Re: [WISPA] identity of mini-pci cards
Brian Rohrbacher wrote: I have some mini-pci cards but I don't know anything about them. Anyone know of a good way to determine what they are. Maybe by mac address? Brian use linux (on a laptop with a mini-pci slot). Run lspci to show the manufacturer's ID, name, etc, of the hardware. bw -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Powering 12-volt CPE via battery for site surveys
Thanks Mark. Going to GI Joe's will give me a good reason to take the wife and go to the valley Good find George Mark Nash - Lists wrote: George...forgot to tell you that I got it at G.I. Joes in Eugene. I can pick one up for you if you want...Steve and I are fishing on the Siuslaw this Friday...salmon should get moving with the rain coming over the next two days. Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Mark Nash - Lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 10:03 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Powering 12-volt CPE via battery for site surveys I found it...here's the model. http://www.amazon.com/SeaSense-Power-Station-Boat-Battery/dp/B000FZ4U4M Maybe you could cut that hole in your van in the driver's door and just hold your cig hand outside... ;) Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 8:03 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Powering 12-volt CPE via battery for site surveys Thanks Mark Vented is what I'm looking for. Wonder if I should take a hole saw to the side of my van. George Mark Nash - Lists wrote: Look to a marine battery enclosure in the boat section of your recreational supply store. Carrying strap, vented, charge indicator, and with a 12v power port. ...or perhaps the word 'vented' is not what you were asking for. ;) -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] identity of mini-pci cards
Sounds easy, too bad I couldn't pick linux out of a one man police line-up. LOL I think I'll go with posting the some pics. Brian Brian Whigham wrote: Brian Rohrbacher wrote: I have some mini-pci cards but I don't know anything about them. Anyone know of a good way to determine what they are. Maybe by mac address? Brian use linux (on a laptop with a mini-pci slot). Run lspci to show the manufacturer's ID, name, etc, of the hardware. bw -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Indiana Rural Summit--Nov. 13-14...Registration Ends Nov. 8
Good Morning, WISPA. This is directed specifically to the WISPs of Indiana. I thought this Rural Summit might be of interest to yall. Best regards, SlingShot Wireless Communications Jeff Mabry -- Forwarded message -- From: Cordes, Sam M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Oct 31, 2006 7:22 PM Subject: Indiana Rural Summit--Nov. 13-14...Registration Ends Nov. 8 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This message, and your reply (unless you change the to: address in your e-mail), goes to the entire membership of the CDS-L (Community Development Society) list. Misusers of this Reply to all function are publicly encouraged to donate $20 US for every infraction to CDS' Nette Nelson scholarship fund. === I just wanted to let everyone know that the registration deadline for the Nov. 13-14 Rural Summit is fast approaching. This is shaping up as an outstanding program and will be an important benchmark for thinking about the future of Indiana's countryside. Featured speakers include: *Thomas C. Dorr, Under Secretary of USDA-Rural Development; *Lieutenant Governor Becky Skillman; *Clay Serbie, Deputy Premier and Saskatchewan Minister of Regional, Economic, and Cooperative Developers *Charles Fluharty, President of the Rural Policy Research Institute; *Richard Wakeford, Head of Environmental and Rural Affairs-Scottish Executive; *Richard Foster, Vice President for Programs-W.K. Kellogg Foundation; and *Mark Drabenstott, Director of the Center for Regional Competitiveness; and For more detailed information, including registration, please go to http://www.purdue.edu/dp/pcrd/conference/summit/ The Summit's overall goal is to provide a positive environment to learn techniques that will foster future investments, technological advancement, and dynamic growth in our Indiana communities. Specifically, the Summit is designed to provide Hoosier leaders opportunities to learn creative ways to tackle development challenges and understand better the RISE (Rural Indiana Strategy for Excellence) 2020 strategic action framework. Conferees will also have opportunities to share best practices, while reinforcing the linkages Indiana communities have statewide, nationally, and internationally. I hope you will consider attending and will encourage others to do so. Sam Cordes Co-Director, Center for Regional Development and Assistant Director and Program Leader Economic and Community Development Cooperative Extension Service Purdue University Burton Morgan Center for Entrepreneurship, Room 236 1201 West State Street West Lafayette, IN 47907-2057 Phone: 765-494-7273 Toll free: 877-882-PCRD (7273) Fax: 765-494-9870 [EMAIL PROTECTED] = CDS-L is the members-only