RE: [WISPA] Novel way to reach Canopy Cluster on pole
image not found -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ralph Fowler Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2006 4:34 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Novel way to reach Canopy Cluster on pole What to do when the cluster is too high for a ladder? I'll bet some of you can figure out what this is g http://ralphfowler.com/climb_to_cluster.jpg -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Novel way to reach Canopy Cluster on pole
same here Rick Smith wrote: image not found -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ralph Fowler Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2006 4:34 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Novel way to reach Canopy Cluster on pole What to do when the cluster is too high for a ladder? I'll bet some of you can figure out what this is g http://ralphfowler.com/climb_to_cluster.jpg -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Diagnosing interference
I use a spectrum analyzer. It's for rent too :-). EC also has a very nice portable unit (much easier to use) that's available for rent. Or they have them for sale if you're looking for something to keep. I used to use some tools from teletronics but the new version isn't nearly as good. If you just need something that'll give you a ballpark reading they do work better than nothing. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Mike Ireton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2006 11:33 AM Subject: [WISPA] Diagnosing interference In our neck of the woods we have some areas where 802.11 systems simply do not function, period (and this is across a range of frequency bands and equipment manufacturers). And sometimes, in some limited cases, we will have a sub who appears to be experiencing interference that is much louder than our rssi at the sub (say they have a -63, but they still can't reliably hear the ap well enough for communication) and there's nothing really obvious in the area we can see. We know it's radio interference because we can play the channel flipping game, but we'd like to be better than that and actually diagnose the problem and identify the source and direction of the transmitter creating the problem, so that we can plan better and actually provide a resolution that will last for that sub. We know about spectrum analysis and such and actually own a handy unit (the Spectran) but it doesn't give real time data useful for direction finding. What are some of the other tools (hand held or truck mounted, not built-in firmware features) you folks use for this? If we had a tool that would just give us knowledge about the non-household applications present in these areas (where non-household is anything with a larger gain antenna and/or power output than a cordless phone or wireless access point), we could even go so far as to try and coordinate with those applications for the betterment of everyone. But just waking up one morning and learning a long time customer now has an Interference problem you have no way to resolve other than by terminating the business relationship, just really sucks ass in my opinion. And when you run out of tricks like new antennas, equipment, alignments and such, that's exactly what you're left with. Mike- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Novel way to reach Canopy Cluster on pole
dead page for me. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Ralph Fowler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2006 1:33 AM Subject: [WISPA] Novel way to reach Canopy Cluster on pole What to do when the cluster is too high for a ladder? I'll bet some of you can figure out what this is g http://ralphfowler.com/climb_to_cluster.jpg -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik AP/Ubiquiti SR9 Tranzeo CPE 900 MHz
Take note there could be some advantage in using the radio which fully utilizes the lowest part of the band. The farther one can stay away from 930 as possible (paging guys), is a good thing. Trango uses full 6Mhz to maximize full use of band, but if limited to only 5 Mhz, I'd throw away the end portion first. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Mark Nash - Lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 2:27 AM Subject: [WISPA] Mikrotik AP/Ubiquiti SR9 Tranzeo CPE 900 MHz Can't get an association from the Tranzeo 900 MHz CPE to the Mikrotik RB532 with the SR9 card. I can associate with the Tranzeo 900 MHz AP immediately. The only thing that I see that could be causing the problem is the channel table is off. The Ubiquiti card has this: 922 MHz 917 MHz 912 MHz 907 MHz The Tranzeo AP shows this: 923 MHz 918 MHz 913 MHz 908 MHz I've got them both set to 5 MHz channel widths. I've looked for a couple hours now and I can't see where to change the frequency tables on either product (like you can on the Trango). Has anyone gotten this scenario to work? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.8/455 - Release Date: 9/22/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] FW: NY Times broadband article
Don't know if anyone posted this or not. Interesting trend - ilecs selling off landline services in rural areas to smaller, less capitalized companies. http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/28/technology/28vermont.html?ex=115967520 0en -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.9/458 - Release Date: 9/27/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FW: NY Times broadband article
Actually they are attempting to sell off rural assets that they don't want to operate any more to rural ILECs, like CenturyTel. chris cooper wrote: Don't know if anyone posted this or not. Interesting trend - ilecs selling off landline services in rural areas to smaller, less capitalized companies. http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/28/technology/28vermont.html?ex=115967520 0en -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Legal insight?
This outta be a fun and interesting thread: As it relates to this space, rate the following 1-10 (1 being high priority and 10 being I could care a less) in terms of important if you could bend the mind of top legal experts to get an opinion. Add other questions you like answered in your reply. Comment or add to this list: - What good is Form 477 and do we really need to file it? - Does CALEA affect me? How? When? How do I solve it without it costing an arm and a leg? - What's the real risk, if any, of not using certified systems? - What does it mean to have a certified system in the first place? - Don't the revised rules allow me to make the choice about what base station antennas I wish to use? - How is 3650 coming along and how do it look like it will shape up? - Does the FCC really read comments I file on anything? How important (and difficult) is it for me to officially voice my comments? - What the deal with the TV bands? - Are there realistic options for WISPs to get licensed bands? - Do I have to cooperate with other area WISP? - Is there such a thing as malicious interference? - Does any other WISP or operator have any priority over me with unlicensed bands? - When should an STA be asked for and what uses are prohibited with STA's? - What are the biggest gotchas when entering into a site acquisition lease? - Can property managers prevent my subscribers from having an externally mounted antenna? Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Legal insight?
