Re: [WISPA] Legal Radio and Antenna Combos - Are there any in existance?
Jason wrote: Bob, I really don't care if it is a CM9, I just wanted the routerboard because it can act as an L2TP server. I did not think that the wrap/routerboard controller really mattered because it isn't the radio, the mini-pci card is. So I think the real question is, are there any mini-pci/antenna combos that are legal? Where are the "Tons of certified combinations" and their certs? There are many manufacturers with certified systems with external antennas. Alvarion, Tranzeo, Trango, etc, etc. There are no mini-pci cards certified with external antennas that we could ever find. Most of the boards were recertifed in other manufacturers products as an assembly. Also you said: "Keep in mind that only a manufacturer of the product can consider it an equal or lesser equivalent to what was originally approved " Directly from the words of the commission's OET people in Washington. Where did that come from? Jason Bob Moldashel wrote: NahThere are a ton of certified combinations. There just aren't any WRAP/Routerboard/CM9 combos that are certified. -B- Kurt Fankhauser wrote: As far as I know the only certified combo's are Cisco w/ YDI antennas, and even those are certified right down to the cable length, yes your cable length has to be certain lengths in order to be legal. If you are caught with an uncertified system the FCC can tell you to pull the plug, and if you don't you can be fined. As far as I know there is no such thing as a certified system using WRAP boards or Mikrotik Boards. If you choose to ignore the rules be prepared for a visit from the FCC because they can knock on your door any day. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US & Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Canopy Lite
What are the differences "in a nutshell" from the regular SM, 900mhz? Differences besides speed. -- Brian Rohrbacher -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] little windy today
Gonna be a great day! No installs for this cowboy :-). http://www.wunderground.com/weatherstation/WXDailyHistory.asp?ID=KWAODESS1 40mph gusts. yippee marlon -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Legal Radio and Antenna Combos - Are there any in existance?
Hiya Jason, Why not just buy ISP grade product? Then you don't have to worry about all of this. AND at 2.4 the CLIENT side isn't limited to 36 dB. It starts there with a 30 dB radio with a 6 dB antenna. For every one db of radio tx dB you drop you can go up 3 dB of antenna gain. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: "Jason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 12:26 PM Subject: [WISPA] Legal Radio and Antenna Combos - Are there any in existance? Everyone, I am at my wits end. I have searched high and low for a mini-pci radio & sector antenna combo for an 802.11b AP that are legal under the current FCC rules, which by my interpretation are: 1. Total output is 36 dbm or less. 2. Antenna characteristics must be the same as an antenna that has been approved for use with that radio, where TYPE refers to antennas with SIMILAR in and out of band radiation patterns. 3. Antenna gain must be equal to or less than the maximum the radio has been approved to work with. I can NOT find a radio that is approved for any antenna with real gain. I don't want to mind just the SPIRIT of the law, but the law itself. What combos are you other guys who like building your own system. I want to put together a Mikrotik with 3 radios and sectors for an AP. The sectors I am looking at are: AntennaGainWidthPol WRW2400-VF/A/H13dbi120H http://www.winncom.com/moreinfo/item/WRW2400-VF/A/H/index.html DT-AN-24-120H-13513.5120H https://www.demarctech.com/products/reliawave-antennas/2_4Ghz/DT-AN-24-120H-135.html DT-AN-24-60120V-152115120V https://www.demarctech.com/products/reliawave-antennas/2_4Ghz/DT-AN-24-AS-60120V-2115.html HyperGain® HG2417P-12017dbi120V http://www.hyperlinktech.com/index.php Teletronics19120H http://www.teletronics.com/antenna2-419dBSector.html Teletronics22140H http://www.teletronics.com/antenna2-422dBidirectional.html I am sorry if this table doesn't wrap well on some email clients. I am still looking for a 18 dbi HZ pol antenna with FCC certs because I think it can be used with a DT-RWZ-200mW-WC, although it is pcmcia and I'll have to figure out how to use it with a 500 series RB (Note, there are foreign antennas that have 18 dbi, but don't come with FCC certs; see my last post). As far as I can tell, the CM9's can't be used anywhere. Ideally, I would like to use the 22 dbi Teletronics in my application with a 14dbm radio for the greatest receive gain. Or at least a HZ polarized antenna with decent gain. Anyway, can someone please help. I appreciate those of you who have helped me to even reach this point. Jason Wallace WISP startup -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Legal Radio and Antenna Combos - Are there any in existance?
