Re: [WISPA] 3 ft Dual Pol antennas

2006-01-27 Thread Matt Liotta

Tom DeReggi wrote:

Have you confirmed wether the Andrews 3 ft dishes really deliver the 2 
db extra gain (34 db)?



We have.

-Matt

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Re: [WISPA] USF tax changes?

2006-01-27 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
I had a call the other day from someone at the Congressional Budget Office. 
It *looks* like there is a move afoot to expand USF to broadband.


I believe this would only be a good thing for the market.

Out here the telco gets $109 per month per phone line.  And they require a 
phone line for DSL service.


So $15 per phone line.
$30 per dsl.
$109 per line in usf funds.

Nearly $160 per month per sub.  And I get $35.  Oh joy!

Now if I could get $109 too!  At nearly 300 subs today  Man could I put 
in a nice network!  And afford to go where others aren't going yet.


And the value of a wisp would REALLY shoot through the roof.

I'm not a big fan of government meddling but one of two things has to happen 
here.  Either they drop usf (most rural telcos would fold so this is 
unlikely) or expand it to include us and cable and sat.  Like it or not, 
government funding was used for electrification, phones, roads etc.  If the 
competition is going to get subsidized, we should to.


WISPA needs to support this move.  In a big way.
Marlon
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42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp!
64.146.146.12 (net meeting)
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Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 6:08 PM
Subject: [WISPA] USF tax changes?



Does WISPA have a stand on this?

http://techrepublic.com.com/2100-1035-5959140.html?tag=nl.e550

As one who has built my network without any public money, I have no 
interest in collecting special taxes.  I have more than enough paperwork 
now...


I also don't want my competitors to get government money to build their 
networks.  But locally, I have found out that they are getting government 
grants to expand into my area.  Having seen their install rates, monthly 
fees and tower provisioning costs, they would not be making any money if 
they did not have the government footing the bill.


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RE: [WISPA] 900Mhz Grid vs Yagi

2006-01-27 Thread danlist
Yagi's performance like crap w/ snow and ice on them though

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 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz Grid vs Yagi
 
 A bit old here  But check out:
 http://www.odessaoffice.com/wireless/antenna/how_to_pick_the_right_antenna.htm
 There are radiation pattern examples there.  As a general rule I'd have to
 say that yagi's are quite a bit better than grids.
 
 laters,
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 Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 5:09 PM
 Subject: [WISPA] 900Mhz Grid vs Yagi
 
 
 
  PacWireless makes a 900Mhz 18 dbi Parabolic grid antenna.
  M2 makes a 900Mhz 17.5 dbi Yagi antenna.
 
  We had found that 900 was very particular to placement, even a few inches
  in one direction or the other can make big differences in link quality.
  Has anyone used both antenna types for a specific link, to compare the
  properties of each of the designs. The thought is whether the wider
  surface area of the parabolic antenna would make it better to survive
  signal obstruction from swaying trees in forests.  The prabolic is a
  monster at 3 ft dia, s othe Yagi would clearly be a better choice for a
  roof top chimney install based on cosmetics.  But wondering from a
  performance perspective the comparison.
 
  Tom DeReggi
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[WISPA] EtherAnt - Outdoor Ethernet Splice

2006-01-27 Thread Mark Nash
For those of you who are needing to transition away from Terabeam products 
with the round, 6-conductor outdoor connector to a standard RJ45, I have 
found my plan to do it.  I'm going to make pigtails that will connect to 
that connector.


If you don't know, the connector is made by SwitchCraft, their EN3 Mini 
Weathertight Series.  Since the beginning of the EtherAnt product line, 
YDI/Terabeam has been charging extreme amounts for these cables ($50 for 
25-foot cable, $100 for 75-foot...go figure on that one-it's just some extra 
outdoor cat5 cable so where's the cost? I told Mr. Young 4 years ago that it 
was unethical to charge that much for the longer lengths.)  So we bought 
about 5 cables in the beginning then found the connector and have been 
making them ourselves ever since, saving about $40 per 25-foot cable.


