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From: Kurt Fankhauser [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 7:12 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Broadband
I agree mosth customers havn't hit 1GB transfer for this year. But what
about the customer that downloaded 25GB last week
: Thursday, May 01, 2008 1:17 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Broadband
Bryan,
In most part, I agree with your reasoning. For legitamate things, such as
WOW's maker's (used to be Blizzard I think) updates, their is nothing
stopping them from offering their updates via ftp
It seems to me that in the ensuing discussion of this, there are several
models
proposed that do not take into account any costs other than bandwidth cost.
I would think that one should calculate what it costs to aquire and
maintain a
customer, including office/support/billing/equipment etc...
Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 8:34 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Broadband
Still is Blizzard.
You're talking about a no win situation and then say you'll go to
farming?
hah!
--
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
Our average user does under 2 gigs per month.
Only 10% or so ever go over that.
marlon
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From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 6:23 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Metered Broadband
So what types of rates would
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To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 7:12 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Broadband
I agree mosth customers havn't hit 1GB transfer for this year. But what
about the customer that downloaded 25GB last week? I have a few of those.
Kurt
. grin
laters
marlon
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From: Scottie Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 9:10 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Broadband
I am not sure what the costs should or will be? But...I will say that is
where I
should buy a t-1 from the telco!
Never heard from him again. grin
laters
marlon
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From: Scottie Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 9:10 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Broadband
I am
I think that's the catch phrase... open meaning, not blocked. So don't
block p2p or any other traffic, just throttle it down... WAY down...
I gave a talk about doing this with Linux + HTB a couple of years ago.
I had our head-end traffic shaper doing classful queuing, giving each
type of
: [WISPA] Metered Broadband
Funny, we have people and companies ask us for this type of setup quite
often. Rather than running them off, we price it accordingly and build
our network to support them even if that is a dedicated link to their
premise. I would much rather take their 300-500
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From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 9:04 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Broadband
Yeah, me too. But this guy is an unemployed gamer. Guess what he's
really
gonna do? Stay with the DSL cause it's cheaper
Half my customers have pulled less than 1G since April 16 or so when I
started tracking it. I'll be optimistic and think they would all do 1G
per month. I don't think I am going to drop a $33 per month customer
down to $2 per month.
I might consider $30 base and $2/G over X/Gig, but I haven't
Hi,
Although it's a great thought, I don't think "metered" broadband will
ever catch on in the US. Even the cell phone companies are moving to an
"unlimited voice/data/SMS package for only $99" service pricing. My
power company will do a "level-pay" program on my power after being
activated
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Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 9:45 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Broadband
Hi,
Although it's a great thought, I don't think metered broadband will ever
catch on in the US. Even the cell phone companies are moving to an
unlimited voice
www.wavelinc.com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 9:45 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Broadband
Hi,
Although it's a great thought, I don't think metered broadband
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To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 9:12 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Broadband
I agree mosth customers havn't hit 1GB transfer for this year. But what
about the customer that downloaded 25GB last week? I have a few of those.
Kurt
Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 9:45 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Broadband
Hi,
Although it's a great thought, I don't think metered broadband will ever
catch on in the US. Even the cell phone companies are moving to an
unlimited voice/data/SMS package
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From: Travis Johnson
To: WISPA General List
Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 8:44 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Broadband
Hi,
Although it's a great thought, I don't think metered broadband will ever
catch on in the US. Even the cell phone companies are moving
http://www.ics-il.com
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From: Travis Johnson
To: WISPA General List
Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 8:44 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Broadband
Hi,
Although it's a great thought, I don't think metered broadband will ever
catch on in the US. Even
I am not sure what the costs should or will be? But...I will say that is where
I think broadband will be headed, for sure, if the FCC keeps going the way they
are headed(since the Comcast deal) with the completely open concept, such as
no bandwidth shaping of any sort.
Even the BIG players
30, 2008 8:44 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Broadband
Hi,
Although it's a great thought, I don't think metered broadband will ever
catch on in the US. Even the cell phone companies are moving to an unlimited
voice/data/SMS package for only $99 service pricing. My power company
I think things are going the other way... cell phones now have
"unlimited" plans. Long distance can now be purchased as "unlimited".
The water at my home and business (separate towns and utilities) are
both "unlimited".
Your local dial-tone has been unlimited for how many years?
Travis
Question:
If you are privately owned and have received no federal (or otherwise)
money for your network AND it is spelled out in your contract, could the
FCC actually tell you you have to run wide open / allow any app? If so,
where would the line get drawn (Universities, Libraries, etc...)?
: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 11:31 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Broadband
Question:
If you are privately owned and have received no federal (or otherwise)
money for your network AND it is spelled out in your contract, could the
FCC actually tell you you have to run wide open
Have you considered $19/mo for 1 Gig, $39/mo for 5 Gig and $59/mo for 10
Gig +$x per gig over what they normally pay?
Another thought is do the tiers, and throttle them after they hit a
point, after 1 gig, then you get throttled to 64k for the rest of the month.
John
Mike Hammett wrote:
So
I think that's the catch phrase... "open" meaning, not blocked. So
don't block p2p or any other traffic, just throttle it down... WAY
down...
Travis
Scottie Arnett wrote:
Jason,
My TOS do the same thing, but just do a search about Comcast blocking Vuze(bittorrent) and see what has been
Jason,
My TOS do the same thing, but just do a search about Comcast blocking
Vuze(bittorrent) and see what has been happening over the last few months.
First the FCC said it was a matter of them not having a statement of shaping
traffic in their TOS, now it has come to that any provider
: [WISPA] Metered Broadband
I think that's the catch phrase... open meaning, not blocked. So don't
block p2p or any other traffic, just throttle it down... WAY down...
Travis
Scottie Arnett wrote:
Jason,
My TOS do the same thing, but just do a search about Comcast blocking
Vuze(bittorrent
Travis Johnson wrote:
I think things are going the other way... cell phones now have
"unlimited" plans. Long distance can now be purchased as "unlimited".
The water at my home and business (separate towns and utilities) are
both "unlimited".
Your local dial-tone has been unlimited for
There are arguments for flat rate and for metered for most utilities and
services. All you can eat attracts people who don't want to worry
about overages, where tiered usage plans cater to the penny-pincher who
knows exactly how much (or little) he needs. For a service provider it
is much
My customers on average consume about 5 gigs each.
I suspect 10% use about 75% of the traffic.
insert witty tagline here
- Original Message -
From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 6:23 PM
What ever you do decide to charge on a bit cap metered unit price plan,
start the base fee off at the competitive market price and then work
backwards to determine how much transfer is included.
An example:
if you like $2.00 per gig unit price, and the typical market price in
your area is say
Bryan,
In most part, I agree with your reasoning. For legitamate things, such as WOW's
maker's (used to be Blizzard I think) updates, their is nothing stopping them
from offering their updates via ftp, but no...they prefer to offer it via
bittorrent that brings our wirelesss connections down
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