e-mail list for the Community Development Society, http://comm-dev.org/ You can e-mail the list managers, Lori Miklas ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) or Peggy Blankenship ( [EMAIL PROTECTED]) of the CDS Administrative Offices. To sign off this list, send e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with only these words in the message body: UNSUBSCRIBE CDS-L -- - Executive Director, CTCNet Chicago Chapter Co-Founder, Chicago Digital Access Alliance Co-Chair, Illinois Community Technology Coalition President, Association For Community Networking Support the efforts of the Chicago Digital Access Alliance:http://www.digitalaccessalliance.org --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups GIO-Talk group. To post to this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups-beta.google.com/group/gio-talk To join the statewide announcements-only list: http://groups.google.com/group/gio-bulletin/ To join the Chicago announcements-only list: http://groups.google.com/group/cdaa-bulletin -~--~~~~--~~--~--~--- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] OTARD
CONTINENTAL AIRLINES, PETITION FOR DECLARATORY RULING REGARDING THE OVER-THE-AIR RECEPTION DEVICES (OTARD) RULES. Found that Massport's restrictions on Continental's use of its Wi-Fi antenna are pre-empted by the OTARD rules and therefore granted Continental's petition. (Dkt No. 05-247). Action by: the Commission. Adopted: 10/17/2006 by MOO. (FCC No. 06-157). OET http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-06-157A1.doc http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-06-157A2.doc http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-06-157A3.doc http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-06-157A1.pdf http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-06-157A2.pdf http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-06-157A3.pdf http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-06-157A1.txt http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-06-157A2.txt http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-06-157A3.txt -- Regards, Peter RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist We Help ISPs Connect Communicate 813.963.5884 http://4isps.com/newsletter.htm -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] OTARD
Fascinating. I had always read OTARD to only cover client devices and not base station devices. -Hal __ Harold Bledsoe Deliberant LLC 800.742.9865 x205 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.deliberant.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter R. Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 1:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] OTARD CONTINENTAL AIRLINES, PETITION FOR DECLARATORY RULING REGARDING THE OVER-THE-AIR RECEPTION DEVICES (OTARD) RULES. Found that Massport's restrictions on Continental's use of its Wi-Fi antenna are pre-empted by the OTARD rules and therefore granted Continental's petition. (Dkt No. 05-247). Action by: the Commission. Adopted: 10/17/2006 by MOO. (FCC No. 06-157). OET http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-06-157A1.doc http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-06-157A2.doc http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-06-157A3.doc http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-06-157A1.pdf http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-06-157A2.pdf http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-06-157A3.pdf http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-06-157A1.txt http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-06-157A2.txt http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-06-157A3.txt -- Regards, Peter RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist We Help ISPs Connect Communicate 813.963.5884 http://4isps.com/newsletter.htm -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Rebooting WRAP AP
I have a WRAP board with two radios (CM-9 for BH and WLM54G for AP) running Mikrotik. It appears that when the temp drops close to freezing it restarts. Last night it restarted 3 times between midnight and 8AM. It did the same thing a week or so ago a couple of cold nights but since the nights have warmed it has been fine. In an effort to fix, I planned on just replacing the WRAP and the two radios, reusing the CF with the OS on it. Two questions, have other folks seen cold weather reboots and how safe am I assuming the CF is not the problem? Mark McElvy AccuBak Data Systems, Inc. 573.729.9200 - Office 573.729.9203 - Fax 573.247.9980 - Mobile http://www.accubak.com/ http://www.accubak.net/ Nationwide Internet Access Accurate backups for your critical data! This electronic communication (including any attached document) may contain privileged and/or confidential information. This communication is intended only for the use of indicated e-mail addressees. If you are not an intended recipient of this communication, please be advised that any disclosure, dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this communication or any attached document is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and promptly destroy all electronic and printed copies of this communication and any attached document. Unauthorized interception of this e-mail is a violation of federal criminal law. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Looking for a few good Installers