Problem is that while they DO make a crimp connector, it's not meant for 
conductors as small as a cat5 conductor.  So we solder them onto the cable 
on the spool...either in the truck at the install or at the shop.


Well I've digressed...the point is that there is an in-line weathertight 
RECEPTACLE to this plug.  So I'm going to make pigtails with them and use 
them when I swap out the EtherAnt products.  They also make a bulkhead 
Panel Mount receptable.


Even though they are 'weathertight', we still tape them.

I get the plugs from the vendor I use the most, StreakWave 
http://www.streakwave.com.


You can get them at Digi-Key http://www.digikey.com.

Here are the SwitchCraft part numbers that I use:

Plug: EN3C6M
In-line Receptable: EN3L6F
Panel Mount Receptacle: EN3P6F

I've attached a pin-out image for cat5 cable into the PLUG for making the 
CPE cable.  RECEPTACLE would obviously mirror this.  This pin-out is 
standard amongst all YDI/Terabeam/Now Proxim products that use this plug.


These two products together will make the 'Outdoor Ethernet Splice possible 
as well, but soldering on a ladder is no fun.  I'm trying another product 
for that (discussed on this list a week ago or so).


Mark Nash
Network Engineer
UnwiredOnline.Net
325 Holly Street
Junction City, OR 97448
http://www.uwol.net
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Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna

2006-01-27 Thread Tom DeReggi




What are the advantages of using
both polarities for the same signal in a good LOS environment?


There isn't.
But having one on standby means, that when someone deploys on that 
channel/pol, in seconds you can switch polarities, to get past it.
Broadcasting on DualPols, does have benefits in NLOS environments.  However, 
the antenna design is more critical for transmitting on both at the same 
time.  Often the Dual Pol antenna is used to create Circular polarity, such 
as the higher end Proxim Dual Pol gear.  Or Orthogon that may compare 
signals to self correct them.


Tom DeReggi



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I'm not saying there isn;t a benefit now and then sharing a Dual pol 
antenna


between two freqs, otherwise nobody would make them. BUt

We have found most tower agreements also, have restrictions in the 
agreement


that disallow using multiple radios our spectrum ranges on the antennas
without paying for that as a second antenna, even though taking up only 
one

antenna position.

We found that its just as easy to sneak/put up a second antenna, without
managers knowledge as it is to put up a dual freq antenna without them
knowing.  So normally you gotta pay regardless, if you do it honestly. It
becomes an issue of wether you are honest about what you put up, versus
sneaking up extra options without paying.   Wether its spectrum or 
antennas
is irrelevant.  Most tower owners don't audit their sides regularly 
because

its jsut to expensive and even if they do, the auditors often are over
worked, and don't always check thouroughly what they are required to
supposed to check.  Most colocators also aren't short on antenna space, so
they are really charging you based on the value you are receiving being
there, not really the actually antenna space. Although special cases do
apply such as with windload requirement of over weighted towers or towers
like clock tower that have a limited number of window openings for the
antennas.

I also find saving money isn't that much of a savings because the antenna
makers then also charge more for the dual pol antennas to counter most of
your planned savings.

However, saving on time, clearly is an option, with only one antenna to
carry and bolt up.  However you may run into issues, where the alignment 
of
the antennas may need to be varied to get optimal signal based on wether 
you


are aligning for 5.8 or 2.4. So because we like to engineer for OPTIMAL
signal, apposed to compromised mostly best signal, we prefer to use 
seperate


antennas.

As a disclaimer: We pay for all our colocated antennas at our cell sites,
and we do that because we honor our tower relationships, and have 
negotiated


good terms, and do not want to abuse the trust they have in us, so we
maintain good relations.  I mention sneaking up antennas only because, 
every


once in a while, we may have sneaked up an antenna to do the inital 
testing

(which often requires it left there for a few days), so that we can avoid
the lengthly antenna request process and timely paper work until after we
are certain that the link is doable and tested.  We justify sneaking the
antenna up, because not only are we saving us time, we also are saving the
management a lot of time, preventing the need to do paperwork
unnecessarilly, if we are unsuccessful in pulling off the link we
engineered.   I do not advise attempting to pull one over on Management
companies. If the Management company does not care what spectrum gets 
used,

and charging just for the antenna space, the more power to you for being
smarter.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 10:30 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna



Who sells dual band antennas? That could save some money on tower space
and
simplify some installations.