Comments in-line Patrick Leary wrote: This outta be a fun and interesting thread: As it relates to this space, rate the following 1-10 (1 being high priority and 10 being I could care a less) in terms of important if you could bend the mind of top legal experts to get an opinion. Add other questions you like answered in your reply. Comment or add to this list: - What good is Form 477 and do we really need to file it? Break this into 2 parts - What good is Form 477 Rate as a 1 (Why) do we really need to file it? Rate as a 1 - Does CALEA affect me? How? When? How do I solve it without it costing an arm and a leg? rate as 10 - What's the real risk, if any, of not using certified systems? Rate as 3 - What does it mean to have a certified system in the first place? Rate as 3 - Don't the revised rules allow me to make the choice about what base station antennas I wish to use? Rate as 3 - How is 3650 coming along and how do it look like it will shape up? rate as 10 - Does the FCC really read comments I file on anything? How important (and difficult) is it for me to officially voice my comments? Rate as 3 - What the deal with the TV bands? Rate as 1 - Are there realistic options for WISPs to get licensed bands? Rate as 5 - Do I have to cooperate with other area WISP? Rate as 5 - Is there such a thing as malicious interference? Rate as 1 - Does any other WISP or operator have any priority over me with unlicensed bands? Rate as 1 - When should an STA be asked for and what uses are prohibited with STA's? - What are the biggest gotchas when entering into a site acquisition lease? rate as 5 - Can property managers prevent my subscribers from having an externally mounted antenna? Rate as 1 Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 A division of: Camp Communication Services, INC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Diagnosing interference
Mike, I use a Motorola Canopy 2.4 SM to check for interference issues. It is a poor mans SA, but it does show you what you are looking for and it does it real time as well with a pretty nice interface. Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Ireton Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2006 2:45 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Diagnosing interference Ralph Fowler wrote: Spectran? Are you talking about the software for a PC sound card? That's not going to do what you want, for sure! There really isn't a cheap solution. We have an expensive hand held unit, looks like an alien ray gun, that does a range of 0 - 6ghz with down to 1mhz resolution per step. The problems are not enough resolution (can't see any difference between -80dbm and -60dbm, or at least, not without a lot of time consuming tweeking and such), and no real-time sweeping capabillity, making a complete pass take too long for direction finding activities (or at least, for my reletive level of inexperience). What I'd want, I think, is a crt with the wavy lines updated in near real time, in a hand held unit I can take into the field and really see what and where things are. I don't care too much about formallities, I'd just like to see that, yes, there's a -37 between 2454 and 2459mhz and that's why this link isn't working. There were a few units from Berkeley Varitronics that we were considering at one point, but unfortunately we couldn't be permitted to receive a live demonstration and so that $4,000 sale had to be postponed indefinately because we don't buy expensive equipment we're not permitted to try out first. And that's too bad because they really do seem to have some quite useful field testing equipment more tuned and designed for wisp field use than the generic spectrum analysis tools previously mentioned. Mike- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.11/460 - Release Date: 10/1/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Find the Fastest ISP
I found this article catching up on Cranky Geeks (www.crankygeeks.com) it is a bit old (from early August), but I don't remember anyone posting it. http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,1994566,00.asp Those of you in Qwest territory might find it especially useful information. ...On the other end of the scale, Qwest was, by far, the slowest ISP; its DSL service averaged only 109 Kbps on the SurfSpeed test... Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Find the Fastest ISP
This is one of the worst speed test programs I have ever seen. It basically downloads the front web page from several different sites (apple.com, msn.com, microsoft.com, yahoo.com, etc.) and times each download, and then averages them. My PC at work is a P4/2.8ghz with 1GB of RAM. I am connected to our backbone switch with a 100Mbps ethernet connection. Our backbone router has two full DS3's running full BGP routes. Even when I have over 50Mbps of bandwidth available, the SurfSpeed test shows my average speed at 35Kbps. You can download the SurfSpeed program from PC Magazine's website and test it yourself. Travis Microserv Sam Tetherow wrote: I found this article catching up on Cranky Geeks (www.crankygeeks.com) it is a bit old (from early August), but I don't remember anyone posting it. http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,1994566,00.asp Those of you in Qwest territory might find it especially useful information. ...On the other end of the scale, Qwest was, by far, the slowest ISP; its DSL service averaged only 109 Kbps on the SurfSpeed test... Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Find the Fastest ISP
Travis...you're too kind. Agreed...geezy peezy, the latency, too, is awful in these tests. If I test against my office (peer'd with RR) I get nearly 7Mbps... but this stupid thing shows barely 1. My Akamai downloads of various updates show 5-6Mbps. Somebody isn't doing their homework and they certainly should be writing neither columns nor software. . . . j o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 8:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Find the Fastest ISP This is one of the worst speed test programs I have ever seen. It basically downloads the front web page from several different sites (apple.com, msn.com, microsoft.com, yahoo.com, etc.) and times each download, and then averages them. My PC at work is a P4/2.8ghz with 1GB of RAM. I am connected to our backbone switch with a 100Mbps ethernet connection. Our backbone router has two full DS3's running full BGP routes. Even when I have over 50Mbps of bandwidth available, the SurfSpeed test shows my average speed at 35Kbps. You can download the SurfSpeed program from PC Magazine's website and test it yourself. Travis Microserv Sam Tetherow wrote: I found this article catching up on Cranky Geeks (www.crankygeeks.com) it is a bit old (from early August), but I don't remember anyone posting it. http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,1994566,00.asp Those of you in Qwest territory might find it especially useful information. ...On the other end of the scale, Qwest was, by far, the slowest ISP; its DSL service averaged only 109 Kbps on the SurfSpeed test... Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
