Excuse me but is your signature big enough on this e-mail??
:-)
regarding this FCC thing...
Some how, some way this thing will bite us in the butt and reward the
big guys.
-B-
On 12/20/2010 8:05 PM, St. Louis Broadband wrote:
Yes it is!
*Victoria Proffer - President/CEO*
On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 10:01 PM, Charles N Wyble
char...@knownelement.com wrote:
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On 12/20/2010 04:56 PM, Jeromie Reeves wrote:
While I do agree with the idea that we need less regulation of (fixed)
wireless and a lower barrier to entry for
Nothing personal here...
I have yet to see some 'constructive' discussion from Mark about how to
influence the outcome of such regulations... I am not in favor of the
regulation... but ours would not be the first Independent Business to be
'Regulated' in some form or another.. (Food business
A bit after the fact, but thought I'd pass this article on that clearly quotes
the Hippocracy and Spin from Level3..
http://attpublicpolicy.com/
It's Not Really Louder Just Because it Goes to Eleven.
Posted by: Bob Quinn on December 2, 2010 at 11:40 am
When I read earlier this week that Level
I guess what I don't understand about this whole thing is how much
traffic one ISP is sending another. So, if you send me too much
traffic, you must pay. I think nearly every WISP on this list is
receiving more traffic than we are sending AND we are paying for it.
Why are they not paying us?
At 12/21/2010 09:51 AM, canopy wrote:
I guess what I don't understand about this whole thing is how much
traffic one ISP is sending another. So, if you send me too much
traffic, you must pay. I think nearly every WISP on this list is
receiving more traffic than we are sending AND we are paying
I need to run some ideas by a consultant who is versed in DSLAM
troubleshooting. Any recommendations of someone that is available today?
Thanks,
Justin
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We have a vdsl dslam. Literally just plug and play. I don't know if there
is a cli/gui interface.
Do you have something more elaborate?
On Dec 21, 2010 10:41 AM, Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net wrote:
I need to run some ideas by a consultant who is versed in DSLAM
troubleshooting. Any
Hi,
What type of assistance do you need? I have some experience with DSL
technology, and may be able to help.
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Blake Covarrubias
On Dec 21, 2010, at 8:40 AM, Justin Wilson wrote:
I need to run some ideas by a consultant who is versed in DSLAM
troubleshooting. Any recommendations of
Mark may state his case strongly, but he isn't wrong. Fred stated it better
than I could. Even though this particular set of regs may not be
particularly onerous.you've just invited the camel under the tent.
Regards,
Jeff
ImageStream Sales Manager
800-813-5123 x106
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From:
Watch live:
http://reboot.fcc.gov/live
On 12/20/2010 3:04 PM, Cliff LeBoeuf wrote:
I know everyone here monitors FOX... ;-)
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/12/20/fcc-vote-internet-regulation-plan-despite-economic-warnings/
Often the question from both businesses and residential customers
comes up about the future viability of wireless broadband. I am
curious on two levels. First, what is your personally opinion and
second, how do you communicate this to your customers when asked.
Any
Yes, I am in agreement the point I was trying to make was, channel
your energy into something productive that can make a difference..
venting it out on the list may make you feel better, but will not
accomplish anything else.
:)
Jeff, I am curious about the background on the 'camel'
Faisal, Nothing personal taken. I understand what you are saying but let me
rephrase my thoughts. Why is it that government has to get into every aspect
of our lives and business? Just because the big guys flex some muscle doesnt
meant we should be included in their regulations. And thats my
The whole problem was creating monopolies in the first place, and then
pretending you can fix what you broke by half-baked notions of government
created markets...
There is NOTHING broke about 'internet' because it hasn't been regulated.
Your issue is nothing but a complaint about the results
I'm sure you mean well, but I'm not even stirred up yet.
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From: Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net
Sent: Monday,
Bob, that's about the truest comments on the matter...
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From: Bob Moldashel
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 6:34 AM
To: li...@stlbroadband.com ; WISPA General List
The problem we have here, Faisal, is not about constructive criticism. I am
not arguing the value of policy X vs policy Y, but frustrated that the vast
majority of US, who have the most to lose, speak of these things in terms of
such inevitability, as if losing the battle against overreaching
At 12/21/2010 01:57 PM, MDK wrote:
The whole problem was creating monopolies in the first place, and then
pretending you can fix what you broke by half-baked notions of government
created markets...
Uh, no. Wireline is a natural monopoly. That is NOT what it has
sometimes been taken to mean,
I wholeheartedly disagree with your premise.
From that point on, we have little to debate about.
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From: Fred Goldstein
Very nice explanation, thanks Fred.
Victoria Proffer - President/CEO
www.ShowMeBroadband.com
www.StLouisBroadband.com
314-974-5600
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Fred Goldstein
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 1:43
http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/index.do?document=303746
Respectfully,
Rick Harnish
Executive Director
WISPA
260-307-4000 cell
866-317-2851 WISPA Office
Skype: rick.harnish.
rharn...@wispa.org
What you now written is rational and worthy of discussion. I am by no
means an expert at policy or legislation / regulation.. however was
thrown into this heap because we built a what can be called a successful
DSL ISP business after 2000. and in 2005 we saw the rug pulled out
from under
It is tough to have a meaningful discussion when you make comments as
such ..
