[WISPA] Suggestions for Executive Director
The WISPA Board has discussed the possibility of hiring an Executive Director to handle the day to day operations more efficiently than the 7 member volunteer board can do. One of our largest challenges is financing this position. We are looking or ideas to help fund this position and come up with a job description for the position. Please take a few minutes and jot down a few ideas below. I believe this is the next logical step in establishing WISPA as a important trade association. We have come a long way in the last 4 years and now we need to take it to the next level. This will become a major thrust over the next few months. I think I have some potential Vendor Members willing to contribute, we need to develop this plan and market to the Vendors specifically what their generous contributions will go towards. Your help is needed. Funding Ideas: 1. Work with Vendor Members to ask for contributions such as higher level membership in the $5K to $25K range. 2. Work with larger WISPs willing to pay more than the normal $250 membership fee to help with funding. 3. Partner with other Trade Associations that have common interests and see the value of an alliance with WISPA and Executive Management 4. Apply for Grants that would fund a position like this. Job Description: 1. Handle phone calls and membership bookkeeping 2. Market WISPA to existing WISPs and Vendors 3. Develop partnerships with other trade associations 4. Attend Board meetings 5. Keep Board minutes 6. Communicate to the membership via email newsletters 7. Develop printed marketing material 8. Help facilitate Board Elections and nominations 9. Help organize trade shows/conferences Respectfully, Rick Harnish 260-307-4000 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.21/1457 - Release Date: 5/20/2008 4:45 PM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for Executive Director
We don't need an executive director until we decide to put on our own show We need a part time secretary. $10 to $15 per hour, 20 hours per week, work from home. Jsut someone to keep track of projects, type letters etc. I still think dues should be based on customer base. If you have 100 subs you'll pay $100 per year. $400 subs, 400. 10,000 subs.. I was over ruled on this when we first did the bylaws though. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Rick Harnish [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 6:57 AM Subject: [WISPA] Suggestions for Executive Director The WISPA Board has discussed the possibility of hiring an Executive Director to handle the day to day operations more efficiently than the 7 member volunteer board can do. One of our largest challenges is financing this position. We are looking or ideas to help fund this position and come up with a job description for the position. Please take a few minutes and jot down a few ideas below. I believe this is the next logical step in establishing WISPA as a important trade association. We have come a long way in the last 4 years and now we need to take it to the next level. This will become a major thrust over the next few months. I think I have some potential Vendor Members willing to contribute, we need to develop this plan and market to the Vendors specifically what their generous contributions will go towards. Your help is needed. Funding Ideas: 1. Work with Vendor Members to ask for contributions such as higher level membership in the $5K to $25K range. 2. Work with larger WISPs willing to pay more than the normal $250 membership fee to help with funding. 3. Partner with other Trade Associations that have common interests and see the value of an alliance with WISPA and Executive Management 4. Apply for Grants that would fund a position like this. Job Description: 1. Handle phone calls and membership bookkeeping 2. Market WISPA to existing WISPs and Vendors 3. Develop partnerships with other trade associations 4. Attend Board meetings 5. Keep Board minutes 6. Communicate to the membership via email newsletters 7. Develop printed marketing material 8. Help facilitate Board Elections and nominations 9. Help organize trade shows/conferences Respectfully, Rick Harnish 260-307-4000 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.21/1457 - Release Date: 5/20/2008 4:45 PM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Suggestions for Executive Director
I disagree. I think that we could use at least a part time Executive Director. They could work on Marketing materials, Prospecting for new members, PR, alot of what the committees do. They would facilitate the committees. This is not what a secretary would do and an administrative person would need someone to supervise them. An ED is used to being the only one or the lead person in the office. They could still work at home. Marlon K. Schafer wrote: We don't need an executive director until we decide to put on our own show We need a part time secretary. $10 to $15 per hour, 20 hours per week, work from home. Jsut someone to keep track of projects, type letters etc. I still think dues should be based on customer base. If you have 100 subs you'll pay $100 per year. $400 subs, 400. 10,000 subs.. I was over ruled on this when we first did the bylaws though. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Rick Harnish [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 6:57 AM Subject: [WISPA] Suggestions for Executive Director The WISPA Board has discussed the possibility of hiring an Executive Director to handle the day to day operations more efficiently than the 7 member volunteer board can do. One of our largest challenges is financing this position. We are looking or ideas to help fund this position and come up with a job description for the position. Please take a few minutes and jot down a few ideas below. I believe this is the next logical step in establishing WISPA as a important trade association. We have come a long way in the last 4 years and now we need to take it to the next level. This will become a major thrust over the next few months. I think I have some potential Vendor Members willing to contribute, we need to develop this plan and market to the Vendors specifically what their generous contributions will go towards. Your help is needed. Funding Ideas: 1. Work with Vendor Members to ask for contributions such as higher level membership in the $5K to $25K range. 2. Work with larger WISPs willing to pay more than the normal $250 membership fee to help with funding. 3. Partner with other Trade Associations that have common interests and see the value of an alliance with WISPA and Executive Management 4. Apply for Grants that would fund a position like this. Job Description: 1. Handle phone calls and membership bookkeeping 2. Market WISPA to existing WISPs and Vendors 3. Develop partnerships with other trade associations 4. Attend Board meetings 5. Keep Board minutes 6. Communicate to the membership via email newsletters 7. Develop printed marketing material 8. Help facilitate Board Elections and nominations 9. Help organize trade shows/conferences Respectfully, Rick Harnish 260-307-4000 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.21/1457 - Release Date: 5/20/2008 4:45 PM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ___ WISPA Membership Mailing List --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for Executive Director
Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I still think dues should be based on customer base. If you have 100 subs you'll pay $100 per year. $400 subs, 400. 10,000 subs.. I was over ruled on this when we first did the bylaws though. But then you'd have to randomly audit members to ensure they were accurately reporting this information. Given that some WISPs don't even want to provide this information to the government when mandated by law, getting them to provide accurate information voluntarily, especially when they have an explicit financial interest in under-reporting their membership... You'd have a bit more money, but you'd turn around and spend it all on compliance or some such nonsense. Anyway. I think one of the most important details in such a position would be making sure that this person is held accountable to the board, and doesn't start lobbying for stuff without the board's approval. The last thing WISPA needs is someone in a flashy suit going into business for himself. (See also sleeper agent.) I don't like the job title - he'll be taking direction from the board and the membership, not giving direction himself - but that's a quibble, and even if it's misleading the name sounds weighty and impressive. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for Executive Director
Davis, you'll pay $100 per year. $400 subs, 400. But then you'd have to randomly audit members to ensure they were accurately reporting this information. Given that some WISPs don't even want to provide this information to the government when mandated by law, Not at all the case. There is plenty of motive to do it, by the honor system. If someone lied, so what, let them. I look at WISPA (non-profit) as a charity, not as a commerical organization. A WISP with more users, has more interests to protect, and could easilly justify additional charitable contribution. There are many larger WISPs, suggesting they should and are willing to pay more. They want WISPA to do more for them, and they know their money will help. They just don't want to unfairly solely fund the organization, and have their competition of similar size take advantage of their contribution, without contributing equivellently themselves. They don't expect small WISPs, to be able to contribute equally. One way to incourage honesty on member size, is to simply advertise member's status. For example, in the WISP MEMBER LIST, at request, List the WISPs' number of subscribers. It will allow the larger WISPs to advertise that they are in fact a larger WISP, whether its for ego, or attracting investment, or promoting their success. The fact is Small WISPs can't afford high increase in membership. Increasing membership for them, would reduce the number of WISP members. And for WISPA to maintain credabilty, they must attract more, if not all, small WISPs. There are only four ways to fund the growth of WISPA. 1) For a Fee, Fund Raising efforts. Meaning Selling the work WISPA completes. 2) Charge members more, that can afford to be charged more. 3) Charge vendor's more. 4) Grants. Answers... 4) Grants, is a no brainer best option if possible. But it takes a lots of time, and its not likely someone will spend that time, without getting something significant out of it. For example, if someone took the time to write a grant to for $100K, and actually got it, wouldn't it be more beneficial for them to put the money in their pocket, by starting their own Non-Profit?. 3) Vendor's would likely pony up, but again, then we migrate to a heavilly Vendor influenced organization. 1) A possibilty. Selling Cale implementation guide is an example that WISPA is trying. But, I think WISPA loses value, when we enable non-members to benefit from WISPA's efforts. Who else would need WISPA efforts other than a WISP? Shouldn't we be doing everything possible to have these buyers as members instead? 2) The only thing left is charge some members more based on size. To me, it appears to be the best option. The least negatives. It does not need to be mandatory for the WISP to disclose their number of members. We can have ranges (1-100, 101-400, 401-1000, 1000-1, 10,001- greater.) selected on the honor system, and then let group peer pressure control one;s contribution. Personally, if I had 2000 users I'd want it known. As far as comparing it to Form 477 Thats a different issues. Most WISPs don't want to report, because of either the hassle in timely detailed reporting, or afraid to advertise how small they are. There is little risk in reporting a subscriber count, as for taxation, the governement only cares about revenue. A subscriber could means $30 or $3000/month. An alternate option would be to charge membership by stated revenue. Again, could be done on an honor system. Could be enforced by listing the members by member level. The only other option I can think of, is special project funding. Have someone willing to pony up cash to have us work on a specific issue. But then again, we'd be following the direction of sponsors, not the majority membership. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 10:34 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for Executive Director Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I still think dues should be based on customer base. If you have 100 subs 10,000 subs.. I was over ruled on this when we first did the bylaws though. But then you'd have to randomly audit members to ensure they were accurately reporting this information. Given that some WISPs don't even want to provide this information to the government when mandated by law, getting them to provide accurate information voluntarily, especially when they have an explicit financial interest in under-reporting their membership... You'd have a bit more money, but you'd turn around and spend it all on compliance or some such nonsense. Anyway. I think one of the most important details in such a position would be making sure that this person is held accountable to the board, and doesn't start lobbying for stuff without the board's approval. The
Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for Executive Director
