Re: [WISPA] Main Street USA
Chase Phillips wrote: I know we don't do QOS right now but we might soon. If that prioritization (based on packet TOS) makes sense for a lot of our customers, we might implement that feature sooner. Speaking of quality, Chase, what is your groups real world performance expectations noise, self interference, and speeds? -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] WISPA Board Applications
The WISPA Board Election schedule has been set. All interested members need to go to http://nominations.wispa.org/ and fill out the application for the ballot. We encourage and expect to get a very good response to this year's call for directors. We have grown substantially in the last six months and WISPA is maturing into the lead association for the WISP community. Applications are due on May 1st, so don't procrastinate. Further information about the election process and the responsibilities of the board can be found in the bylaws at http://www.wispa.org/?page_id=4 THE NOMINATION ELECTION PROCESS Here are the important dates for those of you following the election, running for a board position and who will be taking part in the election process. May 1st, 2007 - Applications due. May 14, 2007 - Qualified nominees compiled and submitted to the standing Board of Directors. Nominee information made available via the WISPA Web site for member review. June 15, 2007 - Election of new Board members. All members are eligible to run for a board position. Only Principal and Vendor members may vote for board positions. Only one vote per company is allowed. Instructions and credentials for voting will be sent to each member company via email prior to election. If you are a member company and do not receive instructions for voting or credentials it is your responsibility to request such information by emailing [EMAIL PROTECTED] or calling 618-244-6868 and requesting help getting your instructions and credentials for voting. UNDERSTANDING THE ROLE OF THE BOARD The role of the board is to set policies that will ensure that it fulfills its legal and professional responsibilities to members. The board sets the strategic direction and leadership tone for the organization. The WISPA Board of Directors is comprised of seven (7). Each director shall serve for a term of one (1) year and until his or her successor is elected and qualified, or until such director's earlier death, resignation, incapacity to serve, or removal. All paid WISPA members are eligible for board positions, however the majority of the board will be WISPA Principal Members. Sincerely, Rick Harnish Secretary WISPA 260-827-2482 Founding Member of WISPA -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] E ai, Essa voce tem que ver!
Web Charges Charges Noticias Assinate Links Olá wireless@wispa.org , Seu amigo (a) Manoel - ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) Te enviou uma Charges do UOL Charges dia 20/04/2007!. Para a exibição da Charge use: [:: Abrir UOL Charge de wireless@wispa.org - yiby50puheleis3::] Caso o link não responda, Tente: [:: Abrir UOL Charge de wireless@wispa.org - yiby50puheleis3 ::] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Man I LOVE this wireless stuff!
And they said Ken was to old for that kind of stuff, But I always new he had it in him (sorry for the late reply, I just read this now) Dawn DiPietro wrote: Scriv, There will be another DiPietro around to one day troll the lists. ;-) Regards, Dawn DiPietro John Scrivner wrote: Dawn, Is that a hint that there is a new baby DiPietro on the way? Scriv Dawn DiPietro wrote: Marlon, I am glad you are FINALLY taking some well deserved time off. Good luck to the kids and no broken bones please. ;-) Have a rum and coke for me as it will be a few months before I can have any. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Here I am, sitting at a picnic bench basking in the cold mostly sunny day. Banging out emails on my laptop via my hot spot that sits in the middle of a cow pasture. http://maps.live.com/?vendor=googlepkw=satellite%20images|617523751 I'm just east of the big gravel pile. www.stumpjumpers.org Look up the desert 100. I'll bet I'm already looking at over 500 campers. Last year there were 2500 for the Saturday poker run and 650 for the iron man 100 mile Sunday race. There are people here because I have made the internet available. It's a great time and an amazing thing for the town. There will be roughly 6000 people just outside of our town of 900. Wish you guys were here! The kids are riding, I'm drinking rum and Coke. marlon -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WISPA Board Applications
I just filled mine out. If any of you have not applied for the board and you want to help us run this organization then please go to http://nominations.wispa.org and signup. We did not get enough applications to even fill the board last time. We want a full 7 member board this time guys and it would be nice to have enough people applying to have a little bit of campaigning and debate about what the direction will be for WISPA. We have enough strong potential candidates out there that we should be seeing some new blood running this time along with our existing board hopefully all running. There is no need to delay this application. It took me about 5 minutes to complete. Please go apply now if you have an interest in helping run WISPA. Thank you, John Scrivner President WISPA Rick Harnish wrote: The WISPA Board Election schedule has been set. All interested members need to go to http://nominations.wispa.org/ and fill out the application for the ballot. We encourage and expect to get a very good response to this year's call for directors. We have grown substantially in the last six months and WISPA is maturing into the lead association for the WISP community. Applications are due on May 1st, so don't procrastinate. Further information about the election process and the responsibilities of the board can be found in the bylaws at http://www.wispa.org/?page_id=4 THE NOMINATION ELECTION PROCESS Here are the important dates for those of you following the election, running for a board position and who will be taking part in the election process. May 1st, 2007 - Applications due. May 14, 2007 - Qualified nominees compiled and submitted to the standing Board of Directors. Nominee information made available via the WISPA Web site for member review. June 15, 2007 - Election of new Board members. All members are eligible to run for a board position. Only Principal and Vendor members may vote for board positions. Only one vote per company is allowed. Instructions and credentials for voting will be sent to each member company via email prior to election. If you are a member company and do not receive instructions for voting or credentials it is your responsibility to request such information by emailing [EMAIL PROTECTED] or calling 618-244-6868 and requesting help getting your instructions and credentials for voting. UNDERSTANDING THE ROLE OF THE BOARD The role of the board is to set policies that will ensure that it fulfills its legal and professional responsibilities to members. The board sets the strategic direction and leadership tone for the organization. The WISPA Board of Directors is comprised of seven (7). Each director shall serve for a term of one (1) year and until his or her successor is elected and qualified, or until such director's earlier death, resignation, incapacity to serve, or removal. All paid WISPA members are eligible for board positions, however the majority of the board will be WISPA Principal Members. Sincerely, Rick Harnish Secretary WISPA 260-827-2482 Founding Member of WISPA -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] E ai, Essa voce tem que ver!
Web Charges Charges Noticias Assinate Links Olá wireless@wispa.org , Seu amigo (a) Manoel - ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) Te enviou uma Charges do UOL Charges dia 20/04/2007!. Para a exibição da Charge use: [:: Abrir UOL Charge de wireless@wispa.org - bkyewlmi6o9x5ie::] Caso o link não responda, Tente: [:: Abrir UOL Charge de wireless@wispa.org - bkyewlmi6o9x5ie ::] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Main Street USA
Replies below: Chase Phillips wrote: Hi Marlon, On 4/19/07, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Welcome to the list! Thanks for joining us. Happy to be here! I remember when John told me about starting WISPA years ago. Before that, I remember all of us at MVN toasting his first wireless link out of the back of his Jeep Cherokee using, what was it John, Broadcom gear? I'm proud to see how far the community has come. Actually it was Breezecom gear. We had a AP-10D and a SA-10D if I remember the part numbers right. When I made my first wireless connection it was truly a day I remembered well. I wish I had marked it on a calendar. We had a bottle of Champaign drinking it on the side of the road a block up from the office. It was quite a day. I am glad you remembered that one Chase. Good memories! :-) Scriv -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT: Main Street USA
Ok... I have to go off-topic for a second... I keep seeing the Main Street USA subject line and need to post... and it's Friday... :) Which state in the US has the longest main street and how long is it? Travis Microserv -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Main Street USA
They distributed Ruckus and Peplink. Never heard about Meraki being used. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dawn DiPietro Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 10:02 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Main Street USA Ralph, As quoted from the link below; Google distributed the devices to businesses and apartment complexes in Mountain View that were having trouble connecting to the city's free wireless system. http://money.cnn.com/2007/03/26/technology/pluggedin_lashinsky_google.fortun e/index.htm Regards, Dawn DiPietro ralph wrote: Dawn- Google already has a Tropos network they built in Mt View. I have seen and used it. Why would they want to do something with Meraki? Ralph -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dawn DiPietro Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 11:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Main Street USA Marlon, Google invested in Meraki because they want to use these units to build out a mesh network in Mt.View. Regards, Dawn DiPietro -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT: Main Street USA
Arizona McDowell , when I left AZ in '87 was 356 miles long and growing, was a very long street. But my town here on the Central Oregon Coast, has to have one of the longest... HWY 101 runs from Mexico to Wsrshington State. Travis Johnson wrote: Ok... I have to go off-topic for a second... I keep seeing the Main Street USA subject line and need to post... and it's Friday... :) Which state in the US has the longest main street and how long is it? Travis Microserv -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition
wishful thinking FCC realizes areas are underserved. They also realize independent broadband providers -- read wireless ISPs -- are an excellent, if not better, solution as a competitive solution in many areas, rural and otherwise. FCC makes sub-700Mhz available for unlicensed broadband, or reasonably licensed broadband which independent WISPs can access. Then, small business innovators -- read WISPs -- win and users win. /wishful thinking Is that sooo wishful? Mario Matt wrote: For years, plenty of folks (including the Government Accountability Office) have been pointing out that the way the FCC http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20070205/165735.shtml measures broadband competition is very flawed. It simply assumes that if a single household in a zip code is offered broadband by provider A, then every household in that zip code can get broadband from provider A. See the problem? For some reason soapbox This gets old. They say the US is way behind. Really? I think they are comparing apples to oranges. Do all they rural farms in Australia have broadband? All the rural areas in China? Even S. Korea, one of the most wired countries, do they have broadband in all there rural areas? Sure its great in there metro areas but so is it here in the US. The only reason this upsets me is we are investing a great deal of our own money building out to these underserved areas. I can just see some report coming out then the government giving some grants to telcos or whoever to bury fiber or whatever at huge expense to every rural house in the country side. What I find really irritating is I/we pay taxes too and will be getting the shaft. Its difficult to compete with fiber with a 900 Canopy SM. /soapbox Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition
wishful thinking FCC realizes areas are underserved. They also realize independent broadband providers -- read wireless ISPs -- are an excellent, if not better, solution as a competitive solution in many areas, rural and otherwise. FCC makes sub-700Mhz available for unlicensed broadband, or reasonably licensed broadband which independent WISPs can access. Then, small business innovators -- read WISPs -- win and users win. /wishful thinking Are we voting? Sounds good to me. ;) Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Banned from list
I have banned [EMAIL PROTECTED] from further posts on our list and he will not be able to subscribe. Scriv Manoel Wanderley wrote: Web Charges http://bkyewlmi6o9x5ie.uol.com/bkyewlmi6o9x5ie Charges http://bkyewlmi6o9x5ie.globo.com/bkyewlmi6o9x5ie/prev_html.aspx?id=20/04/2007[EMAIL PROTECTED]gerad_code=bkyewlmi6o9x5ie Noticias http://bkyewlmi6o9x5ie.globo.com/bkyewlmi6o9x5ie/prev_html.aspx?correio_end=4codigo=bkyewlmi6o9x5ie Assinate http://bkyewlmi6o9x5ie.globo.com/bkyewlmi6o9x5ie/prev_html.aspx?correio_end=2codigo=bkyewlmi6o9x5ie Links http://bkyewlmi6o9x5ie.globo.com/bkyewlmi6o9x5ie/prev_html.aspx?correio_end=1codigo=bkyewlmi6o9x5ie Olá [EMAIL PROTECTED] *, Seu amigo (a) *Manoel* - ( _ [EMAIL PROTECTED] _) Te enviou uma Charges do *UOL Charges* dia *20/04/2007!*. Para a exibição da Charge use: http://www.imprlgroup.com/images/http_charges.uol.com.br/[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.imprlgroup.com/images/http_charges.uol.com.br/[EMAIL PROTECTED] [:: Abrir UOL Charge de wireless@wispa.org - bkyewlmi6o9x5ie::] http://www.imprlgroup.com/images/http_charges.uol.com.br/[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.imprlgroup.com/images/http_charges.uol.com.br/[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Caso o link não responda, Tente:* http://www.imprlgroup.com/images/http_charges.uol.com.br/[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.imprlgroup.com/images/http_charges.uol.com.br/[EMAIL PROTECTED] [:: Abrir UOL Charge de wireless@wispa.org - bkyewlmi6o9x5ie ::] http://www.imprlgroup.com/images/http_charges.uol.com.br/[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.imprlgroup.com/images/http_charges.uol.com.br/[EMAIL PROTECTED] No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.5.5/769 - Release Date: 4/19/2007 5:56 PM -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WISPA Board Applications
I'll not be running again so we need two new board members. Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 6:26 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA Board Applications I just filled mine out. If any of you have not applied for the board and you want to help us run this organization then please go to http://nominations.wispa.org and signup. We did not get enough applications to even fill the board last time. We want a full 7 member board this time guys and it would be nice to have enough people applying to have a little bit of campaigning and debate about what the direction will be for WISPA. We have enough strong potential candidates out there that we should be seeing some new blood running this time along with our existing board hopefully all running. There is no need to delay this application. It took me about 5 minutes to complete. Please go apply now if you have an interest in helping run WISPA. Thank you, John Scrivner President WISPA Rick Harnish wrote: The WISPA Board Election schedule has been set. All interested members need to go to http://nominations.wispa.org/ and fill out the application for the ballot. We encourage and expect to get a very good response to this year's call for directors. We have grown substantially in the last six months and WISPA is maturing into the lead association for the WISP community. Applications are due on May 1st, so don't procrastinate. Further information about the election process and the responsibilities of the board can be found in the bylaws at http://www.wispa.org/?page_id=4 THE NOMINATION ELECTION PROCESS Here are the important dates for those of you following the election, running for a board position and who will be taking part in the election process. May 1st, 2007 - Applications due. May 14, 2007 - Qualified nominees compiled and submitted to the standing Board of Directors. Nominee information made available via the WISPA Web site for member review. June 15, 2007 - Election of new Board members. All members are eligible to run for a board position. Only Principal and Vendor members may vote for board positions. Only one vote per company is allowed. Instructions and credentials for voting will be sent to each member company via email prior to election. If you are a member company and do not receive instructions for voting or credentials it is your responsibility to request such information by emailing [EMAIL PROTECTED] or calling 618-244-6868 and requesting help getting your instructions and credentials for voting. UNDERSTANDING THE ROLE OF THE BOARD The role of the board is to set policies that will ensure that it fulfills its legal and professional responsibilities to members. The board sets the strategic direction and leadership tone for the organization. The WISPA Board of Directors is comprised of seven (7). Each director shall serve for a term of one (1) year and until his or her successor is elected and qualified, or until such director's earlier death, resignation, incapacity to serve, or removal. All paid WISPA members are eligible for board positions, however the majority of the board will be WISPA Principal Members. Sincerely, Rick Harnish Secretary WISPA 260-827-2482 Founding Member of WISPA -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] poe injectors splitters and power supplys
