[WISPA] OT: NFL's 'radio cops' organize wireless use for Super Bowl XLII

2008-01-28 Thread Jack Unger
They do not like to be called “radio cops.” They insist on “frequency coordinators.” But on rare occasions at National Football League games, the NFL’s Game Day Frequency Coordinators have to get a bit insistent http://www.networkworld.com/news/2008/012508-nfl-radio-cops.html?page=1 -- Jac

Re: [WISPA] Private vs Public addresses for end-users

2008-01-28 Thread Tom DeReggi
Yes but there are some security concerns with DHCP when sharing wireless sectors. To prevent requires tracking MAC addressess, which is one more headache to track. Sure if you are doing true 802.11 CPE, no problem, the link uses the MAC of the CPE that you already know, but when supporting true

Re: [WISPA] Private vs Public addresses for end-users

2008-01-28 Thread Tom DeReggi
Eric, Great idea Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Eric Rogers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 8:32 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Private vs Public addresses for end-users > If

Re: [WISPA] Private vs Public addresses for end-users

2008-01-28 Thread Sam Tetherow
If you have access to the DHCP server then it should be pretty trivial to migrate. Your current lease file will show all of the IPs and their associated MAC addresses. All you need to do is build a static lease file from this information. I am finally migrating from a static IP to DHCP with sta

Re: [WISPA] Private vs Public addresses for end-users

2008-01-28 Thread ted
Jaker, route-map should work, but have you considered wccp (web cache coordination protocol)? ip wccp version _ ip wccp web-cache interface _out interface_ ip wccp web-cache redirect out ted On Mon, 28 Jan 2008, Jake VanDewater wrote: Eric, I'm interested in how you pulled off the D-NAT.

Re: [WISPA] Private vs Public addresses for end-users

2008-01-28 Thread Butch Evans
On Mon, 28 Jan 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Does it make sense to publish/open source these scripts? Not for me. I do this (consulting) for a living. It is one of the tools I have in my "toolbox" that I pull out from time to time. FWIW, I do include a script that can do this for Mikrotik o

Re: [WISPA] Private vs Public addresses for end-users

2008-01-28 Thread Jake VanDewater
Eric, I'm interested in how you pulled off the D-NAT. Did you use a pix to do this? I have been researching ways to do this with a 2800 Cisco router. From what I can find I will need to do some aliasing. Can you provide me some more insight on how you were able to accomplish? -Jaker >

Re: [WISPA] Private vs Public addresses for end-users

2008-01-28 Thread Jake VanDewater
We are looking into doing DHCP Option 82 for our NMS DHCP subnet for our CPE devices. If I am understanding this correctly, through this option I will be able to designate the IP address(es) that are going to be allocated behind that CPE device. This way I will only have to track MAC address o

[WISPA] PPPoE client - server across several subnets?

2008-01-28 Thread rabbtux rabbtux
All, I'd like to try a few PPPoE clients, and would like to have the pppoe server at my border so it will have enough CPU ummph. I don't want to load up my AP with this function. Is it possible to have a pppoe proxy on the tower, and the pppoe server at the network center. We have a several hop

Re: [WISPA] Private vs Public addresses for end-users

2008-01-28 Thread ted
Does it make sense to publish/open source these scripts? ted On Mon, 28 Jan 2008, Butch Evans wrote: > On Mon, 28 Jan 2008, Ryan Langseth wrote: > >> Yea, actually I have looked that and would love to have that. >> This is a network I inherited, it was this way when I got it. If >> it was mine

Re: [WISPA] Private vs Public addresses for end-users

2008-01-28 Thread Butch Evans
On Mon, 28 Jan 2008, Ryan Langseth wrote: >Yea, actually I have looked that and would love to have that. >This is a network I inherited, it was this way when I got it. If >it was mine from the beginning DHCP would have been used (along >with RADIUS and etc). Do you have remote access to the c

