[WISPA] Venice Project would break many users' ISP conditions

[Dawn DiPietro]

Venice Project would break many users' ISP conditions

OUT-LAW News, 03/01/2007

Internet television system The Venice Project could break users' monthly 
internet bandwith limits in hours, according to the team behind it.


It downloads 320 megabytes (MB) per hour from users' computers, meaning 
that users could reach their monthly download limits in hours and that 
it could be unusable for bandwidth-capped users.


The Venice Project is the new system being developed by Janus Friis and 
Niklas Zennström, the Scandinavian entrepreneurs behind the 
revolutionary services Kazaa and Skype. It is currently being used by 
6,000 beta testers and is due to be launched next year.


The data transfer rate is revealed in the documentation sent to beta 
testers and the instructions make it very clear what the bandwidth 
requirements are so that users are not caught out.


Under a banner saying 'Important notice for users with limits on their 
internet usage', the document says: "The Venice Project is a streaming 
video application, and so uses a relatively high amount of bandwidth per 
hour. One hour of viewing is 320MB downloaded and 105 Megabytes 
uploaded, which means that it will exhaust a 1 Gigabyte cap in 10 hours. 
Also, the application continues to run in the background after you close 
the main window."


"For this reason, if you pay for your bandwidth usage per megabyte or 
have your usage capped by your ISP, you should be careful to always exit 
the Venice Project client completely when you are finished watching it," 
says the document


Many ISPs offer broadband connections which are unlimited to use by 
time, but have limits on the amount of data that can be transferred over 
the connection each month. Though limits are 'advisory' and not strict, 
users who regularly far exceed the limits break the terms of their deals.


BT's most basic broadband package BT Total Broadband Package 1, for 
example, has a 2GB monthly 'usage guideline'. This would be reached 
after 20 hours of viewing.


The software is also likely to transfer data even when not being used. 
The Venice system is going to run on a peer-to-peer (P2P) network, which 
means that users host and send the programmes to other users in an 
automated system.


OUT-LAW has seen screenshots from the system and talked to one of the 
testers of it, who reports very favourably on its use. "This is going to 
be the one. I've used some of the other software out there and it's 
fine, but my dad could use this, they've just got it right," he said. 
"It looks great, you fire it up and in two minutes you're live, you're 
watching television."


The source said that claims being made for the system being "near high 
definition" in terms of picture quality are wide of the mark. "It's not 
high definition. It's the same as normal television," he said.

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[WISPA] more USWO

[Peter R.]

http://louisville.bizjournals.com/louisville/stories/2007/01/08/story6.html?t=printable

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Re: [WISPA] Optimally taking advantage of GB Ethernet

[Peter R.]

1GB Fiber is typically using Packet over SONET.
I have typically seen over 500 mbps on these links, even from Telcove/L3.
But the distance is usually a factor.
Running from NoLa to ATL on a long-haul, single hop 1GB fiber run 
introduces lots of regen issues, so 500 mbps would be a blessing. 


Most people don't need as much pipe as they buy either.

- Peter


Tom DeReggi wrote:

I do not believe that people like ATT&T are passing over 200mbps on 
their GB Ethernet fiber links, when they are using them as backbones 
or extensions to existing customer's connection, for the reason I 
brought up.   I just don't think that the end user custoemr base is 
smart enough to know the difference.


Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
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[WISPA] Agreement Announced on San Francisco Wireless Network

[Dawn DiPietro]

Agreement Announced on San Francisco Wireless Network
January 5, 2007 News Release
"Today, EarthLink and the City of San Francisco reached agreement on the 
terms of the contract to build a citywide wireless network," said Donald 
Berryman, executive vice president of EarthLink.


"This agreement catapults San Francisco into a leadership position in 
wireless technology: the network ensures universal, affordable wireless 
broadband access for all San Franciscans, especially low-income and 
disadvantaged residents; and through the mayor's digital divide program, 
children and students will have the digital tools to ensure that they 
have access to everything that the Internet has to offer the growing 
minds of the city's promising future.


"Other advantages of having a citywide wireless network include 
improving the efficiency of the city's government; stimulating private 
investment into developing tools and applications to take advantage of 
wireless technology, and providing more consumer choice and competition 
for broadband services than what exists today in the marketplace.


"We look forward to working with the Board of Supervisors to gain 
approval of the agreement so we can begin building out the network in 2007."


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[WISPA] COMMUNICATIONS SYSTEMS IN CARS: Ford aims to raise bar with Sync

[Dawn DiPietro]

COMMUNICATIONS SYSTEMS IN CARS: Ford aims to raise bar with Sync

January 7, 2007

BY SARAH A. WEBSTER

FREE PRESS BUSINESS WRITER

"Hello? ... Can you hear me now?"

Wake up, users of OnStar, MyGIG and their electronic brothers and sisters.

According to Microsoft Corp. and Ford Motor Co. -- which are expected 
today to launch a new Sync software based on Microsoft Auto for cars -- 
you're all in danger of being out-of-date.


The system, to be launched in the redesigned 2008 Ford Focus that hits 
showrooms this fall, represents a new frontier in infotainment and 
communications systems in vehicles.


Sync will provide one centralized, wireless, voice-operated system for 
phone calls, digital music, text messaging and other everyday computer 
functions.


Ford, which has the exclusive right to the technology through the end of 
2008, plans to put the system in 12 vehicles, starting with 2008 models. 
The models are the Ford Focus, Fusion, Five Hundred, Edge, Freestyle, 
Explorer and Sport Trac; Mercury Milan, Montego and Mountaineer, and 
Lincoln MKX and MKZ.


Company officials say it's an option likely to cost less than $1,000 -- 
about the going price for a new high performance desktop computer.


Ford said consumers will no longer have to worry whether their cell 
phones, music players and other computer devices are compatible, because 
Sync will integrate them all seamlessly.