Marlon, What would you suggest? I am afraid of proprietary stuff because I don't know enough industry history to understand the players. Jason Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Hiya Jason, Why not just buy ISP grade product? Then you don't have to worry about all of this. AND at 2.4 the CLIENT side isn't limited to 36 dB. It starts there with a 30 dB radio with a 6 dB antenna. For every one db of radio tx dB you drop you can go up 3 dB of antenna gain. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: "Jason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 12:26 PM Subject: [WISPA] Legal Radio and Antenna Combos - Are there any in existance? Everyone, I am at my wits end. I have searched high and low for a mini-pci radio & sector antenna combo for an 802.11b AP that are legal under the current FCC rules, which by my interpretation are: 1. Total output is 36 dbm or less. 2. Antenna characteristics must be the same as an antenna that has been approved for use with that radio, where TYPE refers to antennas with SIMILAR in and out of band radiation patterns. 3. Antenna gain must be equal to or less than the maximum the radio has been approved to work with. I can NOT find a radio that is approved for any antenna with real gain. I don't want to mind just the SPIRIT of the law, but the law itself. What combos are you other guys who like building your own system. I want to put together a Mikrotik with 3 radios and sectors for an AP. The sectors I am looking at are: AntennaGainWidthPol WRW2400-VF/A/H13dbi120H http://www.winncom.com/moreinfo/item/WRW2400-VF/A/H/index.html DT-AN-24-120H-13513.5120H https://www.demarctech.com/products/reliawave-antennas/2_4Ghz/DT-AN-24-120H-135.html DT-AN-24-60120V-152115120V https://www.demarctech.com/products/reliawave-antennas/2_4Ghz/DT-AN-24-AS-60120V-2115.html HyperGain® HG2417P-12017dbi120V http://www.hyperlinktech.com/index.php Teletronics19120H http://www.teletronics.com/antenna2-419dBSector.html Teletronics22140H http://www.teletronics.com/antenna2-422dBidirectional.html I am sorry if this table doesn't wrap well on some email clients. I am still looking for a 18 dbi HZ pol antenna with FCC certs because I think it can be used with a DT-RWZ-200mW-WC, although it is pcmcia and I'll have to figure out how to use it with a 500 series RB (Note, there are foreign antennas that have 18 dbi, but don't come with FCC certs; see my last post). As far as I can tell, the CM9's can't be used anywhere. Ideally, I would like to use the 22 dbi Teletronics in my application with a 14dbm radio for the greatest receive gain. Or at least a HZ polarized antenna with decent gain. Anyway, can someone please help. I appreciate those of you who have helped me to even reach this point. Jason Wallace WISP startup -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Canopy Lite
Speed Price. JohnnyO On Mon, 2006-01-30 at 10:30 -0500, Brian Rohrbacher wrote: What are the differences "in a nutshell" from the regular SM, 900mhz? Differences besides speed. -- Brian Rohrbacher -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Legal Radio and Antenna Combos - Are there anyin existance?
The beauty of using wifi is that it doesn't much matter. They pretty much all work with each other. As for what you should/could use. What's the application? What did you want to do with the wrap boards that's different from what you can get out of an isp centric product? Feel free to call me and we can chat about this. 509.988.0260 laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: "Jason Wallace" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 8:44 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Legal Radio and Antenna Combos - Are there anyin existance? Marlon, What would you suggest? I am afraid of proprietary stuff because I don't know enough industry history to understand the players. Jason Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Hiya Jason, Why not just buy ISP grade product? Then you don't have to worry about all of this. AND at 2.4 the CLIENT side isn't limited to 36 dB. It starts there with a 30 dB radio with a 6 dB antenna. For every one db of radio tx dB you drop you can go up 3 dB of antenna gain. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: "Jason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 12:26 PM Subject: [WISPA] Legal Radio and Antenna Combos - Are there any in existance? Everyone, I am at my wits end. I have searched high and low for a mini-pci radio & sector antenna combo for an 802.11b AP that are legal under the current FCC rules, which by my interpretation are: 1. Total output is 36 dbm or less. 2. Antenna characteristics must be the same as an antenna that has been approved for use with that radio, where TYPE refers to antennas with SIMILAR in and out of band radiation patterns. 