Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

2011-04-05 Thread Charles Wu
It's generally known that the 20 Mb burst given by cable companies is throttled to sustained download speeds in the 1-3 Mb range That said, the point I'm trying to make is that the technology has come so far for mobile cellular data that we are now unconsciously comparing it side-by-side to

Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

2011-04-05 Thread St. Louis Broadband
Yes, I have to agree that mobile has come a long way, since I was carrying that big bag phone around. That has to be a lot of power on the ap side. ~V~ -Original Message- From: Charles Wu [mailto:c...@cticonnect.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 6:37 AM To: li...@stlbroadband.com;

Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

2011-04-05 Thread Bret Clark
On 04/05/2011 07:37 AM, Charles Wu wrote: It's generally known that the 20 Mb burst given by cable companies is throttled to sustained download speeds in the 1-3 Mb range That said, the point I'm trying to make is that the technology has come so far for mobile cellular data that we are now

Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

2011-04-05 Thread Brian Webster
I have always said the cellular carriers have the over the air interface to deliver good speeds for the most part. It's their backhaul network that needs work and they are slowly and steadily upgrading that. While most are bashing them, they eventually will have upgraded the sites to remain

Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

2011-04-05 Thread Travis Johnson
The other question is how much do you pay for the service? It all comes down to price. I can deliver 10Mbps x 10Mbps up to 300Mbps x 300Mbps to anyone that wants it... however, most people don't want to pay for it... ;) Travis Microserv On 4/5/2011 5:37 AM, Charles Wu wrote: It's generally

Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

2011-04-05 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
+1 very well said.. to the point !... Innovate / Upgrade to keep up with the demand or become obsolete and irrelevant. ! --- The WISP's themselves will need to keep business plans that take advantage of emerging technologies and

Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

2011-04-05 Thread can...@believewireless.net
I just activated my Samsung LTE MiFi router and am getting 6-10 Mbps down and 5 Mbps up at the office. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/

Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

2011-04-05 Thread Jim Patient
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:33 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update I just checked my Charter via Ookla and it said I was getting 20 Mbps

Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

2011-04-05 Thread Jim Patient
Hi Tori, The Charter service sounds horrible down there. Send me your GPS cords and I'll check to see if we can get you a wireless link from our Bonne Terre tower;-) Jim From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband Sent: Monday,

Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

2011-04-05 Thread Cameron Crum
It's actually NOT a lot of power on the AP side. It is the technology and the air interface. Most CDMA technologies have very low threshold to make a good link. I remember designing these networks and seeing great performance with signals as low as -107dBm. In fact the whole goal with CDMA based

Re: [WISPA] OpenSource Email Server platform

2011-04-05 Thread Shaun Hoggan
Blair, I can help you with any Gmail questions you have. Give me a call anytime. Shaun Hoggan s...@ikano.commailto:s...@ikano.com 801-415-8113 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blair Davis Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 9:15 PM To: WISPA

Re: [WISPA] OpenSource Email Server platform

2011-04-05 Thread Josh
On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 3:53 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com wrote: Since we began in '98 we've been using the same windows based email server MailMax.  Because of some support/productivity issues we are investigating integrating a new box.  The requirements are: webmail,

[WISPA] PING

2011-04-05 Thread Chuck Profito
just checking WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:

Re: [WISPA] PING

2011-04-05 Thread Josh Luthman
response in 385 ms. I'm on Verizon. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 4:23 PM, Chuck Profito cprof...@cv-access.comwrote: just checking

Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

2011-04-05 Thread Tom DeReggi
Exactly why we need 1) Less spectrum to go to auctions, and more spectrum to go to unlicenced. 2) High power allowed in spectrum bands. 3) Manufacturters to raise their standard, to take advantage of latest radio and antenna technologies. Let me give you an example of what I mean..

Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

2011-04-05 Thread Tom DeReggi
yes +1, but WISPs can only upgrade if there is a product to upgrade to. No one wants to upgrade without accomplishing enough compensation or gain to match the effort and cost. The industry has done a very good job at getting the price down on typical style WISP gear. But I'm not confident that

Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

2011-04-05 Thread Jeremie Chism
I know Axxcelera is planning LTE equipment in the 3.65 ghz band this year. It is cost effective to deploy to businesses in an Internet/VoIP setup but will not make it to the residential market at anything that will make money because the cpe's run in the 300.00 range. Sent from my iPhone On

[WISPA] Colo DNS

2011-04-05 Thread Jason Hensley
I know this is a bit OT, but. I'm looking for options for DNS redundancy. In a nutshell, we have two datacenters in two different cities. We need to have some redundancy for our publicly accessible servers. We do NOT want to do round-robin DNS, and auto-failover options are either not

Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

2011-04-05 Thread Tom DeReggi
I dont care what the CPE costs, I care about what the AP costs. The big dollar APs can be a big deterent to grow organically. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List

Re: [WISPA] Colo DNS

2011-04-05 Thread Rubens Kuhl
I’m looking for options for DNS redundancy.  In a nutshell, we have two datacenters in two different cities.  We need to have some redundancy for our publicly accessible servers.  We do NOT want to do round-robin DNS,  and auto-failover options are either not available or too costly at this

Re: [WISPA] Colo DNS

2011-04-05 Thread Dylan Bouterse
Rackspace has a pretty good deal and flexible for their cloud 'nix stuff. Not sure about Windows. Dylan From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Hensley Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 5:01 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Colo DNS

Re: [WISPA] Colo DNS

2011-04-05 Thread Blake Covarrubias
Are you looking for redundancy in DNS resolvers, or authoritative servers? -- Blake Covarrubias On Apr 5, 2011, at 2:00 PM, Jason Hensley wrote: I know this is a bit OT, but… I’m looking for options for DNS redundancy. In a nutshell, we have two datacenters in two different cities. We

Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

2011-04-05 Thread Jeremie Chism
In the 2500.00 range. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 5, 2011, at 4:27 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: I dont care what the CPE costs, I care about what the AP costs. The big dollar APs can be a big deterent to grow organically. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc

Re: [WISPA] Colo DNS

2011-04-05 Thread Jeremy Parr
On 5 April 2011 17:00, Jason Hensley ja...@hensleycrew.com wrote: I know this is a bit OT, but… I’m looking for options for DNS redundancy. In a nutshell, we have two datacenters in two different cities. We need to have some redundancy for our publicly accessible servers. We do NOT want

Re: [WISPA] Colo DNS

2011-04-05 Thread Jason Hensley
Thanks all. Reliability is a MUST. Have talked to Rackspace - so far they seem to have the best deal. Very reasonable for a Windows based Virtual server From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremy Parr Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 4:40 PM To:

Re: [WISPA] Colo DNS

2011-04-05 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
.. Hmmm... Quick question... Have you considered taking up DNS hosting from the different Registrars ? Say ... TuCows ? you will have a full control panel access... and you can modify your records... plus no worries about redundancy etc. etc. ? If for other reasons you are looking for

Re: [WISPA] Colo DNS

2011-04-05 Thread Matt
I’m looking for options for DNS redundancy.  In a nutshell, we have two datacenters in two different cities.  We need to have some redundancy for our publicly accessible servers.  We do NOT want to do round-robin DNS,  and auto-failover options are either not available or too costly at this

Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

2011-04-05 Thread Matt
I know Axxcelera is planning LTE equipment in the 3.65 ghz band this year. It is cost effective to deploy to businesses in an Internet/VoIP setup but will not make it to the residential market at anything that will make money because the cpe's run in the 300.00 range. So how much

Re: [WISPA] Colo DNS

2011-04-05 Thread Jeromie Reeves
DNSPark Pretty inexpensive and I have never had a issue with them. On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 2:00 PM, Jason Hensley ja...@hensleycrew.com wrote: I know this is a bit OT, but… I’m looking for options for DNS redundancy.  In a nutshell, we have two datacenters in two different cities.  We need

Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

2011-04-05 Thread Jeremie Chism
I am looking for my email that had numbers but from what i remember (don't hold me to it) was 100 Meg. I will find the email to make sure. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 5, 2011, at 5:31 PM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com wrote: I know Axxcelera is planning LTE equipment in the 3.65 ghz band this year.

Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

2011-04-05 Thread Gino Villarini
More importantly what axccelera expects to gain from doing lte? They are already doing wimax Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Apr 5, 2011, at 6:33 PM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com wrote: I know Axxcelera is planning LTE equipment in the 3.65 ghz band this year. It is cost effective to deploy

Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

2011-04-05 Thread Jeremie Chism
Higher throughput from what I understand. I have their wimax deployed now. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 5, 2011, at 6:07 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: More importantly what axccelera expects to gain from doing lte? They are already doing wimax Sent from my Motorola

Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

2011-04-05 Thread Bret Clark
LTE is 5 bits per hertz (ideal conditions), so on a 20MHz channel that would be 100Mbps. WiMax (fixed) is 3.5 bits per hertz. On 04/05/2011 07:13 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote: Higher throughput from what I understand. I have their wimax deployed now. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 5, 2011, at 6:07

Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

2011-04-05 Thread Jeremie Chism
And most wimax is 3.5 or 7mhz channel unless you are talking the mobile wimax which has 10. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 5, 2011, at 6:20 PM, Bret Clark bcl...@spectraaccess.com wrote: LTE is 5 bits per hertz (ideal conditions), so on a 20MHz channel that would be 100Mbps. WiMax (fixed) is

Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

2011-04-05 Thread Gino Villarini
That's air rate, actual throughput its about 60%... LTE Latency? IIRC it was in the 100 ms? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bret Clark

Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

2011-04-05 Thread Blake Covarrubias
On Apr 5, 2011, at 4:37 PM, Gino Villarini wrote: That's air rate, actual throughput its about 60%... LTE Latency? IIRC it was in the 100 ms? I can't comment on LTE, but we're doing a trial of mobile WiMAX and seeing about 50-60ms back to the ASN gateway. -- Blake Covarrubias

Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

2011-04-05 Thread Jeremie Chism
Depending on your cp ratio that will determine latency (atleast on mine). Lower cp ratio gives lower latency numbers. We typically see 20ms. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 5, 2011, at 7:53 PM, Blake Covarrubias bl...@beamspeed.com wrote: On Apr 5, 2011, at 4:37 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:

Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

2011-04-05 Thread Gino Villarini
Wimax or LTE? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremie Chism Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 8:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re:

Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

2011-04-05 Thread Blake Covarrubias
Jeremie was talking about fixed WiMAX (802.16d). We see similar latencies on our fixed WiMAX systems. -- Blake Covarrubias On Apr 5, 2011, at 5:59 PM, Gino Villarini wrote: Wimax or LTE? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original

Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

2011-04-05 Thread Jeremie Chism
Wimax. Not mobile. Mobile has higher latency times. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 5, 2011, at 7:59 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Wimax or LTE? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From:

Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

2011-04-05 Thread Gino Villarini
Yes, wimax latencies on d and e systems are documented, im talking about LTE latency Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremie Chism Sent:

Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

2011-04-05 Thread Charles Wu
The Ericsson APs that Verizon uses cost ~$50k / tower plus antennas and cable -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 4:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA]

Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

2011-04-05 Thread Charles Wu
LTE latency is about 60-100 ms -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 8:13 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update Yes, wimax latencies on d

Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

2011-04-05 Thread Jeremie Chism
I would expect LTE latency to be close to wimax because of scheduling. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 5, 2011, at 8:22 PM, Charles Wu c...@cticonnect.com wrote: LTE latency is about 60-100 ms -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On

Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

2011-04-05 Thread Gino Villarini
There is no fixed lte protocol.. Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremie Chism Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 9:24 PM To: WISPA General

Re: [WISPA] PING

2011-04-05 Thread RickG
Better than being on meth ;) On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 4:24 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: response in 385 ms. I'm on Verizon. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 4:23 PM, Chuck

Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

2011-04-05 Thread RickG
+100%! I've upgraded my network to the point that I cant anymore but 90% of the customers are fine with 1.5 or 3Mbps! On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 9:27 AM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: The other question is how much do you pay for the service? It all comes down to price. I can deliver 10Mbps

Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

2011-04-05 Thread Jerry Richardson
For now. I doubt that you will be able to sustain that 90% with 1.5 or 3.0 indefinitely. I know we won't. - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 9:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon

Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

2011-04-05 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
You can always upgrade More! The key central question is ... how to 'Capitalize' on it and make some Money. There are always two ways the Market move .. Either PUSH (try to sell your excess capacity on the network , making it attractive , lower the selling price, while increasing

Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

2011-04-05 Thread RickG
Thats what I thought which is why I spent so much time and money on upgrading. I've got 30-50 megs at nearly every tower and I started offering 10Mbps posted rates. I even lowered the upgrade prices above 3Mbps. Very few care and even fewer take it. In fact, I have some that ask if we have a

Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

2011-04-05 Thread RickG
We dont have lines forming but we get as many customers are I want/need. Sure, I could get lots more if I wanted but it's just more to worry about. As far as Telco's, my ATT contacts says High Cap sales are virtually nill around here. My Time Warner Rep says the same. On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 12:19