Sync connects with a mobile phone in the car, using Blue-tooth or 
digital music devices -- either wirelessly, through a USB port or 
auxiliary input jack -- so that consumers can access and interact with 
all their information.


Using voice commands or the vehicles' steering wheel or radio controls, 
consumers will be able to talk on the phone, play music or even have 
their text messages read to them.


Among the über-cool functions, Sync:

• Will play personal ring tones.

• Is fluent in English, French and Spanish.

• Will read inbound text messages through the sound system, and can even 
translate common text slang, such as "LOL" and the smiley-face emoticon.


The system is also upgradable, to support the devices and technology of 
the future.


The new Sync technology might mean the extinction of CD players and the 
few tape decks still left in cars today.


More important, though, Sync substantially ups the ante in the 
electronic war going on in cars and trucks worldwide.


Recently, Ford had been criticized for not offering satellite radio in 
its vehicles, such as Sirius or XM, or even Blue-tooth in its 2007 Ford 
Edge.


Other competitors have offered a variety of new technologies to assist 
and please drivers. General Motors Corp. has its safety-oriented OnStar 
system. DaimlerChrysler AG offers a MyGIG in-dash hard drive storage 
system. Just last week, Hughes Telematics and DaimlerChrysler also 
teamed up to develop a new system.


Ford has now at least caught up to these efforts -- if not surpassed them.

And, Sync will finally tell Ford customers: "We can hear you now."
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RE: [WISPA] Optimally taking advantage of GB Ethernet

[Jeff Broadwick]

 
Hi Tom,

Comments inline below:

> The problem is that most Internet and subscriber traffic is using a
1500MTU or smaller frame.  So in theory, its would be just as efficient and
fast to bond two 100 mbps fiber connections than it would to buy 1- 1GB
fiber connection.

No, it wouldn't be.

> So the question is How do we most efficiently use 1GB fiber to get the
advantage of the full 1GB of capacity?

Simple: Install hardware that can pass 1 Gbps.

> Do we need to use some sort of packet agreegation/stuffing technology?

No.

> Is GB etherner pointless for Internet transit backbones?

No.

> Is GB just good for high capacity Transports, recognizing that routers
will likely split traffic to different smaller bandwidth peers?

No.

> Is there a special router or router feature used to solve this problem?

No.  No special features or hardware are necessary.

> Is that method available to Linux?

Yes, though Linux is designed for SERVER performance, so a stock kernel will
likely also present some other bottlenecks.

> The reason I ask is several fold.  In a network design where all traffic
flows to a single source (for example many 100mbps baclhauls to remote areas
to 1 central data center), it would be beneficial  because the cost of 1 big
1GB pipe could be shared to deliver capacity to everything, better apt to
handle peak traffic and get higher oversubscription rates.   However, if teh
GB INternet pipe can not be efficiently used, this method would be severally
flawed. It might be better to have multipel 100mvps transit connections
spread out across one's network, so there was a shorter path to transit, and
the network's bandwdith spread out amungst multiple 100mbps transit
connection, for better over all throughput.  In other words, in a 10 city
network, 1- 100mbps pipe in each of teh 10 cities would allow a full
combined 1 gbps of Internet transit, where as agregating 100mbps from each
city to one central source where their was a single 1GB transit, would
result in only a 200mbps throughput, assuming traffic was delivered to it as
a 1500 MTU. 

> Any feedback?

> Take note that my comment that a 1500MTU frame 1 Gbps Ethernet card could
only pass 200kbps was based on some lab tests.

The solution is simply a hardware upgrade for starters.  A 32-bit/33 MHz bus
will top out around 200 Mbps.  If you look for a bus with higher speed
slots, you can triple your throughput without adjusting ANYTHING in your
Linux kernel.

If you want wirespeed GigE performance with multiple packet streams at a
more reasonable packet size (remember that 1500 byte packets aren't
realistic), you'll need to make some adjustments to the kernel.

> With the 1500MTU frame acheiving only 200kbps, our routers CPU utilization
was less than 20%, so it was not a saturated router.

Actually, it is.  Utilities top and vmstat don't necessarily reflect all of
the CPU utilization, and can't account for PCI bus contention/overhead.

> The second we changed MTU to 9600, we got over 800 mbps, and CPU
utilization was still very low, forget exact number but under 40%.

Well, sure...you've just taken your packet rate down significantly.  You
still have bus overhead and the limitations of a 32/33 bus (1 Gbps burst
capacity).

Regards,

Jeff



Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband 

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RE: [WISPA] Dual-WAN routers

[Jeff Broadwick]

Great points Butch!

There are products out there that claim "load balancing" and "failover", but
there is only one way to do both, and that is through bonding.  Bonding
requires that the circuits be terminated in one router on your end and one
router on the provider end. 

The only true failover with multiple providers is BGP, although there are
companies claiming otherwise on that also.  BGP does nothing for load
balancing.

Jeff


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On Sat, 6 Jan 2007, David E. Smith wrote:

>> This is for the end user cpe side. I'd like to see both fail-over and 
>> load balancing but fail-over is priority. No need for wireless. I'll 
>> look into the microtik. Thanks! -RickG

Rick, keeping in mind that "load balancing" where you don't control both
ends of both links is not truly possible, there is a way to SORT OF get this
effect.  The problem is that some things have to be treated in a special way
when you are using NAT (actually, masquerade, but we won't go there).  VoIP,
P2P, VPN and a few others come to mind.  Either way, there are some things
you can do to make this work with MT, and it's not that hard, but it IS a
bit time consuming to get it right.

