Re: [WISPA] How to Authenticate/Protect(Was Ethernet based authentication)

[Tom DeReggi]

Mac,

I'm surprised you haven't been able to get funds from the governements to 
help keep the network going this far along in the game.
I recognized that the first two months was gonna have to be donated, but 
with the network up, I'd think government would kick in at this point to 
help keep it going. Expecially with Mayors (New Orelans) boasting about 
their own networks they are building.
What steps have you tried to get formal assistance from the governements 
(local,state, or federal) apposed to just donations?
I'm sure this is an issue of time more than anything, (paperwork and grant 
writing sucks :-( ), but was courious what you've tried so far.
As much as I respect what you have done to make all this happen in a time of 
need, without asking what you'd get in return, sooner or later this project 
is going to have to get funded to keep it going.


Tom DeReggi
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- Original Message - 
From: "Mac Dearman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

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Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 12:09 AM
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authentication)



When I first started I used a YDI BCU and still have 2 of them and a 
Brilan BCU. It authenticates via MAC addy and when I tell you it will 
absolutely shut down a non paying sub - - believe me it will! It has been 
my main most method of authentication for the last 4 years. I am moving 
over to a MAC/IP via radius here pretty quick as I "may" have some subs 
that have a marginal signal and PPPoE demands a crystal clear and 
glimmering network connection to avoid trouble for a sub to sign on from 
what I have gathered over the years.


  Butche is the PPPoE/MT king - - he can chime in here and straighten all 
of us out on everything from wireless wife trouble to the 2nd Advent!! :-)

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Jason wrote:


Mac,
   The PPTP I mentioned is, according to my understanding, the main VPN 
protocol out there.  The reasons I want to avoid it are that the 
connection has to be initiated through an icon click and the client 
software for Macintosh is 58$.


Mostly, I am looking to authenticate the users...

Jason

Mac Dearman wrote:



 Its called "VPN"  Its the most simple thing you can do to provide 
absolute security with the lowest overhead. If security is your 
issue - - its about the only way to really protect data transfer. IMHO


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Jason wrote:


List,

   I am on the precipice, ready to take the plunge and become a WISP 
(After 1 year of zoning, permits, 16 hr days, etc), but one thing still 
bothers me.  I haven't decided how to authenticate clients to my 
network and REALLY protect their data.  The CPE's I will use, 
rootenna/Senao2611 combos, do only WEP, which only obfuscates data 
nowadays. MAC addresses can be cloned.  Proxy login via a browser is 
obnoxious for the end user.  Ditto PPPoE & VPN logins.  There is just 
no elegant, KISS solution.  I was looking at PPPoE or PPTP 
(poptop/linux) with Radius as my system, since this would accomplish 
it, but seems like so much trouble and overhead.  PPTP is not Mac 
friendly, PPPoE requires clients (gasp) or a router (gack!) and the 
PPPoE server shipping with Linux is meant "for testing purposes only - 
man".  I want an Always On (apparently) system for my clients that just 
works.


How do you other (small) WISPs do this?

   Tangent: How do you Senao 2611 users keep Netbios & windows network 
neighborhood data off the wireless network.  I was told to add a SOHO 
router to the mix, but don't want to invest in more equipment to 
maintain.


Jason Wallace





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Re: [WISPA] How to Authenticate/Protect (Was Ethernet basedauthentication)

[Jason]

Marlon,

   I appreciate the advice.  Mostly I am interested in bullet proof 
authentication of my clients.  Any suggestions?


Jason

Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:


Hiya Jason,

You are mixing your networks  You won't normally run a homebrew 
product to provide a top notch service.


If security is of THAT great an importance to you, you should NOT run 
wifi anything.  Put in something much more off the wall.  It's a lot 
harder to snoop if you don't use one of the world's most common 
protocols.


For these business guys I'd run Trango or something like that.  Good 
stuff but not nearly as much of it in use and no free tools on the 
internet for intercepting and cracking the data stream.


What we do is remind our customers that this is the internet.  They 
are hanging out there for thousands upon thousands of people who's 
only purpose in life is breaking into their machines and seeing what 
they can learn.  If they have data that's that sensitive then they 
need a high end internal firewall and they need to VPN all internet 
traffic.


That help?
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- Original Message - From: "Jason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 3:20 PM
Subject: [WISPA] How to Authenticate/Protect (Was Ethernet 
basedauthentication)




List,

   I am on the precipice, ready to take the plunge and become a WISP 
(After 1 year of zoning, permits, 16 hr days, etc), but one thing 
still bothers me.  I haven't decided how to authenticate clients to 
my network and REALLY protect their data.  The CPE's I will use, 
rootenna/Senao2611 combos, do only WEP, which only obfuscates data 
nowadays. MAC addresses can be cloned.  Proxy login via a browser is 
obnoxious for the end user. Ditto PPPoE & VPN logins.  There is just 
no elegant, KISS solution.  I was looking at PPPoE or PPTP 
(poptop/linux) with Radius as my system, since this would accomplish 
it, but seems like so much trouble and overhead. PPTP is not Mac 
friendly, PPPoE requires clients (gasp) or a router (gack!) and the 
PPPoE server shipping with Linux is meant "for testing purposes only 
- man".  I want an Always On (apparently) system for my clients that 
just works.