Sorry for the mis label -Original Message-From: Ron Wallace [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, November 1, 2006 04:30 PMTo: 'WISPA General List'Subject: Re: [WISPA] HighGainAntennas Tigernet Wireless internet Service in Hudson, Michigan 49247 is looking for good, 'qualified', motivated Installers. We will paywell for good installers. Located 55 Miles WNW of toledo, Ohio; 75 Miles NE of Fort Wayne, IN; 60 miles South of Lansing MI. Please contact off list. Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] I am looking for a few good Installers
To All, Tigernet Wireless internet Service in Hudson, Michigan 49247 is looking for good, 'qualified', motivated, Contract Installers. We will paywell for good installers. Located 55 Miles WNW of toledo, Ohio; 75 Miles NE of Fort Wayne, IN; 60 miles South of Lansing MI. Please contact off list.Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Battery charger (adding to site survey thread)
Any opinions on if I should use use this to keep my batteries charged? I'd want to leave it hooked up 24/7 http://www.rvupgradestore.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPRODProdID=306 Brian Brian Rohrbacher wrote: I already have a setup for battery backup with a deep cycle battery but I don't have anything in place to charge it. I want something to leave plugged in all the time that knows when to charge. I found this on froogle. Looks like what I want. Who has thoughts on these next two links? http://www.rvupgradestore.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPRODProdID=306 http://www.rvupgradestore.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPRODProdID=307 Brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Rebooting WRAP AP
I have experienced something similar to this taht was NOT a WRAP, and it turned out to be a failing radio card. Thermal failure that occurred at the same temperature, regardless of other conditions. I'd just change the radios... And see if that does it. +++ neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East Washington email me at mark at neofast dot net 541-969-8200 Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net - Original Message - From: Mark McElvy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 1:29 PM Subject: [WISPA] Rebooting WRAP AP I have a WRAP board with two radios (CM-9 for BH and WLM54G for AP) running Mikrotik. It appears that when the temp drops close to freezing it restarts. Last night it restarted 3 times between midnight and 8AM. It did the same thing a week or so ago a couple of cold nights but since the nights have warmed it has been fine. In an effort to fix, I planned on just replacing the WRAP and the two radios, reusing the CF with the OS on it. Two questions, have other folks seen cold weather reboots and how safe am I assuming the CF is not the problem? Mark McElvy AccuBak Data Systems, Inc. 573.729.9200 - Office 573.729.9203 - Fax 573.247.9980 - Mobile http://www.accubak.com/ http://www.accubak.net/ Nationwide Internet Access Accurate backups for your critical data! This electronic communication (including any attached document) may contain privileged and/or confidential information. This communication is intended only for the use of indicated e-mail addressees. If you are not an intended recipient of this communication, please be advised that any disclosure, dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this communication or any attached document is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and promptly destroy all electronic and printed copies of this communication and any attached document. Unauthorized interception of this e-mail is a violation of federal criminal law. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] WISP Job Openings
Vistabeam is a WISP operation based in Scottsbluff, Nebraska, with 1000+ customers and 500 miles of wireless backbone covering 40,000 square miles in Wyoming, Nebraska, South Dakota and Colorado. We currently have openings for two positions, Lead Tech and Technical Support Specialist. Descriptions are found below. If interested, please send a resume to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Direct any questions to me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Matt Larsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Lead Tech* *Salary and benefits:* $25-$40k salary (dependent on experience), 2 weeks vacation and 3 days sick pay, company vehicle, health insurance, cell phone, internet connection. *Primary job responsibilities:* Management and maintenance of network and network equipment; Management of tech support processes; Management of tech support personnel; Last resort technical support; Management of