You don't have to agree with Fred, but if you listen to him with and
open mind, at worst you will end up learning about a whole series of
events that got us this point...
And it is not due to some individual who
On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 14:21, Rick Harnish rharn...@wispa.org wrote:
http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/index.do?document=303746
Any analysis yet on whether WISPA got part of what it was asking for? I've
skimmed those notes, and aside from one brief mention by Commissioner
McDowell I
Genachowski:
Fourth, the rules recognize that broadband providers need meaningful
flexibility to manage their networks to deal with congestion, security, and
other issues. And we also recognize the importance and value of
business-model experimentation, such as tiered pricing.
These are
Excerpts from FCC Acts
http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/index.do?document=303745 to
Preserve Internet Freedom and Openness
Rule 1: Transparency
A person engaged in the provision of broadband Internet access service shall
publicly disclose accurate information regarding the network
So, I disagree with his premise, and his argument about the premise, that
wired telephony is a natural monopoly, and I'm not allowed to say so?
What, who speaks first is now the authority and cannot be questioned?
All of what he said is based upon the natural monopoly premise, and since
we
I think you mis-reading what Fred Wrote...
Wireline (wires in the ground) are a natural monopoly...
Wireline does not automatically equal = Wired Telephony..
As Yoda Said... Difficult it is to see where going we are, if we
understand not how we got here
Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet
Faisal -- YODA? hehe
On 12/21/10 3:16 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net wrote:
I think you mis-reading what Fred Wrote...
Wireline (wires in the ground) are a natural monopoly...
Wireline does not automatically equal = Wired Telephony..
As Yoda Said... Difficult it is to see
On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 15:08, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote:
So, I disagree with his premise, and his argument about the premise, that
wired telephony is a natural monopoly, and I'm not allowed to say so?
If you claim telephony isn't a natural monopoly, by the definition of that
I am with him!
Blair Davis
West Michigan Wireless ISP
On 12/21/2010 2:50 PM, MDK wrote:
The problem we have here, Faisal, is not
about "constructive" criticism. I am not arguing the value
of policy X vs policy Y, but
At 12/21/2010 03:50 PM, RickH wrote:
Genachowski:
Fourth, the rules recognize that broadband providers need
meaningful flexibility to manage their networks to deal with
congestion, security, and other issues. And we also recognize the
importance and value of business-model experimentation,
At 12/21/2010 04:16 PM, FaisalI wrote:
I think you mis-reading what Fred Wrote...
Wireline (wires in the ground) are a natural monopoly...
Wireline does not automatically equal = Wired Telephony..
That's correct. I was referring to the medium of wire
lines. Telephony is one application of
Fred gave his reasons, which if I were to answer to, I'd have to quote him, but
the gist of what he said, was that the NEXT operator to come along would have
to pay MORE to compete than the original.
That's about as flawed a premise for technological matters as it is possible to
have.
On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 11:43 AM, Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com wrote:
At 12/21/2010 01:57 PM, MDK wrote:
The whole problem was creating monopolies in the first place, and then
pretending you can fix what you broke by half-baked notions of government
created markets...
Uh, no. Wireline
Start regulating it and all hell (that is, the place where all the
lawyers are) breaks loose.
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+1 617 795 2701
And when the free market peering / upstream solutions are replaced
Jeromie, my socialist (or was that anarchist, I can't ever remember) friend,
how are ya? I was thinking about making a run to a wrecking yard up that
way and stopping by to see how things were going.
Anyway, each time I read this solution it reminds me why it won't work.
Let's say I move to
At 12/21/2010 05:14 PM, MDK wrote:
Fred gave his reasons, which if I were to answer to, I'd have to
quote him, but the gist of what he said, was that the NEXT operator
to come along would have to pay MORE to compete than the original.
Yes, to reach the first customer, as well as on a
Fred,
You've been advocating splitting the ILECs between their delivery and
service models.basically making the delivery (last mile/middle mile) into
common carriers and having the service business stand on it's own, for as
long as I've been reading your posts (close to 10 years). You haven't
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From: Fred Goldstein
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 2:41 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Flexible rules promised for wireless
At 12/21/2010 05:14
On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 2:30 PM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote:
Jeromie, my socialist (or was that anarchist, I can't ever remember) friend,
how are ya?
Hey buddy, I have a lake with your name on it.
I was thinking about making a run to a wrecking yard up that
way and stopping by to
Fixing previous email that sent... prematurely
On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 2:30 PM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote:
Jeromie, my socialist (or was that anarchist, I can't ever remember) friend,
how are ya? I was thinking about making a run to a wrecking yard up that
way and stopping by to see
At 12/21/2010 05:58 PM, Jeff wrote:
Fred,
You've been advocating splitting the ILECs between their delivery
and service models
basically making the delivery (last mile/middle
mile) into common carriers and having the service business stand on
it's own, for as long as I've been reading your
The first step to breaking the net was form 477.
On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 1:57 PM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote:
The whole problem was creating monopolies in the first place, and then
pretending you can fix what you broke by half-baked notions of government
created markets...
There is
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