3. Antenna gain must be equal to or less than the maximum the radio has been approved to work with. I can NOT find a radio that is approved for any antenna with real gain. I don't want to mind just the SPIRIT of the law, but the law itself. What combos are you other guys who like building your own system. I want to put together a Mikrotik with 3 radios and sectors for an AP. The sectors I am looking at are: AntennaGainWidthPol WRW2400-VF/A/H13dbi120H http://www.winncom.com/moreinfo/item/WRW2400-VF/A/H/index.html DT-AN-24-120H-13513.5120H https://www.demarctech.com/products/reliawave-antennas/2_4Ghz/DT-AN-24-120H-135.html DT-AN-24-60120V-152115120V https://www.demarctech.com/products/reliawave-antennas/2_4Ghz/DT-AN-24-AS-60120V-2115.html HyperGain® HG2417P-12017dbi120V http://www.hyperlinktech.com/index.php Teletronics19120H http://www.teletronics.com/antenna2-419dBSector.html Teletronics22140H http://www.teletronics.com/antenna2-422dBidirectional.html I am sorry if this table doesn't wrap well on some email clients. I am still looking for a 18 dbi HZ pol antenna with FCC certs because I think it can be used with a DT-RWZ-200mW-WC, although it is pcmcia and I'll have to figure out how to use it with a 500 series RB (Note, there are foreign antennas that have 18 dbi, but don't come with FCC certs; see my last post). As far as I can tell, the CM9's can't be used anywhere. Ideally, I would like to use the 22 dbi Teletronics in my application with a 14dbm radio for the greatest receive gain. Or at least a HZ polarized antenna with decent gain. Anyway, can someone please help. I appreciate those of you who have helped me to even reach this point. Jason Wallace WISP startup -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Re: [TVWHITESPACE] NEI petition Docket 05-345
Marlon, fantastic! Now, can I tempt you with this? HArold OTARD Comments 1-25-06.pdf Description: Adobe PDF document -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Legal Radio and Antenna Combos - Are there anyin existance?
The more you think about it the more you are going to find reasons not to do it, what you have to do is just jump in and do it. Once you do you will know what you want to do. Its like sky diving, you have to just jump into it, if you stand up there and question it you will just freeze up and not go anywhere. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Wallace Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 8:45 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Legal Radio and Antenna Combos - Are there anyin existance? Marlon, What would you suggest? I am afraid of proprietary stuff because I don't know enough industry history to understand the players. Jason Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: > Hiya Jason, > > Why not just buy ISP grade product? Then you don't have to worry > about all of this. > > AND at 2.4 the CLIENT side isn't limited to 36 dB. It starts there > with a 30 dB radio with a 6 dB antenna. For every one db of radio tx > dB you drop you can go up 3 dB of antenna gain. > > Marlon > (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales > (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services > 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! > 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) > www.odessaoffice.com/wireless > www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam > > > > - Original Message - From: "Jason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 12:26 PM > Subject: [WISPA] Legal Radio and Antenna Combos - Are there any in > existance? > > >> Everyone, >> >>I am at my wits end. I have searched high and low for a mini-pci >> radio & sector antenna combo for an 802.11b AP that are legal under >> the current FCC rules, which by my interpretation are: >> >> 1. Total output is 36 dbm or less. >> >> 2. Antenna characteristics must be the same as an antenna that has >> been approved for use with that radio, where TYPE refers to antennas >> with SIMILAR in and out of band radiation patterns. >> >> 3. Antenna gain must be equal to or less than the maximum the radio >> has been approved to work with. >> >> I can NOT find a radio that is approved for any antenna with real >> gain. I don't want to mind just the SPIRIT of the law, but the law >> itself. >> What combos are you other guys who like building your own system. I >> want to put together a Mikrotik with 3 radios and sectors for an AP. >> The sectors I am looking at are: >> >> AntennaGainWidthPol >> WRW2400-VF/A/H13dbi120H >> http://www.winncom.com/moreinfo/item/WRW2400-VF/A/H/index.html >> >> DT-AN-24-120H-13513.5120H >> https://www.demarctech.com/products/reliawave-antennas/2_4Ghz/DT-AN-24-1 20H-135.html >> >> >> DT-AN-24-60120V-152115120V >> https://www.demarctech.com/products/reliawave-antennas/2_4Ghz/DT-AN-24-A S-60120V-2115.html >> >> >> HyperGainR HG2417P-12017dbi120V >> http://www.hyperlinktech.com/index.php >> >> Teletronics19120H >> http://www.teletronics.com/antenna2-419dBSector.html >> >> Teletronics22140H >> http://www.teletronics.com/antenna2-422dBidirectional.html >> >> I am sorry if this table doesn't wrap well on some email clients. >> I am still looking for a 18 dbi HZ pol antenna with FCC certs because >> I think it can be used with a DT-RWZ-200mW-WC, although it is pcmcia >> and I'll have to figure out how to use it with a 500 series RB (Note, >> there are foreign antennas that have 18 dbi, but don't come with FCC >> certs; see my last post). As far as I can tell, the CM9's can't be >> used anywhere. >> Ideally, I would like to use the 22 dbi Teletronics in my application >> with a 14dbm radio for the greatest receive gain. Or at least a HZ >> polarized antenna with decent gain. >> >> Anyway, can someone please help. I appreciate those of you who have >> helped me to even reach this point. >> >> Jason Wallace >> WISP startup >> >> >> -- >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.23/243 - Release Date: 1/27/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Canopy Lite