outsourced installers. *Overall expectation of duties and initiatives:* /Equipment:/ Design, support and enforce equipment and inventory processes for network hardware, installer hardware, and customer premise equipment;Work with office manager on inventory maintenance, RMAs, equipment ordering, and equipment inventory. /Technical Support: / Support and enforce technical support processes for customer telephone and on-site tech support; // Support and enforce technical support processes for installs, including installer telephone, on-site, and customer account/equipment programming; Lead support technician for installers and customers. /Network:/ Chiefly responsible for primary network build-out and maintenance, including tower climbing, network monitoring, and network equipment decision-making, management, and maintenance. This will require relocating to the Scottsbluff, NE area. *Technical Support Specialist * *Salary and benefits*: $7-$13 hourly (depending on experience). Cell phone, Internet connection. Health Insurance, vacation and sick pay available after 90 days employment. *Primary job responsibilities*: Identifying, analyzing and fixing “faults” which prevent users from connecting to the Internet. Assistance as required to Lead Tech and Customer Accounts Manager. *Overall expectation of duties and initiatives:* * Telephone, face-to-face, and email support * Responding to pre- and post-sales technical questions and sales questions * Resolving customers' issues promptly and accurately * Following-up with customers to confirm successful resolution of problems * Helping customers to install, configure, and troubleshoot their Internet connection * Investigating customers' network issues * Inform clients on status of issues with network This will require relocating to the Scottsbluff, NE area. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] WISP Job Openings
Anyone needing a remote engineer? Part-Time/Full Time, or Monthly allotment? Dennis Burgess, MCP, CCNA, A+, N+, Mikrotik Certified [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.2kwireless.com 2K Wireless provides high-speed internet access, along with network consulting for WISPs, and business's with a focus on TCP/IP networking, security, and Mikrotik routers. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 3:58 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WISPA] WISP Job Openings Vistabeam is a WISP operation based in Scottsbluff, Nebraska, with 1000+ customers and 500 miles of wireless backbone covering 40,000 square miles in Wyoming, Nebraska, South Dakota and Colorado. We currently have openings for two positions, Lead Tech and Technical Support Specialist. Descriptions are found below. If interested, please send a resume to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Direct any questions to me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Matt Larsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Lead Tech* *Salary and benefits:* $25-$40k salary (dependent on experience), 2 weeks vacation and 3 days sick pay, company vehicle, health insurance, cell phone, internet connection. *Primary job responsibilities:* Management and maintenance of network and network equipment; Management of tech support processes; Management of tech support personnel; Last resort technical support; Management of outsourced installers. *Overall expectation of duties and initiatives:* /Equipment:/ Design, support and enforce equipment and inventory processes for network hardware, installer hardware, and customer premise equipment;Work with office manager on inventory maintenance, RMAs, equipment ordering, and equipment inventory. /Technical Support: / Support and enforce technical support processes for customer telephone and on-site tech support; // Support and enforce technical support processes for installs, including installer telephone, on-site, and customer account/equipment programming; Lead support technician for installers and customers. /Network:/ Chiefly responsible for primary network build-out and maintenance, including tower climbing, network monitoring, and network equipment decision-making, management, and maintenance. This will require relocating to the Scottsbluff, NE area. *Technical Support Specialist * *Salary and benefits*: $7-$13 hourly (depending on experience). Cell phone, Internet connection. Health Insurance, vacation and sick pay available after 90 days employment. *Primary job responsibilities*: Identifying, analyzing and fixing faults which prevent users from connecting to the Internet. Assistance as required to Lead Tech and Customer Accounts Manager. *Overall expectation of duties and initiatives:* * Telephone, face-to-face, and email support * Responding to pre- and post-sales technical questions and sales questions * Resolving customers' issues promptly and accurately * Following-up with customers to confirm successful resolution of problems * Helping customers to install, configure, and troubleshoot their Internet connection * Investigating customers' network issues * Inform clients on status of issues with network This will require relocating to the Scottsbluff, NE area. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WISP Job Openings
