Re: [WISPA] Wireless industry slams NAB's white space 'misinformation'

2008-01-18 Thread Jeromie Reeves
Can you explain why you feel that way? On 1/17/08, Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've sent a note to WIA and asked if they'd be interested in a discussion focused on finding common ground between them and us. It's my belief that WISPA needs to fight tooth and nail to keep

Re: [WISPA] Wireless industry slams NAB's white space'misinformation'

2008-01-18 Thread Jeromie Reeves
I assumed that too but would like to be sure I am making the correct assumptions. I also wonder what he feels should be allowed. I know how I feel about it and lacking information, assume everyone feels the same =) On 1/18/08, Jason Hensley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would think that by

Re: [WISPA] Wireless industry slams NAB's whitespace'misinformation'

2008-01-18 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Personal portable devices would also include laptops. HAS to include laptops. I think that a compromise would be to start out with the band as an outdoor or at least fixed antenna only solution. Out door so that we could use it for public safety or mobile devices, but only ones that would

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2008-01-18 Thread Jason Hensley
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Re: [WISPA] Wireless industry slams NAB's white space 'misinformation'

2008-01-18 Thread Mac Dearman
Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves Can you explain why you feel that way? For all the same reasons we complain about now in the trash spectrum we are making a living in. If personal portable devices are allowed in the whitespace then it would be no different than what we have today as far as the

Re: [WISPA] Wireless industry slams NAB's white space'misinformation'

2008-01-18 Thread Jason Hensley
I would think that by personal portable devices he means things like cordless phones, wireless headsets, etc etc. If I understand that right, I would have to concur wholeheartedly. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves Sent:

Re: [WISPA] Wireless industry slams NAB's whitespace'misinformation'

2008-01-18 Thread Jeromie Reeves
Over all I think we are in agreement then. I would like to see licensing kind of like 3650 and have personal devices with no access points. All consumer hardware would need to be client side gear only, like cell phones. AP's can only be installed with a license (like 3650, anyone who pays can get

Re: [WISPA] Wireless industry slams NAB's white space'misinformation'

2008-01-18 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
I haven't been able to nail down actual numbers so I'm working via experience and intuition at this point. Having given the standard disclaimers. I have a tower site that looks out over something like 1000 homes. Give or take a few. This AP has a 45* sector on it. The closest houses

Re: [WISPA] One Ring Networks To Rollout New Wimax Service

2008-01-18 Thread Tom DeReggi
what it looks like many are going to do in order to get a greater number of subs per tower, at $10k+ per radio they will have to Nope. The manufacturers will have to lower their price per AP. 2.4Ghz can go way up to 50 Watts EIRP, where the clients under 3.65Ghz are limited to 1 Watt max. That

Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: Re: Wireless industry slams NAB's white space'misinformation']

2008-01-18 Thread Mac Dearman
I have mixed thoughts about backing any stand that is for allowing portable devices in this spectrum. I deal (daily) in a trash hole of spectrum because of these very same portable devices. What do you Wireless Internet Service Providers want anyway? Do you want spectrum that is fit to be used to

Re: [WISPA] One Ring Networks To Rollout New Wimax Service

2008-01-18 Thread Leon D. Zetekoff
* Tom DeReggi wrote, On 1/18/2008 1:10 PM: what it looks like many are going to do in order to get a greater number of subs per tower, at $10k+ per radio they will have to Nope. The manufacturers will have to lower their price per AP. 2.4Ghz can go way up to 50 Watts EIRP, where the

Re: [WISPA] Wireless industry slams NAB's white space 'misinformation'

2008-01-18 Thread Ron Wallace
Hey Marlon, I support you in this belief, Take that as a firm stance. Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Marlon K. Schafer [mailto:[EMAIL

[WISPA] [Fwd: Re: Wireless industry slams NAB's white space 'misinformation']

2008-01-18 Thread Sascha Meinrath
Hi everyone, Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 22:26:54 -0800 From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wireless industry slams NAB's white space 'misinformation' To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've sent a note to WIA and asked if they'd be

Re: [WISPA] One Ring Networks To Rollout New Wimax Service

2008-01-18 Thread tonylist
Tom You are calling the Wimax base station an AP, this is not the case they are true base stations with a large amount of RD behind them plus most are licensing code which adds a great deal of cost. I do not think you are going to see Wimax base stations anywhere near what WISP are used to doing,

Re: [WISPA] SLA\ToS\Contract

2008-01-18 Thread Tom DeReggi
What we have found, is that the difficulty is not finding an SLA to copy, but having a network/monitoring system that can prove the SLA. Most SLAs I have seen are written to based on what that provider can prove, based on the capabity of their network, and not necessarilly relevent to someone

Re: [WISPA] Wireless industry slams NAB's whitespace'misinformation'

2008-01-18 Thread Don Renner
Marlon, would it be possible for Broadband delivery to be what is current VHF low UHF channels 2-13 + 14-30 and Higher UHF 31-68+ for personal devices. We get better propogations and higher would have appearance of less distance (not really). Possible solution that all could work for common goal

Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: Re: Wireless industry slams NAB's white space'misinformation']

2008-01-18 Thread Tom DeReggi
Sascha's got a good point. So the question is If WISPA alienates groups lobbying for Public portable devices, Who all would still be allies with WISPA to fight for open access to it? Sascha infers, not many. What does WISPA think? As much as I respect how much WISPA has done so far to

Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: Re: Wireless industry slams NAB's white space'misinformation']

2008-01-18 Thread Jeromie Reeves
On 1/18/08, Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have mixed thoughts about backing any stand that is for allowing portable devices in this spectrum. I deal (daily) in a trash hole of spectrum because of these very same portable devices. What do you Wireless Internet Service Providers want

Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: Re: Wireless industry slams NAB's white space'misinformation']

2008-01-18 Thread Jeromie Reeves
I think the key would be that these portable devices require a AP to talk to, and that AP's be limited as licensed devices (like 3650). The protocol would need to be setup so that they do not talk unless they can hear a AP (and handshake a stable link). This is my opinion of the best middle ground