How do you other (small) WISPs do this?

   Tangent: How do you Senao 2611 users keep Netbios & windows 
network neighborhood data off the wireless network.  I was told to 
add a SOHO router to the mix, but don't want to invest in more 
equipment to maintain.


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Re: [WISPA] FCC

[Matt Liotta]

I am not sure who is tasked with writing a report on our visit to the 
FCC. I do think it would be interested to do a conference call with 
interested parties to discuss.


-Matt

Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:


Cool!

Just this week WISPA had a team at the FCC who met with Fred.  
Hopefully they'll issue some reports to us all soon :-).


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- Original Message - From: "Peter R." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 3:17 PM
Subject: [WISPA] FCC



Martin Names New Wireless Legal Advisor
Posted on: 12/02/2005

FCC Chairman Kevin Martin said today Fred Campbell will serve as his 
legal advisor for wireless issues.


Campbell most recently was an attorney advisor in the wireline 
competition bureau.


Before joining the commission, Campbell worked as an attorney for the 
law firm of Harris, Wiltshire and Grannis, where he addressed legal 
issues associated with the provisioning of domestic and international 
telecommunications services.


Campbell previously practiced commercial litigation with the law firm 
of Wolfe Snowden and served as an adjunct faculty member at the 
University of Nebraska College of Law. Prior to that, he clerked for 
Judge William M. Connolly of the Nebraska Supreme Court.


Campbell has served in the U.S. Army. He also earned his B.A. from 
the University of the State of New York and his J.D. from the 
University of Nebraska College of Law.


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Re: [WISPA] FCC

[Brian Rohrbacher]

Oh, I guess it's been a long week for me.  :)

Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:

They just went last week Wednesday.  I'll pass along what they send me 
when I get it :-).


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- Original Message - From: "Brian Rohrbacher" 
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Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC



Where is the report from the FCC trip a couple weeks back?

Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:


Cool!

Just this week WISPA had a team at the FCC who met with Fred.  
Hopefully they'll issue some reports to us all soon :-).


laters,
Marlon
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42846865 (icq)And I run my own 
wisp!

64.146.146.12 (net meeting)
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- Original Message - From: "Peter R." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 3:17 PM
Subject: [WISPA] FCC



Martin Names New Wireless Legal Advisor
Posted on: 12/02/2005

FCC Chairman Kevin Martin said today Fred Campbell will serve as 
his legal advisor for wireless issues.


Campbell most recently was an attorney advisor in the wireline 
competition bureau.


Before joining the commission, Campbell worked as an attorney for 
the law firm of Harris, Wiltshire and Grannis, where he addressed 
legal issues associated with the provisioning of domestic and 
international telecommunications services.


Campbell previously practiced commercial litigation with the law 
firm of Wolfe Snowden and served as an adjunct faculty member at 
the University of Nebraska College of Law. Prior to that, he 
clerked for Judge William M. Connolly of the Nebraska Supreme Court.


Campbell has served in the U.S. Army. He also earned his B.A. from 
the University of the State of New York and his J.D. from the 
University of Nebraska College of Law.


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Re: [WISPA] FCC

[Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181]

They just went last week Wednesday.  I'll pass along what they send me when 
I get it :-).


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- Original Message - 
From: "Brian Rohrbacher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC



Where is the report from the FCC trip a couple weeks back?

Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:


Cool!

Just this week WISPA had a team at the FCC who met with Fred.  Hopefully 
they'll issue some reports to us all soon :-).


laters,
Marlon
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42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp!
64.146.146.12 (net meeting)
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- Original Message - From: "Peter R." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 3:17 PM
Subject: [WISPA] FCC



Martin Names New Wireless Legal Advisor
Posted on: 12/02/2005

FCC Chairman Kevin Martin said today Fred Campbell will serve as his 
legal advisor for wireless issues.


Campbell most recently was an attorney advisor in the wireline 
competition bureau.


Before joining the commission, Campbell worked as an attorney for the 
law firm of Harris, Wiltshire and Grannis, where he addressed legal 
issues associated with the provisioning of domestic and international 
telecommunications services.


Campbell previously practiced commercial litigation with the law firm of 
Wolfe Snowden and served as an adjunct faculty member at the University 
of Nebraska College of Law. Prior to that, he clerked for Judge William 
M. Connolly of the Nebraska Supreme Court.