Scottsbluff Nebraska isn't remote enough for you?! :) Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Dennis Burgess - 2K Wireless wrote: Anyone needing a remote engineer? Part-Time/Full Time, or Monthly allotment? Dennis Burgess, MCP, CCNA, A+, N+, Mikrotik Certified [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.2kwireless.com 2K Wireless provides high-speed internet access, along with network consulting for WISPs, and business's with a focus on TCP/IP networking, security, and Mikrotik routers. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Sprint / Nextel to use 900mz for iDen
Jack, Its all clear now, thanks! I doubt that the $125 filters that I used are still available at that price; remember that was 14 years ago Darn time passes fast doesn't it? rflink's filter at $325, tower mountable, sounds like a winning solution, that I need to try. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Jack Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 10:56 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sprint / Nextel to use 900mz for iDen Tom, Please see my answers inline, below. Tom DeReggi wrote: Jack, That is helpful information, and helps explain the situation, thank you. However, I'm not sure that I understand how the response answers my primary confusion, how to tell whether the interference is caused by me or them. Inserting a filter inline, will of course tell me if my interference can or can not be cured with a bandpass filter. Whether it was the other party bleeding outside of its channels, or power overloading my receiver, the bandpass filter would help reduce either problem, wouldn't it? If a paging transmitter is transmitting spurious signals down below 928 MHz, a bandpass filter won't help but if the paging system is NOT transmitting off-frequency but is overloading your receiver then the bandpass filter WILL help. (reduction of power and reduction of bandwidth bleedover). So what it sounds like is, an installer should always have a filter on-hand to insert and test with at time of installation, to see if it helps? That's a good idea. The installer should check throughput from a distant client with and without the filter. Basically meaning, who cares who the culprit is, if their is a way to just cure the problem. Knowing the culprit is important in order to troubleshoot the problem cost effectively; per my previous (and above) explanations. Again, if the paging system is transmitting outside it's authorized frequency band, the bandpass filter will NOT help. Where my question specifically related to Trango was Many Trango users had installed filters to try and stop the interference from paging companies, and it did not help. Using the correct type of bandpass filter is also important. There are narrow-band (single channel) filters and whole-band (902-928 MHz) filters. I don't know what type of filters the many Trango installers tried so I'm unable to provide further insight into why they got the results they did. Normally, this makes no sense, because in theory the filters would always help. One of Trango's benefits were that it in fact had quality 900 filters installed already to help reduce interference. It is one of the features that it had above Canopy, Waverider, and OEM wifi products. Maybe the internal filters weren't good enough to reduce the overloading. And its not always cheap, to find out wether the filter would help. It sometimes means making a second climb to 500 feet, or bringing power up 500feet for the test, that did not yet have Coax or a second DC power feed. Not difficult to do, but clearly an added cost for something that may or may not improve above what Trango already has built-in, based on other's experience. Unfortunately, there's no easy way to predict if a filter will help - other than trying it. It would help to do an interference survey before selecting a tower site. If there is a 929 MHz paging transmitter on a tower (an the interference survey) would reveal this, then it is wise to: 1. Stay as far away as possible on that tower, or 2. Don't go on that tower, or 3. Plan to use a good bandpass or cavity filter. This is just applying basic engineering skills and/or good common sense. What would be interesting is learning more about the filter that you previously procured and/or how to make them. At $125 each, I'd have a slew of them laying around for using on the fly. At $125, it would be cheap enough to istall on every CPE radio as well, if needed. But I haven't found them for less than $450, and they typically had closer to 3 db power reduction on their spec sheets. And is it possible to build a passive Filter that does not require additional electric power? I doubt that the $125 filters that I used are still available at that price; remember that was 14 years ago. Here is a much better filter that is available today and it even has an outdoor weatherproof case. http://www.rflinx.com/products/filters/900/bpfx/ Bandpass filters are passive. They do not require electical power. Also, it's likely a waste of money (as I mentioned earlier) to use these on the CPE end unless the CPE end is close to a cell tower or paging tower. These bandpass filters are most needed on the AP - if the AP is near (or on) a cell/paging tower. jack Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Jack Unger