Thanks,
Chadd

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.  However, I am aware of many successfuly
using 2.4 and 5.8 from the same antenna.


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Re: [WISPA] 3 ft Dual Pol antennas

2006-01-27 Thread Tom DeReggi

Dustin,


It's disturbing that you take offense when someone makes a profit
for building a better product


You have misunderstood. No offense was taken.  My point was that just 
because it has a higher price tag does not make it a better antenna.  Many 
people assume a name brand means better, which rarely is the case, it just 
means they spend more money on marketing.  Also, I just questioned, what 
value should be given to a product of a higher price. If I pay twice the 
price, do I get twice the benefit from the product? In andrews case, a 
better mount does not add value for me, as the competitor mount is already 
good enough.  Travis, Posted an interesting point about the Drum design 
antenna, that added a much ,arger value for him, getting rid of truck rolls 
to the top of the mountain every time it snows daily.  I'd pay an extra $300 
for that benefit any day of the week.


I don't mind paying more for value. I just expect to understand clearly what 
that value is, and I need that value to be proven.


There may be many on this list including myself, that may not totally 
understand all the factors to consider in an antenna.
With Dual Pol 900 Tilteks, I learned the value, and have no hesitance to pay 
the price.


We've discussed many reasons, why one antenna could be better than another, 
however, not all the antennas we have discussed as a overly priced antenna 
possessesthose higher quality traits.


I've considered using Andrews, because the extra, 2 db gain, but I wanted to 
know that was infact the case. Manufacturers often do exadurate their spec 
sheets. You never know.


Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: dustin jurman [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 1:02 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] 3 ft Dual Pol antennas


So if I read this correctly, I guess you drive a VW bug.  (I hope that got 
a

big laugh after your rant)

I think the point was made in an earlier email that quality and 
performance

go hand in hand but don't take my word on it, This is an excellent project
for Charles to do in the next WINOG that I plan to attend.

While pure gain is a small part of the equation, how clean the frequency 
is

received is another, What about Front to back ratio's? I have two Spectra
radio's collocated on the same tower on the same freq at the same height 
on

some 3 foot dishes.  (Ok they are 20 feet apart! But horizontal not
vertical).  But Spectra/Moto300's are super sensitive so they hear a lot
more than the standard 802.11a radio.

You really can see dish quality with the Orthogon/moto radio's because 
they

give you so much information on how the signal is received over a generic
RSSI or DBM level.  Charles are you listening?  A lot of value can be 
taken

from this rant.

Lastly since you are really broaching a few different subjects, if you 
want

to talk about value of your services and time we should start another
thread. It's disturbing that you take offense when someone makes a profit
for building a better product. At a time when ISP's should be going 
wireless

or deploying their own network why do you want to compete with the LEC?

Tom, I'll buy you a beer at ISPCON - I love productive threads.

Dustin Jurman
President
Rapid Systems Corporation
1211 N. Westshore Blvd
Tampa, FL 33607
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


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Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 7:13 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3 ft Dual Pol antennas

Dustin,

Your point is well taken, and I agree not all complete packages are 
created

equal.

However, 2 points

1) I never had a Pac Wireless dish move on me yet. So there is nothing 
wrong

with being cheaper and cheesier, if its good enough for the job.

2) Product is cheap to manufacturer in quantity.  man hours (labor)on the
other hand isn't, expecially mine.  No matter how much volume I do, my 
labor

doesn;t get cheaper, I'd argue that my labor rate goes up the more work I
have, because its in finite supply, unlike product that has an infinite
supply.

My point is, my job is to put money in my pocket, or pass the savings on 
to

my subscribers, not to put money in the pocket of a manufacturer that over
engineers. Its like the restaurants that attract people by givingthem 
these
huge platefulls of food, that rarely can ever be eaten in full, and half 
of

goes in the trash can. I'd rather save a dollar, than pay for waste.