No difference in features? JohnnyO wrote: Speed Price. JohnnyO On Mon, 2006-01-30 at 10:30 -0500, Brian Rohrbacher wrote: What are the differences "in a nutshell" from the regular SM, 900mhz? Differences besides speed. -- Brian Rohrbacher -- Brian Rohrbacher Reliable Internet, LLC www.reliableinter.net Cell 269-838-8338 "Caught up in the Air" 1 Thess. 4:17 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Canopy Lite
http://motorola.canopywireless.com/products/lite/ Best, -- Dylan Oliver Primaverity, LLC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Canopy Lite
I've read that. Does anyone know if a "lite" SM is fully upgradeable to a regular one? Dylan Oliver wrote: http://motorola.canopywireless.com/products/lite/ Best, -- Dylan Oliver Primaverity, LLC -- Brian Rohrbacher Reliable Internet, LLC www.reliableinter.net Cell 269-838-8338 "Caught up in the Air" 1 Thess. 4:17 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Canopy Lite
Specs say it can be upgraded to 1, 2, 3, 4 mbps. Buy the time you do that you should've spend the extra $50 and had a regular 2400SM to begin with. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 12:10 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Canopy Lite I've read that. Does anyone know if a "lite" SM is fully upgradeable to a regular one? Dylan Oliver wrote: >http://motorola.canopywireless.com/products/lite/ > >Best, >-- >Dylan Oliver >Primaverity, LLC > > -- Brian Rohrbacher Reliable Internet, LLC www.reliableinter.net Cell 269-838-8338 "Caught up in the Air" 1 Thess. 4:17 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.23/243 - Release Date: 1/27/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Canopy Lite
>From what I have read they are not fully upgradeable because there are some hardware differences between the light and the normal units. I also remember reading that you have to have the advantage AP to use the light versions of SU's. Chadd <-Original Message- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] My Towers Need More CPU - suggestions?
Like many folks on this list (I'm guessing), I have a lot of PC-type hardware at tower locations. Right now, it's mostly RouterBoard 230s and WRAPs, but those systems just don't have all that much CPU power, and I'd like to try to improve things. When you start seriously tinkering with traffic shaping, firewalling, and especially some of the advanced filtering you can do with Linux these days, 233MHz just doesn't go as far as it used to. There are all kinds of cheap computers out there, so getting something with more CPU power than those boards (both of which are basically Pentium 233s or so) isn't the problem. The problems are size/space, and that pesky weather. Ideally, I'd like something with at least double the raw horsepower (a P-500 or better), not too much larger than a RouterBoard, and that can handle temperatures from -20 to +120 (Fahrenheit, obviously, and those numbers are the highs and lows from the last couple years, with a bit of breathing room). I'm shooting for "no moving parts," so a fanless system would be ideal. And while it needs to be small, it also needs to have at least two Ethernet ports, and for bonus points, access to a PCI slot (for adding things like miniPCI card adapters). I'd also like a flying car. :D If it existed, a Soekris 5501 would probably fill the bill, but it's been listed as "coming soon" since late 2004. There's also a number of low-end VIA EPIA-based boards that, while a bit larger than I'd really prefer, would probably work. (Eje at wisp-router sells a couple systems that look like they'd do the job.) So, does anyone have any recommendations on specific hardware for something like this? Surely someone else out there has run into the same kind of problems. I suspect my size constraint will be the most difficult, but it's also the most flexible. Reliability is obviously my top concern. David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] RF Linx amps vs. YDI amps
Hello all, Thought I'd share a bit of real world experience with the listers regarding amplifiers. We recently replaced three RF Linx amplifiers (indoor, 2.4Ghz, the non-tunable units) with three used YDI (Breezecom labeled) amplifiers. The difference was significant. Signal strength on customer radios increased by about 3db and the noise floor dropped by another 3 to 5db. Performance on those access points also improved considerably, and several previously marginal connections got a lot better. One sight is even showing -72 signal from a Tranzeo 80-15 at 13 miles. FWIW, these RF Linx amps are an older model (vintage winter 2002). Matt Larsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] My Towers Need More CPU - suggestions?