Rick, Your bullet questions, gets us off to a great start on this conversation. Ok, based on your job description of Executive Director, what is left as a job description for officers of the board, other than voting to authoirize change? This stage of growth is a scary one, because if the wrong choices are made, it can change the principle foundation of WISPA. The question is, what are we really looking for in an executive director most? A) an office assistant? B) a marketing company? C) General association management D) someone capable to represent the issues of WISPs? These are three very different skill sets. As well, long term, I'm concerned that Vendor contribution could surpass Wisp contribution, if we build a business model that requires the vendor's money to support WISPA's operating costs. Its how organizations get taken over by vendor interests. Not that I do not appreciate vendor sponsorship. (Ps. Thanks for your help Vendors! All your generous contributions is what is currently allowing us to grow the organization). I'd argue, that a director should be well versed in the needs of WISPs. And the best option may be to look for a X-Wisp executive for the job. Or if part-time, an existing WISP? We are in somewhat of a Chicken or Egg situations, from teh perspective that, until we officially define the position, we can;t asses compensation fee, but without the fee defined, we may not be able to explore all our options for candidates. I think, after getting some feedback from members, the board needs to decide what WISPA can currently afford and/or justify paying. At this stage, are we looking for Part-time or Full time? Existing board member's how much time is currently being put in? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Rick Harnish [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 8:57 AM Subject: [WISPA] Suggestions for Executive Director The WISPA Board has discussed the possibility of hiring an Executive Director to handle the day to day operations more efficiently than the 7 member volunteer board can do. One of our largest challenges is financing this position. We are looking or ideas to help fund this position and come up with a job description for the position. Please take a few minutes and jot down a few ideas below. I believe this is the next logical step in establishing WISPA as a important trade association. We have come a long way in the last 4 years and now we need to take it to the next level. This will become a major thrust over the next few months. I think I have some potential Vendor Members willing to contribute, we need to develop this plan and market to the Vendors specifically what their generous contributions will go towards. Your help is needed. Funding Ideas: 1. Work with Vendor Members to ask for contributions such as higher level membership in the $5K to $25K range. 2. Work with larger WISPs willing to pay more than the normal $250 membership fee to help with funding. 3. Partner with other Trade Associations that have common interests and see the value of an alliance with WISPA and Executive Management 4. Apply for Grants that would fund a position like this. Job Description: 1. Handle phone calls and membership bookkeeping 2. Market WISPA to existing WISPs and Vendors 3. Develop partnerships with other trade associations 4. Attend Board meetings 5. Keep Board minutes 6. Communicate to the membership via email newsletters 7. Develop printed marketing material 8. Help facilitate Board Elections and nominations 9. Help organize trade shows/conferences Respectfully, Rick Harnish 260-307-4000 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.21/1457 - Release Date: 5/20/2008 4:45 PM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.21/1456 - Release Date: 5/20/2008 6:45 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for Executive Director
Tom DeReggi wrote: Davis, you'll pay $100 per year. $400 subs, 400. Let me throw in a devils advocate question here. If I have 400 customers and pay $400, do I get as many votes as an ISP with 10,000 customers who pays $10,000? If you look at this in the purely corporate sense, WISPA would be selling shares and each share gets a vote. Randy WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for Executive Director
On Wed, 21 May 2008, Randy Cosby wrote: Let me throw in a devils advocate question here. If I have 400 customers and pay $400, do I get as many votes as an ISP with 10,000 customers who pays $10,000? If you look at this in the purely corporate sense, WISPA would be selling shares and each share gets a vote. I'd think that a WISP is a WISP and only gets a single vote. Not selling shares at all. Either way, I don't understand why input on this topic is on the non-members list at all. -- *Butch Evans*Professional Network Consultation * *Network Engineering*MikroTik RouterOS * *573-276-2879 *ImageStream * *http://www.butchevans.com/ *StarOS and MORE * *Mikrotik Certified Consultant *Wired or Wireless Networks* WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for Executive Director
I agree with Butch. $250 per year is a drop in the bucket to all of us, no matter how big or small, ESPECIALLY when compared to the value you receive from free advice and support ...and I can't tell you how annoying the tell me why I should join WISPA rants are... (ryan, I'm not talking about your request this morning)... Non members should not be adding to my inbox on this topic. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: Butch Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 10:56 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for Executive Director On Wed, 21 May 2008, Randy Cosby wrote: Let me throw in a devils advocate question here. If I have 400 customers and pay $400, do I get as many votes as an ISP with 10,000 customers who pays $10,000? If you look at this in the purely corporate sense, WISPA would be selling shares and each share gets a vote. I'd think that a WISP is a WISP and only gets a single vote. Not selling shares at all. Either way, I don't understand why input on this topic is on the non-members list at all. -- *Butch Evans *Professional Network Consultation * *Network Engineering *MikroTik RouterOS* *573-276-2879 *ImageStream * *http://www.butchevans.com/ *StarOS and MORE * *Mikrotik Certified Consultant *Wired or Wireless Networks* -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for Executive Director
Just for the record, I'm a paying member. Mark Nash wrote: I agree with Butch. $250 per year is a drop in the bucket to all of us, no matter how big or small, ESPECIALLY when compared to the value you receive from free advice and support ...and I can't tell you how annoying the "tell me why I should join WISPA" rants are... (ryan, I'm not talking about your request this morning)... Non members should not be adding to my inbox on this topic. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: "Butch Evans" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 10:56 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for Executive Director On Wed, 21 May 2008, Randy Cosby wrote: Let me throw in a "devils advocate" question here. If I have 400 customers and pay $400, do I get as many "votes" as an ISP with 10,000 customers who pays $10,000? If you look at this in the purely corporate sense, WISPA would be selling "shares" and each share gets a vote. I'd think that a WISP is a WISP and only gets a single vote. Not "selling shares" at all. Either way, I don't understand why input on this topic is on the non-members list at all. -- *Butch Evans *Professional Network Consultation * *Network Engineering *MikroTik RouterOS* *573-276-2879 *ImageStream * *http://www.butchevans.com/ *StarOS and MORE * *Mikrotik Certified Consultant *Wired or Wireless Networks* -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc office: 435-773-6071 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for Executive Director
I agree with Butch. I'd suggest that this conversation be moved to the Members list. Butch Evans wrote: On Wed, 21 May 2008, Randy Cosby wrote: Let me throw in a devils advocate question here. If I have 400 customers and pay $400, do I get as many votes as an ISP with 10,000 customers who pays $10,000? If you look at this in the purely corporate sense, WISPA would be selling shares and each share gets a vote. I'd think that a WISP is a WISP and only gets a single vote. Not selling shares at all. Either way, I don't understand why input on this topic is on the non-members list at all. -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Cisco Press Author - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs Vendor-Neutral Wireless Design-Training-Troubleshooting-Consulting FCC License # PG-12-25133 Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/jackunger Phone 818-227-4220 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Suggestions for Executive Director
Ok, hypothetically speaking... Part Time Salaried Executive Director- Must be a WISP, Must live on or near Capitol Hill, Must have marketing background Who first pops into your mind? Martha? Martha, Got any free time for an additional part-time job? :-) I agree with Marlon, that an office assistant type position, could be an effective way to help the board, in a cost effective manner, if we can't find an affordable skilled Executive Director. But I agree with MArtha that, an Executive Director's job is to do so much more than an Office Assistant would be capable of. Personally, I'd hate to see this job outsourced to a third party group that specialized in non-profit management, but that was not previously passionate about the WISP industry, because they were never previously involved in it. We need someone, that has been there. Thats one of the reason, I really liked Frank Muto's suggestion a year or two ago, when he suggested Cynthia as a candidate, based on her combined in the trench Local ISP ownership and lobbying experience. My opinion is to identify possible candidates (individuals, not management companies) for the job, and then talk with these people, whom ever they are, to see what it would take to get their interest for the job. Its not like there are thousand of possible candidates to choose from. Finding the right person, is just as hard as figuring out how to fund it. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Martha Huizenga [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 10:14 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Suggestions for Executive Director I disagree. I think that we could use at least a part time Executive Director. They could work on Marketing materials, Prospecting for new members, PR, alot of what the committees do. They would facilitate the committees. This is not what a secretary would do and an administrative person would need someone to supervise them. An ED is used to being the only one or the lead person in the office. They could still work at home. Marlon K. Schafer wrote: We don't need an executive director until we decide to put on our own show We need a part time secretary. $10 to $15 per hour, 20 hours per week, work from home. Jsut someone to keep track of projects, type letters etc. I still think dues should be based on customer base. If you have 100 subs you'll pay $100 per year. $400 subs, 400. 10,000 subs.. I was over ruled on this when we first did the bylaws though. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Rick Harnish [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 6:57 AM Subject: [WISPA] Suggestions for Executive Director The WISPA Board has discussed the possibility of hiring an Executive Director to handle the day to day operations more efficiently than the 7 member volunteer board can do. One of our largest challenges is financing this position. We are looking or ideas to help fund this position and come up with a job description for the position. Please take a few minutes and jot down a few ideas below. I believe this is the next logical step in establishing WISPA as a important trade association. We have come a long way in the last 4 years and now we need to take it to the next level. This will become a major thrust over the next few months. I think I have some potential Vendor Members willing to contribute, we need to develop this plan and market to the Vendors specifically what their generous contributions will go towards. Your help is needed. Funding Ideas: 1. Work with Vendor Members to ask for contributions such as higher level membership in the $5K to $25K range. 2. Work with larger WISPs willing to pay more than the normal $250 membership fee to help with funding. 3. Partner with other Trade Associations that have common interests and see the value of an alliance with WISPA and Executive Management 4. Apply for Grants that would fund a position like this. Job Description: 1. Handle phone calls and membership bookkeeping 2. Market WISPA to existing WISPs and Vendors 3. Develop partnerships with other trade associations 4. Attend Board meetings 5. Keep Board minutes 6. Communicate to the membership via email newsletters 7. Develop printed marketing material 8. Help facilitate Board Elections and nominations 9. Help organize trade shows/conferences Respectfully, Rick Harnish 260-307-4000 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.21/1457 - Release Date: 5/20/2008 4:45 PM
Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for Executive Director
In the WISPA Bylaws found at http://www.wispa.org/?page_id=4 in Section 7. We are confined by the following doctrine as written by the founding board. There was an extensive amount of conversation at that time about insuring that no one company would have a controlling vote or influence over the rest of the members, thus it was decided that: D. Each qualified member or member company shall appoint one representative to cast one vote on each matter submitted by the board of directors. Employees of a member company, who have associate membership status, will not be allowed to cast a vote in a general ballot. 7.4 Other Persons Associated with the Corporation. The corporation may refer to other persons or entities associated with it including observers as “members” even though such persons or entities are not voting members, and no such reference shall constitute anyone a member unless that person or entity shall have qualified for such a voting membership. 7.5 Dues, Fees, and Assessments. Each member must pay, within the time and on the conditions set by the board, the dues, fees, and assessments in amounts to be fixed from time to time by the board. The dues, fees, and assessments shall be equal for all members of each class, but the board may, in its discretion, set different dues, fees, and assessments for each class. Unless the board makes an express determination to the contrary, all dues, fees, and assessments are nonrefundable. No dues, fees, or assessments will be refunded to a member in the event that a member’s membership in the corporation is suspended or terminated. 7.6 Good Standing. Those members who have paid the required dues, fees, and assessments in accordance with these bylaws and who are not suspended shall be members in good standing. Respectfully, Rick Harnish -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 1:57 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for Executive Director On Wed, 21 May 2008, Randy Cosby wrote: Let me throw in a devils advocate question here. If I have 400 customers and pay $400, do I get as many votes as an ISP with 10,000 customers who pays $10,000? If you look at this in the purely corporate sense, WISPA would be selling shares and each share gets a vote. I'd think that a WISP is a WISP and only gets a single vote. Not selling shares at all. Either way, I don't understand why input on this topic is on the non-members list at all. -- *Butch Evans*Professional Network Consultation * *Network Engineering*MikroTik RouterOS * *573-276-2879 *ImageStream * *http://www.butchevans.com/ *StarOS and MORE * *Mikrotik Certified Consultant *Wired or Wireless Networks* WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.21/1457 - Release Date: 5/20/2008 4:45 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.21/1457 - Release Date: 5/20/2008 4:45 PM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] (Thread Closed on this List) Suggestions for Executive Director