Campbell has served in the U.S. Army. He also earned his B.A. from the 
University of the State of New York and his J.D. from the University of 
Nebraska College of Law.


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Re: [WISPA] FCC

[Brian Rohrbacher]

Where is the report from the FCC trip a couple weeks back?

Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:


Cool!

Just this week WISPA had a team at the FCC who met with Fred.  
Hopefully they'll issue some reports to us all soon :-).


laters,
Marlon
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- Original Message - From: "Peter R." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 3:17 PM
Subject: [WISPA] FCC



Martin Names New Wireless Legal Advisor
Posted on: 12/02/2005

FCC Chairman Kevin Martin said today Fred Campbell will serve as his 
legal advisor for wireless issues.


Campbell most recently was an attorney advisor in the wireline 
competition bureau.


Before joining the commission, Campbell worked as an attorney for the 
law firm of Harris, Wiltshire and Grannis, where he addressed legal 
issues associated with the provisioning of domestic and international 
telecommunications services.


Campbell previously practiced commercial litigation with the law firm 
of Wolfe Snowden and served as an adjunct faculty member at the 
University of Nebraska College of Law. Prior to that, he clerked for 
Judge William M. Connolly of the Nebraska Supreme Court.


Campbell has served in the U.S. Army. He also earned his B.A. from 
the University of the State of New York and his J.D. from the 
University of Nebraska College of Law.


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Re: [WISPA] FCC

[Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181]

Cool!

Just this week WISPA had a team at the FCC who met with Fred.  Hopefully 
they'll issue some reports to us all soon :-).


laters,
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- Original Message - 
From: "Peter R." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 3:17 PM
Subject: [WISPA] FCC



Martin Names New Wireless Legal Advisor
Posted on: 12/02/2005

FCC Chairman Kevin Martin said today Fred Campbell will serve as his legal 
advisor for wireless issues.


Campbell most recently was an attorney advisor in the wireline competition 
bureau.


Before joining the commission, Campbell worked as an attorney for the law 
firm of Harris, Wiltshire and Grannis, where he addressed legal issues 
associated with the provisioning of domestic and international 
telecommunications services.


Campbell previously practiced commercial litigation with the law firm of 
Wolfe Snowden and served as an adjunct faculty member at the University of 
Nebraska College of Law. Prior to that, he clerked for Judge William M. 
Connolly of the Nebraska Supreme Court.


Campbell has served in the U.S. Army. He also earned his B.A. from the 
University of the State of New York and his J.D. from the University of 
Nebraska College of Law.


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Re: [WISPA] How to Authenticate/Protect (Was Ethernet basedauthentication)

[Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181]

Hiya Jason,

You are mixing your networks  You won't normally run a homebrew product 
to provide a top notch service.


If security is of THAT great an importance to you, you should NOT run wifi 
anything.  Put in something much more off the wall.  It's a lot harder to 
snoop if you don't use one of the world's most common protocols.


For these business guys I'd run Trango or something like that.  Good stuff 
but not nearly as much of it in use and no free tools on the internet for 
intercepting and cracking the data stream.


What we do is remind our customers that this is the internet.  They are 
hanging out there for thousands upon thousands of people who's only purpose 
in life is breaking into their machines and seeing what they can learn.  If 
they have data that's that sensitive then they need a high end internal 
firewall and they need to VPN all internet traffic.


That help?
Marlon
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- Original Message - 
From: "Jason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 3:20 PM
Subject: [WISPA] How to Authenticate/Protect (Was Ethernet 
basedauthentication)




List,

   I am on the precipice, ready to take the plunge and become a WISP 
(After 1 year of zoning, permits, 16 hr days, etc), but one thing still 
bothers me.  I haven't decided how to authenticate clients to my network 
and REALLY protect their data.  The CPE's I will use, rootenna/Senao2611 
combos, do only WEP, which only obfuscates data nowadays. MAC addresses 
can be cloned.  Proxy login via a browser is obnoxious for the end user. 
Ditto PPPoE & VPN logins.  There is just no elegant, KISS solution.  I was 
looking at PPPoE or PPTP (poptop/linux) with Radius as my system, since 
this would accomplish it, but seems like so much trouble and overhead. 
PPTP is not Mac friendly, PPPoE requires clients (gasp) or a router 
(gack!) and the PPPoE server shipping with Linux is meant "for testing 
purposes only - man".  I want an Always On (apparently) system for my 
clients that just works.


How do you other (small) WISPs do this?

   Tangent: How do you Senao 2611 users keep Netbios & windows network 
neighborhood data off the wireless network.  I was told to add a SOHO 
router to the mix, but don't want to invest in more equipment to maintain.


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Re: [WISPA] the best 120* Sector

[Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181]

Maxrad has a really nice new one.  About $200 from EC.  I installed one for 
a customer in the mid west.  As far as I know it's still working well for 
them.