What software are you running on them? There are a couple of options out there including the WAR boards (once StarOS V3 is released) or I have heard of several people having great success with the VIA mini-itx fanless boards. Both remove the CPU as a bottle neck. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: 30 January 2006 21:58 To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] My Towers Need More CPU - suggestions? Like many folks on this list (I'm guessing), I have a lot of PC-type hardware at tower locations. Right now, it's mostly RouterBoard 230s and WRAPs, but those systems just don't have all that much CPU power, and I'd like to try to improve things. When you start seriously tinkering with traffic shaping, firewalling, and especially some of the advanced filtering you can do with Linux these days, 233MHz just doesn't go as far as it used to. There are all kinds of cheap computers out there, so getting something with more CPU power than those boards (both of which are basically Pentium 233s or so) isn't the problem. The problems are size/space, and that pesky weather. Ideally, I'd like something with at least double the raw horsepower (a P-500 or better), not too much larger than a RouterBoard, and that can handle temperatures from -20 to +120 (Fahrenheit, obviously, and those numbers are the highs and lows from the last couple years, with a bit of breathing room). I'm shooting for "no moving parts," so a fanless system would be ideal. And while it needs to be small, it also needs to have at least two Ethernet ports, and for bonus points, access to a PCI slot (for adding things like miniPCI card adapters). I'd also like a flying car. :D If it existed, a Soekris 5501 would probably fill the bill, but it's been listed as "coming soon" since late 2004. There's also a number of low-end VIA EPIA-based boards that, while a bit larger than I'd really prefer, would probably work. (Eje at wisp-router sells a couple systems that look like they'd do the job.) So, does anyone have any recommendations on specific hardware for something like this? Surely someone else out there has run into the same kind of problems. I suspect my size constraint will be the most difficult, but it's also the most flexible. Reliability is obviously my top concern. David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.23/243 - Release Date: 27/01/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.23/243 - Release Date: 27/01/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] My Towers Need More CPU - suggestions?
Paul Hendry wrote: What software are you running on them? There are a couple of options out there including the WAR boards (once StarOS V3 is released) or I have heard of several people having great success with the VIA mini-itx fanless boards. Both remove the CPU as a bottle neck. I *knew* there was something I was forgetting... :) Right now, most of them are running StarOS, but I'd like to still be flexible. (I have a few of these boards as CPE, mainly running RouterOS.) The WAR boards, and the Routerboard 500s, both look very good for their specific jobs, but you're more-or-less tied to a certain software distribution there (i.e. you can't run RouterOS on a WAR, StarOS on a RB500, etc.). Hey, one of these days I might get a wild notion to just install a 2GB flash card and Slackware at a tower location. You never know. Thus, my magical ideal board should probably be x86-compatible too. I've been looking at the VIA boards. The only problem is that most of them only have one onboard Ethernet port, and only one PCI slot. So I could have my multiple Ethernet ports, OR my miniPCI adapter, but not both. David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RF Linx amps vs. YDI amps
I think this is one of those weird things I have a stack of outdoor YDI's that I replaced with outdoor RF-Linx units. The RF-Linx units dropped my noise level by 5 db or better at every tower. This swap was done in the spring of 2004. I still have a few of the YDI's left I ought to put them up for sale The YDI's are all 2001 or so vintage. As they say, your mileage may vary Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: Hello all, Thought I'd share a bit of real world experience with the listers regarding amplifiers. We recently replaced three RF Linx amplifiers (indoor, 2.4Ghz, the non-tunable units) with three used YDI (Breezecom labeled) amplifiers. The difference was significant. Signal strength on customer radios increased by about 3db and the noise floor dropped by another 3 to 5db. Performance on those access points also improved considerably, and several previously marginal connections got a lot better. One sight is even showing -72 signal from a Tranzeo 80-15 at 13 miles. FWIW, these RF Linx amps are an older model (vintage winter 2002). Matt Larsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 A division of: Camp Communication Services, INC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] My Towers Need More CPU - suggestions?