OK, I opened this thread on this list this morning and now I am closing it as there is a general consensus that it should be carried on only on the Members list. If you wish to contribute to the conversation further, confine your comments to the HYPERLINK mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] list. Please ignore the last post I just made. J Rick Harnish From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 2:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for Executive Director Just for the record, I'm a paying member. Mark Nash wrote: I agree with Butch. $250 per year is a drop in the bucket to all of us, no matter how big or small, ESPECIALLY when compared to the value you receive from free advice and support ...and I can't tell you how annoying the tell me why I should join WISPA rants are... (ryan, I'm not talking about your request this morning)... Non members should not be adding to my inbox on this topic. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax HYPERLINK http://www.unwiredwest.comhttp://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: Butch Evans HYPERLINK mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List HYPERLINK mailto:wireless@wispa.org;wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 10:56 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for Executive Director On Wed, 21 May 2008, Randy Cosby wrote: Let me throw in a devils advocate question here. If I have 400 customers and pay $400, do I get as many votes as an ISP with 10,000 customers who pays $10,000? If you look at this in the purely corporate sense, WISPA would be selling shares and each share gets a vote. I'd think that a WISP is a WISP and only gets a single vote. Not selling shares at all. Either way, I don't understand why input on this topic is on the non-members list at all. -- *Butch Evans *Professional Network Consultation * *Network Engineering *MikroTik RouterOS* *573-276-2879 *ImageStream * *HYPERLINK http://www.butchevans.com/http://www.butchevans.com/ *StarOS and MORE * *Mikrotik Certified Consultant *Wired or Wireless Networks* -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! HYPERLINK http://signup.wispa.org/http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: HYPERLINK mailto:wireless@wispa.orgwireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: HYPERLINK http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelesshttp://lists.wispa.org/mai lman/listinfo/wireless Archives: HYPERLINK http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail /wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! HYPERLINK http://signup.wispa.org/http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: HYPERLINK mailto:wireless@wispa.orgwireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: HYPERLINK http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelesshttp://lists.wispa.org/mai lman/listinfo/wireless Archives: HYPERLINK http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail /wireless/ -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc office: 435-773-6071 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.21/1457 - Release Date: 5/20/2008 4:45 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.21/1457 - Release Date: 5/20/2008 4:45 PM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Freeside Consultants
Hmm, Hey Mac. Is maximumtech.us a vendor member? If you are going to advertise your company, shouldn't you be a vendor member? Jim jeffcosoho.com linktechs.net Mac Dearman wrote: Jeremy Davis is the Freeside King IMHO [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ryan Langseth Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 9:24 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Freeside Consultants Does anyone know of third party consultants for freeside, or do that type of work? Contact me offlist, thanks. Ryan -- Ryan Langseth System Administrator InvisiMax email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: 218.745.6030 Cell: 701.739.1577 --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for Executive Director
No for two reasons 1) Currently, nothing gets voted on by the membership, except elections. Personally, I think WISPA needs to expand its resources, to bring more things to the membership to vote on. 2) No because, it would compromise the ideals of WISPA, where WISPA represents the majority of WISP providers equally, not just the large few that could hi-jack the association for their own special interests. There needs to be benefits to the larger members for paying more, other than voting power. I also do not support membership dues that are equally proportional to subscriber count. Meaning, if one pays $100 for 100 suers, that does NOT mean someone with 10,000 pays $10,000. That would be overly burdensome, and possibly reduce membership. If I had 10,000 subs and asked to pay $10,000 to be a member, I'd quit WISP and hire my own part time lobbyist. I would suggest something more reasonable like 3-4 tiered levels, where each level up pays a little bit more. For example, for someone with 500-1000users, I don't think $500 is unreasonable, or for someone with 5000 users $1000 is unreasonable. I'm not sure what that number exactly it should be. My opinion is not to unnecessarilly burden Wisps by increased dues. The goal is to better help Wisps, by generating the revenue minimally required to put the things in place that Wisps need WISPA to have in place, to better serve them. If we wanted to complicate things, it would be appropriate to talley the current subscriber count of members, to calculate how large a revenue increase would be possible, based on the profiles of our members, to determine what we'd need to charge, to cover the additional improvements for WISPA, such as Executive Director salary. Personally, I'd like WISPA to be an organization that is self sufficient and can cover its base operating costs via contributions from its WISP members. Then Vendor contributions is the gravy that allows us to fund all the extra stuff. My opinion is, it will likely be easier to get greater vendor contribution, if the WISPA members show the value of WISPA by also contributing more. My personal opinion is, membership should always stay below $250 for WISPs under a 500 user count, just because it makes it easy to join. But once a WISP gets past that, they should be able to justify the greater contribution. But again, that is an opinion, before I understand what the average subscriber count is for current members. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Randy Cosby [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 12:50 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for Executive Director Tom DeReggi wrote: Davis, you'll pay $100 per year. $400 subs, 400. Let me throw in a devils advocate question here. If I have 400 customers and pay $400, do I get as many votes as an ISP with 10,000 customers who pays $10,000? If you look at this in the purely corporate sense, WISPA would be selling shares and each share gets a vote. Randy WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.21/1458 - Release Date: 5/21/2008 7:21 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Watertower trouble
Got a situation... just received a call from the town's water dep't administrator telling me we have to be off of the tower in 3 days due to maintenance on tower. Evidently there is lead in the tower and a contractor is coming in to sandblast and repaint inside and out of the tower, as well as bring it up to safety standards. The problem is this is the only location available in this area to service approx 150 subs, and we received 3 days notice on a project they have evidently been working on for 4-5 months. Anyway has anyone had to work around similar situations and if so how long does this process normally take... they tell me it could be up to 2 months. By that time there will be no one left that will want service. Any thoughts? __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (800) 638-2614 http://www.csweb.net http://www.csweb.net/ E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for Executive Director
PS. Sorry guys, will be on member list next time. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble
Wrap your equipment in a burlap sack! Recently went through such a situation, but NOT the 3-day notice part. What does your contract state for such work? On 5/21/08 2:36 PM, Patrick Nix Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Got a situation... just received a call from the town's water dep't administrator telling me we have to be off of the tower in 3 days due to maintenance on tower. Evidently there is lead in the tower and a contractor is coming in to sandblast and repaint inside and out of the tower, as well as bring it up to safety standards. The problem is this is the only location available in this area to service approx 150 subs, and we received 3 days notice on a project they have evidently been working on for 4-5 months. Anyway has anyone had to work around similar situations and if so how long does this process normally take... they tell me it could be up to 2 months. By that time there will be no one left that will want service. Any thoughts? __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (800) 638-2614 http://www.csweb.net http://www.csweb.net/ E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Cliff LeBoeuf 985-879-3219 www.cssla.com www.triparish.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble
Sounds like you need to call the water department back and ask for the contractor's name. The contractor may think you are putting out 30 watts of power like a cell provider. If so then this it is standard practice to turn that gear off when people are working near it. Something about radiation and 3 headed children or something silly like that! :) Talk to the contractor and work around and with him/her. You should have no major issues once they realize you are only putting out .5W! You could even pay rent to the contractor for how-ever long it takes to keep your gear online. Good luck! ryan On May 21, 2008, at 12:40 PM, Cliff LeBoeuf wrote: Wrap your equipment in a burlap sack! Recently went through such a situation, but NOT the 3-day notice part. What does your contract state for such work? On 5/21/08 2:36 PM, Patrick Nix Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Got a situation... just received a call from the town's water dep't administrator telling me we have to be off of the tower in 3 days due to maintenance on tower. Evidently there is lead in the tower and a contractor is coming in to sandblast and repaint inside and out of the tower, as well as bring it up to safety standards. The problem is this is the only location available in this area to service approx 150 subs, and we received 3 days notice on a project they have evidently been working on for 4-5 months. Anyway has anyone had to work around similar situations and if so how long does this process normally take... they tell me it could be up to 2 months. By that time there will be no one left that will want service. Any thoughts? __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (800) 638-2614 http://www.csweb.net http://www.csweb.net/ E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e- mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Cliff LeBoeuf 985-879-3219 www.cssla.com www.triparish.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble
What does your contract say? Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Patrick Nix Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 2:36 PM Subject: [WISPA] Watertower trouble Got a situation... just received a call from the town's water dep't WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble
We went through a water tower rehab. It took at least a month to blast and paint inside and out. We were able to work with the contractor to shroud our gear when they were working near it. Any chances you could work with them to detach and reattach gear as they work around the tank? The contractor we worked with wasn't concerned with RF, but just wanted to make sure that they had cleaned and repainted every square inch of tower. If you can work it out to stay on there, this is a great time to do any welding you need. Good luck Chris Cooper Intelliwave WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for Executive Director
Randy, your membership should carry the vote. Just like some of us pay more taxes than others, we still only get one vote. (except in LA and FL) ;D On 5/21/08 12:50 PM, Randy Cosby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom DeReggi wrote: Davis, you'll pay $100 per year. $400 subs, 400. Let me throw in a devils advocate question here. If I have 400 customers and pay $400, do I get as many votes as an ISP with 10,000 customers who pays $10,000? If you look at this in the purely corporate sense, WISPA would be selling shares and each share gets a vote. Randy -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Cliff LeBoeuf 985-879-3219 www.cssla.com www.triparish.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Barracuda = Source of SPAM?