We need cost effective alternatives for product. The most cost effective
vendors will sell more product.  Its the nature of the world we live in.
There's no room for fat, in todays competitive world.

However, with that said, I am one to pay for quality, when there is in 
fact
additional value delivered worth paying for, apposed to the fabrocation 
that

quality is added based on name brand recognition.

For example, my 

RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna

2006-01-27 Thread dustin jurman
Moto300/Orthogons can do dual payload so you need both polarities to achieve
300 megs. 

DSJ



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 3:52 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna



 What are the advantages of using
 both polarities for the same signal in a good LOS environment?

There isn't.
But having one on standby means, that when someone deploys on that
channel/pol, in seconds you can switch polarities, to get past it.
Broadcasting on DualPols, does have benefits in NLOS environments.  However,
the antenna design is more critical for transmitting on both at the same
time.  Often the Dual Pol antenna is used to create Circular polarity, such
as the higher end Proxim Dual Pol gear.  Or Orthogon that may compare
signals to self correct them.

Tom DeReggi


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
 Sent: 17 January 2006 18:08
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna

 I'm not saying there isn;t a benefit now and then sharing a Dual pol 
 antenna

 between two freqs, otherwise nobody would make them. BUt

 We have found most tower agreements also, have restrictions in the 
 agreement

 that disallow using multiple radios our spectrum ranges on the 
 antennas without paying for that as a second antenna, even though 
 taking up only one antenna position.

 We found that its just as easy to sneak/put up a second antenna, 
 without managers knowledge as it is to put up a dual freq antenna 
 without them knowing.  So normally you gotta pay regardless, if you do 
 it honestly. It becomes an issue of wether you are honest about what you
put up, versus
 sneaking up extra options without paying.   Wether its spectrum or 
 antennas
 is irrelevant.  Most tower owners don't audit their sides regularly 
 because its jsut to expensive and even if they do, the auditors often 
 are over worked, and don't always check thouroughly what they are 
 required to supposed to check.  Most colocators also aren't short on 
 antenna space, so they are really charging you based on the value you 
 are receiving being there, not really the actually antenna space. 
 Although special cases do apply such as with windload requirement of 
 over weighted towers or towers like clock tower that have a limited 
 number of window openings for the antennas.

 I also find saving money isn't that much of a savings because the 
 antenna makers then also charge more for the dual pol antennas to 
 counter most of your planned savings.

 However, saving on time, clearly is an option, with only one antenna 
 to carry and bolt up.  However you may run into issues, where the 
 alignment of the antennas may need to be varied to get optimal signal 
 based on wether you

 are aligning for 5.8 or 2.4. So because we like to engineer for 
 OPTIMAL signal, apposed to compromised mostly best signal, we prefer 
 to use seperate

 antennas.

 As a disclaimer: We pay for all our colocated antennas at our cell 
 sites, and we do that because we honor our tower relationships, and 
 have negotiated

 good terms, and do not want to abuse the trust they have in us, so we 
 maintain good relations.  I mention sneaking up antennas only because, 
 every

 once in a while, we may have sneaked up an antenna to do the inital 
 testing (which often requires it left there for a few days), so that 
 we can avoid the lengthly antenna request process and timely paper 
 work until after we are certain that the link is doable and tested.  
 We justify sneaking the antenna up, because not only are we saving us 
 time, we also are saving the management a lot of time, preventing the 
 need to do paperwork unnecessarilly, if we are unsuccessful in pulling 
 off the link we
 engineered.   I do not advise attempting to pull one over on Management
 companies. If the Management company does not care what spectrum gets 
 used, and charging just for the antenna space, the more power to you 
 for being smarter.

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


 - Original Message -
 From: Chadd Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 10:30 AM
 Subject: RE: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna


 Who sells dual band antennas? That could save some money on tower 
 space and simplify some installations.

 Thanks,
 Chadd

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 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
 Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 9:19 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radios on Single antenna


 .  However, I am aware of many successfuly using 2.4 and 5.8 from the 
 same antenna.