David E. Smith wrote: Like many folks on this list (I'm guessing), I have a lot of PC-type hardware at tower locations. Right now, it's mostly RouterBoard 230s and WRAPs, but those systems just don't have all that much CPU power, and I'd like to try to improve things. When you start seriously tinkering with traffic shaping, firewalling, and especially some of the advanced filtering you can do with Linux these days, 233MHz just doesn't go as far as it used to. There are all kinds of cheap computers out there, so getting something with more CPU power than those boards (both of which are basically Pentium 233s or so) isn't the problem. The problems are size/space, and that pesky weather. Ideally, I'd like something with at least double the raw horsepower (a P-500 or better), not too much larger than a RouterBoard, and that can handle temperatures from -20 to +120 (Fahrenheit, obviously, and those numbers are the highs and lows from the last couple years, with a bit of breathing room). I'm shooting for "no moving parts," so a fanless system would be ideal. And while it needs to be small, it also needs to have at least two Ethernet ports, and for bonus points, access to a PCI slot (for adding things like miniPCI card adapters). I'd also like a flying car. :D They promised us flying cars Where are the flying cars?!?!?! If it existed, a Soekris 5501 would probably fill the bill, but it's been listed as "coming soon" since late 2004. There's also a number of low-end VIA EPIA-based boards that, while a bit larger than I'd really prefer, would probably work. (Eje at wisp-router sells a couple systems that look like they'd do the job.) So, does anyone have any recommendations on specific hardware for something like this? Surely someone else out there has run into the same kind of problems. I suspect my size constraint will be the most difficult, but it's also the most flexible. Reliability is obviously my top concern. David Smith MVN.net -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 A division of: Camp Communication Services, INC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] My Towers Need More CPU - suggestions?
MiniATX form factor motherboard, with three PCI slots should have enough CPU to do about anything you want, and you can get DC/DC power supplies for them as well. I have a few WRAP boards we were using as backhauls and the CPUs are now maxing out, so I'm going to put these units in. Surprisingly enough, the computers with power supplies are quite a bit cheaper than a WAR or Routerboard. With the right kind of enclosure, you can control the climate fairly well. They are a little bigger than your WRAP or Routerboards, but still mountable on a tower. I have some generic Pentium III vintage motherboards up on towers right now (in NEMA enclosures), and they have been working fine since June of last year. That covers the majority of the temperature and moisture swings in our environment (-30 to 110 degrees F). Matt Larsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] David E. Smith wrote: Like many folks on this list (I'm guessing), I have a lot of PC-type hardware at tower locations. Right now, it's mostly RouterBoard 230s and WRAPs, but those systems just don't have all that much CPU power, and I'd like to try to improve things. When you start seriously tinkering with traffic shaping, firewalling, and especially some of the advanced filtering you can do with Linux these days, 233MHz just doesn't go as far as it used to. There are all kinds of cheap computers out there, so getting something with more CPU power than those boards (both of which are basically Pentium 233s or so) isn't the problem. The problems are size/space, and that pesky weather. Ideally, I'd like something with at least double the raw horsepower (a P-500 or better), not too much larger than a RouterBoard, and that can handle temperatures from -20 to +120 (Fahrenheit, obviously, and those numbers are the highs and lows from the last couple years, with a bit of breathing room). I'm shooting for "no moving parts," so a fanless system would be ideal. And while it needs to be small, it also needs to have at least two Ethernet ports, and for bonus points, access to a PCI slot (for adding things like miniPCI card adapters). I'd also like a flying car. :D If it existed, a Soekris 5501 would probably fill the bill, but it's been listed as "coming soon" since late 2004. There's also a number of low-end VIA EPIA-based boards that, while a bit larger than I'd really prefer, would probably work. (Eje at wisp-router sells a couple systems that look like they'd do the job.) So, does anyone have any recommendations on specific hardware for something like this? Surely someone else out there has run into the same kind of problems. I suspect my size constraint will be the most difficult, but it's also the most flexible. Reliability is obviously my top concern. David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] My Towers Need More CPU - suggestions?