I currently host email for a few domains as well as my own. I use a Barracuda SPAM firewall for my own domain but not the others. Anyways I pointed an MX record for one of the domains to the Barracuda Spam Firewall. That domain was not getting any spam whatsoever because it was a newly registered domain but I wanted it to be READY just in case. Anyways as soon as I did that the company that uses the domain's email started screaming bloody murder because they said they were getting TONS of spam all the sudden. Turns out I added the MX record for the Barracuda as a LOWER priority and so it was not getting to filter every email that was coming in. So I started to wonder why the spam was even coming in at all when it HADN'T been before I added the domain to this Barracuda box. Does anyone else here besides me feel that Barracuda is intentionally causing spam to be sent out to its customers domains in order for the customers to see it in the message logs as more amounts of blocked spam that it was before the box was added Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble
Our contract states the city only has to give us 48 hours notice to be off for water tower maintenance. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Nix Jr. Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 3:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Watertower trouble Got a situation... just received a call from the town's water dep't administrator telling me we have to be off of the tower in 3 days due to maintenance on tower. Evidently there is lead in the tower and a contractor is coming in to sandblast and repaint inside and out of the tower, as well as bring it up to safety standards. The problem is this is the only location available in this area to service approx 150 subs, and we received 3 days notice on a project they have evidently been working on for 4-5 months. Anyway has anyone had to work around similar situations and if so how long does this process normally take... they tell me it could be up to 2 months. By that time there will be no one left that will want service. Any thoughts? __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (800) 638-2614 http://www.csweb.net http://www.csweb.net/ E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble
Time to revisit your contract IMO... On 5/21/08 3:09 PM, Kurt Fankhauser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Our contract states the city only has to give us 48 hours notice to be off for water tower maintenance. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Nix Jr. Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 3:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Watertower trouble Got a situation... just received a call from the town's water dep't administrator telling me we have to be off of the tower in 3 days due to maintenance on tower. Evidently there is lead in the tower and a contractor is coming in to sandblast and repaint inside and out of the tower, as well as bring it up to safety standards. The problem is this is the only location available in this area to service approx 150 subs, and we received 3 days notice on a project they have evidently been working on for 4-5 months. Anyway has anyone had to work around similar situations and if so how long does this process normally take... they tell me it could be up to 2 months. By that time there will be no one left that will want service. Any thoughts? __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (800) 638-2614 http://www.csweb.net http://www.csweb.net/ E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Cliff LeBoeuf 985-879-3219 www.cssla.com www.triparish.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Barracuda = Source of SPAM?
No that is not the case, properly configured Barracuda's work fine. Although I prefer the MailFoundry devices to Barracuda's at this time. Regards Michael Baird I currently host email for a few domains as well as my own. I use a Barracuda SPAM firewall for my own domain but not the others. Anyways I pointed an MX record for one of the domains to the Barracuda Spam Firewall. That domain was not getting any spam whatsoever because it was a newly registered domain but I wanted it to be READY just in case. Anyways as soon as I did that the company that uses the domain's email started screaming bloody murder because they said they were getting TONS of spam all the sudden. Turns out I added the MX record for the Barracuda as a LOWER priority and so it was not getting to filter every email that was coming in. So I started to wonder why the spam was even coming in at all when it HADN'T been before I added the domain to this Barracuda box. Does anyone else here besides me feel that Barracuda is intentionally causing spam to be sent out to its customers domains in order for the customers to see it in the message logs as more amounts of blocked spam that it was before the box was added Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Barracuda = Source of SPAM?
Kurt Fankhauser wrote: I currently host email for a few domains as well as my own. I use a Barracuda SPAM firewall for my own domain but not the others. Anyways I pointed an MX record for one of the domains to the Barracuda Spam Firewall. That domain was not getting any spam whatsoever because it was a newly registered domain but I wanted it to be READY just in case. Anyways as soon as I did that the company that uses the domain's email started screaming bloody murder because they said they were getting TONS of spam all the sudden. Turns out I added the MX record for the Barracuda as a LOWER priority and so it was not getting to filter every email that was coming in. When my office installed its first Barracuda (this was over four years ago), I kept fairly careful counts of the raw number of emails that came in, before and after, and didn't see any discrepancies. If it was a newly-registered domain, it may simply have taken the spammers a few days to learn about it. (Yes, some spammers have turned to things like scraping WHOIS records to learn about new names.) Also, apropos of nothing, if your network topology permits, be sure to firewall off the destination server's port 25, so that it will only accept email from the Barracuda itself (or from properly-authenticated users). Took me a while to realize that some spammers didn't even bother with MX lookups and would just try SMTP connections to random IPs and hope they'd get lucky, then fire off a dictionary attack. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble
Talk to a judge for an emergency injunction. That is interfering with interstate commerce. - Original Message - From: Patrick Nix Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 1:36 PM Subject: [WISPA] Watertower trouble Got a situation... just received a call from the town's water dep't administrator telling me we have to be off of the tower in 3 days due to maintenance on tower. Evidently there is lead in the tower and a contractor is coming in to sandblast and repaint inside and out of the tower, as well as bring it up to safety standards. The problem is this is the only location available in this area to service approx 150 subs, and we received 3 days notice on a project they have evidently been working on for 4-5 months. Anyway has anyone had to work around similar situations and if so how long does this process normally take... they tell me it could be up to 2 months. By that time there will be no one left that will want service. Any thoughts? __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (800) 638-2614 http://www.csweb.net http://www.csweb.net/ E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble
Getting legal involved would pretty much guarantee getting booted off the tower completely once your current contract is up. I would talk to them and see what can be worked out by having you work "around" their crews. Travis Microserv Chuck McCown - 2 wrote: Talk to a judge for an emergency injunction. That is interfering with interstate commerce. - Original Message - From: "Patrick Nix Jr." [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 1:36 PM Subject: [WISPA] Watertower trouble Got a situation... just received a call from the town's water dep't administrator telling me we have to be off of the tower in 3 days due to maintenance on tower. Evidently there is lead in the tower and a contractor is coming in to sandblast and repaint inside and out of the tower, as well as bring it up to safety standards. The problem is this is the only location available in this area to service approx 150 subs, and we received 3 days notice on a project they have evidently been working on for 4-5 months. Anyway has anyone had to work around similar situations and if so how long does this process normally take... they tell me it could be up to 2 months. By that time there will be no one left that will want service. Any thoughts? __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (800) 638-2614 http://www.csweb.net http://www.csweb.net/ E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble
If the choice is get the town fathers ruffled or losing your business, I know which direction I would go. An injunction only puts the project on hold to force everyone to come and talk. I have used this method before with good success. I would most certainly have a lawyer ready to contact a judge if you are not getting anywhere. What do you have to lose? - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 3:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble Getting legal involved would pretty much guarantee getting booted off the tower completely once your current contract is up. I would talk to them and see what can be worked out by having you work around their crews. Travis Microserv Chuck McCown - 2 wrote: Talk to a judge for an emergency injunction. That is interfering with interstate commerce. - Original Message - From: Patrick Nix Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 1:36 PM Subject: [WISPA] Watertower trouble Got a situation... just received a call from the town's water dep't administrator telling me we have to be off of the tower in 3 days due to maintenance on tower. Evidently there is lead in the tower and a contractor is coming in to sandblast and repaint inside and out of the tower, as well as bring it up to safety standards. The problem is this is the only location available in this area to service approx 150 subs, and we received 3 days notice on a project they have evidently been working on for 4-5 months. Anyway has anyone had to work around similar situations and if so how long does this process normally take... they tell me it could be up to 2 months. By that time there will be no one left that will want service. Any thoughts? __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (800) 638-2614 http://www.csweb.net http://www.csweb.net/ E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble
An injunction has to have some kind of legal grounds, and he signed a contract that clearly states 48 hours notice. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 4:14 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble If the choice is get the town fathers ruffled or losing your business, I know which direction I would go. An injunction only puts the project on hold to force everyone to come and talk. I have used this method before with good success. I would most certainly have a lawyer ready to contact a judge if you are not getting anywhere. What do you have to lose? - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 3:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble Getting legal involved would pretty much guarantee getting booted off the tower completely once your current contract is up. I would talk to them and see what can be worked out by having you work around their crews. Travis Microserv Chuck McCown - 2 wrote: Talk to a judge for an emergency injunction. That is interfering with interstate commerce. - Original Message - From: Patrick Nix Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 1:36 PM Subject: [WISPA] Watertower trouble Got a situation... just received a call from the town's water dep't administrator telling me we have to be off of the tower in 3 days due to maintenance on tower. Evidently there is lead in the tower and a contractor is coming in to sandblast and repaint inside and out of the tower, as well as bring it up to safety standards. The problem is this is the only location available in this area to service approx 150 subs, and we received 3 days notice on a project they have evidently been working on for 4-5 months. Anyway has anyone had to work around similar situations and if so how long does this process normally take... they tell me it could be up to 2 months. By that time there will be no one left that will want service. Any thoughts? __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (800) 638-2614 http://www.csweb.net http://www.csweb.net/ E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble
The contract they have says the city only has to give them 48 hours... they actually gave 72 hours. A judge is not going to grant an injunction when they followed the contract that both parties agreed upon. Travis Microserv Chuck McCown - 2 wrote: If the choice is get the town fathers ruffled or losing your business, I know which direction I would go. An injunction only puts the project on hold to force everyone to come and talk. I have used this method before with good success. I would most certainly have a lawyer ready to contact a judge if you are not getting anywhere. What do you have to lose? - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 3:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble Getting legal involved would pretty much guarantee getting booted off the tower completely once your current contract is up. I would talk to them and see what can be worked out by having you work around their crews. Travis Microserv Chuck McCown - 2 wrote: Talk to a judge for an emergency injunction. That is interfering with interstate commerce. - Original Message - From: Patrick Nix Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 1:36 PM Subject: [WISPA] Watertower trouble Got a situation... just received a call from the town's water dep't administrator telling me we have to be off of the tower in 3 days due to maintenance on tower. Evidently there is lead in the tower and a contractor is coming in to sandblast and repaint inside and out of the tower, as well as bring it up to safety standards. The problem is this is the only location available in this area to service approx 150 subs, and we received 3 days notice on a project they have evidently been working on for 4-5 months. Anyway has anyone had to work around similar situations and if so how long does this process normally take... they tell me it could be up to 2 months. By that time there will be no one left that will want service. Any thoughts? __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (800) 638-2614 http://www.csweb.net http://www.csweb.net/ E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble
That was Kurt, not Patrick, was it not. Are talking the same company here? - Original Message - From: Blake Bowers [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 3:18 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble An injunction has to have some kind of legal grounds, and he signed a contract that clearly states 48 hours notice. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 4:14 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble If the choice is get the town fathers ruffled or losing your business, I know which direction I would go. An injunction only puts the project on hold to force everyone to come and talk. I have used this method before with good success. I would most certainly have a lawyer ready to contact a judge if you are not getting anywhere. What do you have to lose? - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 3:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble Getting legal involved would pretty much guarantee getting booted off the tower completely once your current contract is up. I would talk to them and see what can be worked out by having you work around their crews. Travis Microserv Chuck McCown - 2 wrote: Talk to a judge for an emergency injunction. That is interfering with interstate commerce. - Original Message - From: Patrick Nix Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 1:36 PM Subject: [WISPA] Watertower trouble Got a situation... just received a call from the town's water dep't administrator telling me we have to be off of the tower in 3 days due to maintenance on tower. Evidently there is lead in the tower and a contractor is coming in to sandblast and repaint inside and out of the tower, as well as bring it up to safety standards. The problem is this is the only location available in this area to service approx 150 subs, and we received 3 days notice on a project they have evidently been working on for 4-5 months. Anyway has anyone had to work around similar situations and if so how long does this process normally take... they tell me it could be up to 2 months. By that time there will be no one left that will want service. Any thoughts? __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (800) 638-2614 http://www.csweb.net http://www.csweb.net/ E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:
Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble
We have gone through similar, but received adequate warning and the town worked very well with us to make sure we could get equipment protected. If they are not willing to work with you maybe contact your subs and get them to call the town letting them know they cannot live without service for a month (or more realistically two). Maybe if they feel the numbers it will help them to work with you. I have used a similar strategy for getting towers approved for locations I have met resistance. Brought along a number of residential/business who are all voting members (that is key) to the meetings stating they wanted our service and that the tower was needed for them to get cost effective access. Good luck and hopefully you can get them to work with you. Larry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 4:19 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble The contract they have says the city only has to give them 48 hours... they actually gave 72 hours. A judge is not going to grant an injunction when they followed the contract that both parties agreed upon. Travis Microserv Chuck McCown - 2 wrote: If the choice is get the town fathers ruffled or losing your business, I know which direction I would go. An injunction only puts the project on hold to force everyone to come and talk. I have used this method before with good success. I would most certainly have a lawyer ready to contact a judge if you are not getting anywhere. What do you have to lose? - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 3:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble Getting legal involved would pretty much guarantee getting booted off the tower completely once your current contract is up. I would talk to them and see what can be worked out by having you work around their crews. Travis Microserv Chuck McCown - 2 wrote: Talk to a judge for an emergency injunction. That is interfering with interstate commerce. - Original Message - From: Patrick Nix Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 1:36 PM Subject: [WISPA] Watertower trouble Got a situation... just received a call from the town's water dep't administrator telling me we have to be off of the tower in 3 days due to maintenance on tower. Evidently there is lead in the tower and a contractor is coming in to sandblast and repaint inside and out of the tower, as well as bring it up to safety standards. The problem is this is the only location available in this area to service approx 150 subs, and we received 3 days notice on a project they have evidently been working on for 4-5 months. Anyway has anyone had to work around similar situations and if so how long does this process normally take... they tell me it could be up to 2 months. By that time there will be no one left that will want service. Any thoughts? __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (800) 638-2614 http://www.csweb.net http://www.csweb.net/ E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble
During the injunction process (in the middle of the night with a very cranky judge in his PJs.) the terms of the contract (that may or may not exist) are never discussed. Only the potential for harm or damages to life or property. If the judge believes that damage or harm may happen, they quite often will grant the injunction. You would be surprised at how quick it gets people to the bargaining table the next morning. - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 3:19 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble The contract they have says the city only has to give them 48 hours... they actually gave 72 hours. A judge is not going to grant an injunction when they followed the contract that both parties agreed upon. Travis Microserv Chuck McCown - 2 wrote: If the choice is get the town fathers ruffled or losing your business, I know which direction I would go. An injunction only puts the project on hold to force everyone to come and talk. I have used this method before with good success. I would most certainly have a lawyer ready to contact a judge if you are not getting anywhere. What do you have to lose? - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 3:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble Getting legal involved would pretty much guarantee getting booted off the tower completely once your current contract is up. I would talk to them and see what can be worked out by having you work around their crews. Travis Microserv Chuck McCown - 2 wrote: Talk to a judge for an emergency injunction. That is interfering with interstate commerce. - Original Message - From: Patrick Nix Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 1:36 PM Subject: [WISPA] Watertower trouble Got a situation... just received a call from the town's water dep't administrator telling me we have to be off of the tower in 3 days due to maintenance on tower. Evidently there is lead in the tower and a contractor is coming in to sandblast and repaint inside and out of the tower, as well as bring it up to safety standards. The problem is this is the only location available in this area to service approx 150 subs, and we received 3 days notice on a project they have evidently been working on for 4-5 months. Anyway has anyone had to work around similar situations and if so how long does this process normally take... they tell me it could be up to 2 months. By that time there will be no one left that will want service. Any thoughts? __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (800) 638-2614 http://www.csweb.net http://www.csweb.net/ E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble
I have had more than one occasion like this. If you ask to talk to the tower contractors and city office holders and let them know the effect on your business if you lose the spot they will work with you. People are rational 99.9% of the time when I work with them respectfully and approach them face to face. Some people say my near 300 pound frame helps me in the face to face negotiations though! :-D Scriv On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 4:10 PM, Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Getting legal involved would pretty much guarantee getting booted off the tower completely once your current contract is up. I would talk to them and see what can be worked out by having you work around their crews. Travis Microserv Chuck McCown - 2 wrote: Talk to a judge for an emergency injunction. That is interfering with interstate commerce. - Original Message - From: Patrick Nix Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 1:36 PM Subject: [WISPA] Watertower trouble Got a situation... just received a call from the town's water dep't administrator telling me we have to be off of the tower in 3 days due to maintenance on tower. Evidently there is lead in the tower and a contractor is coming in to sandblast and repaint inside and out of the tower, as well as bring it up to safety standards. The problem is this is the only location available in this area to service approx 150 subs, and we received 3 days notice on a project they have evidently been working on for 4-5 months. Anyway has anyone had to work around similar situations and if so how long does this process normally take... they tell me it could be up to 2 months. By that time there will be no one left that will want service. Any thoughts? __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (800) 638-2614 http://www.csweb.net http://www.csweb.net/ E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Looking for some things....