Re: [WISPA] Private vs Public addresses for end-users

2008-01-28 Thread Sam Tetherow
Not that it isn't a good idea, but I don't think there is a legal requirement to back data on DHCP leases. You do need to have a way to monitor traffic from the time they call though. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless D. Ryan Spott wrote: > Don't forget to track who has what dy

Re: [WISPA] Private vs Public addresses for end-users

2008-01-28 Thread Ryan Langseth
Yea, actually I have looked that and would love to have that. This is a network I inherited, it was this way when I got it. If it was mine from the beginning DHCP would have been used (along with RADIUS and etc). Ryan On Jan 28, 2008, at 8:15 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Ryan, > > Hav

Re: [WISPA] Private vs Public addresses for end-users

2008-01-28 Thread ted
Ryan, Have you considered using DHCP to manage manually assigned IP addresses? It offers the best of both worlds. The IPs are statically mapped to customers, yet the allocations are managed on the server side, eliminating the concern about ongoing maintenance (lost client settings). Additiona

Re: [WISPA] Private vs Public addresses for end-users

2008-01-28 Thread Chuck McCown - 2
You can always use reservations to give a user the same IP each time even though they are getting it via DHCP. If you ever have to re-number your whole network without DHCP you may become a convert. - Original Message - From: "Jonathan Schmidt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General L

Re: [WISPA] Private vs Public addresses for end-users

2008-01-28 Thread Jonathan Schmidt
Most customers will be happy with Dynamic DHCP whereby a domain name will always fine their server. If you explain that, especially if you describe the elaborate resolutions that are available to them via Dynamic DHCP including blocks and multiple servers, won't they be satisfied? . . . J o n a t

Re: [WISPA] Private vs Public addresses for end-users

2008-01-28 Thread Mike Hammett
I use PPPoE to hand out public IP addresses for Internet traffic. I then statically assign private IPs for internal management. IPs are basically free. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Ugo Bellavance" <[EMAIL P

Re: [WISPA] Private vs Public addresses for end-users

2008-01-28 Thread Butch Evans
On Mon, 28 Jan 2008, D. Ryan Spott wrote: >Don't forget to track who has what dynamic IP address, and when >they had it. While this is a good idea... >You will need this information with the law enforcement agencies >come a knocking for some kiddie porn peddler using your network. This is not

Re: [WISPA] Private vs Public addresses for end-users

2008-01-28 Thread Eric Rogers
If the default for most routers is DHCP, then give it a private block and then D-NAT all port 80 traffic to one of your servers and give them a spash-page that says..."Your router lost its' configuration. Here are instructions of how to reset it." Don't forget, the default for most routers' wirel

Re: [WISPA] Private vs Public addresses for end-users

2008-01-28 Thread Ryan Langseth
My thoughts got ahead of my fingers,, it was supposed to say bigger and more profitable. I am looking at it from my standpoint, we have 2000+ customers, 48 POPs and yes, all static IP addresses (a mix of internet routable and rfc1918). We have 2 full time installers and 2-3 CSRs on during

Re: [WISPA] Private vs Public addresses for end-users

2008-01-28 Thread D. Ryan Spott
Don't forget to track who has what dynamic IP address, and when they had it. You will need this information with the law enforcement agencies come a knocking for some kiddie porn peddler using your network. ryan On Jan 28, 2008, at 3:16 PM, Jason Hensley wrote: > Not sure where the 10+ min

Re: [WISPA] Private vs Public addresses for end-users

2008-01-28 Thread Tom DeReggi
The biggest cost in using Static IP is after support. Thinks liek Linksys routers are notorious for loosing their configurations. When teh configuration is lost, your on the phone for an hour walking your customer through how to enter the IP back in. MOst commodity routers default to DHCP, so if

Re: [WISPA] Private vs Public addresses for end-users

2008-01-28 Thread Tom DeReggi
First one must define public address. Meaning public IPs used belonging to the upstream ISP or the WISP owning their own block of public IPs. Owning your own block, you must ask... Is it worth the technical admin headache to manage them, and is the expertise there to do it. And is the benefit th

