Re: [WISPA] Health Insurance

2010-07-28 Thread RickG
Ever check into an HSA? It was the best thing we did when I was GM at a small CableCo. On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 5:57 PM, Mark Nash - Lists markl...@uwol.net wrote: We provide health insurance for employees.  To keep absolute costs down, we go with a high deductible for our employees, though to

Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge

2010-07-28 Thread Ryan Goldberg
I hear ya. Our unlicensed backhauls start as mikrotik, then move to redline, then to moto, based on revenue they support. Not much of a performance boost moving to the redlines, but they quite simply Work. On Jul 28, 2010, at 10:17 PM, KosiNet Wireless wirel...@kosinet.com wrote: Those

Re: [WISPA] Suggestions Request.

2010-07-28 Thread RickG
I do like my Picos. Wish they had an PicoM! On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 10:44 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: If you can't do Ruckus then any Ubiquiti product should work (just be aware of antennas and PPS).  Picos would probably be the best option. Josh Luthman Office:

Re: [WISPA] Health Insurance

2010-07-28 Thread Forbes Mercy
In Washington State the Association of Washington Businesses (Average White Band as I like to call them) have a statewide buy-in policy that's half of what I paid when I had my own Blue Cross plan, it went up 2 percent last year while my old one averaged 10-15 percent annual raise and

Re: [WISPA] Suggestions Request.

2010-07-28 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
according to Streakwave Website there is such a thing as PicoM 2HP... if it is available and shipping ... don't know... Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom On 7/28/2010 11:31 PM, RickG wrote: I do like my Picos. Wish they had an PicoM!

[WISPA] How is your grounding plan?

2010-07-28 Thread Robert West
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bvmEYxEYiA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bvmEYxEYiAfeature=topvideos feature=topvideos Crazy. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/

Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason todocument and map your network coverage ever

2010-07-28 Thread MDK
Great, they want to tax us now. Nothing like getting kicked in the head.Tax the little guy to subsidize the big one.What a wonderful plan. This is worse than NOTHING. + Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589

Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reasonto document and map your network coverage ever

2010-07-28 Thread MDK
How can this be good?IT IS A PER-CUSTOMER TAX ON OUR SERVICE AND GAURANTEED TO NEVER HELP SMALL PROVIDERS. Cripes, this is good? There's ONE good plan. USF go byebye. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589

Re: [WISPA] How is your grounding plan?

2010-07-28 Thread Josh Luthman
High speed cameras are definitely one of the best inventions of this century. Really cool looking but I wouldn't want to be anywhere near there, ever! On Jul 29, 2010 12:36 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bvmEYxEYiAfeature=topvideos Crazy.

Re: [WISPA] Suggestions Request.

2010-07-28 Thread RickG
Speaking of Ubiquiti - any news about 900MHz? On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 11:51 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net wrote: according to Streakwave Website there is such a thing as PicoM 2HP... if it is available and shipping ... don't know... Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet  Telecom On

Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason todocument and map your network coverage ever

2010-07-28 Thread RickG
It's coming, no stopping it. If anyone thought double taxation was bad, how about a triple play? I sure hope somebody comes to their senses in DC soon. Whats a small guy to do? On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 12:42 AM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: Great, they want to tax us now. Nothing like

Re: [WISPA] How is your grounding plan?

2010-07-28 Thread RickG
Looked like here last week! On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 12:35 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bvmEYxEYiAfeature=topvideos Crazy. WISPA Wants You! Join today!

Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge

2010-07-28 Thread Jerry Richardson
For this I would use two Rocket M5's with the 30dB Rocket dishes. Reason being is after the event is done, you will have a set of radios you can use in another part of the network for up to a 30 mile shot. Configure: One as AP WDS One as Station WDS. 10MHz channel Max Tx Rate Automatic AirMax

Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge

2010-07-28 Thread Jerry Richardson
Oh, and adjust output power to provide -65dB at each end. - Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 10:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Speed Bridge