Hi all. Looking for a few things I need to buy... hope someone might have a few laying around to let go... TurboCell gear... KN-50/51 with or without radio card. Avaya OR-1 with or without radio card. Lucent OR firmware or TurcoCell firmware AP-500 with or without radio card. With or without TurboCell software. I'm also looking for a single NanoStation 2 as my promised ship date just slipped by 45 days on my order and I'd like one of them to test. Thanks, Blair Davis West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-650-5749 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for Executive Director
Tom, Good questions, I will answer your last one now. I put in on average 3 hours a day on WISPA duties. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 1:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for Executive Director Rick, Your bullet questions, gets us off to a great start on this conversation. Ok, based on your job description of Executive Director, what is left as a job description for officers of the board, other than voting to authoirize change? This stage of growth is a scary one, because if the wrong choices are made, it can change the principle foundation of WISPA. The question is, what are we really looking for in an executive director most? A) an office assistant? B) a marketing company? C) General association management D) someone capable to represent the issues of WISPs? These are three very different skill sets. As well, long term, I'm concerned that Vendor contribution could surpass Wisp contribution, if we build a business model that requires the vendor's money to support WISPA's operating costs. Its how organizations get taken over by vendor interests. Not that I do not appreciate vendor sponsorship. (Ps. Thanks for your help Vendors! All your generous contributions is what is currently allowing us to grow the organization). I'd argue, that a director should be well versed in the needs of WISPs. And the best option may be to look for a X-Wisp executive for the job. Or if part-time, an existing WISP? We are in somewhat of a Chicken or Egg situations, from teh perspective that, until we officially define the position, we can;t asses compensation fee, but without the fee defined, we may not be able to explore all our options for candidates. I think, after getting some feedback from members, the board needs to decide what WISPA can currently afford and/or justify paying. At this stage, are we looking for Part-time or Full time? Existing board member's how much time is currently being put in? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Rick Harnish [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 8:57 AM Subject: [WISPA] Suggestions for Executive Director The WISPA Board has discussed the possibility of hiring an Executive Director to handle the day to day operations more efficiently than the 7 member volunteer board can do. One of our largest challenges is financing this position. We are looking or ideas to help fund this position and come up with a job description for the position. Please take a few minutes and jot down a few ideas below. I believe this is the next logical step in establishing WISPA as a important trade association. We have come a long way in the last 4 years and now we need to take it to the next level. This will become a major thrust over the next few months. I think I have some potential Vendor Members willing to contribute, we need to develop this plan and market to the Vendors specifically what their generous contributions will go towards. Your help is needed. Funding Ideas: 1. Work with Vendor Members to ask for contributions such as higher level membership in the $5K to $25K range. 2. Work with larger WISPs willing to pay more than the normal $250 membership fee to help with funding. 3. Partner with other Trade Associations that have common interests and see the value of an alliance with WISPA and Executive Management 4. Apply for Grants that would fund a position like this. Job Description: 1. Handle phone calls and membership bookkeeping 2. Market WISPA to existing WISPs and Vendors 3. Develop partnerships with other trade associations 4. Attend Board meetings 5. Keep Board minutes 6. Communicate to the membership via email newsletters 7. Develop printed marketing material 8. Help facilitate Board Elections and nominations 9. Help organize trade shows/conferences Respectfully, Rick Harnish 260-307-4000 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.21/1457 - Release Date: 5/20/2008 4:45 PM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.21/1456 - Release Date: 5/20/2008 6:45 AM
Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for Executive Director
I spend about 3 hours per day also. Scriv On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 4:40 PM, Rick Harnish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom, Good questions, I will answer your last one now. I put in on average 3 hours a day on WISPA duties. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 1:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for Executive Director Rick, Your bullet questions, gets us off to a great start on this conversation. Ok, based on your job description of Executive Director, what is left as a job description for officers of the board, other than voting to authoirize change? This stage of growth is a scary one, because if the wrong choices are made, it can change the principle foundation of WISPA. The question is, what are we really looking for in an executive director most? A) an office assistant? B) a marketing company? C) General association management D) someone capable to represent the issues of WISPs? These are three very different skill sets. As well, long term, I'm concerned that Vendor contribution could surpass Wisp contribution, if we build a business model that requires the vendor's money to support WISPA's operating costs. Its how organizations get taken over by vendor interests. Not that I do not appreciate vendor sponsorship. (Ps. Thanks for your help Vendors! All your generous contributions is what is currently allowing us to grow the organization). I'd argue, that a director should be well versed in the needs of WISPs. And the best option may be to look for a X-Wisp executive for the job. Or if part-time, an existing WISP? We are in somewhat of a Chicken or Egg situations, from teh perspective that, until we officially define the position, we can;t asses compensation fee, but without the fee defined, we may not be able to explore all our options for candidates. I think, after getting some feedback from members, the board needs to decide what WISPA can currently afford and/or justify paying. At this stage, are we looking for Part-time or Full time? Existing board member's how much time is currently being put in? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Rick Harnish [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 8:57 AM Subject: [WISPA] Suggestions for Executive Director The WISPA Board has discussed the possibility of hiring an Executive Director to handle the day to day operations more efficiently than the 7 member volunteer board can do. One of our largest challenges is financing this position. We are looking or ideas to help fund this position and come up with a job description for the position. Please take a few minutes and jot down a few ideas below. I believe this is the next logical step in establishing WISPA as a important trade association. We have come a long way in the last 4 years and now we need to take it to the next level. This will become a major thrust over the next few months. I think I have some potential Vendor Members willing to contribute, we need to develop this plan and market to the Vendors specifically what their generous contributions will go towards. Your help is needed. Funding Ideas: 1. Work with Vendor Members to ask for contributions such as higher level membership in the $5K to $25K range. 2. Work with larger WISPs willing to pay more than the normal $250 membership fee to help with funding. 3. Partner with other Trade Associations that have common interests and see the value of an alliance with WISPA and Executive Management 4. Apply for Grants that would fund a position like this. Job Description: 1. Handle phone calls and membership bookkeeping 2. Market WISPA to existing WISPs and Vendors 3. Develop partnerships with other trade associations 4. Attend Board meetings 5. Keep Board minutes 6. Communicate to the membership via email newsletters 7. Develop printed marketing material 8. Help facilitate Board Elections and nominations 9. Help organize trade shows/conferences Respectfully, Rick Harnish 260-307-4000 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.21/1457 - Release Date: 5/20/2008 4:45 PM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming
Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble
Chuck McCown Wrote: Talk to a judge for an emergency injunction. That is interfering with interstate commerce. Two issues with this approach... (1) if you are claiming an interstate commerce issue you need to file in Federal Court (2) if you aren't crossing state lines with your signal, then it's unlikely that you could turn this into an interstate commerce issue (you would have to show that your service substantial effecting things that travel in interstate commerce). Besides... the government is going to argue that it's a health safety issue and the police power for health and safety is almost always going to trump any temporary inconvenience to private business. You would probably have better luck negotiating a deal with the city and the city's contractor for shrouding your equipment as suggested by others on this list. Larry Yunker Network Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] P.S. The information contained in this message is informed but is NOT LEGAL ADVISE (YET!) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble
Patrick, Been there, doing that now! We were given 1 week notice that a large water tower was going to be sandblasted and painted in a neighboring community. Which really stinks because the city knew this was going to happen 6 months ago. Luckily we found a tower at a local college where we could move our equipment to in the interim. They expected this to be a 3 month project and we are about 2 months into it now. Alternative solutions are slim to none where you are except bringing in a mobile pig. These mobile towers can usually get up to about 100' but will may be cost prohibitive depending on the revenue on that particular tower. I rented 3 of these towers last summer for a school system from a company in Oklahoma. I googled mobile towers and everything kept pointing to one basic company. I was surprised there were not more scattered around the country. Another option might be to contact the cell phone providers in your area and lease a tower from their fleetalthough that may be a challenge in itself. Rick Harnish -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Nix Jr. Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 3:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Watertower trouble Got a situation... just received a call from the town's water dep't administrator telling me we have to be off of the tower in 3 days due to maintenance on tower. Evidently there is lead in the tower and a contractor is coming in to sandblast and repaint inside and out of the tower, as well as bring it up to safety standards. The problem is this is the only location available in this area to service approx 150 subs, and we received 3 days notice on a project they have evidently been working on for 4-5 months. Anyway has anyone had to work around similar situations and if so how long does this process normally take... they tell me it could be up to 2 months. By that time there will be no one left that will want service. Any thoughts? __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (800) 638-2614 http://www.csweb.net http://www.csweb.net/ E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.21/1457 - Release Date: 5/20/2008 4:45 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.21/1457 - Release Date: 5/20/2008 4:45 PM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble
Be careful here... Most judges will automatically grant an emergency injunction. However, these normally require that you post a bond in the event the injunction was issued in error. Then YOU may be liable for the damages YOU caused by filing the injunction. A temporary restraining order is normally the way to handle this if you decide it is your only choice. However, they take a little longer to get issued and you may not have the luxury of such time. Be careful what you ask for ... You may get it! On 5/21/08 4:29 PM, Chuck McCown - 2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: During the injunction process (in the middle of the night with a very cranky judge in his PJs.) the terms of the contract (that may or may not exist) are never discussed. Only the potential for harm or damages to life or property. If the judge believes that damage or harm may happen, they quite often will grant the injunction. You would be surprised at how quick it gets people to the bargaining table the next morning. - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 3:19 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble The contract they have says the city only has to give them 48 hours... they actually gave 72 hours. A judge is not going to grant an injunction when they followed the contract that both parties agreed upon. Travis Microserv Chuck McCown - 2 wrote: If the choice is get the town fathers ruffled or losing your business, I know which direction I would go. An injunction only puts the project on hold to force everyone to come and talk. I have used this method before with good success. I would most certainly have a lawyer ready to contact a judge if you are not getting anywhere. What do you have to lose? - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 3:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble Getting legal involved would pretty much guarantee getting booted off the tower completely once your current contract is up. I would talk to them and see what can be worked out by having you work around their crews. Travis Microserv Chuck McCown - 2 wrote: Talk to a judge for an emergency injunction. That is interfering with interstate commerce. - Original Message - From: Patrick Nix Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 1:36 PM Subject: [WISPA] Watertower trouble Got a situation... just received a call from the town's water dep't administrator telling me we have to be off of the tower in 3 days due to maintenance on tower. Evidently there is lead in the tower and a contractor is coming in to sandblast and repaint inside and out of the tower, as well as bring it up to safety standards. The problem is this is the only location available in this area to service approx 150 subs, and we received 3 days notice on a project they have evidently been working on for 4-5 months. Anyway has anyone had to work around similar situations and if so how long does this process normally take... they tell me it could be up to 2 months. By that time there will be no one left that will want service. Any thoughts? __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (800) 638-2614 http://www.csweb.net http://www.csweb.net/ E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble
Nope, telecommunications are defacto interstate, especially internet and in general anything that the FCC regulates. The FCC had declared all internet communications as interstate in nature and they have successfully kept the jurisdiction over such cases. Federal judges are easy to find. And obtaining an emergency injunction is frequently done on unilateral argument. The town's opinion would not even be asked. If possible you totally blindside them. I am only suggesting, that if I am out of time and faced with losing the business, I would try to force a negotiation as a last gasp effort. You have nothing to lose if you are going to have to shut it off anyway. If the town fathers say get off without any concern as to keeping you in business, an injunction might buy you enough time to get on some other site. I always try to have plan A, B C in cases like this. Say what you want but I have done this in the past. - Original Message - From: Larry Yunker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 3:43 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble Chuck McCown Wrote: Talk to a judge for an emergency injunction. That is interfering with interstate commerce. Two issues with this approach... (1) if you are claiming an interstate commerce issue you need to file in Federal Court (2) if you aren't crossing state lines with your signal, then it's unlikely that you could turn this into an interstate commerce issue (you would have to show that your service substantial effecting things that travel in interstate commerce). Besides... the government is going to argue that it's a health safety issue and the police power for health and safety is almost always going to trump any temporary inconvenience to private business. You would probably have better luck negotiating a deal with the city and the city's contractor for shrouding your equipment as suggested by others on this list. Larry Yunker Network Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] P.S. The information contained in this message is informed but is NOT LEGAL ADVISE (YET!) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Looking for some things....