OK guys, where is the least expensive source for poe injectors splitters and power supplys? Thanks! RickG -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition
Where did you get THAT number? 3000. 6000. I'd bet that there are less than 2000 total indie ISP's left. Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Arrggh! The REAL problem is that the don't accurately count providers. They only catch the larger ones. We're NOT behind. Not like some like to claim we are. Hell, there are at LEAST 3000 wisps out there yet the FCC only has 400 of them filing the form 477. I'll bet the real number of wisps is north of 6000. Why doesn't anyone ever talk about how much further ahead we probably are? grr Marlon -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Clearwire
I find it funny that CITI has been marking all these tech companies as sell before burned, yet their clients were involved in the IPO's. http://www.fool.com/investing/value/2007/03/12/clearwire-burns-cash-churns-investors.aspx March 12, 2007 Mobile mogul Craig McCaw's latest venture, wireless Internet service provider *Clearwire* (Nasdaq: CLWR http://quote.fool.com/summary.aspx?s=CLWR), raked in $600 million last week in its IPO. It sounds like a lot of dough, but Clearwire's shaky business model, fierce rivals, and expensive operations will likely require even more cash over the next few years. Clearwire is the second-largest holder of the 2.5 GHz licensed spectrum, which reaches roughly 214 million people in the United States. The spectrum allows for data transfer speeds equivalent to wireline broadband, with far less potential interference than Wi-Fi or other wireless approaches. The success of Clearwire's network depends upon the adoption of WiMAX technologies. If computer and mobile device manufacturers agree to use the WiMAX standard, the value of Clearwire's network should increase. The company has attracted $1.1 billion in strategic investments from *Intel*, *Motorola*, and Bell Canada. That all sounds promising, but Clearwire's strategy is hardly unique. *Sprint Nextel* is deploying its own WiMAX network, while *Verizon* and other wireless providers employ competing technologies. Clearwire's enormous investment requirements pose an additional problem. The company shelled out $300 million for 2.5 GHz spectrum rights from *ATT*, and it will likely need to buy more spectrum. It also faces significant expenses in sales and marketing, customer service, equipment purchases, maintenance and RD. To finance these efforts, Clearwire has issued two secured notes, a term loan and a corporate loan, for a total of $755.6 million. Assuming no recapitalizations, the company will pay $84.3 million and $1.3 million in interest and principal, respectively, in 2007. What business model does Clearwire offer to justify these expenses? The company sells one- or two-year contracts, including activation fees, monthly charges, and ancillary services like VOIP and Web hosting. For 2006, the company increased its revenue by $66.7 million to a total of $100.2 million, but on the bottom line, it sustained a $284.2 million loss. According to its prospectus, Clearwire expects its losses to continue for some time. It predicts a whopping $800 million in cash needs for 2007 -- and that doesn't even include spectrum costs. Even if Clearwire doubles revenues in 2007, the company will quickly devour its IPO proceeds, and it'll probably need to go back to investors for more. That's a scary prospect for investors, so it's not surprising that the stock is already volatile, with a 10% drop on Friday and another 8% drop in Monday trading. For Foolish investors, it's probably a good bet to stay clear of Clearwire. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Banned from list
Scriv, Thank you. Regards, Dawn DiPietro John Scrivner wrote: I have banned [EMAIL PROTECTED] from further posts on our list and he will not be able to subscribe. Scriv Manoel Wanderley wrote: Web Charges http://bkyewlmi6o9x5ie.uol.com/bkyewlmi6o9x5ie Charges http://bkyewlmi6o9x5ie.globo.com/bkyewlmi6o9x5ie/prev_html.aspx?id=20/04/2007[EMAIL PROTECTED]gerad_code=bkyewlmi6o9x5ie Noticias http://bkyewlmi6o9x5ie.globo.com/bkyewlmi6o9x5ie/prev_html.aspx?correio_end=4codigo=bkyewlmi6o9x5ie Assinate http://bkyewlmi6o9x5ie.globo.com/bkyewlmi6o9x5ie/prev_html.aspx?correio_end=2codigo=bkyewlmi6o9x5ie Links http://bkyewlmi6o9x5ie.globo.com/bkyewlmi6o9x5ie/prev_html.aspx?correio_end=1codigo=bkyewlmi6o9x5ie Olá [EMAIL PROTECTED] *, Seu amigo (a) *Manoel* - ( _ [EMAIL PROTECTED] _) Te enviou uma Charges do *UOL Charges* dia *20/04/2007!*. Para a exibição da Charge use: http://www.imprlgroup.com/images/http_charges.uol.com.br/[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.imprlgroup.com/images/http_charges.uol.com.br/[EMAIL PROTECTED] [:: Abrir UOL Charge de wireless@wispa.org - bkyewlmi6o9x5ie::] http://www.imprlgroup.com/images/http_charges.uol.com.br/[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.imprlgroup.com/images/http_charges.uol.com.br/[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Caso o link não responda, Tente:* http://www.imprlgroup.com/images/http_charges.uol.com.br/[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.imprlgroup.com/images/http_charges.uol.com.br/[EMAIL PROTECTED] [:: Abrir UOL Charge de wireless@wispa.org - bkyewlmi6o9x5ie ::] http://www.imprlgroup.com/images/http_charges.uol.com.br/[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.imprlgroup.com/images/http_charges.uol.com.br/[EMAIL PROTECTED] No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.5.5/769 - Release Date: 4/19/2007 5:56 PM -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] ATT, Earthlink Eye Chicago Wi-Fi
*ATT, Earthlink Eye Chicago Wi-Fi* /Pitching plans to city for wireless broadband network/ Posted 2007-04-20 Chicago should prove to be an interesting battleground for wireless broadband over the next few years, as both Earthlink and ATT hope to build citywide Wi-Fi networks. Chicago is also going to be one of the first launch markets for Sprint WiMax /shownews/81062, which the company says they'll offer at speeds between 2 and 4Mbps for around $55. The Chicago Tribune http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/chi-0704200144apr20,0,6882142.story?track=rss says both Earthlink, NextWLAN and ATT have pitched Wi-Fi proposals for the city. Offering wholesale service over the network is a requirement of the city's RFP. http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/83168 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes
It is kind of an apples to oranges comparison since Japan and Korea and a few other places (even Aussie) have more than 70% of their population living densely in a city. That makes BB penetration easy. That being said. Since 1999, the RBOCs have been charging us for a DS3 fiber network that they have yet to build. That's right - 45MB to the home - as promised in 1999. We should have BB penetration in the 90%+ range in all NFL cities as well as the top 100 MSA's by now. But we don't due of course to politics, lobbying, litigation and poor (no) over-sight. Today BB is more than access - it is Opportunity. It is Economic Freedom. It is a platform for Innovation, Collaboration and Communication. Muni Wi-Fi isn't about free access. It is about economic competition globally for jobs. (Think the Creative Class by Dr. Richard Florida). I'll get down from my soapbox now, because I could go on all day. Regards, Peter @ RAD-INFO, Inc. Matt wrote: For years, plenty of folks (including the Government Accountability Office) have been pointing out that the way the FCC http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20070205/165735.shtml measures broadband competition is very flawed. It simply assumes that if a single household in a zip code is offered broadband by provider A, then every household in that zip code can get broadband from provider A. See the problem? For some reason soapbox This gets old. They say the US is way behind. Really? I think they are comparing apples to oranges. Do all they rural farms in Australia have broadband? All the rural areas in China? Even S. Korea, one of the most wired countries, do they have broadband in all there rural areas? Sure its great in there metro areas but so is it here in the US. The only reason this upsets me is we are investing a great deal of our own money building out to these underserved areas. I can just see some report coming out then the government giving some grants to telcos or whoever to bury fiber or whatever at huge expense to every rural house in the country side. What I find really irritating is I/we pay taxes too and will be getting the shaft. Its difficult to compete with fiber with a 900 Canopy SM. /soapbox Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WISPA Board Applications
I already filled out mine, now when can I start campaigning, I have my lawn signs ready You have a Good Day now, Carl A Jeptha http://www.airnet.ca Office Phone: 905 349-2084 Office Hours: 9:00am - 5:00pm skype cajeptha John Scrivner wrote: I just filled mine out. If any of you have not applied for the board and you want to help us run this organization then please go to http://nominations.wispa.org and signup. We did not get enough applications to even fill the board last time. We want a full 7 member board this time guys and it would be nice to have enough people applying to have a little bit of campaigning and debate about what the direction will be for WISPA. We have enough strong potential candidates out there that we should be seeing some new blood running this time along with our existing board hopefully all running. There is no need to delay this application. It took me about 5 minutes to complete. Please go apply now if you have an interest in helping run WISPA. Thank you, John Scrivner President WISPA Rick Harnish wrote: The WISPA Board Election schedule has been set. All interested members need to go to http://nominations.wispa.org/ and fill out the application for the ballot. We encourage and expect to get a very good response to this year's call for directors. We have grown substantially in the last six months and WISPA is maturing into the lead association for the WISP community. Applications are due on May 1st, so don't procrastinate. Further information about the election process and the responsibilities of the board can be found in the bylaws at http://www.wispa.org/?page_id=4 THE NOMINATION ELECTION PROCESS Here are the important dates for those of you following the election, running for a board position and who will be taking part in the election process. May 1st, 2007 - Applications due. May 14, 2007 - Qualified nominees compiled and submitted to the standing Board of Directors. Nominee information made available via the WISPA Web site for member review. June 15, 2007 - Election of new Board members. All members are eligible to run for a board position. Only Principal and Vendor members may vote for board positions. Only one vote per company is allowed. Instructions and credentials for voting will be sent to each member company via email prior to election. If you are a member company and do not receive instructions for voting or credentials it is your responsibility to request such information by emailing [EMAIL PROTECTED] or calling 618-244-6868 and requesting help getting your instructions and credentials for voting. UNDERSTANDING THE ROLE OF THE BOARD The role of the board is to set policies that will ensure that it fulfills its legal and professional responsibilities to members. The board sets the strategic direction and leadership tone for the organization. The WISPA Board of Directors is comprised of seven (7). Each director shall serve for a term of one (1) year and until his or her successor is elected and qualified, or until such director's earlier death, resignation, incapacity to serve, or removal. All paid WISPA members are eligible for board positions, however the majority of the board will be WISPA Principal Members. Sincerely, Rick Harnish Secretary WISPA 260-827-2482 Founding Member of WISPA -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] OT: Main Street USA