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Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 5:48 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] the best 120* Sector



try:

http://itelite.net/

I've been using their 2.4GHz H-pol antennas for years now.  They work 
well.


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Ron Wallace wrote:


To All,

What is the best 120* sector antenna, F-B ratio <-25-30dB, I want HPOL, 
14-16 dB gain, 15* VBeam, must cost under $300, anyone???


I have been looking, and seen some but you all have more experience.  Plus 
I must reduce the amount of RFI at my tower, and across my system.


I will doing an RFI survey w/ SA and Antennas.

Any help would be appreciated, Come on now you antenna guru's.

Ron Wallace
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220 S. Jackson St.
Addison, MI 49220

Phone:  (517) 547-8410
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[WISPA] Customer Needs Service in MI

[Brian Rohrbacher]

Albion, MI 49224

This is a business connection.

Hit me OFFLIST is you can service.


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Re: [WISPA] Anyone here have business service in Peoria, IL?

[Barry at Mutual Data]

Hello Tony,

Duopolist-  good one. Had to think for a second on that one.

Barry

Wednesday, November 30, 2005, 5:59:12 PM, you wrote:

TW> I wanted to see if anyone here could serve any of these 4 locations in
TW> Peoria before I pass them to a duopolist.

TW> http://tony3.com/locations.jpg

TW> I'm looking for ~$100/mo ~1Mbps symmetric connectivity for each
TW> location.  If you're close to these numbers let me know and I'll see
TW> what I can do.  They probably will use <1GB/mo of bandwidth at any of
TW> the locations, but there was some talk about remote video in the future.

TW> Thanks,
TW> Tony



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Re: [WISPA] FW: wireless service Southwest Michigan, Allegan County

[Blair Davis]

Thanks for the tip  We have sent him a flyer and will follow up.  He 
is far enough out that an outdoor antenna will be needed


Brian Rohrbacher wrote:


http://www.wmwisp.net

That would be Blair Davis.


Brian Webster wrote:

I just received this email from a guy looking for service in this 
area. He
is located in the Southwest corner of Allegan county Michigan. I 
didn't know
of anyone off the top of my head so here it is. I replied to him and 
said I

would send his request to the lists. Contact him direct.



Thank You,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 1:31 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: wireless


Hi,

I live in a rural area in Michigan and have a question about wireless. I
am trying to determine if there is anyone in my area that has a tower
close enough for me to receive wireless internet.  I do not know 
where to

begin. I found one company in our area but they are not close enough and
they use antenna equipment (i2kwireless.com). I do have Alltel cell 
phones

and they do work most of the time(occasional dropped calls)-which may be
rectified with a booster.  With your resources could you please give 
me a
direction to go to find a tower/service provider in my area? My 
address is

1190 62nd Fennville, MI 49408. Thank you.

Bob Buckius
616-283-4298



 






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269-686-8648

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Re: [WISPA] waverider ccu

[Barry at Mutual Data]

IIRC, the packets no match on the EUM side shows the total of packets 
that do not belong to the eum and its particular data stream ( ie all 
the other EUM "conversations")


This problem is a prime example why not having a SSID is wrong. just 
setting up a second CCU on the same frequency can screw the network.


Barry





Ray & Jean wrote:


hello
anyone running waverider 900 mhz understand what packets nomatch 
means.about a week ago our ccu started showing about 85% packets 
nomatch.contacted waverider and they said it meant someone was 
broadcasting on the same frequency we were using and recomended we 
remove our filter and change to 918.4 mhz from 911.6 mhz.We did that 
and it solved the problem till today.now the CCU is showing 0 no 
matches but all the EUMs are showing about 85% packet nomatches.does 
anyone have any idea what could be causing this problem?
Any input would be appreciated we are stumped as to why all eums can 
be hearing these nomatch packets but not the ccu?

Thanks
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RE: [WISPA] the best 120* Sector

[Paul Hendry]

900MHz, 2.4GHz or 5GHz?

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Behalf Of Ron Wallace
Sent: 04 December 2005 22:55
To: WISP; Wispa; WISPA; Wispers
Subject: [WISPA] the best 120* Sector

To All,

What is the best 120* sector antenna, F-B ratio <-25-30dB, I want HPOL, 
14-16 dB gain, 15* VBeam, must cost under $300, anyone???

I have been looking, and seen some but you all have more experience.  
Plus I must reduce the amount of RFI at my tower, and across my system.

I will doing an RFI survey w/ SA and Antennas.

Any help would be appreciated, Come on now you antenna guru's.

Ron Wallace
Hahnron, Inc.
220 S. Jackson St.
Addison, MI 49220

Phone:  (517) 547-8410
Mobile:  (517) 605-4542
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