You can get 2 port pci riser cards for via boards and there are a few dual ether VIA's out there but never used them myself. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: 30 January 2006 22:19 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] My Towers Need More CPU - suggestions? Paul Hendry wrote: > What software are you running on them? There are a couple of options out > there including the WAR boards (once StarOS V3 is released) or I have heard > of several people having great success with the VIA mini-itx fanless boards. > Both remove the CPU as a bottle neck. I *knew* there was something I was forgetting... :) Right now, most of them are running StarOS, but I'd like to still be flexible. (I have a few of these boards as CPE, mainly running RouterOS.) The WAR boards, and the Routerboard 500s, both look very good for their specific jobs, but you're more-or-less tied to a certain software distribution there (i.e. you can't run RouterOS on a WAR, StarOS on a RB500, etc.). Hey, one of these days I might get a wild notion to just install a 2GB flash card and Slackware at a tower location. You never know. Thus, my magical ideal board should probably be x86-compatible too. I've been looking at the VIA boards. The only problem is that most of them only have one onboard Ethernet port, and only one PCI slot. So I could have my multiple Ethernet ports, OR my miniPCI adapter, but not both. David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.23/243 - Release Date: 27/01/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.23/243 - Release Date: 27/01/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] My Towers Need More CPU - suggestions?
What boards are you getting that are cheaper than a war/routerboard? I have looked for something like that in the past and always found it to be more expensive. I would be interested in something like that for sure. Thanks, Chadd > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists > Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 4:52 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] My Towers Need More CPU - suggestions? > > MiniATX form factor motherboard, with three PCI slots should have enough > CPU to do about anything you want, and you can get DC/DC power supplies > for them as well. I have a few WRAP boards we were using as backhauls > and the CPUs are now maxing out, so I'm going to put these units in. > Surprisingly enough, the computers with power supplies are quite a bit > cheaper than a WAR or Routerboard. > -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] My Towers Need More CPU - suggestions?
Just bread down and put Dell rack mount servers in place. grin Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: "David E. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 1:57 PM Subject: [WISPA] My Towers Need More CPU - suggestions? Like many folks on this list (I'm guessing), I have a lot of PC-type hardware at tower locations. Right now, it's mostly RouterBoard 230s and WRAPs, but those systems just don't have all that much CPU power, and I'd like to try to improve things. When you start seriously tinkering with traffic shaping, firewalling, and especially some of the advanced filtering you can do with Linux these days, 233MHz just doesn't go as far as it used to. There are all kinds of cheap computers out there, so getting something with more CPU power than those boards (both of which are basically Pentium 233s or so) isn't the problem. The problems are size/space, and that pesky weather. Ideally, I'd like something with at least double the raw horsepower (a P-500 or better), not too much larger than a RouterBoard, and that can handle temperatures from -20 to +120 (Fahrenheit, obviously, and those numbers are the highs and lows from the last couple years, with a bit of breathing room). I'm shooting for "no moving parts," so a fanless system would be ideal. And while it needs to be small, it also needs to have at least two Ethernet ports, and for bonus points, access to a PCI slot (for adding things like miniPCI card adapters). I'd also like a flying car. :D If it existed, a Soekris 5501 would probably fill the bill, but it's been listed as "coming soon" since late 2004. There's also a number of low-end VIA EPIA-based boards that, while a bit larger than I'd really prefer, would probably work. (Eje at wisp-router sells a couple systems that look like they'd do the job.) So, does anyone have any recommendations on specific hardware for something like this? Surely someone else out there has run into the same kind of problems. I suspect my size constraint will be the most difficult, but it's also the most flexible. Reliability is obviously my top concern. David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Best Network Card
I will add that many of the high end rackmount server boards such as SuperMicro have standardized on some of the Intel NIC chipsets, and they have operated very well for us on our Linux servers. So I second the Intel vote. Or you can just buy NICs with Realtek chipsets from ICIntracom for $6, which also have worked OK for me, and asve money :-) Tom DeReggiRapidDSL & Wireless, IncIntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Mark Nash To: WISPA General List Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 3:55 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Network Card Definately the Intel EtherExpress Pro. Mark NashNetwork EngineerUnwiredOnline.Net350 Holly StreetJunction City, OR 97448http://www.uwol.net541-998-541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Ron Wallace To: WISP ; WISPA ; isp-wireless@isp-wireless.com Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 9:15 AM Subject: [WISPA] Best Network Card To All, What is the most reliable Network card, I have been using 3com 905c, for my MT server, they are discontinued. What would you all recommend? I don't want to have to buy 5 cheap ones and keep replacing till I get one that works, I've been changing-out a lot of gear this winter. Bad choices on my part. Another story, another time. Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Foreign Antennas
The matter of antenna certification rules was something that was clarified by the FCC OET (Office of Engineering & Technology) & FCC Enforcement Bureau at WiNOG last February in Chicago...(certification aside, the policies of the Enforcement Bureau is what really matters to most, IMO =) Copies of the original FCC presentations can be found online: http://www.wispnog.com/chicago_2005/sessions.htm A summary of the FCC discussion can be found on page 5 of our March 2005 newsletter (a thanks to Butch E and Forrest C for their nice write-ups last year) http://www.wispnog.com/chicago_2005/sessions.htm -Charles --- WiNOG Austin, TX March 13-15, 2006 http://www.winog.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 7:57 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Foreign Antennas Antenna has to be certified as long as the radio, and then together they both have to be certified. You could have a certified radio and antenna but if they aren't certified to be used together then its illegal. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Wallace Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 1:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Foreign Antennas Gang, I have found several 802.11b antennas produced outside the US that I'd like to use. They are not FCC certified, however. Do the antennas need to be fcc certified or just the radios? This is assuming that all the gain/ERP rules are met. Jason Wallace -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.23/243 - Release Date: 1/27/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Legal Radio and Antenna Combos - Are there anyin existance?
