Re: [WISPA] Satellite internet

2008-09-05 Thread Chuck McCown - 3
I'll bet its ping times are still in the hundreds of milliseconds. - Original Message - From: Aaron D. Osgood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 7:02 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Satellite internet Actually - the iDirect (NO

[WISPA] Wrap Boards and Support

2008-09-05 Thread ram
Hi we are one of the ISP in india working now WISP solution to deploy Wireless as last mile for the Bussiness users Subsequent want to deploy for the Home users So looking for WRAP boards/ Software and Support for the same Contact me offline for the same project Ram

Re: [WISPA] Satellite internet

2008-09-05 Thread Forrest W. Christian
I half expect that the whole speed of light latency issue will be eliminated sometime in my lifetime - that is, instantaneous communication between any two points with no meaningful delay. Unfortunately, when it happens, I suspect that those of us in the business of putting up infrastructure

Re: [WISPA] Satellite internet

2008-09-05 Thread Chuck McCown - 3
My higgs field modulator system has zero latency and infinite BW but if you use anything over a few femtowatts it tends to loosen the foundation of the building you are in. - Original Message - From: Forrest W. Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent:

Re: [WISPA] Satellite internet

2008-09-05 Thread Chuck McCown - 3
If you had a really tiny monkey with really tiny hands and had them actually grab one of the entangled photons, bring it to a rest and then shake it in the opposite polarization, will the other monkey holding the other photo feel the change? - Original Message - From: Forrest W.

Re: [WISPA] Preventing backwards router problems

2008-09-05 Thread Andrew Niemantsverdriet
I am using a Linux box as the router, I am going to add a couple more interfaces to that box and call the problem solved for now. Going forward I will be looking at a topology change to prevent these issues. PPPoE looks like the ticket. On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 11:07 PM, Butch Evans [EMAIL

Re: [WISPA] Satellite internet

2008-09-05 Thread Blair Davis
yep. Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: If you had a really tiny monkey with really tiny hands and had them actually grab one of the entangled photons, bring it to a rest and then shake it in the opposite polarization, will the other monkey holding the other photo feel the change? - Original

Re: [WISPA] Preventing backwards router problems

2008-09-05 Thread Charles Wyble
Jeff Broadwick wrote: Just a word of caution, native Linux will only work up to a certain point with PPPoE/L2TP. Jeff Can you expand on that a bit? I mean obviously you you need other bits to make a complete solution (RADIUS/DNS/DHCP maybe some LDAP/Cert Authority/VPN). I would

Re: [WISPA] Preventing backwards router problems

2008-09-05 Thread Dennis Burgess
What they make Mikrotik for! :) -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* 314-735-0270 http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik

Re: [WISPA] Satellite internet

2008-09-05 Thread Charles Wyble
Forrest W. Christian wrote: I half expect that the whole speed of light latency issue will be eliminated sometime in my lifetime - that is, instantaneous communication between any two points with no meaningful delay. You aren't that far off. Lots of quantum network research being done.

Re: [WISPA] Wrap Boards and Support

2008-09-05 Thread Charles Wyble
ram wrote: Hi we are one of the ISP in india working now WISP solution to deploy Wireless as last mile for the Bussiness users Subsequent want to deploy for the Home users So looking for WRAP boards/ Software and Support for the same Contact me offline for the same project Ram

Re: [WISPA] Satellite internet

2008-09-05 Thread Chuck McCown - 3
I fully expect them to run into the same brick wall the prevents reverse time travel. - Original Message - From: Charles Wyble [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 10:04 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Satellite internet Forrest W.

Re: [WISPA] Preventing backwards router problems

2008-09-05 Thread jefflist
It's a scale issue. I wish I could tell you exactly where it will fail, but there are a lot of variables. We've been able to get 3000 plus users, but that takes a powerful system, lots of RAM, and a LOT of work with Linux itself. Jeff Sent from my Palm PDA. -Original Message- From:

Re: [WISPA] Satellite internet

2008-09-05 Thread Sam Tetherow
Guess I better sell my WISP and start a tiny monkey ranch. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Charles Wyble wrote: Forrest W. Christian wrote: I half expect that the whole speed of light latency issue will be eliminated sometime in my lifetime - that is, instantaneous

[WISPA] Considering ARIN and buying our own IPs....IPv4? IPv6

2008-09-05 Thread John McDowell
Hey guys and gals, We are looking at our first redundant fiber connection from a second carrier and feeling the need to have our own IPs so that this will work out well. Anybody have advice on where to start with ARIN, besides just fishing around on the website, and what should we be looking at

Re: [WISPA] Considering ARIN and buying our own IPs....IPv4? IPv6

2008-09-05 Thread Mike Hammett
If you can justify a... /22? then you should have your own IPs from ARIN. Other than that, you can't have them. All I can say is look at their site in the IPv4 numbers section (I think) and then locate the forms and fill them out. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions

Re: [WISPA] Considering ARIN and buying our own IPs....IPv4? IPv6

2008-09-05 Thread John McDowell
Is anyone buying IPv6? Should we look at that as well? On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 12:53 PM, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: If you can justify a... /22? then you should have your own IPs from ARIN. Other than that, you can't have them. All I can say is look at their site in the IPv4

Re: [WISPA] Preventing backwards router problems

2008-09-05 Thread Jeff Broadwick
Hi Charles, It's a scale issue. I wish I could tell you exactly where it will fail, but there are a lot of variables. We've been able to get 3000 plus users, but that takes a powerful system, lots of RAM, and a LOT of work with Linux itself. Regards, Jeff ImageStream -Original