As for failover, there are several ways to do this, and some of them are
pretty simple.  A bit of scripting knowledge is required, but other than
that, it is not that bad to do.  There are some examples in the manual (as
David pointed out)

>Mikrotik RouterOS manual. In a pinch, I know we've got one or two 
>Mikrotik trainers on the list; you could get them to show you how to do 
>it. You only have to pay for it once, then you can just copy-and-paste 
>the configuration from there on out. :D

Well, copy/paste for policy routing is not really that cut and dried.  It is
best to understand what the policy states, then moving it to a new system is
not that hard.  As I said, it is somewhat time consuming to get it working,
however.

>Fair warning, I haven't used the RouterBoard 150 hardware I mentioned, 
>but most of their other hardware has treated me well, so I wouldn't 
>expect that board to be any different.

I like the 150...it is a very inexpensive solution for a low end router
(just $70 plus a case and powersupply).  The 153 is only $120 and you can
add radio cards.

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[WISPA] USWO

[Peter R.]

"2,500 business customers who generated over $3.5 million in unaudited 
gross revenue for US Wireless

in 2005."

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RE: [WISPA] Call me a PacMan (PacWireless)

[Marketing]

Thanks for the VERY nice comments Mac!  I have forwarded them on to our
entire team.  

I must say it is much easier to ship out gear than spend 24 hrs a day
working during Hurricane Katrina.  Our portion was very small in comparison
to your time and efforts in coordinating the effort.

Best Regards,

Ben Moore
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 I am under the notion that Pacific Wireless/Cush Craft is due some
recognition, serious back patting and an all around "ata boy - good job."

Some of us say Trango - some say Alvarion, some say StarOS and some of us
say MikroTik, but I think 90% of us all say PACWIRELESS! We dressed out
another water tower yesterday with the usual stuff for us which consists of
4 - 95* Hpol PacWireless sectors, 1 - 29dbi PacWireless 5.x grid, 1 -
PacWireless 32db dish w/radome and a PacWireless 12dbi w/3* electric down
tilt Omni for backup as well as 7 RB532A enclosed in (Naturally) 7
PacWireless hinged enclosures with (yes) 7 PacWireless lightening arrestors.

   When I pulled out my camera to document the install - - I realized all my
towers are dressed with GOBS of PacWireless antennas. On my 1.5 hour drive
home from that tower I started thinking "how many other manufacturers'
antennas do I have installed on my network?" Not counting the Trango dual
polarized there were a total of two other antennas that were not
PacWireless. 

My point is this - I buy PacWireless every time without ever giving quality
a thought as I have so much experience with Pacific Wireless Products in the
past that its never been a question. I have completely taken Pacific
Wireless for granted as I have never had an antenna bought from them that
gave me trouble. That is saying a lot in my book as I have to look and think
when ordering radios, SBC's, CPE...ETC. 

Ben - My hat is off to you and your Company! You have made it into my
Antenna "HALL OF FAME" and I am a true Pacific Wireless fan. Thanks for the
great products and keep up the good work. You have enabled so many of us to
build a fine network, offer multiple services over our infrastructure and
built in reliability as well as affordability! We will be looking at you to
keep up with "whatever" is new and fang dangled for the industry in the
future.

Thanks for ALL THAT DONATED HURRICANE GEAR TOO!!! It is ALL still up and
running today serving many on the Mississippi Gulf Coast.

THANKS!!


Mac Dearman
Maximum Access, LLC.
Rayville, La.
www.inetsouth.com
www.radioresponse.org (Katrina relief)
www.mac-tel.us  (VoIP sales)
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[WISPA] sr5/wrap

[chris cooper]

Hi-

 

We have some wrap/sr5/mikrotik combinations to deploy.  We have bench
tested them and can only get them up to @ 300 mw. We can get 398 with
wrap/mikrotik using the sr2s.  Both are using the 18v poe.  Any ideas?

 

Thanks

Chris

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Re: [WISPA] Brad B, I got your answer on the pinout for BreezeACCESSVL

[Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181]

LOL  Too true.

I've read the first 4 books.  I re-read them the other day, sure was a lot 
funnier at 20 than at 40 though!


That's been one case where I thought that the movie was much better than the 
book.

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BreezeACCESSVL



That is the answer 42.  Most people don’t get it. (unless you have seen the
movie or read the book.

Sometimes on of the techs ask me a question, and I answer "42"  they don't
get it, and I just snicker to myself.  Thanks Butch!

Mike

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BreezeACCESSVL

On Fri, 5 Jan 2007, Patrick Leary wrote:


Sigh. I guess at 42 I qualify for "old man" to some of you
whipper-snappers!


42 is NOT OLD!  42 is the meaning to life, the universe and
everything! (and you're right there in it!)

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Re: [WISPA] Brad B, I got your answer on the pinout for BreezeACCESSVL

[Ryan Spott]

Heh,

Just use Google!



Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote, On 1/8/2007 9:33 AM:

LOL  Too true.

I've read the first 4 books.  I re-read them the other day, sure was a 
lot funnier at 20 than at 40 though!


That's been one case where I thought that the movie was much better 
than the book.

Marlon
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- Original Message - From: "Mike Delp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 3:14 PM
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BreezeACCESSVL



That is the answer 42.  Most people don’t get it. (unless you have 
seen the

movie or read the book.

Sometimes on of the techs ask me a question, and I answer "42"  they 
don't

get it, and I just snicker to myself.  Thanks Butch!

Mike

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Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 4:56 PM
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BreezeACCESSVL

On Fri, 5 Jan 2007, Patrick Leary wrote:


Sigh. I guess at 42 I qualify for "old man" to some of you
whipper-snappers!


42 is NOT OLD!  42 is the meaning to life, the universe and
everything! (and you're right there in it!)