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[WISPA] Foreign Antennas

2006-01-27 Thread Jason Wallace

Gang,

   I have found several 802.11b antennas produced outside the US that 
I'd like to use.  They are not FCC certified, however.  Do the antennas 
need to be fcc certified or just the radios?  This is assuming that all 
the gain/ERP rules are met.


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RE: [WISPA] 3 ft Dual Pol antennas

2006-01-27 Thread dustin jurman
Well that's true,  It's also dependant on the technology that you are using,
the antenna is only one part. 

Dustin 

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
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Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 4:11 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3 ft Dual Pol antennas

Dustin,

It's disturbing that you take offense when someone makes a profit  for 
building a better product

You have misunderstood. No offense was taken.  My point was that just
because it has a higher price tag does not make it a better antenna.  Many
people assume a name brand means better, which rarely is the case, it just
means they spend more money on marketing.  Also, I just questioned, what
value should be given to a product of a higher price. If I pay twice the
price, do I get twice the benefit from the product? In andrews case, a
better mount does not add value for me, as the competitor mount is already
good enough.  Travis, Posted an interesting point about the Drum design
antenna, that added a much ,arger value for him, getting rid of truck rolls
to the top of the mountain every time it snows daily.  I'd pay an extra $300
for that benefit any day of the week.

I don't mind paying more for value. I just expect to understand clearly what
that value is, and I need that value to be proven.

There may be many on this list including myself, that may not totally
understand all the factors to consider in an antenna.
With Dual Pol 900 Tilteks, I learned the value, and have no hesitance to pay
the price.

We've discussed many reasons, why one antenna could be better than another,
however, not all the antennas we have discussed as a overly priced antenna
possessesthose higher quality traits.

I've considered using Andrews, because the extra, 2 db gain, but I wanted to
know that was infact the case. Manufacturers often do exadurate their spec
sheets. You never know.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message -
From: dustin jurman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 1:02 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] 3 ft Dual Pol antennas


 So if I read this correctly, I guess you drive a VW bug.  (I hope that got

 a
 big laugh after your rant)

 I think the point was made in an earlier email that quality and 
 performance
 go hand in hand but don't take my word on it, This is an excellent project
 for Charles to do in the next WINOG that I plan to attend.

 While pure gain is a small part of the equation, how clean the frequency 
 is
 received is another, What about Front to back ratio's? I have two Spectra
 radio's collocated on the same tower on the same freq at the same height 
 on
 some 3 foot dishes.  (Ok they are 20 feet apart! But horizontal not
 vertical).  But Spectra/Moto300's are super sensitive so they hear a lot
 more than the standard 802.11a radio.

 You really can see dish quality with the Orthogon/moto radio's because 
 they
 give you so much information on how the signal is received over a generic
 RSSI or DBM level.  Charles are you listening?  A lot of value can be 
 taken
 from this rant.

 Lastly since you are really broaching a few different subjects, if you 
 want
 to talk about value of your services and time we should start another
 thread. It's disturbing that you take offense when someone makes a profit
 for building a better product. At a time when ISP's should be going 
 wireless
 or deploying their own network why do you want to compete with the LEC?

 Tom, I'll buy you a beer at ISPCON - I love productive threads.

 Dustin Jurman
 President
 Rapid Systems Corporation
 1211 N. Westshore Blvd
 Tampa, FL 33607
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
 Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 7:13 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3 ft Dual Pol antennas

 Dustin,

 Your point is well taken, and I agree not all complete packages are 
 created
 equal.

 However, 2 points

 1) I never had a Pac Wireless dish move on me yet. So there is nothing 
 wrong
 with being cheaper and cheesier, if its good enough for the job.

 2) Product is cheap to manufacturer in quantity.  man hours (labor)on the
 other hand isn't, expecially mine.  No matter how much volume I do, my 
 labor
 doesn;t get cheaper, I'd argue that my labor rate goes up the more work I
 have, because its in finite supply, unlike product that has an infinite
 supply.

 My point is, my job is to put money in my pocket, or pass the savings on 
 to
 my subscribers, not to put money in the pocket of a manufacturer that over
 engineers. Its like the restaurants that attract people by givingthem 
 these
 huge platefulls of food, that rarely can ever be eaten in full, and half 
 of
 goes in the trash can. I'd rather save a dollar, than pay for waste.