Re: [WISPA] Considering ARIN and buying our own IPs....IPv4? IPv6

2008-09-05 Thread Zachery Wolfinger
We have an IPv6 block. Mostly just for testing right now. You can peer up with Hurricane Electric over an IPv4 tunnel for testing. Our routing guru handles our ARIN requests. You are welcome to tap him for some guidance if you need it. Tony Mattke ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). Thank you, Zak

Re: [WISPA] Considering ARIN and buying our own IPs....IPv4? IPv6

2008-09-05 Thread Charles Wyble
Mike Hammett wrote: If you can justify a... /22? then you should have your own IPs from ARIN. Other than that, you can't have them. Correct. The minimum allocation has been going up. I used to control some /24 netblocks of portable space. Was cool. :) -- Charles Wyble (818) 280 -

Re: [WISPA] Considering ARIN and buying our own IPs....IPv4? IPv6

2008-09-05 Thread Charles Wyble
Zachery Wolfinger wrote: We have an IPv6 block. Mostly just for testing right now. You can peer up with Hurricane Electric over an IPv4 tunnel for testing. Yep. Tunnelbroker.net You can get a /48 and /64. -- Charles Wyble (818) 280 - 7059 http://charlesnw.blogspot.com CTO Known Element

Re: [WISPA] Preventing backwards router problems

2008-09-05 Thread Charles Wyble
Jeff Broadwick wrote: Hi Charles, It's a scale issue. I wish I could tell you exactly where it will fail, but there are a lot of variables. Oh certainly. The Linux kernel and user space could use a whole lot of tuning in many many many many places. :) We've been able to get 3000 plus

Re: [WISPA] Considering ARIN and buying our own IPs....IPv4? IPv6

2008-09-05 Thread David E. Smith
John McDowell wrote: We are looking at our first redundant fiber connection from a second carrier and feeling the need to have our own IPs so that this will work out well. If you're multihoming, yeah, it'll be a lot easier if you get your own ASN and allocation of IP space. The tricky bit is

Re: [WISPA] Considering ARIN and buying our own IPs....IPv4? IPv6

2008-09-05 Thread Charles Wyble
Faisal Imtiaz wrote: To answer the original question that was asked. Where to start: Start with Arin's web site, fill out the form, send it in, and feel free to talk to them on the phone. They may come across rather 'stiff' via email communication, howerver on the phone they are very

Re: [WISPA] Satellite internet

2008-09-05 Thread D. Ryan Spott
Brick wall or SOLID ROCK?! We just need to avoid John and his other John friends from Planet 10! ryan Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: I fully expect them to run into the same brick wall the prevents reverse time travel. - Original Message - From: Charles Wyble [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:

Re: [WISPA] Considering ARIN and buying our own IPs....IPv4? IPv6

2008-09-05 Thread Mike Hammett
You need an IPv6 compatible upstream to put that to use. That said, getting an IPv6 allocation isn't a bad idea if you have the possibility of getting IPv6 transit, even if you don't. That way you're ready when the time comes. It'll be here before you know it. -- Mike Hammett

Re: [WISPA] Considering ARIN and buying our own IPs....IPv4? IPv6

2008-09-05 Thread Mike Hammett
Upstream protection is the #1 reason to have your own IP block. Plenty of people have their own IP block, but don't do any of those things. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Charles Wyble

[WISPA] Tower general contractors

2008-09-05 Thread Randy Cosby
We have the opportunity to get on a tower owned by Crown Castle International for a pretty decent rent. However, they want the general contractor over any work to have a 5 million dollar umbrella policy. Having a hard time finding a general with anything near that. Any recommendations in the

Re: [WISPA] Considering ARIN and buying our own IPs....IPv4? IPv6

2008-09-05 Thread Mike Hammett
You can request a /22 if you can demonstrate efficient use of a /23 if multihomed. Otherwise, you need to demonstrate a /20. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Faisal Imtiaz [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [WISPA] Tower general contractors

2008-09-05 Thread Chuck McCown - 3
We are a general contractor with 10 million I think. That much insurance is not all that expensive. Any general contractor should be able to buy a one time rider to their policy to bump up the coverage. - Original Message - From: Randy Cosby [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] Tower general contractors

2008-09-05 Thread Randy Cosby
I'll see if our current candidate is willing to do this. It's such a small job, he's just about ready to throw in the towel dealing with all the red tape as it is. Randy Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: We are a general contractor with 10 million I think. That much insurance is not all that

Re: [WISPA] Preventing backwards router problems

2008-09-05 Thread Butch Evans
On Fri, 5 Sep 2008, Dennis Burgess wrote: What they make Mikrotik for! :) And ImageStream, too. The point Jeff was making is that there are some optimizations that should be handled that are not in the default configuration of most Linux distros. --

Re: [WISPA] Considering ARIN and buying our own IPs....IPv4? IPv6

2008-09-05 Thread Tom DeReggi
The first thing to understand is if you are prepaired to adequately route with your own IPs. There is a clear advantage to ahving your own IPs, from the perspective that you will no longer be held hostage by your upstream, having the freedom to be portable between transit providers. However,

Re: [WISPA] Tower general contractors

2008-09-05 Thread Tom DeReggi
Thats not bad. Many times they want 10,000. It should not be hard to get a 5 million umbrella. Any insurance company will do it. The catch is 1) Get your primary as a 1 million coverage, and then get teh Umbrella as an additional 4 million. The umbrella is a seperate line item. What this