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RE: [WISPA] Brad B, I got your answer on the pinout for BreezeACCESSVL

[CHUCK PROFITO]

#
Star Trek Related Sightings
# Episode of Star Trek, "Clues", Whoopi Goldberg is supposed to meet Patrick
Stewart on holo-deck 4 at 2 O'clock
# There are 42 decks on the Enterprise NCC1701-D (the Next Generation ship)
# In an episode of Star Trek Voyager, first aired on April 17, 1995, when
the ship enters a "nebulae / alien being", the density around the ship
increases 42%
# The Antimatter generator is on deck 42 --which, as any physicist will tell
you, is an impossibility. Proof that Starfleet is really using an Infinite
Improbability engine in their starships...
# In a Star Trek DS9 episode (the one with the alien lass in the wheelchair
due to gravitational differences), there's a conversation between Quark and
some sort of alien trader bloke that runs something like...

"How many rings have you got to sell?"
"Forty two."
"Forty two?"

# In the ST:TNG episode where Data is added to the trader's collection, the
tricyanate concentration in the water is 42 parts per million
# In the Star Trek episode 'The best of both worlds pt.2', the Enterprise is
chasing the Borg. At a certain point, Acting Captain Riker asks how long it
will take for the Borg to reach Earth. '27 minutes' is the reply. When he
asks how long it will take for the Enterprise, the answer is '42 minutes'
# In the movie "Star Trek: Generations" while Picard and Data are in stellar
cartography Picard asks, "How long until the energy ribbon enters this
sector?" The answer: "Approximately 42 hours"
# Episode 42 of Star trek:tng introduses the Borg
# Episode 42 of Deep Space 9 introduces the alternate universe.
# There is a British series called "4.2 Children"
Disney Related Sightings
# 42 is an address on a door in the queue line on Roger Rabbit ride in
Disneyland
# Disney is showing select audiences 42 minute clips of the new movie
"Crimson Tide" which is schedule for release on May 12, 1995
# At Disneyland in the ride "Alice in Wonderland", the little King says
"Remember Rule 42 ..." right after seeing the Queen of Hearts when she asks
you if you want to play croquet. This is also found in Lewis Carrol's Book
"Alice in Wonderland"
# Walt Disney's new waterpark, "Blizzard Beach" is built on 42 acres of land
# In the movie "Peter Pan", Copyright C 1955, When Captain Hook first sees
Peter, Wendy, and the boys coming into Never, Never Land and they are
standing on a cloud looking at the Island, Captain Hook relays the
coordinates to his pirate gunner: "...range 42"
# Disney is building a 300 million dollar hotel and amusement complex on
42nd street
# A binder for Donald Duck magazines is priced at NOK 42 

-Original Message-
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BreezeACCESSVL


Heh,

Just use Google!



Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote, On 1/8/2007 9:33 AM:
> LOL  Too true.
>
> I've read the first 4 books.  I re-read them the other day, sure was a
> lot funnier at 20 than at 40 though!
>
> That's been one case where I thought that the movie was much better
> than the book.
> Marlon
> (509) 982-2181   Equipment sales
> (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
> 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp!
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
> www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam
>
>
>
> - Original Message - From: "Mike Delp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
> Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 3:14 PM
> Subject: RE: [WISPA] Brad B, I got your answer on the pinout for
> BreezeACCESSVL
>
>
> That is the answer 42.  Most people don't get it. (unless you have
> seen the
> movie or read the book.
>
> Sometimes on of the techs ask me a question, and I answer "42"  they
> don't
> get it, and I just snicker to myself.  Thanks Butch!
>
> Mike
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> On Behalf Of Butch Evans
> Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 4:56 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: RE: [WISPA] Brad B, I got your answer on the pinout for 
> BreezeACCESSVL
>
> On Fri, 5 Jan 2007, Patrick Leary wrote:
>
>> Sigh. I guess at 42 I qualify for "old man" to some of you 
>> whipper-snappers!
>
> 42 is NOT OLD!  42 is the meaning to life, the universe and 
> everything! (and you're right there in it!)
>

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RE: [WISPA] Brad B, I got your answer on the pinout for BreezeACCESSVL

[Forbes Mercy]

I am officially in Geek Heaven, I didn't even know I died but I haven't checked 
my pulse for 42 minutes. :)

Forbes

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Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 10:10 AM
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#
Star Trek Related Sightings
# Episode of Star Trek, "Clues", Whoopi Goldberg is supposed to meet Patrick
Stewart on holo-deck 4 at 2 O'clock
# There are 42 decks on the Enterprise NCC1701-D (the Next Generation ship)
# In an episode of Star Trek Voyager, first aired on April 17, 1995, when
the ship enters a "nebulae / alien being", the density around the ship
increases 42%
# The Antimatter generator is on deck 42 --which, as any physicist will tell
you, is an impossibility. Proof that Starfleet is really using an Infinite
Improbability engine in their starships...
# In a Star Trek DS9 episode (the one with the alien lass in the wheelchair
due to gravitational differences), there's a conversation between Quark and
some sort of alien trader bloke that runs something like...

"How many rings have you got to sell?"
"Forty two."
"Forty two?"

# In the ST:TNG episode where Data is added to the trader's collection, the
tricyanate concentration in the water is 42 parts per million
# In the Star Trek episode 'The best of both worlds pt.2', the Enterprise is
chasing the Borg. At a certain point, Acting Captain Riker asks how long it
will take for the Borg to reach Earth. '27 minutes' is the reply. When he
asks how long it will take for the Enterprise, the answer is '42 minutes'
# In the movie "Star Trek: Generations" while Picard and Data are in stellar
cartography Picard asks, "How long until the energy ribbon enters this
sector?" The answer: "Approximately 42 hours"
# Episode 42 of Star trek:tng introduses the Borg
# Episode 42 of Deep Space 9 introduces the alternate universe.
# There is a British series called "4.2 Children"
Disney Related Sightings
# 42 is an address on a door in the queue line on Roger Rabbit ride in
Disneyland
# Disney is showing select audiences 42 minute clips of the new movie
"Crimson Tide" which is schedule for release on May 12, 1995
# At Disneyland in the ride "Alice in Wonderland", the little King says
"Remember Rule 42 ..." right after seeing the Queen of Hearts when she asks
you if you want to play croquet. This is also found in Lewis Carrol's Book
"Alice in Wonderland"
# Walt Disney's new waterpark, "Blizzard Beach" is built on 42 acres of land
# In the movie "Peter Pan", Copyright C 1955, When Captain Hook first sees
Peter, Wendy, and the boys coming into Never, Never Land and they are
standing on a cloud looking at the Island, Captain Hook relays the
coordinates to his pirate gunner: "...range 42"
# Disney is building a 300 million dollar hotel and amusement complex on
42nd street
# A binder for Donald Duck magazines is priced at NOK 42 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Ryan Spott
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 9:38 AM
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BreezeACCESSVL


Heh,

Just use Google!



Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote, On 1/8/2007 9:33 AM:
> LOL  Too true.
>
> I've read the first 4 books.  I re-read them the other day, sure was a
> lot funnier at 20 than at 40 though!
>
> That's been one case where I thought that the movie was much better
> than the book.
> Marlon
> (509) 982-2181   Equipment sales
> (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
> 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp!
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
> www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam
>
>
>
> - Original Message - From: "Mike Delp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
> Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 3:14 PM
> Subject: RE: [WISPA] Brad B, I got your answer on the pinout for
> BreezeACCESSVL
>
>
> That is the answer 42.  Most people don't get it. (unless you have
> seen the
> movie or read the book.
>
> Sometimes on of the techs ask me a question, and I answer "42"  they
> don't
> get it, and I just snicker to myself.  Thanks Butch!
>
> Mike
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> On Behalf Of Butch Evans
> Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 4:56 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: RE: [WISPA] Brad B, I got your answer on the pinout for 
> BreezeACCESSVL
>
> On Fri, 5 Jan 2007, Patrick Leary wrote:
>
>> Sigh. I guess at 42 I qualify for "old man" to some of you 
>> whipper-snappers!
>
> 42 is NOT OLD!  42 is the meaning to life, the universe and 
> everything! (and you're right there in it!)
>

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Re: [WISPA] Optimally taking advantage of GB Ethernet

[Tom DeReggi]

Jeff,

The solution is simply a hardware upgrade for starters.  A 32-bit/33 MHz 
bus

will top out around 200 Mbps.  If you look for a bus with higher speed
slots, you can triple your throughput without adjusting ANYTHING in your
Linux kernel.


Well thats where I disagree. And where I am looking for clarification.

We were NOT using systems with Buses limited to 32bit/33Mhz or Basic PCI.
The routers that we used for testing were using the Intel 7501 chipset, 
spec'd at allowing 3GB of throughput, and PCI-X Bus.


There are actually three potential limits...
1) Hardware
2) Software
3) Ethernet Protocol theoretical limit.

My understanding, although not confirmed, was that there was an Ethernet 
(cdma) timing Limitation, that prevented the Full 1GB from being reached 
using a < 1500MTU.


Myhardware can handle it. I'm investigating whether the limit is related to 
my Linux Software config versus Ethernet theoretical limits.



If you want wirespeed GigE performance with multiple packet streams at a
more reasonable packet size (remember that 1500 byte packets aren't
realistic), you'll need to make some adjustments to the kernel.


Well, thats my point... 1500MTU is a requirement that is usually beyond the 
control of the ISP. The ISP may may control the GB connection for Higher 
MTU, but NOT necessarily backend Transit or Front End last mile connections. 
The Internet is full of less than 384K average size packets, and not much an 
ISP can do about that.


Part of the question becomes, can near 1GB be acheived at 1500MTU?

With the 1500MTU frame acheiving only 200kbps, our routers CPU 
utilization

was less than 20%, so it was not a saturated router.

Actually, it is.  Utilities top and vmstat don't necessarily reflect all 
of

the CPU utilization, and can't account for PCI bus contention/overhead.


Excellent Point. Any way to tell that (FULL CPU utilization)?


The second we changed MTU to 9600, we got over 800 mbps, and CPU

utilization was still very low, forget exact number but under 40%.

Well, sure...you've just taken your packet rate down significantly.


The reason we thought this was an Ethernet limitation and not a CPU/hardware 
limitation is that, we were able to pass a larger speed by combining 
multiple 100 mbps connections.
For example, we were able to get 400 mbps with 4- 100mbps connections 
simultaneously.(didn't have more machines to test.)



You
still have bus overhead and the limitations of a 32/33 bus (1 Gbps burst
capacity).


Again, we were using PCI-X not limited in that way, to my understanding.

Does Image Stream have any data, from live tests, proving the speed they can 
get across their GB routers at < 1500 MTU?


Maybe thats a solution for us?

Tom DeReggi


Regards,

Jeff



Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband

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Re: [WISPA] Venice Project would break many users' ISP conditions

[Carl A jeptha]

I wonder if MT will be able to block it. Because right now I don't allow 
p2p or bit torrent on my network, and it is successfully blocked by MT.



You have a good day now,en mag jou more's ook so wees.

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skype cajeptha



Dawn DiPietro wrote:

Venice Project would break many users' ISP conditions

OUT-LAW News, 03/01/2007

Internet television system The Venice Project could break users' 
monthly internet bandwith limits in hours, according to the team 
behind it.


It downloads 320 megabytes (MB) per hour from users' computers, 
meaning that users could reach their monthly download limits in hours 
and that it could be unusable for bandwidth-capped users.


The Venice Project is the new system being developed by Janus Friis 
and Niklas Zennström, the Scandinavian entrepreneurs behind the 
revolutionary services Kazaa and Skype. It is currently being used by 
6,000 beta testers and is due to be launched next year.


The data transfer rate is revealed in the documentation sent to beta 
testers and the instructions make it very clear what the bandwidth 
requirements are so that users are not caught out.