Hi Blair... I don't know what board is inside them but we have about 30 Turbocell clients (Karlnet RSU's and mostly EtherAnt-Turbos). Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: Blair Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 2:39 PM Subject: [WISPA] Looking for some things Hi all. Looking for a few things I need to buy... hope someone might have a few laying around to let go... TurboCell gear... KN-50/51 with or without radio card. Avaya OR-1 with or without radio card. Lucent OR firmware or TurcoCell firmware AP-500 with or without radio card. With or without TurboCell software. I'm also looking for a single NanoStation 2 as my promised ship date just slipped by 45 days on my order and I'd like one of them to test. Thanks, Blair Davis West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-650-5749 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble
Well, I just met with the contractors and we were able to reach an agreement, we just have to sign a damage waiver, and be there to move/remove equipment as needed. I am curious about the suggestion to cover equipment with burlap, how if at all does this affect the signal, also they will be putting a Geo-tarp up, will this affect the signal greatly 900Mhz and 5.8Ghz Thanks __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (800) 638-2614 http://www.csweb.net E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 4:46 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble Patrick, Been there, doing that now! We were given 1 week notice that a large water tower was going to be sandblasted and painted in a neighboring community. Which really stinks because the city knew this was going to happen 6 months ago. Luckily we found a tower at a local college where we could move our equipment to in the interim. They expected this to be a 3 month project and we are about 2 months into it now. Alternative solutions are slim to none where you are except bringing in a mobile pig. These mobile towers can usually get up to about 100' but will may be cost prohibitive depending on the revenue on that particular tower. I rented 3 of these towers last summer for a school system from a company in Oklahoma. I googled mobile towers and everything kept pointing to one basic company. I was surprised there were not more scattered around the country. Another option might be to contact the cell phone providers in your area and lease a tower from their fleetalthough that may be a challenge in itself. Rick Harnish -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Nix Jr. Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 3:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Watertower trouble Got a situation... just received a call from the town's water dep't administrator telling me we have to be off of the tower in 3 days due to maintenance on tower. Evidently there is lead in the tower and a contractor is coming in to sandblast and repaint inside and out of the tower, as well as bring it up to safety standards. The problem is this is the only location available in this area to service approx 150 subs, and we received 3 days notice on a project they have evidently been working on for 4-5 months. Anyway has anyone had to work around similar situations and if so how long does this process normally take... they tell me it could be up to 2 months. By that time there will be no one left that will want service. Any thoughts? __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (800) 638-2614 http://www.csweb.net http://www.csweb.net/ E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.21/1457 - Release Date: 5/20/2008 4:45 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.21/1457 - Release Date: 5/20/2008 4:45 PM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble
Dang, hate happy endings...! - Original Message - From: Patrick Nix Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 4:03 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble Well, I just met with the contractors and we were able to reach an agreement, we just have to sign a damage waiver, and be there to move/remove equipment as needed. I am curious about the suggestion to cover equipment with burlap, how if at all does this affect the signal, also they will be putting a Geo-tarp up, will this affect the signal greatly 900Mhz and 5.8Ghz Thanks __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (800) 638-2614 http://www.csweb.net E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 4:46 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble Patrick, Been there, doing that now! We were given 1 week notice that a large water tower was going to be sandblasted and painted in a neighboring community. Which really stinks because the city knew this was going to happen 6 months ago. Luckily we found a tower at a local college where we could move our equipment to in the interim. They expected this to be a 3 month project and we are about 2 months into it now. Alternative solutions are slim to none where you are except bringing in a mobile pig. These mobile towers can usually get up to about 100' but will may be cost prohibitive depending on the revenue on that particular tower. I rented 3 of these towers last summer for a school system from a company in Oklahoma. I googled mobile towers and everything kept pointing to one basic company. I was surprised there were not more scattered around the country. Another option might be to contact the cell phone providers in your area and lease a tower from their fleetalthough that may be a challenge in itself. Rick Harnish -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Nix Jr. Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 3:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Watertower trouble Got a situation... just received a call from the town's water dep't administrator telling me we have to be off of the tower in 3 days due to maintenance on tower. Evidently there is lead in the tower and a contractor is coming in to sandblast and repaint inside and out of the tower, as well as bring it up to safety standards. The problem is this is the only location available in this area to service approx 150 subs, and we received 3 days notice on a project they have evidently been working on for 4-5 months. Anyway has anyone had to work around similar situations and if so how long does this process normally take... they tell me it could be up to 2 months. By that time there will be no one left that will want service. Any thoughts? __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (800) 638-2614 http://www.csweb.net http://www.csweb.net/ E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.21/1457 - Release Date: 5/20/2008 4:45 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.21/1457 - Release Date: 5/20/2008 4:45 PM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble
Yes, I had to post $5000 in one case. But at 8:00 am the next morning all parties were around the table and we had a solution by 9. - Original Message - From: Cliff LeBoeuf [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 4:00 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble Be careful here... Most judges will automatically grant an emergency injunction. However, these normally require that you post a bond in the event the injunction was issued in error. Then YOU may be liable for the damages YOU caused by filing the injunction. A temporary restraining order is normally the way to handle this if you decide it is your only choice. However, they take a little longer to get issued and you may not have the luxury of such time. Be careful what you ask for ... You may get it! On 5/21/08 4:29 PM, Chuck McCown - 2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: During the injunction process (in the middle of the night with a very cranky judge in his PJs.) the terms of the contract (that may or may not exist) are never discussed. Only the potential for harm or damages to life or property. If the judge believes that damage or harm may happen, they quite often will grant the injunction. You would be surprised at how quick it gets people to the bargaining table the next morning. - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 3:19 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble The contract they have says the city only has to give them 48 hours... they actually gave 72 hours. A judge is not going to grant an injunction when they followed the contract that both parties agreed upon. Travis Microserv Chuck McCown - 2 wrote: If the choice is get the town fathers ruffled or losing your business, I know which direction I would go. An injunction only puts the project on hold to force everyone to come and talk. I have used this method before with good success. I would most certainly have a lawyer ready to contact a judge if you are not getting anywhere. What do you have to lose? - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 3:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble Getting legal involved would pretty much guarantee getting booted off the tower completely once your current contract is up. I would talk to them and see what can be worked out by having you work around their crews. Travis Microserv Chuck McCown - 2 wrote: Talk to a judge for an emergency injunction. That is interfering with interstate commerce. - Original Message - From: Patrick Nix Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 1:36 PM Subject: [WISPA] Watertower trouble Got a situation... just received a call from the town's water dep't administrator telling me we have to be off of the tower in 3 days due to maintenance on tower. Evidently there is lead in the tower and a contractor is coming in to sandblast and repaint inside and out of the tower, as well as bring it up to safety standards. The problem is this is the only location available in this area to service approx 150 subs, and we received 3 days notice on a project they have evidently been working on for 4-5 months. Anyway has anyone had to work around similar situations and if so how long does this process normally take... they tell me it could be up to 2 months. By that time there will be no one left that will want service. Any thoughts? __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (800) 638-2614 http://www.csweb.net http://www.csweb.net/ E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Looking for some things....
