Agreed, Brett.
I see people use business Cable all the time, UNTIL they have an outage, and
then they loose all their customers feeding off it after that.
If there is one Thing the Cable Cos understand it is you didn't buy a service
with an SLA because we dont offer one, so we can care less if
I'm not sure that I agree that wireless has higher uptime than fiber.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
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From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 7:40 AM
To: WISPA
I'm not sure I agree either, but wireless obviously can't be cut. With that
though, our fiber hasn't been out more than twice in 5 years.
-- Original Message --
From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Tom,
When you make the claim that wireless has more uptime than fiber, where
do
you base those facts from and what types of fiber deployments are you
comparing it to? While I believe wireless is a great thing, one has to
wonder why a company who's name was MCI (Microwave Communications
Our backbone fiber has been down 2-3 times over 3 years. One time was
so that they could upgrade the Fiber Switches, and the other times we
were only down a minute or two.
Regards,
Chuck Hogg
Shelby Broadband
502-722-9292
ch...@shelbybb.com
http://www.shelbybb.com
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I would agree in a heartbeat...we've actually won customers because of
outages with DS3's and T1's that were run on fiber. When the
historical ice storm came through New England just over a year ago, we
had 100% uptime with our infrastructure while Fairpoint and Comcast was
down all over the
Brian Webster wrote:
Fiber deployments have been commonplace between
telephone switches for years now and I have never heard about reliability
issues and/or downtime problems with the fiber. Not that they don't happen
but when you average their uptime to their outages, I would think they have
Exactly. The terms wireless and fiber are too broad to make any
valid reliability comparison without more specifics.
Comparing a licensed point to point microwave system with redundant
paths, spatial diversity, standby power, and a tower structure rated to
150 MPH to an aerial fiber strand
Agreed, Patrick.
As a business only provider many of our customers that bring in a
10-50-100Mbps or higher microwave connection in from us are doing so to
complement their existing fiber connection(s).
As time progresses some of those customers end up favoring our microwave
connection over
Let me clarify.
I'm referring to Metro-E deployment.
I'm not refering to the physical medium glass filled wire, which of course
has a huge long reliable life.
Metro-E typically runs from commercial building to commercial building. Each
Hop is a potential failure point.
Metro-E tends to be a
The thing is there are cases or palces where Wireless cant be made reliable
for a specific situations that limit that location. People will remember
those rare cases and associate them with Wireless in general,
without understanding that taht is a different situation and not the norm.
People
Fiber doesn't suffer from interference or have a low number of frequencies
you can use at one location.
Richey
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Stuart Pierce
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 9:16 AM
To: WISPA General
I am planning to have access to fiber throughout an area that's probably 3x
to 4x my current coverage area. I'll build my network around that fiber.
However, I will retain wireless PtP links for redundancy. That cuts down on
the need to consume valuable spectrum for primary backhaul links.
Time Warner does offer an SLA on their Business Class. It's worked in our
favor the three time its gone down in the 6 months that its been installed!
Considering that, our wireless has been running five 9s to our business
customers who chose us over the wired connections options. -RickG
On Mon,
This topic got quite a bit off from Marlon's original post, but getting back
to that, what I've done more than once with the local cable company is what
I guess would fit in the category of social engineering, that is I imitate
what I've heard their techs say when they get stumped and call in to
I have a tower down. It's fed by a *business* grade DSL link.
Can't get to the main router at that local.
So I log onto the Century Tel (century link nowadays) web site go find a
phone number for tech support.
IF there is a phone number on their Microsoft Bing cloan of a web site, I
couldn't
I take it you never took our advice to have the guts in a NEMA box
outside? If you did you can at least get it working yourself...
On 1/10/10, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote:
I have a tower down. It's fed by a *business* grade DSL link.
Can't get to the main router at that
I found out about so-called business DSL a few years ago. We had it here
(Qwest), and every three to four weeks it would go belly-up. The fix was
that, after a day or two of dead air, Qwest would send out a tech to
power-cycle the ancient and creaky Nortel neighborhood dslam. This went on
for
Blah...I wouldn't rely on any telco or cable company to serve our
towers. We are completely wireless between towers, even our upstream
Internet links are wireless running to local Internet exchange points.
That way if there is a problem we are responsible for it and we can fix
it without
So lie to them, and tell them you're standing there and the DSL light is
blinking. Or whatever they want to hear.
That person is probably a $10/hr individual paid to follow a flow chart, and
doesn't know what to do if your answers don't fall in-line with that chart.
I've done this many times.
When it's a DSL or cable connection I typically say I rebooted the
modem and my PC is plugged into it.
On 1/10/10, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote:
So lie to them, and tell them you're standing there and the DSL light is
blinking. Or whatever they want to hear.
That person is
We're rural enough that no utility pole is within 10 degrees of vertical.
Both TWC cable and ATT wires swing on those poles and whistle in the
wind.
I have the cheapest DSL on the cheapest wireline just as a backup
(auto-failover on an old Nortel router) to RoadRunner.
I complained to ATT for 8
I have a key to the house.
It's just 1.5 hours away.
The point of the whole story is crappy, ignorant support levels.
marlon
- Original Message -
From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 1:47 PM
At least you have it figured out. You could be stuck with the customer
unplugging your equipment leaving you no access while they go on a 2 weeks
vacation...
I think no one here could possibly disagree with you, though. The people on
the other end of those phone calls cause brain damage.
Josh
A reboot of all hardware at the site fixed the problem. I'm guessing that a
power outage (as reported by the customers) caused something to go haywire.
Looks like I have to install another auto reboot device.
Normally these folks are home. This is the first year they've flown south.
marlon
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