Re: [WISPA] FREE OSS and Billing Software for WiSPS
I don;t know... It sounds like its probably a really good solution for someone who needs something for the WISP industry, and doesn't have anything now, or with a smaller number of subs starting out. There really are very few options out there that cover WISP's needs. My negative comment is... Its probably a smart system only based on past history needs, apposed to next generation needs. For someone that already has money involved in infrastructure, they are going to want a system that is addressing tommorrows needs. Realization that inforcing rigit rules and structures no longer work. How are partner relationships managed? How is billing done when most high ARPU business's demand paper billing? How is bandwdith management done when just limiting a single backhaul connection is no longer the requirement, and smarter things are needed like roaming policies, QOS, Labeling, Latency guarantees, nested/layered cell sites, MPLS type stuff, tracking dissimilar network equipmentthat gets deployed differently, etc.. I think this system will do exactly what it represents, help a WISP get started, so they can concentrate on selling, operate more efficiently, and track their progress for better obtaining funding, during the early years. But as soon as someone starts to scale, they are going to realize how they need to make their own custom solution because whats available isn't going to cut it, and its going to be cost jsutified to put complete solutions in place. I guess my point is, even the best solutions are not good enough. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Butch Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 12:14 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] FREE OSS and Billing Software for WiSPS On Sun, 29 Oct 2006, Charles Wu wrote: We failed miserably as a WISP, but now we'll apply our know-how and help you succeed ??? Where did you get this impression? P.S. Looking at their web site, they look like a Tranzeo reseller Ahhh...I see why you said that... -- Butch Evans Network Engineering and Security Consulting 573-276-2879 http://www.butchevans.com/ Mikrotik Certified Consultant (http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html) -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FREE OSS and Billing Software for WiSPS
Inline Tom DeReggi wrote: I don;t know... It sounds like its probably a really good solution for someone who needs something for the WISP industry, and doesn't have anything now, or with a smaller number of subs starting out. There really are very few options out there that cover WISP's needs. So I'm not crazy. Unless we both are. Either way I thought this system needed some looking into. My negative comment is... Its probably a smart system only based on past history needs, apposed to next generation needs. For someone that already has money involved in infrastructure, they are going to want a system that is addressing tommorrows needs. Realization that inforcing rigit rules and structures no longer work. How are partner relationships managed? How is billing done when most high ARPU business's demand paper billing? This is something I don't get. What is the difference between me generating the bill, emailing it out, and them printing it.vsme generating the bill...me printing it outletting snail mail pick it up. It's the same. Both times it is generated, printed, and mailed. I don't paper bill. I just tell them to push print. How is bandwdith management done when just limiting a single backhaul connection is no longer the requirement, and smarter things are needed like roaming policies, QOS, Labeling, Latency guarantees, nested/layered cell sites, MPLS type stuff, tracking dissimilar network equipmentthat gets deployed differently, etc.. I think this system will do exactly what it represents, help a WISP get started, so they can concentrate on selling, operate more efficiently, and track their progress for better obtaining funding, during the early years. But as soon as someone starts to scale, If a WISP were mostly residential, what is a guesstimate of the number of subs one would have at the starts to scale time? they are going to realize how they need to make their own custom solution because whats available isn't going to cut it, and its going to be cost jsutified to put complete solutions in place. I guess my point is, even the best solutions are not good enough. It is hard to believe we are all so different in our operations. Is there not something available somewhere out there that would work for most? How can we get anything done as an industry in we all have to invent our own