Mark, Thanks, I'd be willing to buy one just to find out. Hit me off list with pricing and such? Blair Mark Nash wrote: Hi Blair... I don't know what board is inside them but we have about 30 Turbocell clients (Karlnet RSU's and mostly EtherAnt-Turbos). Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: Blair Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 2:39 PM Subject: [WISPA] Looking for some things Hi all. Looking for a few things I need to buy... hope someone might have a few laying around to let go... TurboCell gear... KN-50/51 with or without radio card. Avaya OR-1 with or without radio card. Lucent OR firmware or TurcoCell firmware AP-500 with or without radio card. With or without TurboCell software. I'm also looking for a single NanoStation 2 as my promised ship date just slipped by 45 days on my order and I'd like one of them to test. Thanks, Blair Davis West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-650-5749 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Barracuda = Source of SPAM?
If i deny SMTP to all but the barracudas IP then won't people not be able to send email ? -- Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com - Original Message From: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barracuda = Source of SPAM? Date: 05/21/08 16:21 Kurt Fankhauser wrote: gt; I currently host email for a few domains as well as my own. I use a gt; Barracuda SPAM firewall for my own domain but not the others. Anyways I gt; pointed an MX record for one of the domains to the Barracuda Spam Firewall. gt; That domain was not getting any spam whatsoever because it was a newly gt; registered domain but I wanted it to be READY just in case. Anyways as soon gt; as I did that the company that uses the domain's email started screaming gt; bloody murder because they said they were getting TONS of spam all the gt; sudden. Turns out I added the MX record for the Barracuda as a LOWER gt; priority and so it was not getting to filter every email that was coming in. When my office installed its first Barracuda (this was over four years ago), I kept fairly careful counts of the quot;rawquot; number of emails that came in, before and after, and didn't see any discrepancies. If it was a newly-registered domain, it may simply have taken the spammers a few days to learn about it. (Yes, some spammers have turned to things like scraping WHOIS records to learn about new names.) Also, apropos of nothing, if your network topology permits, be sure to firewall off the quot;destinationquot; server's port 25, so that it will only accept email from the Barracuda itself (or from properly-authenticated users). Took me a while to realize that some spammers didn't even bother with MX lookups and would just try SMTP connections to random IPs and hope they'd get lucky, then fire off a dictionary attack. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Barracuda = Source of SPAM?
If i deny SMTP to all but the barracudas IP then won't people not be able to send email ? Obviously you'll have to adjust your firewall rules a little bit, to match your network. :) I've got two separate sets of firewall rules - one that protects my mail server from the outside world, and another that protects the outside world from my customers. Essentially, I force the rest of the Internet to send mail in through the Barracuda (so it can be filtered properly), and I force my customers to use our mail server (so it can be logged properly). There are a few exceptions on both sides of this, of course. Don't just do anything someone on the Internet tells you without carefully considering the ramifications. KNOW YOUR NETWORK. :) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Barracuda = Source of SPAM?
David E. Smith wrote: If i deny SMTP to all but the barracudas IP then won't people not be able to send email ? Obviously you'll have to adjust your firewall rules a little bit, to match your network. :) All of my MX records point to machines running the same set of spam filtering rules. Those boxes are my home-built equivalent to a Barracuda. The real mail server sits safely behind them and doesn't receive anything on port 25. Customers send to port 587 and are required to authenticate. Keeps that box nice and clean. I have watched all three filter boxes and see spammers try them in sequence of high to low priority, low to high, and sometimes hit all three at the exact same time. There is no point of even advertising the unprotected mail server's IP address to the world unless/until your Barracuda goes down. People can withstand a short delay in outside email far more than a sudden flood of spam, and that could theoretically clobber the box and cause more problems, depending on how it's built. -- Bryan WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble
Patrick Nix Jr. wrote: Well, I just met with the contractors and we were able to reach an agreement, we just have to sign a damage waiver, and be there to move/remove equipment as needed. I am curious about the suggestion to cover equipment with burlap, how if at all does this affect the signal, also they will be putting a Geo-tarp up, will this affect the signal greatly 900Mhz and 5.8Ghz Thanks I would assume the lead from the paint may have some degragating effect on your rissi. But fortunatly, you are still in biz. Congradts. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 2 Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 5:56 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble Nope, telecommunications are defacto interstate, especially internet and in general anything that the FCC regulates. The FCC had declared all internet communications as interstate in nature and they have successfully kept the jurisdiction over such cases. - Yep, you are right, internet service as a form of telecommunications is interstate, but provisioning may still be controlled under local (state) law and contract-law is definitely a state law issue. Federal judges are easy to find. And obtaining an emergency injunction is frequently done on unilateral argument. The town's opinion would not even be asked. If possible you totally blindside them. - As a last resort, you could ask for a TRO (temporary restraining order) to stop the municipality from kicking you off, but keep in mind that police power is given great deference. If the muni can show that there is a chance that delaying the sandblasting will put even one person's health at risk, the judge should revoke the TRO immediately and the muni will likely be pissed at you for having put them through the hassle of going to court. My 2 cents worth - try to negotiate FIRST and resort to the courts LAST. - Larry WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Communications / Radio Tech career
Hi, I've recently graduated with a BA in English BUT am interested in shifting towards a career as a communications or radio technician. I don't really know much about how to go about doing this. Any tips? I've thought about going back to school to pursue a BS in Electrical Engineering, but would that be overkill? Any and all advice is welcome! Thank you, Ryan Van Dolson WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Communications / Radio Tech career
I would say if you have the time, money, desire and drive to get your BSEE, by all means do so. At least you already have all your general ed covered. Normally technicians come up through the ranks, many times with various forms of formal or semi formal education from a variety of colleges and technical training schools or the military. I have hired lots of technicians and engineers over the years. I'll take a life long interest/experience in Ham radio over the degree in many cases. Or military. Fresh BSEEs are not good for much. You have to teach them the stuff the technicians already know. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 10:17 PM Subject: [WISPA] Communications / Radio Tech career Hi, I've recently graduated with a BA in English BUT am interested in shifting towards a career as a communications or radio technician. I don't really know much about how to go about doing this. Any tips? I've thought about going back to school to pursue a BS in Electrical Engineering, but would that be overkill? Any and all advice is welcome! Thank you, Ryan Van Dolson WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for Executive Director
The only way to keep the big companies for taking over wispa is to insure that all entities get the same vote. I matter as much as Sprint. That's part of the magic of WISPA. We built that into the by-laws. marlon - Original Message - From: Randy Cosby [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 10:50 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for Executive Director Tom DeReggi wrote: Davis, you'll pay $100 per year. $400 subs, 400. Let me throw in a devils advocate question here. If I have 400 customers and pay $400, do I get as many votes as an ISP with 10,000 customers who pays $10,000? If you look at this in the purely corporate sense, WISPA would be selling shares and each share gets a vote. Randy WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for Executive Director
One of the reasons that we have these discussions on this list is that lots of people have good ideas. Who cares if a good idea is from a member or not? We also want to know why people aren't joining, this is a good place to find such things out. marlon - Original Message - From: Mark Nash [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 11:07 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for Executive Director I agree with Butch. $250 per year is a drop in the bucket to all of us, no matter how big or small, ESPECIALLY when compared to the value you receive from free advice and support ...and I can't tell you how annoying the tell me why I should join WISPA rants are... (ryan, I'm not talking about your request this morning)... Non members should not be adding to my inbox on this topic. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: Butch Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 10:56 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for Executive Director On Wed, 21 May 2008, Randy Cosby wrote: Let me throw in a devils advocate question here. If I have 400 customers and pay $400, do I get as many votes as an ISP with 10,000 customers who pays $10,000? If you look at this in the purely corporate sense, WISPA would be selling shares and each share gets a vote. I'd think that a WISP is a WISP and only gets a single vote. Not selling shares at all. Either way, I don't understand why input on this topic is on the non-members list at all. -- *Butch Evans *Professional Network Consultation * *Network Engineering *MikroTik RouterOS* *573-276-2879 *ImageStream * *http://www.butchevans.com/ *StarOS and MORE * *Mikrotik Certified Consultant *Wired or Wireless Networks* -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble
I'd start with explaining that to whoever will listen. Hopefully the manager will, if not the mayor. If they are working on the INSIDE of the tank, you should be ok outside. Offer to work closely with the contractor so that you can move cables from one side to the other as need be. Let us know what you end up with. marlon - Original Message - From: Patrick Nix Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 12:36 PM Subject: [WISPA] Watertower trouble Got a situation... just received a call from the town's water dep't administrator telling me we have to be off of the tower in 3 days due to maintenance on tower. Evidently there is lead in the tower and a contractor is coming in to sandblast and repaint inside and out of the tower, as well as bring it up to safety standards. The problem is this is the only location available in this area to service approx 150 subs, and we received 3 days notice on a project they have evidently been working on for 4-5 months. Anyway has anyone had to work around similar situations and if so how long does this process normally take... they tell me it could be up to 2 months. By that time there will be no one left that will want service. Any thoughts? __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (800) 638-2614 http://www.csweb.net http://www.csweb.net/ E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble
Off or turned off? There's a BIG difference. marlon - Original Message - From: Kurt Fankhauser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 1:09 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble Our contract states the city only has to give us 48 hours notice to be off for water tower maintenance. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Nix Jr. Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 3:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Watertower trouble Got a situation... just received a call from the town's water dep't administrator telling me we have to be off of the tower in 3 days due to maintenance on tower. Evidently there is lead in the tower and a contractor is coming in to sandblast and repaint inside and out of the tower, as well as bring it up to safety standards. The problem is this is the only location available in this area to service approx 150 subs, and we received 3 days notice on a project they have evidently been working on for 4-5 months. Anyway has anyone had to work around similar situations and if so how long does this process normally take... they tell me it could be up to 2 months. By that time there will be no one left that will want service. Any thoughts? __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (800) 638-2614 http://www.csweb.net http://www.csweb.net/ E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