I can tell you from past experience it is a good idea to find a good brand and use it. One of the things I learned at the WCA show a couple of weeks ago was that if you want to have a business worth selling later you had better consider using one high-quality well-known platform instead of a hodge-podge of radio solutions. Alvarion is definitely one of those "good" brands. There are others but I am betting that many out there would choose to go with Alvarion from the start if they had it all to do over again. With that said I will not discount the value I have seen in others out there like Trango, Tranzeo, Waverider, Mikrotik, Star-OS, etc. The trouble is though that it is rare to find one brand with one management interface (All FCC System Certified as well) for all the different platforms you will need as a WISP. With Alvarion (and few if any others) you can literally build your entire network on one trusted platform. I went to an Alvarion sponsored conference on WiMAX triple play offerings in Washington D.C last week. that was very informative but was NOT the reason I said what I did about Alvarion. There was a company who specialized in WISP acquisitions at the WCA show that described the most important factors in determining the value of a company. One of the negatives about WISP operations was generally the frequent use of a "hodge-podge" of different incompatible platforms of radios. They stated this was a very big problem for WISP valuations. They said that using one good brand of radios was a good way to make your system worth its highest value. Just some food for thought here guys. Especially anyone who might have funding but is new to running a WISP. Rolling your own solution is not always the best way to go and can actually hurt your efforts in many cases. Find a good brand and stick to it. Scriv Kurt Fankhauser wrote: The more you think about it the more you are going to find reasons not to do it, what you have to do is just jump in and do it. Once you do you will know what you want to do. Its like sky diving, you have to just jump into it, if you stand up there and question it you will just freeze up and not go anywhere. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Wallace Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 8:45 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Legal Radio and Antenna Combos - Are there anyin existance? Marlon, What would you suggest? I am afraid of proprietary stuff because I don't know enough industry history to understand the players. Jason Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Hiya Jason, Why not just buy ISP grade product? Then you don't have to worry about all of this. AND at 2.4 the CLIENT side isn't limited to 36 dB. It starts there with a 30 dB radio with a 6 dB antenna. For every one db of radio tx dB you drop you can go up 3 dB of antenna gain. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: "Jason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 12:26 PM Subject: [WISPA] Legal Radio and Antenna Combos - Are there any in existance? Everyone, I am at my wits end. I have searched high and low for a mini-pci radio & sector antenna combo for an 802.11b AP that are legal under the current FCC rules, which by my interpretation are: 1. Total output is 36 dbm or less. 2. Antenna characteristics must be the same as an antenna that has been approved for use with that radio, where TYPE refers to antennas with SIMILAR in and out of band radiation patterns. 3. Antenna gain must be equal to or less than the maximum the radio has been approved to work with. I can NOT find a radio that is approved for any antenna with real gain. I don't want to mind just the SPIRIT of the law, but the law itself. What combos are you other guys who like building your own system. I want to put together a Mikrotik with 3 radios and sectors for an AP. The sectors I am looking at are: AntennaGainWidthPol WRW2400-VF/A/H13dbi120H http://www.winncom.com/moreinfo/item/WRW2400-VF/A/H/index.html DT-AN-24-120H-13513.5120H https://www.demarctech.com/products/reliawave-antennas/2_4Ghz/DT-AN-24-1 20H-135.html DT-AN-24-60120V-152115120V https://www.demarctech.com/products/reliawave-antennas/2_4Ghz/DT-AN-24-A S-60120V-2115.html HyperGainR HG2417P-12017dbi120V http://www.hyperlinktech.com/index.php Teletronics