wheel from scratch. Well, I hope it is obvious that I need a WISP services service, because I do. The things that scares me about dboss services is it's not mine. It'd be nice to be able to have some program that does all the WISP services but is installed on my server in my data center and only I have access. That way no one can mess it up for me and no one can keep me out. Brian Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Butch Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 12:14 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] FREE OSS and Billing Software for WiSPS On Sun, 29 Oct 2006, Charles Wu wrote: We failed miserably as a WISP, but now we'll apply our know-how and help you succeed ??? Where did you get this impression? P.S. Looking at their web site, they look like a Tranzeo reseller Ahhh...I see why you said that... -- Butch Evans Network Engineering and Security Consulting 573-276-2879 http://www.butchevans.com/ Mikrotik Certified Consultant (http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html) -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FREE OSS and Billing Software for WiSPS
Brian Rohrbacher wrote: This is something I don't get. What is the difference between me generating the bill, emailing it out, and them printing it.vsme generating the bill...me printing it outletting snail mail pick it up. It's the same. Both times it is generated, printed, and mailed. I don't paper bill. I just tell them to push print. There are whole business processes with checks and balances surrounding paper bills. There are no such processes for electronic bills in most firms. If the revenue is worth your while you will send a paper bill. It is hard to believe we are all so different in our operations. Is there not something available somewhere out there that would work for most? How can we get anything done as an industry in we all have to invent our own wheel from scratch. Well, I hope it is obvious that I need a WISP services service, because I do. The things that scares me about dboss services is it's not mine. It'd be nice to be able to have some program that does all the WISP services but is installed on my server in my data center and only I have access. That way no one can mess it up for me and no one can keep me out. Actually, most WISPs are quite different from one another since most have never scaled to the point where they have documented, standardized, repeatable processes. Most have one or more experts that keep the whole thing together. The few operators who have scaled (we haven't) probably already have most of the systems in place they need (we do). Therefore, the market is small WISPs who don't have much money in the first place and tend to have NIH syndrome. As a former software guy I can tell you that such a market isn't very attractive. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FREE OSS and Billing Software for WiSPS
Matt Liotta wrote: Brian Rohrbacher wrote: This is something I don't get. What is the difference between me generating the bill, emailing it out, and them printing it.vsme generating the bill...me printing it outletting snail mail pick it up. It's the same. Both times it is generated, printed, and mailed. I don't paper bill. I just tell them to push print. There are whole business processes with checks and balances surrounding paper bills. There are no such processes for electronic bills in most firms. If the revenue is worth your while you will send a paper bill. I guess I'm just lucky enough to find someone in the billing department who will print it. It is hard to believe we are all so different in our operations. Is there not something available somewhere out there that would work for most? How can we get anything done as an industry in we all have to invent our own wheel from scratch. Well, I hope it is obvious that I need a WISP services service, because I do. The things that scares me about dboss services is it's not mine. It'd be nice to be able to have some program that does all the WISP services but is installed on my server in my data center and only I have access. That way no one can mess it up for me and no one can keep me out. Actually, most WISPs are quite different from one another since most have never scaled to the point where they have documented, standardized, repeatable processes. Most have one or more experts that keep the whole thing together. The few operators who have scaled (we haven't) probably already have most of the systems in place they need (we do). Therefore, the market is small WISPs who don't have much money in the first place and tend to have NIH syndrome. As a former software guy I can tell you that such a market isn't very attractive. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FREE OSS and Billing Software for WiSPS
Brian Rohrbacher wrote: I guess I'm just lucky enough to find someone in the billing department who will print it. For the customers that we bill more than $2000 per month only about 10% will accept an electronic bill. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