Under a banner saying 'Important notice for users with limits on their 
internet usage', the document says: "The Venice Project is a streaming 
video application, and so uses a relatively high amount of bandwidth 
per hour. One hour of viewing is 320MB downloaded and 105 Megabytes 
uploaded, which means that it will exhaust a 1 Gigabyte cap in 10 
hours. Also, the application continues to run in the background after 
you close the main window."


"For this reason, if you pay for your bandwidth usage per megabyte or 
have your usage capped by your ISP, you should be careful to always 
exit the Venice Project client completely when you are finished 
watching it," says the document


Many ISPs offer broadband connections which are unlimited to use by 
time, but have limits on the amount of data that can be transferred 
over the connection each month. Though limits are 'advisory' and not 
strict, users who regularly far exceed the limits break the terms of 
their deals.


BT's most basic broadband package BT Total Broadband Package 1, for 
example, has a 2GB monthly 'usage guideline'. This would be reached 
after 20 hours of viewing.


The software is also likely to transfer data even when not being used. 
The Venice system is going to run on a peer-to-peer (P2P) network, 
which means that users host and send the programmes to other users in 
an automated system.


OUT-LAW has seen screenshots from the system and talked to one of the 
testers of it, who reports very favourably on its use. "This is going 
to be the one. I've used some of the other software out there and it's 
fine, but my dad could use this, they've just got it right," he said. 
"It looks great, you fire it up and in two minutes you're live, you're 
watching television."


The source said that claims being made for the system being "near high 
definition" in terms of picture quality are wide of the mark. "It's 
not high definition. It's the same as normal television," he said.

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RE: [WISPA] churn, double play and why WLP is key - I finally understand it

[Gino A. Villarini]

Back home...ahhh to bad when it ends...

Frankly , I don't know ... maybe has to due with the TDD system, next
firmware release should improve overall pps capacity

Gino A. Villarini
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Patrick Leary
Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 2:03 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: RE: [WISPA] churn,double play and why WLP is key - I finally
understand it

It does sound like a similar smart mechanism Gino -- I stand corrected.
If this is who I assume it is though, then why do they report such low
VoIP performance per SM and per AP? ...but don't answer any of this
until after you leave Vail. Better that you should just enjoy your
vacation. Sounds great.

Patrick

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 9:37 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] churn,double play and why WLP is key - I finally
understand it

Well, I haven't replied to this earlier cause Im on vacation (skiing @
Vail
) but now, let me add  some info...

I don't want to get involved in a gear fight, but a brand x gear has a
Per
Sector prioritization of traffic. It works like this:

You set the cpe to identify the traffic to be prioritized using
Diffserv, (
it can be any type of traffic not just voip)

Then you activate on the cpe the "high priority channel" option

Set how much bandwidth this "high priority channel" would use

And you are done,

The Sector AP identifies all the cpes on the sector using this feature
and
assings them a 2nd slot of time for this traffic for each cpe, so  cpe's
using this feature have 2 slots of time to talk to the ap, 1 for
priority
traffic, the other for regural traffic.  Sector wide , all high priority
channels of all cpes have "priority" over regular cpes...

So Patrick, what do you think



Gino A. Villarini
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Patrick Leary
Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 12:59 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: RE: [WISPA] churn,double play and why WLP is key - I finally
understand it

I don't think so Gino, but I'm open to be proven wrong. Tell me who else
can actually prioritize over the air sector wide. I'm talking about not
just pushing out the voice first on any given CPE, I'm talking about ALL
the CPE on a sector being able to send its que'd voice out before any
CPE can release data into the sector?

Patrick Leary
AVP WISP Markets
Alvarion, Inc.
o: 650.314.2628
c: 760.580.0080
Vonage: 650.641.1243
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 2:19 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] churn,double play and why WLP is key - I finally
understand it

Patrick, not to rain on you parade but you guys area actually 2nd on
this RF
prioritization feature

Gino A. Villarini
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Patrick Leary
Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 4:13 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] churn,double play and why WLP is key - I finally
understand
it

...So I'm here at our annual national meeting and our project manager is
explaining the Wireless Link Prioritization feature available for
BreezeACCESS VL. Frankly, it has always seemed esoteric to those of us
non-technical types, but now I got and it is simple enough.

First, I learned the statistical improvement in churn when a provider
has double play VoIP + data customers. We have had a few CLECs report to
us that with a single play model their churn is about 9%. Adding double
play takes it down to close to 1%. This is critical to the business
model because they said a 10% reduction in churn translates into about a
20% improvement in NPV per subscriber. That's obviously huge. So what's
the WLP feature available in BreezeACCESS VL have to do with any of
this?

BreezeACCESS VL can already do QoS priority tagging of packets per CPE
using layer 2 (802.11p), layer 3 (IP TOS, DSCP) or layer 4 (TCP/UDP port
ranges common with Cisco, for example). That's good and already better
than most brands of BWA gear. BUT, that's only PER CPE. In a typical
situation, this does not help at all when multiple CPE are on a sector
-- there is no prioritization at the RF level in unlicensed from any
brand...until now.

WLP (also called multimedia application prioritization) actually solves
this and enables over-the-air prioritization for the first time in the
industry. The translation for this is that BreezeACCESS VL can now
deliver massive VoIP, up to 288 concurrent calls pe

RE: [WISPA] churn, double play and why WLP is key - I finally understand it

[Patrick Leary]

Gino,

After you informed me of the way prioritization occurs in your solution,
I asked one of our sharp engineers to articulate the differences to me.
Here was his reply back and I'd be interested in your feedback:


The [prioritization mechanism in the] __ system is different than VL
in the way it is deployed and the way it will deploy a priority network.
With VL the bandwidth for the sector is totally dynamic, any direction
demand can utilize the entire capacity of the base station.  __
pre-defines the amount up and down to the sector.  Their implementation
of the prioritization is stated for DSCP only where we can do it also
for ToS.  I am not sure if that is unique but keep it in the back of
your head.  

Our WLP is also dynamic; where he stated that you specify the amount of
bandwidth for the priority channel, our can/will fluctuate every
microsecond during the communication.  This will also happen
independently in each direction.  Because there is a potential for over
subscription of prioritized traffic, VL also has an option to set aside
some bandwidth for best effort traffic incase the provider creates too
much prioritized traffic.  This prevents the FTP from a customer from
breaking during the high priority traffic times.  


Make sense?

Patrick Leary
AVP WISP Markets
Alvarion, Inc.
o: 650.314.2628
c: 760.580.0080
Vonage: 650.641.1243
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 4:24 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] churn,double play and why WLP is key - I finally
understand it

Back home...ahhh to bad when it ends...

Frankly , I don't know ... maybe has to due with the TDD system, next
firmware release should improve overall pps capacity

Gino A. Villarini
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Patrick Leary
Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 2:03 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: RE: [WISPA] churn,double play and why WLP is key - I finally
understand it

It does sound like a similar smart mechanism Gino -- I stand corrected.
If this is who I assume it is though, then why do they report such low
VoIP performance per SM and per AP? ...but don't answer any of this
until after you leave Vail. Better that you should just enjoy your
vacation. Sounds great.

Patrick

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 9:37 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] churn,double play and why WLP is key - I finally
understand it

Well, I haven't replied to this earlier cause Im on vacation (skiing @
Vail
) but now, let me add  some info...

I don't want to get involved in a gear fight, but a brand x gear has a
Per
Sector prioritization of traffic. It works like this:

You set the cpe to identify the traffic to be prioritized using
Diffserv, (
it can be any type of traffic not just voip)

Then you activate on the cpe the "high priority channel" option

Set how much bandwidth this "high priority channel" would use

And you are done,

The Sector AP identifies all the cpes on the sector using this feature
and
assings them a 2nd slot of time for this traffic for each cpe, so  cpe's
using this feature have 2 slots of time to talk to the ap, 1 for
priority
traffic, the other for regural traffic.  Sector wide , all high priority
channels of all cpes have "priority" over regular cpes...

So Patrick, what do you think



Gino A. Villarini
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Patrick Leary
Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 12:59 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: RE: [WISPA] churn,double play and why WLP is key - I finally
understand it

I don't think so Gino, but I'm open to be proven wrong. Tell me who else
can actually prioritize over the air sector wide. I'm talking about not
just pushing out the voice first on any given CPE, I'm talking about ALL
the CPE on a sector being able to send its que'd voice out before any
CPE can release data into the sector?

Patrick Leary
AVP WISP Markets
Alvarion, Inc.
o: 650.314.2628
c: 760.580.0080
Vonage: 650.641.1243
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 2:19 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] churn,double play and why WLP is key - I finally
understand it

Patrick, not to rain on you parade but you guys area actually 2nd on
this RF
prioritization feature

Gino A. Villarini
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL 

[WISPA] Linksys 6 line voip phone

[George Rogato]

http://www.linksys.com/servlet/Satellite?c=L_Promotion_C2&childpagename=US%2FLayout&cid=1162878004771&pagename=Linksys%2FCommon%2FVisitorWrapper

SPA962 - 6-Line IP Phone with Color Display

Looks interesting.
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Re: [WISPA] churn, double play and why WLP is key - I finally understand it

[Rich Comroe]

Patrick, I agree with your engineer's description.  But I'd argue the use of 
the word prioritization is incorrectly applied to Canopy.  Canopy doesn't 
prioritize VoIP.  Priority schemes infer media access preference.  Canopy's 
separate pre-allocated partitions have nothing to do with prioritization as 
VoIP and general traffic do not compete for a common partition (they each have 
their own).

VL uses prioritization (and uses the term correctly), as VoIP is given priority 
access (most likely by permitting access with a shorter time gap following 
other transmissions than general data ... thus VoIP grabs the media first).  If 
VL claims to be the first to implement a VoIP priority it only depends whether 
anyone else has implemented a true priority scheme already.  Canopy's is not a 
priority scheme in any sense of the term.  Prioritization has the clear 
advantage (no pun intended).  Canopy essentially divides the rf into 
subchannels which loses the ability to dynamically use the channel for 
in-vs-out, VoIP-vs-general, etc.  As the 3rd party testing described, the VoIP 
call volume cited could only be achieved in a VoIP-only configuration.  A true 
prioritization mechanism (such as embodied in VL) is far superior to 
pre-allocated partitions in so, so many ways.

Rich
  - Original Message - 
  From: Patrick Leary 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 6:57 PM
  Subject: RE: [WISPA] churn,double play and why WLP is key - I finally 
understand it


  Gino,

  After you informed me of the way prioritization occurs in your solution,
  I asked one of our sharp engineers to articulate the differences to me.
  Here was his reply back and I'd be interested in your feedback:

  
  The [prioritization mechanism in the] __ system is different than VL
  in the way it is deployed and the way it will deploy a priority network.
  With VL the bandwidth for the sector is totally dynamic, any direction
  demand can utilize the entire capacity of the base station.  __
  pre-defines the amount up and down to the sector.  Their implementation
  of the prioritization is stated for DSCP only where we can do it also
  for ToS.  I am not sure if that is unique but keep it in the back of
  your head.  

  Our WLP is also dynamic; where he stated that you specify the amount of
  bandwidth for the priority channel, our can/will fluctuate every
  microsecond during the communication.  This will also happen
  independently in each direction.  Because there is a potential for over
  subscription of prioritized traffic, VL also has an option to set aside
  some bandwidth for best effort traffic incase the provider creates too
  much prioritized traffic.  This prevents the FTP from a customer from
  breaking during the high priority traffic times.  
  

  Make sense?

  Patrick Leary
  AVP WISP Markets
  Alvarion, Inc.
  o: 650.314.2628
  c: 760.580.0080
  Vonage: 650.641.1243
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
  Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini
  Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 4:24 PM
  To: 'WISPA General List'
  Subject: RE: [WISPA] churn,double play and why WLP is key - I finally
  understand it

  Back home...ahhh to bad when it ends...

  Frankly , I don't know ... maybe has to due with the TDD system, next
  firmware release should improve overall pps capacity

  Gino A. Villarini
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
  tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
  Behalf Of Patrick Leary
  Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 2:03 PM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: RE: [WISPA] churn,double play and why WLP is key - I finally
  understand it

  It does sound like a similar smart mechanism Gino -- I stand corrected.
  If this is who I assume it is though, then why do they report such low
  VoIP performance per SM and per AP? ...but don't answer any of this
  until after you leave Vail. Better that you should just enjoy your
  vacation. Sounds great.

  Patrick

  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
  Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini
  Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 9:37 AM
  To: 'WISPA General List'
  Subject: RE: [WISPA] churn,double play and why WLP is key - I finally
  understand it

  Well, I haven't replied to this earlier cause Im on vacation (skiing @
  Vail
  ) but now, let me add  some info...

  I don't want to get involved in a gear fight, but a brand x gear has a
  Per
  Sector prioritization of traffic. It works like this:

  You set the cpe to identify the traffic to be prioritized using
  Diffserv, (
  it can be any type of traffic not just voip)

  Then you activate on the cpe the "high priority channel" option

  Set how much bandwidth this "high priority channel" would use

  And you are done,

  The Sector AP identifies all the cpes on the sector using this feature
  a

RE: [WISPA] Brad B, I got your answer on the pinout for BreezeACCESSVL

[CHUCK PROFITO]

I guess the rest haven't found their fish...

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Forbes Mercy
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 10:28 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Brad B, I got your answer on the pinout for
BreezeACCESSVL


I am officially in Geek Heaven, I didn't even know I died but I haven't
checked my pulse for 42 minutes. :)

Forbes

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of CHUCK PROFITO
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 10:10 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Brad B, I got your answer on the pinout for
BreezeACCESSVL

#
Star Trek Related Sightings
# Episode of Star Trek, "Clues", Whoopi Goldberg is supposed to meet Patrick
Stewart on holo-deck 4 at 2 O'clock
# There are 42 decks on the Enterprise NCC1701-D (the Next Generation ship)
# In an episode of Star Trek Voyager, first aired on April 17, 1995, when
the ship enters a "nebulae / alien being", the density around the ship
increases 42%
# The Antimatter generator is on deck 42 --which, as any physicist will tell
you, is an impossibility. Proof that Starfleet is really using an Infinite
Improbability engine in their starships...
# In a Star Trek DS9 episode (the one with the alien lass in the wheelchair
due to gravitational differences), there's a conversation between Quark and
some sort of alien trader bloke that runs something like...

"How many rings have you got to sell?"
"Forty two."
"Forty two?"

# In the ST:TNG episode where Data is added to the trader's collection, the
tricyanate concentration in the water is 42 parts per million
# In the Star Trek episode 'The best of both worlds pt.2', the Enterprise is
chasing the Borg. At a certain point, Acting Captain Riker asks how long it
will take for the Borg to reach Earth. '27 minutes' is the reply. When he
asks how long it will take for the Enterprise, the answer is '42 minutes'
# In the movie "Star Trek: Generations" while Picard and Data are in stellar
cartography Picard asks, "How long until the energy ribbon enters this
sector?" The answer: "Approximately 42 hours"
# Episode 42 of Star trek:tng introduses the Borg
# Episode 42 of Deep Space 9 introduces the alternate universe.
# There is a British series called "4.2 Children"
Disney Related Sightings
# 42 is an address on a door in the queue line on Roger Rabbit ride in
Disneyland
# Disney is showing select audiences 42 minute clips of the new movie
"Crimson Tide" which is schedule for release on May 12, 1995
# At Disneyland in the ride "Alice in Wonderland", the little King says
"Remember Rule 42 ..." right after seeing the Queen of Hearts when she asks
you if you want to play croquet. This is also found in Lewis Carrol's Book
"Alice in Wonderland"
# Walt Disney's new waterpark, "Blizzard Beach" is built on 42 acres of land
# In the movie "Peter Pan", Copyright C 1955, When Captain Hook first sees
Peter, Wendy, and the boys coming into Never, Never Land and they are
standing on a cloud looking at the Island, Captain Hook relays the
coordinates to his pirate gunner: "...range 42"
# Disney is building a 300 million dollar hotel and amusement complex on
42nd street
# A binder for Donald Duck magazines is priced at NOK 42 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Ryan Spott
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 9:38 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Brad B, I got your answer on the pinout for
BreezeACCESSVL


Heh,

Just use Google!



Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote, On 1/8/2007 9:33 AM:
> LOL  Too true.
>
> I've read the first 4 books.  I re-read them the other day, sure was a
> lot funnier at 20 than at 40 though!
>
> That's been one case where I thought that the movie was much better
> than the book.
> Marlon
> (509) 982-2181   Equipment sales
> (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
> 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp!
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
> www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam
>
>
>
> - Original Message - From: "Mike Delp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
> Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 3:14 PM
> Subject: RE: [WISPA] Brad B, I got your answer on the pinout for
> BreezeACCESSVL
>
>
> That is the answer 42.  Most people don't get it. (unless you have
> seen the
> movie or read the book.
>
> Sometimes on of the techs ask me a question, and I answer "42"  they
> don't
> get it, and I just snicker to myself.  Thanks Butch!
>
> Mike
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> On Behalf Of Butch Evans
> Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 4:56 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: RE: [WISPA] Brad B, I got your answer on the pinout fo

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