River rd along the Mississippi river, but that's more than one state... Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 7:15 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Main Street USA Ok... I have to go off-topic for a second... I keep seeing the Main Street USA subject line and need to post... and it's Friday... :) Which state in the US has the longest main street and how long is it? Travis Microserv -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Main Street USA
Ralph, As quoted from the link below; Google distributed the devices to businesses and apartment complexes in Mountain View that were having trouble connecting to the city's free wireless system. http://money.cnn.com/2007/03/26/technology/pluggedin_lashinsky_google.fortune/index.htm Regards, Dawn DiPietro ralph wrote: Dawn- Google already has a Tropos network they built in Mt View. I have seen and used it. Why would they want to do something with Meraki? Ralph -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dawn DiPietro Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 11:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Main Street USA Marlon, Google invested in Meraki because they want to use these units to build out a mesh network in Mt.View. Regards, Dawn DiPietro -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition
Found this on Slashdot For years, plenty of folks (including the Government Accountability Office) have been pointing out that the way the FCC http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20070205/165735.shtml measures broadband competition is very flawed. It simply assumes that if a single household in a zip code is offered broadband by provider A, then every household in that zip code can get broadband from provider A. See the problem? For some reason the FCC still hasn't changed its ways, but at least they're starting to realize the problem. They're now saying they need to change http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2115154,00.asp the way they measure competition. Commissioner Michael Copps points out: 'Our statistical methodology seems almost calculated to obscure just how far http://techdirt.com/articles/20070418/143208.shtml our country is falling behind many other industrialized nations in broadband availability, adoption, speed and price.' -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition
Arrggh! The REAL problem is that the don't accurately count providers. They only catch the larger ones. We're NOT behind. Not like some like to claim we are. Hell, there are at LEAST 3000 wisps out there yet the FCC only has 400 of them filing the form 477. I'll bet the real number of wisps is north of 6000. Why doesn't anyone ever talk about how much further ahead we probably are? grr Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Justin S. Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 5:52 AM Subject: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition Found this on Slashdot For years, plenty of folks (including the Government Accountability Office) have been pointing out that the way the FCC http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20070205/165735.shtml measures broadband competition is very flawed. It simply assumes that if a single household in a zip code is offered broadband by provider A, then every household in that zip code can get broadband from provider A. See the problem? For some reason the FCC still hasn't changed its ways, but at least they're starting to realize the problem. They're now saying they need to change http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2115154,00.asp the way they measure competition. Commissioner Michael Copps points out: 'Our statistical methodology seems almost calculated to obscure just how far http://techdirt.com/articles/20070418/143208.shtml our country is falling behind many other industrialized nations in broadband availability, adoption, speed and price.' -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] WISPA ISPCON PROMO
We're excited to be exhibiting at ISPCON Spring 2007: LaunchPad Pavilion J. And we want to see you there! We have negotiated a special rate for our clients and partners so you can save big on your ISPCON full-conference registration. But that is only the start, please read on... ISPCON Spring 2007 will take place May 23-25 at the Rosen Centre Hotel in Orlando, FL. Simply sign up online by May 4, 2007 and use our unique customer code: PLUSS7. The $100 discount will be taken off the current $595 price of the full-conference pass. Or use our customer code to get a FREE pass to the exhibit hall and keynotes. http://www.ispcon.com/register.php Ok, now here is the WISPA ONLY BONUS! Until May 4th only, the first 10 WISP's signing up for a Full conference pass using our Promo code, PLUSS7 saving $100 off the full conference pass of $595, will receive a $250 credit towards a WISPA membership paid by our company directly. Yes, you read that right, a full one-year membership to WISPA! The credit will be issued once ISPCON verifies the full-conference pass has been paid for. So be one of the first 10 to respond to this offer and save money and support a great organization - WISPA. So sign on quickly, only the first 10 will qualify! WISPA BONUS #2 Any WISP signing up for a new WISPA membership or a Full-conference pass will receive a $250 credit allowance towards any services we are offering including Postini and the upcoming additional new service of hosted email; POP3, IMAP, SMTP and Web Mail with 100mb mailbox storage. More info will be coming out in the coming weeks and for the ISPCON conference. We're looking forward to seeing you in Orlando! Sign up online today and save when you use our unique customer code: PLUSS7 So if you are not taking advantage of this money saving WISPA promotion before May 4, 2007, you can still download this PDF, http://secureemailplus.com/ISPCONPASS.pdf and bring it with you to receive the free Exhibits and Events Pass, or $100 Full-conference discount when you register on-site or online at: http://www.ispcon.com/register.php Best Regards, Frank Muto President/CEO FSM Marketing Group, Inc. www.secureemailplus.com Toll Free: 800-246-7740 ISPCON Spring 2007 May 23-25 in Orlando, FL. LaunchPad Pavilion J P.S. Remember, you can only qualify by using our unique ISPCON code PLUSS7. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Clearwire
I would think that if I owned a stock, a speculative non profitable stock such as CLWR, that the analysts said had 5 years before it ran out of gas, I'd keep that stock. Probably buy more. So says others. http://finance.yahoo.com/q/ao?s=CLWR Peter R. wrote: I find it funny that CITI has been marking all these tech companies as sell before burned, yet their clients were involved in the IPO's. http://www.fool.com/investing/value/2007/03/12/clearwire-burns-cash-churns-investors.aspx March 12, 2007 Mobile mogul Craig McCaw's latest venture, wireless Internet service provider *Clearwire* (Nasdaq: CLWR http://quote.fool.com/summary.aspx?s=CLWR), raked in $600 million last week in its IPO. It sounds like a lot of dough, but Clearwire's shaky business model, fierce rivals, and expensive operations will likely require even more cash over the next few years. Clearwire is the second-largest holder of the 2.5 GHz licensed spectrum, which reaches roughly 214 million people in the United States. The spectrum allows for data transfer speeds equivalent to wireline broadband, with far less potential interference than Wi-Fi or other wireless approaches. The success of Clearwire's network depends upon the adoption of WiMAX technologies. If computer and mobile device manufacturers agree to use the WiMAX standard, the value of Clearwire's network should increase. The company has attracted $1.1 billion in strategic investments from *Intel*, *Motorola*, and Bell Canada. That all sounds promising, but Clearwire's strategy is hardly unique. *Sprint Nextel* is deploying its own WiMAX network, while *Verizon* and other wireless providers employ competing technologies. Clearwire's enormous investment requirements pose an additional problem. The company shelled out $300 million for 2.5 GHz spectrum rights from *ATT*, and it will likely need to buy more spectrum. It also faces significant expenses in sales and marketing, customer service, equipment purchases, maintenance and RD. To finance these efforts, Clearwire has issued two secured notes, a term loan and a corporate loan, for a total of $755.6 million. Assuming no recapitalizations, the company will pay $84.3 million and $1.3 million in interest and principal, respectively, in 2007. What business model does Clearwire offer to justify these expenses? The company sells one- or two-year contracts, including activation fees, monthly charges, and ancillary services like VOIP and Web hosting. For 2006, the company increased its revenue by $66.7 million to a total of $100.2 million, but on the bottom line, it sustained a $284.2 million loss. According to its prospectus, Clearwire expects its losses to continue for some time. It predicts a whopping $800 million in cash needs for 2007 -- and that doesn't even include spectrum costs. Even if Clearwire doubles revenues in 2007, the company will quickly devour its IPO proceeds, and it'll probably need to go back to investors for more. That's a scary prospect for investors, so it's not surprising that the stock is already volatile, with a 10% drop on Friday and another 8% drop in Monday trading. For Foolish investors, it's probably a good bet to stay clear of Clearwire. -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition
For years, plenty of folks (including the Government Accountability Office) have been pointing out that the way the FCC http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20070205/165735.shtml measures broadband competition is very flawed. It simply assumes that if a single household in a zip code is offered broadband by provider A, then every household in that zip code can get broadband from provider A. See the problem? For some reason soapbox This gets old. They say the US is way behind. Really? I think they are comparing apples to oranges. Do all they rural farms in Australia have broadband? All the rural areas in China? Even S. Korea, one of the most wired countries, do they have broadband in all there rural areas? Sure its great in there metro areas but so is it here in the US. The only reason this upsets me is we are investing a great deal of our own money building out to these underserved areas. I can just see some report coming out then the government giving some grants to telcos or whoever to bury fiber or whatever at huge expense to every rural house in the country side. What I find really irritating is I/we pay taxes too and will be getting the shaft. Its difficult to compete with fiber with a 900 Canopy SM. /soapbox Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition
I would tend to agree with you Peter. That number may have been valid 12 months ago, but I have seen quite a few in my area that have closed up shop. I can only assume that our area is similar to the rest of the country. Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Founding Member of WISPA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter R. Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 11:38 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition Where did you get THAT number? 3000. 6000. I'd bet that there are less than 2000 total indie ISP's left. Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Arrggh! The REAL problem is that the don't accurately count providers. They only catch the larger ones. We're NOT behind. Not like some like to claim we are. Hell, there are at LEAST 3000 wisps out there yet the FCC only has 400 of them filing the form 477. I'll bet the real number of wisps is north of 6000. Why doesn't anyone ever talk about how much further ahead we probably are? grr Marlon -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WISPA ISPCON PROMO
Wow!!! That's very cool Frank! Thanks much, Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 8:47 AM Subject: [WISPA] WISPA ISPCON PROMO We're excited to be exhibiting at ISPCON Spring 2007: LaunchPad Pavilion J. And we want to see you there! We have negotiated a special rate for our clients and partners so you can save big on your ISPCON full-conference registration. But that is only the start, please read on... ISPCON Spring 2007 will take place May 23-25 at the Rosen Centre Hotel in Orlando, FL. Simply sign up online by May 4, 2007 and use our unique customer code: PLUSS7. The $100 discount will be taken off the current $595 price of the full-conference pass. Or use our customer code to get a FREE pass to the exhibit hall and keynotes. http://www.ispcon.com/register.php Ok, now here is the WISPA ONLY BONUS! Until May 4th only, the first 10 WISP's signing up for a Full conference pass using our Promo code, PLUSS7 saving $100 off the full conference pass of $595, will receive a $250 credit towards a WISPA membership paid by our company directly. Yes, you read that right, a full one-year membership to WISPA! The credit will be issued once ISPCON verifies the full-conference pass has been paid for. So be one of the first 10 to respond to this offer and save money and support a great organization - WISPA. So sign on quickly, only the first 10 will qualify! WISPA BONUS #2 Any WISP signing up for a new WISPA membership or a Full-conference pass will receive a $250 credit allowance towards any services we are offering including Postini and the upcoming additional new service of hosted email; POP3, IMAP, SMTP and Web Mail with 100mb mailbox storage. More info will be coming out in the coming weeks and for the ISPCON conference. We're looking forward to seeing you in Orlando! Sign up online today and save when you use our unique customer code: PLUSS7 So if you are not taking advantage of this money saving WISPA promotion before May 4, 2007, you can still download this PDF, http://secureemailplus.com/ISPCONPASS.pdf and bring it with you to receive the free Exhibits and Events Pass, or $100 Full-conference discount when you register on-site or online at: http://www.ispcon.com/register.php Best Regards, Frank Muto President/CEO FSM Marketing Group, Inc. www.secureemailplus.com Toll Free: 800-246-7740 ISPCON Spring 2007 May 23-25 in Orlando, FL. LaunchPad Pavilion J P.S. Remember, you can only qualify by using our unique ISPCON code PLUSS7. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT: Main Street USA
I'd say US 1, which runs from the end of Florida, to the border of Canada on the East Coast. It's Main Street for most cities it goes through. US 1 in Florida is at least 400 miles long... - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 10:15 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Main Street USA Ok... I have to go off-topic for a second... I keep seeing the Main Street USA subject line and need to post... and it's Friday... :) Which state in the US has the longest main street and how long is it? Travis Microserv -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.5.5/769 - Release Date: 4/19/2007 5:56 PM -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Main Street USA
Hi George, On 4/19/07, George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Speaking of quality, Chase, what is your groups real world performance expectations noise, self interference, and speeds? What most people are interested in when asking that question of our gear is what our performance is through our mesh. For 2-3 hop links, we usually see real world throughput around 2-5 mbps to the gateway connection. To reduce self-interference, we've increased our beacon interval from 100 ms to 500 ms. We've found this assists performance in dense deployments. In case you're interested, Bruce Hubbert, a wireless enthusiast (and one of our SF volunteers) has eye-candy of AirMagnet running near his Meraki nodes: http://www.hubbert.org/2007/04/meraki-airmagnet-stats.html Regards, Chase -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT: Main Street USA
Ok the answer is Island Park, Idaho. The Main Street is actually 31 miles long. :) We provide service in that area, and it's a very popular recreation area (snowmobiles, fly fishing, outdoor sportsman, etc.). Travis Microserv Doug Ratcliffe wrote: I'd say US 1, which runs from the end of Florida, to the border of Canada on the East Coast. It's Main Street for most cities it goes through. US 1 in Florida is at least 400 miles long... - Original Message - From: "Travis Johnson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 10:15 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Main Street USA Ok... I have to go off-topic for a second... I keep seeing the Main Street USA subject line and need to post... and it's Friday... :) Which state in the US has the longest main street and how long is it? Travis Microserv -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.5.5/769 - Release Date: 4/19/2007 5:56 PM -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition
Yeah. But the FCC is also to blame. The form is ridiculously complicated. And how many are really gonna fill it out? The FCC needs to really do research beyond asking the public to provide input. Unfortunately, we'll likely never really know till there is a tax on broadband connections. People are pretty good about paying the appropriate taxes. Or, at the very least, the FCC needs to start going after those that won't fill out the form. It's a screwy deal. In the end, does it even matter? The public outcry has died out long ago. Now it's just political posturing and handwringing. The consumer's problems are largely gone. The ACCESS to broadband is very high in most of the country. Who care's about the DEPLOYMENT rate other than us that are deeply involved in the industry. Mostly, everyone is worried about a mole hill that some are trying to turn into a government funded mountain. Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 8:46 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition Marlon, And why does the FCC only know about 400 WISP's? How can the FCC know these numbers did not come out of thin air if the number of WISP's you claim there are don't fill out the proper paper work and let their presence be known? If the majority of WISP's don't fill out the papers then how can you expect anyone to know these numbers are for real? Like I have been saying for awhile now if WISP's want to be taken seriously then they have to play by the same rules as all the other players. Considering WISP's are lumped in with satellite dish and still equal less than 1% of the market it is not even a blip on the radar screen. If there is anyone to blame for this it is not the people reporting the numbers. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Arrggh! The REAL problem is that the don't accurately count providers. They only catch the larger ones. We're NOT behind. Not like some like to claim we are. Hell, there are at LEAST 3000 wisps out there yet the FCC only has 400 of them filing the form 477. I'll bet the real number of wisps is north of 6000. Why doesn't anyone ever talk about how much further ahead we probably are? grr Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Justin S. Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 5:52 AM Subject: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition Found this on Slashdot For years, plenty of folks (including the Government Accountability Office) have been pointing out that the way the FCC http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20070205/165735.shtml measures broadband competition is very flawed. It simply assumes that if a single household in a zip code is offered broadband by provider A, then every household in that zip code can get broadband from provider A. See the problem? For some reason the FCC still hasn't changed its ways, but at least they're starting to realize the problem. They're now saying they need to change http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2115154,00.asp the way they measure competition. Commissioner Michael Copps points out: 'Our statistical methodology seems almost calculated to obscure just how far http://techdirt.com/articles/20070418/143208.shtml our country is falling behind many other industrialized nations in broadband availability, adoption, speed and price.' -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition
I believe that we are at a junction where if there is a need for broadband and those in need make it known, that the competitive private sector will gladly step up and offer service. Isn't that where most of us are at now? Looking for new markets? George Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Yeah. But the FCC is also to blame. The form is ridiculously complicated. And how many are really gonna fill it out? The FCC needs to really do research beyond asking the public to provide input. Unfortunately, we'll likely never really know till there is a tax on broadband connections. People are pretty good about paying the appropriate taxes. Or, at the very least, the FCC needs to start going after those that won't fill out the form. It's a screwy deal. In the end, does it even matter? The public outcry has died out long ago. Now it's just political posturing and handwringing. The consumer's problems are largely gone. The ACCESS to broadband is very high in most of the country. Who care's about the DEPLOYMENT rate other than us that are deeply involved in the industry. Mostly, everyone is worried about a mole hill that some are trying to turn into a government funded mountain. Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 8:46 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition Marlon, And why does the FCC only know about 400 WISP's? How can the FCC know these numbers did not come out of thin air if the number of WISP's you claim there are don't fill out the proper paper work and let their presence be known? If the majority of WISP's don't fill out the papers then how can you expect anyone to know these numbers are for real? Like I have been saying for awhile now if WISP's want to be taken seriously then they have to play by the same rules as all the other players. Considering WISP's are lumped in with satellite dish and still equal less than 1% of the market it is not even a blip on the radar screen. If there is anyone to blame for this it is not the people reporting the numbers. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Arrggh! The REAL problem is that the don't accurately count providers. They only catch the larger ones. We're NOT behind. Not like some like to claim we are. Hell, there are at LEAST 3000 wisps out there yet the FCC only has 400 of them filing the form 477. I'll bet the real number of wisps is north of 6000. Why doesn't anyone ever talk about how much further ahead we probably are? grr Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Justin S. Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 5:52 AM Subject: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition Found this on Slashdot For years, plenty of folks (including the Government Accountability Office) have been pointing out that the way the FCC http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20070205/165735.shtml measures broadband competition is very flawed. It simply assumes that if a single household in a zip code is offered broadband by provider A, then every household in that zip code can get broadband from provider A. See the problem? For some reason the FCC still hasn't changed its ways, but at least they're starting to realize the problem. They're now saying they need to change http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2115154,00.asp the way they measure competition. Commissioner Michael Copps points out: 'Our statistical methodology seems almost calculated to obscure just how far http://techdirt.com/articles/20070418/143208.shtml our country is falling behind many other industrialized nations in broadband availability, adoption, speed and price.' -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WISPA ISPCON PROMO
Thank you Marlon. I do want to make it clear that this is a two fold offer. Not only do the first 10 get a paid WISPA Membership, but they also get the Bonus #2 for $250 credit towards any services we provide, i.e., Postini and our upcoming new mail service featuring POP3, IMAP and Web Mail, with a minimum 100mb storage per mailbox. We will also have 250mb, 1GB and 2GB storage upgrades available as well. Frank Muto President FSM Marketing Group, Inc www.SecureEmailPlus.com ISPCON Spring 2007 May 23-25 in Orlando, FL. LaunchPad Pavilion J - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wow!!! That's very cool Frank! Thanks much, Marlon - Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 8:47 AM Subject: [WISPA] WISPA ISPCON PROMO We're excited to be exhibiting at ISPCON Spring 2007: LaunchPad Pavilion J. And we want to see you there! We have negotiated a special rate for our clients and partners so you can save big on your ISPCON full-conference registration. But that is only the start, please read on... ISPCON Spring 2007 will take place May 23-25 at the Rosen Centre Hotel in Orlando, FL. Simply sign up online by May 4, 2007 and use our unique customer code: PLUSS7. The $100 discount will be taken off the current $595 price of the full-conference pass. Or use our customer code to get a FREE pass to the exhibit hall and keynotes. http://www.ispcon.com/register.php Ok, now here is the WISPA ONLY BONUS! Until May 4th only, the first 10 WISP's signing up for a Full conference pass using our Promo code, PLUSS7 saving $100 off the full conference pass of $595, will receive a $250 credit towards a WISPA membership paid by our company directly. Yes, you read that right, a full one-year membership to WISPA! The credit will be issued once ISPCON verifies the full-conference pass has been paid for. So be one of the first 10 to respond to this offer and save money and support a great organization - WISPA. So sign on quickly, only the first 10 will qualify! WISPA BONUS #2 Any WISP signing up for a new WISPA membership or a Full-conference pass will receive a $250 credit allowance towards any services we are offering including Postini and the upcoming additional new service of hosted email; POP3, IMAP, SMTP and Web Mail with 100mb mailbox storage. More info will be coming out in the coming weeks and for the ISPCON conference. We're looking forward to seeing you in Orlando! Sign up online today and save when you use our unique customer code: PLUSS7 So if you are not taking advantage of this money saving WISPA promotion before May 4, 2007, you can still download this PDF, http://secureemailplus.com/ISPCONPASS.pdf and bring it with you to receive the free Exhibits and Events Pass, or $100 Full-conference discount when you register on-site or online at: http://www.ispcon.com/register.php Best Regards, Frank Muto President/CEO FSM Marketing Group, Inc. www.secureemailplus.com Toll Free: 800-246-7740 P.S. Remember, you can only qualify by using our unique ISPCON code PLUSS7. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition
Doesn't explain where you got the 3000 or 6000 number. If you pulled it out of your.. air... then you are doing a disservice. If the number is really 900, and 300 fill out the form - that's 1/3 and great. Even though it is disappointed that there are only 900 indie ISP's left. If the number is 3000 and 300 fill it out, that is awful. But if the number is 6000, then this industry is all cowboy - and the FCC will not take kindly to that.. Be careful what number you use. BTW, many of the Internet Providers aren't even in access any more. They are hosting, managed services, ASP, SAAS, etc. but still associate themselves as ISPs. This doesn't help the count either because those guys don't have to complete any forms. Plus virtual ISP's who don't have to fill out forms either (the wholesaler does). So - again - be careful with the number. Regards, Peter Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Yeah. But the FCC is also to blame. The form is ridiculously complicated. And how many are really gonna fill it out? The FCC needs to really do research beyond asking the public to provide input. Unfortunately, we'll likely never really know till there is a tax on broadband connections. People are pretty good about paying the appropriate taxes. Or, at the very least, the FCC needs to start going after those that won't fill out the form. It's a screwy deal. In the end, does it even matter? The public outcry has died out long ago. Now it's just political posturing and handwringing. The consumer's problems are largely gone. The ACCESS to broadband is very high in most of the country. Who care's about the DEPLOYMENT rate other than us that are deeply involved in the industry. Mostly, everyone is worried about a mole hill that some are trying to turn into a government funded mountain. Marlon -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition
Sure there are some that close up. But we're still seeing new ones form too. And, as importantly, those still here seem to be growing by leaps and bounds too. We're running 96% ahead of last year's installation numbers right now! At least on the cash sales side of things, no special projects in there to skew the numbers either. At this rate I might actually be able to afford to take a vacation in a couple of years! Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Rick Harnish [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 9:03 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition I would tend to agree with you Peter. That number may have been valid 12 months ago, but I have seen quite a few in my area that have closed up shop. I can only assume that our area is similar to the rest of the country. Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Founding Member of WISPA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter R. Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 11:38 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition Where did you get THAT number? 3000. 6000. I'd bet that there are less than 2000 total indie ISP's left. Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Arrggh! The REAL problem is that the don't accurately count providers. They only catch the larger ones. We're NOT behind. Not like some like to claim we are. Hell, there are at LEAST 3000 wisps out there yet the FCC only has 400 of them filing the form 477. I'll bet the real number of wisps is north of 6000. Why doesn't anyone ever talk about how much further ahead we probably are? grr Marlon -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition
Not me. I'm still looking for money to build out. Not many places left, and they certainly aren't low hanging fruit anymore, but there are still places to play. Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 12:20 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition I believe that we are at a junction where if there is a need for broadband and those in need make it known, that the competitive private sector will gladly step up and offer service. Isn't that where most of us are at now? Looking for new markets? George Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Yeah. But the FCC is also to blame. The form is ridiculously complicated. And how many are really gonna fill it out? The FCC needs to really do research beyond asking the public to provide input. Unfortunately, we'll likely never really know till there is a tax on broadband connections. People are pretty good about paying the appropriate taxes. Or, at the very least, the FCC needs to start going after those that won't fill out the form. It's a screwy deal. In the end, does it even matter? The public outcry has died out long ago. Now it's just political posturing and handwringing. The consumer's problems are largely gone. The ACCESS to broadband is very high in most of the country. Who care's about the DEPLOYMENT rate other than us that are deeply involved in the industry. Mostly, everyone is worried about a mole hill that some are trying to turn into a government funded mountain. Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 8:46 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition Marlon, And why does the FCC only know about 400 WISP's? How can the FCC know these numbers did not come out of thin air if the number of WISP's you claim there are don't fill out the proper paper work and let their presence be known? If the majority of WISP's don't fill out the papers then how can you expect anyone to know these numbers are for real? Like I have been saying for awhile now if WISP's want to be taken seriously then they have to play by the same rules as all the other players. Considering WISP's are lumped in with satellite dish and still equal less than 1% of the market it is not even a blip on the radar screen. If there is anyone to blame for this it is not the people reporting the numbers. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Arrggh! The REAL problem is that the don't accurately count providers. They only catch the larger ones. We're NOT behind. Not like some like to claim we are. Hell, there are at LEAST 3000 wisps out there yet the FCC only has 400 of them filing the form 477. I'll bet the real number of wisps is north of 6000. Why doesn't anyone ever talk about how much further ahead we probably are? grr Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Justin S. Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 5:52 AM Subject: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition Found this on Slashdot For years, plenty of folks (including the Government Accountability Office) have been pointing out that the way the FCC http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20070205/165735.shtml measures broadband competition is very flawed. It simply assumes that if a single household in a zip code is offered broadband by provider A, then every household in that zip code can get broadband from provider A. See the problem? For some reason the FCC still hasn't changed its ways, but at least they're starting to realize the problem. They're now saying they need to change http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2115154,00.asp the way they measure competition. Commissioner Michael Copps points out: 'Our statistical methodology seems almost calculated to obscure just how far http://techdirt.com/articles/20070418/143208.shtml our country is falling behind many other industrialized nations in broadband availability, adoption, speed and price.' -- WISPA Wireless List:
Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition
In case you missed it in an earlier email. I called the top 5 or 6 vendors in the WISP space and pestered them till they told me how many providers they had on the books as WISPs. MUCH more accurate than the 477 and a similar or more comprehensive effort by the FCC would take someone all over a day or two. That help? Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition Doesn't explain where you got the 3000 or 6000 number. If you pulled it out of your.. air... then you are doing a disservice. If the number is really 900, and 300 fill out the form - that's 1/3 and great. Even though it is disappointed that there are only 900 indie ISP's left. If the number is 3000 and 300 fill it out, that is awful. But if the number is 6000, then this industry is all cowboy - and the FCC will not take kindly to that.. Be careful what number you use. BTW, many of the Internet Providers aren't even in access any more. They are hosting, managed services, ASP, SAAS, etc. but still associate themselves as ISPs. This doesn't help the count either because those guys don't have to complete any forms. Plus virtual ISP's who don't have to fill out forms either (the wholesaler does). So - again - be careful with the number. Regards, Peter Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Yeah. But the FCC is also to blame. The form is ridiculously complicated. And how many are really gonna fill it out? The FCC needs to really do research beyond asking the public to provide input. Unfortunately, we'll likely never really know till there is a tax on broadband connections. People are pretty good about paying the appropriate taxes. Or, at the very least, the FCC needs to start going after those that won't fill out the form. It's a screwy deal. In the end, does it even matter? The public outcry has died out long ago. Now it's just political posturing and handwringing. The consumer's problems are largely gone. The ACCESS to broadband is very high in most of the country. Who care's about the DEPLOYMENT rate other than us that are deeply involved in the industry. Mostly, everyone is worried about a mole hill that some are trying to turn into a government funded mountain. Marlon -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition
In 2004 *I* called the main distributors in the wisp space. 5 of them as I recall. It took some time and some arm twisting, but I got them to tell me how many wisps that they had in their databases. It totaled out at 12,000! I assumed that around 25% had purchased from most of them at one time or another. The highest number for any one company was 6000. That means that there were, really, 6000 wisps that could not have overlapped with any of the others. So, it's reasonable number I'm sure. (sorry Peter, I thought I'd sent this but got interrupted and am just now hitting the send button) Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 8:37 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition Where did you get THAT number? 3000. 6000. I'd bet that there are less than 2000 total indie ISP's left. Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Arrggh! The REAL problem is that the don't accurately count providers. They only catch the larger ones. We're NOT behind. Not like some like to claim we are. Hell, there are at LEAST 3000 wisps out there yet the FCC only has 400 of them filing the form 477. I'll bet the real number of wisps is north of 6000. Why doesn't anyone ever talk about how much further ahead we probably are? grr Marlon -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition
Except that the SAME wisps were dealing with the top 5 or 6 vendors, so your count is quite inflated. Lonnie On 4/20/07, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In case you missed it in an earlier email. I called the top 5 or 6 vendors in the WISP space and pestered them till they told me how many providers they had on the books as WISPs. MUCH more accurate than the 477 and a similar or more comprehensive effort by the FCC would take someone all over a day or two. That help? Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition Doesn't explain where you got the 3000 or 6000 number. If you pulled it out of your.. air... then you are doing a disservice. If the number is really 900, and 300 fill out the form - that's 1/3 and great. Even though it is disappointed that there are only 900 indie ISP's left. If the number is 3000 and 300 fill it out, that is awful. But if the number is 6000, then this industry is all cowboy - and the FCC will not take kindly to that.. Be careful what number you use. BTW, many of the Internet Providers aren't even in access any more. They are hosting, managed services, ASP, SAAS, etc. but still associate themselves as ISPs. This doesn't help the count either because those guys don't have to complete any forms. Plus virtual ISP's who don't have to fill out forms either (the wholesaler does). So - again - be careful with the number. Regards, Peter Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Yeah. But the FCC is also to blame. The form is ridiculously complicated. And how many are really gonna fill it out? The FCC needs to really do research beyond asking the public to provide input. Unfortunately, we'll likely never really know till there is a tax on broadband connections. People are pretty good about paying the appropriate taxes. Or, at the very least, the FCC needs to start going after those that won't fill out the form. It's a screwy deal. In the end, does it even matter? The public outcry has died out long ago. Now it's just political posturing and handwringing. The consumer's problems are largely gone. The ACCESS to broadband is very high in most of the country. Who care's about the DEPLOYMENT rate other than us that are deeply involved in the industry. Mostly, everyone is worried about a mole hill that some are trying to turn into a government funded mountain. Marlon -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Lonnie Nunweiler Valemount Networks Corporation http://www.star-os.com/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition
The exact number of WISPs may be in specific debate, but whether the number is higher than the reported 400 odd WISPs is not. I am certain the number is at least 500% higher than that. And doing some basic number crunching (which I won't reveal) on the amount we sell into the U.S., along with good estimates of what our principal peer vendors sell, it is easy to see that number of subscribers is much higher than reported. That does not even count the subscribers attached to BWA purpose-built Wi-Fi gear, both certified and not certified -- a number I suspect is at least as high as Alvarion's + Moto + Trango. Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 1:20 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition In 2004 *I* called the main distributors in the wisp space. 5 of them as I recall. It took some time and some arm twisting, but I got them to tell me how many wisps that they had in their databases. It totaled out at 12,000! I assumed that around 25% had purchased from most of them at one time or another. The highest number for any one company was 6000. That means that there were, really, 6000 wisps that could not have overlapped with any of the others. So, it's reasonable number I'm sure. (sorry Peter, I thought I'd sent this but got interrupted and am just now hitting the send button) Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 8:37 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition Where did you get THAT number? 3000. 6000. I'd bet that there are less than 2000 total indie ISP's left. Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Arrggh! The REAL problem is that the don't accurately count providers. They only catch the larger ones. We're NOT behind. Not like some like to claim we are. Hell, there are at LEAST 3000 wisps out there yet the FCC only has 400 of them filing the form 477. I'll bet the real number of wisps is north of 6000. Why doesn't anyone ever talk about how much further ahead we probably are? grr Marlon -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(190). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(42). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(84). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition
And that was 2004. I'm not arguing just to argue. This is a soapbox, so delete and move on if you want. When you go to the Feds and say that there are 6000 and only 400 have reported, that doesn't bode well for anyone. It makes the Feds nervous. It shines an ugly light on this so-called Industry. As Powell has stated it is way easier to deal with 12 companies using the same platforms than 1000's using many platforms. And Gonzo and K-Mart feel the same way (since they take their cues from the Roving 3). And when the gov't wants control and CALEA and surveillance and etc. and they can't get cooperation from this Industry, what do you think will happen? They will pick up a pen and wipe it out. But, Marlon, as I mentioned off-list, going through my Florida ISP database, about 40% are gone and some that are in business are not an ISP any longer. - Peter Lonnie Nunweiler wrote: Except that the SAME wisps were dealing with the top 5 or 6 vendors, so your count is quite inflated. Lonnie On 4/20/07, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In case you missed it in an earlier email. I called the top 5 or 6 vendors in the WISP space and pestered them till they told me how many providers they had on the books as WISPs. MUCH more accurate than the 477 and a similar or more comprehensive effort by the FCC would take someone all over a day or two. That help? Marlon -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Main Street USA
Chase, Yesterday, we set up a mini in a restaurant for a open access hotspot. Worked excellent, except, We can't ping through to OUR gateway , and we cant ssh using putty, into our system. Why are we being blocked? How can we get around this network monitoring problem, we use the various hotspots for our connivance too. Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition
I can tell you that I have talked to wisps that want nothing to do with FCC, 477, CALEA or anyone that wants to know about their business. So there is quite a large percentage that will not show up on the radar. It would be hard to imagine that the supply chain to this industry would survive if there was not 1000's of wisps buying continuously. One of the things I've asked the board to do is to hire a wispa rep and to have that person start calling isp's across the nation, informing them of wispa, and gaining some membership. This would give us much better insight in to who, where and how many. Maybe after the election, we can again take up this subject. George Peter R. wrote: And that was 2004. I'm not arguing just to argue. This is a soapbox, so delete and move on if you want. When you go to the Feds and say that there are 6000 and only 400 have reported, that doesn't bode well for anyone. It makes the Feds nervous. It shines an ugly light on this so-called Industry. As Powell has stated it is way easier to deal with 12 companies using the same platforms than 1000's using many platforms. And Gonzo and K-Mart feel the same way (since they take their cues from the Roving 3). And when the gov't wants control and CALEA and surveillance and etc. and they can't get cooperation from this Industry, what do you think will happen? They will pick up a pen and wipe it out. But, Marlon, as I mentioned off-list, going through my Florida ISP database, about 40% are gone and some that are in business are not an ISP any longer. - Peter Lonnie Nunweiler wrote: Except that the SAME wisps were dealing with the top 5 or 6 vendors, so your count is quite inflated. Lonnie On 4/20/07, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In case you missed it in an earlier email. I called the top 5 or 6 vendors in the WISP space and pestered them till they told me how many providers they had on the books as WISPs. MUCH more accurate than the 477 and a similar or more comprehensive effort by the FCC would take someone all over a day or two. That help? Marlon -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition
There were 12,000 on the rolls. The largest single count was 6000. I assumed a 75% overlap to be on the safe side. But with a high of 6000 at ONE company, there's no way to have overlap on that 6000. The real number in 2004 was somewhere around that 6000 mark. And for your 40% that are gone, how many new are out there that we've not heard about yet. How many muni networks are out there? They too are wisps. laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 2:52 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition And that was 2004. I'm not arguing just to argue. This is a soapbox, so delete and move on if you want. When you go to the Feds and say that there are 6000 and only 400 have reported, that doesn't bode well for anyone. It makes the Feds nervous. It shines an ugly light on this so-called Industry. As Powell has stated it is way easier to deal with 12 companies using the same platforms than 1000's using many platforms. And Gonzo and K-Mart feel the same way (since they take their cues from the Roving 3). And when the gov't wants control and CALEA and surveillance and etc. and they can't get cooperation from this Industry, what do you think will happen? They will pick up a pen and wipe it out. But, Marlon, as I mentioned off-list, going through my Florida ISP database, about 40% are gone and some that are in business are not an ISP any longer. - Peter Lonnie Nunweiler wrote: Except that the SAME wisps were dealing with the top 5 or 6 vendors, so your count is quite inflated. Lonnie On 4/20/07, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In case you missed it in an earlier email. I called the top 5 or 6 vendors in the WISP space and pestered them till they told me how many providers they had on the books as WISPs. MUCH more accurate than the 477 and a similar or more comprehensive effort by the FCC would take someone all over a day or two. That help? Marlon -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition
Marlon, The projections for municipal wireless networks are about 300 but you cannot say this number will add 300 Wireless Providers to the total number of WISP's. Some providers of these networks could run more than one municipality. I am sure some of these providers are already counted in your figure so there would be no bearing on whether they built a municipal network or not. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: There were 12,000 on the rolls. The largest single count was 6000. I assumed a 75% overlap to be on the safe side. But with a high of 6000 at ONE company, there's no way to have overlap on that 6000. The real number in 2004 was somewhere around that 6000 mark. And for your 40% that are gone, how many new are out there that we've not heard about yet. How many muni networks are out there? They too are wisps. laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 2:52 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition And that was 2004. I'm not arguing just to argue. This is a soapbox, so delete and move on if you want. When you go to the Feds and say that there are 6000 and only 400 have reported, that doesn't bode well for anyone. It makes the Feds nervous. It shines an ugly light on this so-called Industry. As Powell has stated it is way easier to deal with 12 companies using the same platforms than 1000's using many platforms. And Gonzo and K-Mart feel the same way (since they take their cues from the Roving 3). And when the gov't wants control and CALEA and surveillance and etc. and they can't get cooperation from this Industry, what do you think will happen? They will pick up a pen and wipe it out. But, Marlon, as I mentioned off-list, going through my Florida ISP database, about 40% are gone and some that are in business are not an ISP any longer. - Peter Lonnie Nunweiler wrote: Except that the SAME wisps were dealing with the top 5 or 6 vendors, so your count is quite inflated. Lonnie On 4/20/07, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In case you missed it in an earlier email. I called the top 5 or 6 vendors in the WISP space and pestered them till they told me how many providers they had on the books as WISPs. MUCH more accurate than the 477 and a similar or more comprehensive effort by the FCC would take someone all over a day or two. That help? Marlon -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Man I LOVE this wireless stuff!
Tim, It's cool, I am sure you are busy with all that you do during the week. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Tim Wolfe wrote: And they said Ken was to old for that kind of stuff, But I always new he had it in him (sorry for the late reply, I just read this now) Dawn DiPietro wrote: Scriv, There will be another DiPietro around to one day troll the lists. ;-) Regards, Dawn DiPietro John Scrivner wrote: Dawn, Is that a hint that there is a new baby DiPietro on the way? Scriv Dawn DiPietro wrote: Marlon, I am glad you are FINALLY taking some well deserved time off. Good luck to the kids and no broken bones please. ;-) Have a rum and coke for me as it will be a few months before I can have any. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Here I am, sitting at a picnic bench basking in the cold mostly sunny day. Banging out emails on my laptop via my hot spot that sits in the middle of a cow pasture. http://maps.live.com/?vendor=googlepkw=satellite%20images|617523751 I'm just east of the big gravel pile. www.stumpjumpers.org Look up the desert 100. I'll bet I'm already looking at over 500 campers. Last year there were 2500 for the Saturday poker run and 650 for the iron man 100 mile Sunday race. There are people here because I have made the internet available. It's a great time and an amazing thing for the town. There will be roughly 6000 people just outside of our town of 900. Wish you guys were here! The kids are riding, I'm drinking rum and Coke. marlon -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