 We need cost effective alternatives for product. The most cost 

Re: [WISPA] 3 ft Dual Pol antennas

2006-01-27 Thread Matt Liotta

Tom DeReggi wrote:

There may be many on this list including myself, that may not totally 
understand all the factors to consider in an antenna.
With Dual Pol 900 Tilteks, I learned the value, and have no hesitance 
to pay the price.



What was the value?

-Matt

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RE: [WISPA] Foreign Antennas

2006-01-27 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
Antenna has to be certified as long as the radio, and then together they
both have to be certified. You could have a certified radio and antenna
but if they aren't certified to be used together then its illegal. 

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
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Bucyrus, OH 44820
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Gang,

I have found several 802.11b antennas produced outside the US that 
I'd like to use.  They are not FCC certified, however.  Do the antennas 
need to be fcc certified or just the radios?  This is assuming that all 
the gain/ERP rules are met.

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Re: [WISPA] Foreign Antennas

2006-01-27 Thread Mark Koskenmaki
It's also illegal for you to consume alcohol.

Any list readers care to bet whether he has always followed that law or not?


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 Antenna has to be certified as long as the radio, and then together they
 both have to be certified. You could have a certified radio and antenna
 but if they aren't certified to be used together then its illegal.

 Kurt Fankhauser
 WAVELINC
 114 S. Walnut St.
 Bucyrus, OH 44820
 419-562-6405
 www.wavelinc.com


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 Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 1:31 PM
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 Gang,

 I have found several 802.11b antennas produced outside the US that
 I'd like to use.  They are not FCC certified, however.  Do the antennas
 need to be fcc certified or just the radios?  This is assuming that all
 the gain/ERP rules are met.

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Re: [WISPA] 3 ft Dual Pol antennas

2006-01-27 Thread Tom DeReggi

I could get 3 Horizontal pol 900 antennas back to back on a tower.
Great Front to back ratio on them, with sharp cut offs on edges. Atleast by 
900Mhz standards.


Tom DeReggi
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IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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Tom DeReggi wrote:

There may be many on this list including myself, that may not totally 
understand all the factors to consider in an antenna.
With Dual Pol 900 Tilteks, I learned the value, and have no hesitance to 
pay the price.



What was the value?

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Re: [WISPA] Foreign Antennas

2006-01-27 Thread Mark Koskenmaki

- Original Message - 
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 Its also illegal for you to drive on a suspended license. At least I
 don't drink and drive, especially when there is a U-Haul trailer behind
 the vehicle.

Yes, it is.   I'm glad I don't do that kinda stuff...   One has enough
trouble staying out of trouble without inviting it...





 Kurt Fankhauser
 WAVELINC
 114 S. Walnut St.
 Bucyrus, OH 44820
 419-562-6405
 www.wavelinc.com


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Mark Koskenmaki
 Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 5:20 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Foreign Antennas

 It's also illegal for you to consume alcohol.

 Any list readers care to bet whether he has always followed that law or
 not?


 North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061
 personal correspondence to:  mark at neofast dot net
 sales inquiries to:  purchasing at neofast dot net
 Fast Internet, NO WIRES!
 
 
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 From: Kurt Fankhauser [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 5:56 PM
 Subject: RE: [WISPA] Foreign Antennas


  Antenna has to be certified as long as the radio, and then together
 they
  both have to be certified. You could have a certified radio and
 antenna
  but if they aren't certified to be used together then its illegal.
 
  Kurt Fankhauser
  WAVELINC
  114 S. Walnut St.
  Bucyrus, OH 44820
  419-562-6405
  www.wavelinc.com
 
 
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 On
  Behalf Of Jason Wallace
  Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 1:31 PM
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  Subject: [WISPA] Foreign Antennas
 
  Gang,
 
  I have found several 802.11b antennas produced outside the US that
  I'd like to use.  They are not FCC certified, however.  Do the
 antennas
  need to be fcc certified or just the radios?  This is assuming that
 all
  the gain/ERP rules are met.
 
  Jason Wallace
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