Re: [WISPA] Private vs Public addresses for end-users

2008-01-28 Thread Jason Hensley
Not sure where the 10+ minutes per install addition for a static IP comes into play. Takes 30 seconds or so to program that in. Yeah, not quite as convenient as DHCP, and you run the risk of duplicate IP's if you get sloppy, but otherwise I see a huge advantage with static. Renumbering, like y

Re: [WISPA] Private vs Public addresses for end-users

2008-01-28 Thread Ryan Langseth
There are things like looking at the customer base. 1) are they likely to need incoming connections ( This is mainly for businesses ) 2) are they likely to get a worm and have it start spamming ( I hate trying to track down a spammy machine behind NAT ... its not hard just annoying) 3) are

Re: [WISPA] Private vs Public addresses for end-users

2008-01-28 Thread Jason Hensley
Honestly I don't do DHCP at all. Keeps things honest from my perspective and makes it easier to see who's causing issues - at least from my standpoint. Clients primarily need a Public IP for VPNs. A couple of clients run their own mail server and I've got one that runs their own web server, but

Re: [WISPA] Private vs Public addresses for end-users

2008-01-28 Thread Ugo Bellavance
Jason Hensley wrote: > Even if you buy your own from ARIN, if you're that big, then the costs are > nothing - I agree. > > I personally do private addressing on all my broadband clients. That allows > me to NAT how I see fit. I someone needs a public IP I do a static 1-1 NAT > for them. So fa

Re: [WISPA] Private vs Public addresses for end-users

2008-01-28 Thread Ugo Bellavance
Tom DeReggi wrote: > whether to give private or public address has nothing to do with cost. > Oh, what are the thing to consider exactly? Regards, Ugo Bellavance WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.

Re: [WISPA] Linux mail solution

2008-01-28 Thread Ugo Bellavance
Mike Hammett wrote: > I currently just use a domain on my InterWorx hosting controller for all of > my email. I'm looking to hire Jeremy Davis to setup Freeside for me and I'd > like to setup a new mail system integrated with Freeside. He'd integrate > Freeside into it and I'm awaiting server

Re: [WISPA] Private vs Public addresses for end-users

2008-01-28 Thread Jason Hensley
Even if you buy your own from ARIN, if you're that big, then the costs are nothing - I agree. I personally do private addressing on all my broadband clients. That allows me to NAT how I see fit. I someone needs a public IP I do a static 1-1 NAT for them. So far I've had no issues. -O

[WISPA] Save us all

2008-01-28 Thread Travis Johnson
Hi, I just got a postcard today from www.rescueisp.com. After looking at the website, I did a whois on the domain and found Mark Hopperton as the owner. And then I found his other website, www.xsfunds.com. I'm starting to wonder if these guys have it figured out... get all your money up front

Re: [WISPA] Private vs Public addresses for end-users

2008-01-28 Thread Tom DeReggi
whether to give private or public address has nothing to do with cost. The cost per IP, is next to nothing, for an upstream with large block.. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Ugo Bellavance" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: S

[WISPA] Private vs Public addresses for end-users

2008-01-28 Thread Ugo Bellavance
Hi, I was wondering what were the considerations of giving out private addressing to end users. Are public addresses worth the costs? The project is to provide internet access to a maximum of 300 clients in 5 or 6 nearby buildings using SkyPilot equipment. Regards, UGo ---

[WISPA] Authentication

2008-01-28 Thread Ugo Bellavance
Hi, I was wondering about authentication. The equipment is from SkyPilot and we were wondering what to use for authentication. The end-user will be using a standard WiFi card (integrated, or USB) to access the wireless network. We want the setup to be one-time (not a username/passwo

Re: [WISPA] Squidcast

2008-01-28 Thread CHUCK PROFITO
In the 4th paragraph, it sounds like a nice way to say P2P. It didn't say a word about compression, it just disguised the application. Also, they said something about 'secure platform' does that really mean 'encrypted' to get by the filters and packet sniffers... Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-AC

[WISPA] Squidcast

2008-01-28 Thread George Rogato
http://www.sys-con.com/read/491387.htm -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --