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Re: [WISPA] Looking for startup suggestions

2017-02-02 Thread Jay Weekley

Don't choose a product line just because it's cheap.

Chadwick Wachs wrote:
> We are a small co-op WISP and one of our goals was to publicly 
> document what we do.  For some basic beginning info, take a look at: 
> http://www.auwireless.net/blog/
>
> This is not to say this is the model or even the right way to start a 
> WISP. It is simply what we did. Some of it works, some of it was a 
> mistake. One of our future challenges we will face is we built a 
> fairly flat network. That works fine when we are small but as we grow, 
> it is not going to scale with us.  Think about where you want to grow 
> and don't box yourself in with hardware or topology decisions early on 
> that you will regret. But, don't over spend early on. Much of this 
> stuff is cheap enough to "upgrade" after a year or so.
>
> Choose your RF vendor wisely... We field tested 5 different vendors in 
> our RF environment before choosing one that worked for us and was in 
> our budget. Don't let someone else tell you which is the best hardware 
> because that is what they use. It may be great advice but I suggest 
> testing. Most vendors or good suppliers will provide some demo gear 
> for this purpose.
>
> This mailing list has been great to us for help. Use the community and 
> forum pages on the vendor sites as well.  And, I'd strongly suggest 
> finding yourself a supplier you can trust and that will help you make 
> good decisions. Our supplier has run WISPs of varying size for decades 
> and has made a some mistakes as well as good decisions and is not 
> embarrassed to share and advise us.
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 3:42 PM, Mark Limehouse 
> mailto:mark.limeho...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>   I am at the discovery and the beginning of research to start a
> WISP within my state (Wisconsin). My focus is to make this into a
> solid business model that I can build and expand eventually. I am
> taking my time I want to do this right and address all potential
> pitfalls or "gotchas" that may be known from a technology and
> provider standpoint. Would anyone be kind enough to offer up their
> suggestions or direct me to where I can obtain this kind of detail?
>
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> Mark
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Re: [WISPA] Looking for startup suggestions

2017-02-02 Thread Mike Francis

One thing I see a lot are people who focus so much on being a WISP that
they forget it is also a real business. I have no idea about your
business experience, but having a good foundation and some systems in
place to start with will go a long way. There are a lot of WISPS/ISPs
who are perfectly happy being a one man or two man operation, but then
there are others who can not seem to figure out why they can't ever get
over that hump. The secret is to understand business. Here is a great
book written by a technology guy for technology businesses. I've given
it to all my employees, shareholders and several clients.

https://books.google.com/books/about/Organizational_Physics_The_Science_of_Gr.html?id=trfNBAAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=kp_read_button&hl=en#v=onepage&q&f=false

Next is understanding the business and it's potential. Setting some
goals to build a plan on will go a long way. What clients do you want to
service and what do you want to provide to them? Those two questions
will define a lot about what your staff, network, capabilities and cash
requirements will look like. There is no better place to talk, discuss
and begin to understand all of this than a WISPA event. I wish someone
had introduced me to WISPA much earlier in this business. Any money you
spend on WISPA events will gain you 100x in knowledge and contacts in
the industry.

http://www.wispa.org/Events/WISPAmerica

If I had to give you one more piece of advice it would be to start
taking local bankers to lunch now. You may not need or want them today,
but eventually you will need them!

Good luck to you and call me if you ever want to talk.

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JMF Solutions, Inc
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anyway. If you do good, people may accuse you of selfish motives. Do
good anyway. If you are successful, you may win false friends and true
enemies. Succeed anyway. The good you do today may be forgotten
tomorrow. Do good anyway. Honesty and transparency make you vulnerable.
Be honest and transparent anyway. What you spend years building may be
destroyed overnight. Build anyway. People who really want help may
attack you if you help them. Help them anyway. Give the world the best
you have and you may get hurt. Give the world your best anyway." By:
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On 2/2/2017 4:42 PM, Mark Limehouse wrote:
I am at the discovery and the beginning of research to start a WISP
within my state (Wisconsin). My focus is to make this into a solid
business model that I can build and expand eventually. I am taking my
time I want to do this right and address all potential pitfalls or
"gotchas" that may be known from a technology and provider standpoint.
Would anyone be kind enough to offer up their suggestions or direct me
to where I can obtain this kind of detail?

Thanks in advance!

Mark

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Re: [WISPA] Looking for startup suggestions

2017-02-02 Thread Chadwick Wachs

We are a small co-op WISP and one of our goals was to publicly document
what we do.  For some basic beginning info, take a look at:
http://www.auwireless.net/blog/

This is not to say this is the model or even the right way to start a WISP.
It is simply what we did. Some of it works, some of it was a mistake. One
of our future challenges we will face is we built a fairly flat network.
That works fine when we are small but as we grow, it is not going to scale
with us.  Think about where you want to grow and don't box yourself in with
hardware or topology decisions early on that you will regret. But, don't
over spend early on. Much of this stuff is cheap enough to "upgrade" after
a year or so.

Choose your RF vendor wisely... We field tested 5 different vendors in our
RF environment before choosing one that worked for us and was in our
budget. Don't let someone else tell you which is the best hardware because
that is what they use. It may be great advice but I suggest testing. Most
vendors or good suppliers will provide some demo gear for this purpose.

This mailing list has been great to us for help. Use the community and
forum pages on the vendor sites as well.  And, I'd strongly suggest finding
yourself a supplier you can trust and that will help you make good
decisions. Our supplier has run WISPs of varying size for decades and has
made a some mistakes as well as good decisions and is not embarrassed to
share and advise us.

On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 3:42 PM, Mark Limehouse 
wrote:

>   I am at the discovery and the beginning of research to start a WISP
> within my state (Wisconsin). My focus is to make this into a solid business
> model that I can build and expand eventually. I am taking my time I want to
> do this right and address all potential pitfalls or "gotchas" that may be
> known from a technology and provider standpoint. Would anyone be kind
> enough to offer up their suggestions or direct me to where I can obtain
> this kind of detail?
>
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> Mark
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[WISPA] Looking for startup suggestions

2017-02-02 Thread Mark Limehouse

  I am at the discovery and the beginning of research to start a WISP
within my state (Wisconsin). My focus is to make this into a solid business
model that I can build and expand eventually. I am taking my time I want to
do this right and address all potential pitfalls or "gotchas" that may be
known from a technology and provider standpoint. Would anyone be kind
enough to offer up their suggestions or direct me to where I can obtain
this kind of detail?


Thanks in advance!

Mark
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Re: [WISPA] Wireless Digest, Vol 61, Issue 2

2017-02-02 Thread Sam Tetherow

gt;>
>> I have a potential client that currently has a /27 with his current 
>> provider, and would like at least a /27 or preferably a /26 from us.
>>
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>> We only have a /21 worth of space from ARIN.
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>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Static IP Pricing
>> To: wireless@wispa.org
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>> When I was at TWC, we would give out up to a /24 to a customer if they
>> could justify it. Beyond that, we'd push them to go to ARIN. This was on
>> fiber, if they were on coax, it was super expensive (like $50+ for a /29)
>>
>> There was list pricing on the static IPs, but it was one of the first
>> things to be discounted in negotiation. That being said, this was ~7
>> years ago. I would look at what it will cost you to buy a /24 on the
>> auction block, and charge enough to be able to replace your IPs as you
>> run out - that would be the simplest justification. It's hard to compare
>> to AT&T, as they probably have a lot of unused space, and a lot more
>> resources to be able to obtain more.
>>
>> On 2/2/2017 9:20 AM, Colton Conor wrote:
>>> Agreed, but I need to be able to justify this pricing somehow. What
>>> does AT&T charge if you get their Fiber MIS product? Is it unlimited
>>> with justification or what? What are most fiber providers doing even
>>> the ones that have extremely large blocks?
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 9:14 AM, Tim Way >> <mailto:t...@way.vg>> wrote:
>>>
>>>   Life in IPv4 is getting more expensive as scarcity increases.
>>>
>>>   On Feb 2, 2017 9:13 AM, "Colton Conor" >>   <mailto:colton.co...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>   So a /26 has 64 total IPs, but only 62 are useable. So you are
>>>   saying you would charge $5 - $10 per IP times 62 IPs? The cost
>>>   of their statics would then cost more than the actual service?
>>>
>>>   On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 8:44 AM, Scott Pope
>>>   mailto:sp...@arbucklecomm.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>   We charge $8.50 per month/per IP for our Static IP
>>>   addresses.  This has been our pricing for 10+ years.
>>>
>>>
>>>   --
>>>   Scott Pope
>>>   Network and Operations Officer
>>>   Arbuckle Communications, LLC
>>>   Office: 580-226-1234 
>>>   Mobile: 580-277-1108 
>>>   sp...@arbucklecomm.com <mailto:sp...@arbucklecomm.com>
>>>   www.arbucklecomm.com <http://www.arbucklecomm.com>
>>>   /*"We Are Built For Business"
>>>   */
>>>
>>>
>>>   On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 7:16 AM, Troy Gibson, Byhalia.net
>>>   mailto:t...@byhalia.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>>   $5/month/IP
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>
>>>    Original message 
>>>   From: Judd Dare >>   <mailto:judd.d...@gmail.com>>
>>>   Date: 2/1/17 9:28 PM (GMT-05:00)
>>>

Re: [WISPA] Wireless Digest, Vol 61, Issue 2

2017-02-02 Thread Josh Luthman

er providers charge?
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> I have a potential client that currently has a /27 with his current provider, 
> and would like at least a /27 or preferably a /26 from us.
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> We only have a /21 worth of space from ARIN.
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> Message-ID: <2cb316fc-465f-b2b6-bbb5-72dcbe8ac767@sonar.software> 
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> When I was at TWC, we would give out up to a /24 to a customer if they
> could justify it. Beyond that, we'd push them to go to ARIN. This was on
> fiber, if they were on coax, it was super expensive (like $50+ for a /29)
>
> There was list pricing on the static IPs, but it was one of the first
> things to be discounted in negotiation. That being said, this was ~7
> years ago. I would look at what it will cost you to buy a /24 on the
> auction block, and charge enough to be able to replace your IPs as you
> run out - that would be the simplest justification. It's hard to compare
> to AT&T, as they probably have a lot of unused space, and a lot more
> resources to be able to obtain more.
>
> On 2/2/2017 9:20 AM, Colton Conor wrote:
>
> Agreed, but I need to be able to justify this pricing somehow. What
> does AT&T charge if you get their Fiber MIS product? Is it unlimited
> with justification or what? What are most fiber providers doing even
> the ones that have extremely large blocks?
>
> On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 9:14 AM, Tim Way mailto:t...@way.vg> 
> > wrote:
>
>  Life in IPv4 is getting more expensive as scarcity increases.
>
>  On Feb 2, 2017 9:13 AM, "Colton Conor"   <mailto:colton.co...@gmail.com> > wrote:
>
>  So a /26 has 64 total IPs, but only 62 are useable. So you are
>  saying you would charge $5 - $10 per IP times 62 IPs? The cost
>  of their statics would then cost more than the actual service?
>
>  On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 8:44 AM, Scott Pope
>  mailto:sp...@arbucklecomm.com> 
> > wrote:
>
>  We charge $8.50 per month/per IP for our Static IP
>  addresses.  This has been our pricing for 10+ years.
>
>
>  --
>  Scott Pope
>  Network and Operations Officer
>  Arbuckle Communications, LLC
>  Office: 580-226-1234 <(580)%20226-1234> 
>  <%28580%29%20226-1234>
>  Mobile: 580-277-1108 <(580)%20277-1108> 
>  <%28580%29%20277-1108>
>  sp...@arbucklecomm.com <mailto:sp...@arbucklecomm.com> 
> 
>  www.arbucklecomm.com <http://www.arbucklecomm.com> 
> <http://www.arbucklecomm.com>
>  /*"We Are Built For Business"
>  */
>
>
>  On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 7:16 AM, Troy Gibson, Byhalia.net
>  mailto:t...@byhalia.net> > 
> wrote:
>
>  $5/month/IP
>
>
>
>  Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>
>   Original message 
>  From: Judd Dare   <mailto:judd.d...@gmail.com> >
>  Date: 2/1/17 9:28 PM (GMT-05:00)
>  To: WISPA General List   <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> >
>  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Static IP Pricing
>
>  Typical cost is around $1-2/IP/Month with various
>  fiber providers.
>
>  I've been planning to charge something like
>  $10-20/IP/Mo for commercial in order to only sell to
>

Re: [WISPA] Residential service terms

2017-02-02 Thread Sam Tetherow

I've always been month to month with an install fee to cover the 
install.  I know several others that after the contract has expired they 
convert to a month to month at the same rate.  The idea being the 
contract term is just to cover the cost of the install.



Having a longer term contract is not going to make any difference with 
the flaky people.  You are much better off turning customers off 
sooner.  I bill at the beginning of the month for the service for that 
month, if they haven't paid by the 15th of the following month they are 
turned off.  Another option is go card/ach only and shorten that period 
to the 15th of the current month so you would only be out 15 days service.



Only out 45 days worth of service which isn't a bad hit for the few 
absolute flakes.  It also helps keep the bill small for those that just 
have a hard time managing the budget.  It is easier for them to pay 1 or 
2 months of service to get turned back on rather than having to pay 4 or 
more months.



On 02/02/2017 11:07 AM, Daniel Peoples wrote:
Quick question, what is your length of contract for a residential 
customer? Do you move to a month to month after that term?


We've always done a straight month to month agreement and our 
customers of course love that and for the most part they stay. But in 
doing account audits we have a quite a few flaky people who pay the 
install and then never pay again. They use the service until we cut 
them off and the drop of the face of the earth.


Thanks!

/Regina Peoples/
Resonance Broadband
/Resonancebroadband.com/ 
918-429-3620



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Re: [WISPA] Wireless Digest, Vol 61, Issue 2

2017-02-02 Thread Scott Reed

WISPA has at least 7 hardware brand  specific lists.  In addition the 
general lists have folks from many backgrounds and network topological 
that are most willing to answer questions.


There are also several general topic lists such as IPv6, Fiber, TVWS, etc.

Some of the lists are member only.  The best way to find them is to 
login to WISPA.org and then manage your account.  One of the choices is 
mail lists.


Many of the vendor also run a maillist or forum. Check the vendor sites 
to see how to sign up for them.


If you ask a question here that might have more answers on another list, 
someone will usually refer you to the other list.



On 2/2/2017 2:03 PM, OOLLC-Support wrote:

Is there a users group that post about mixed hardware networks? and what
would be there name for postings?

I use Ubiquiti and am looking for other hardware that would function
well with or better than what I have

Jan

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Today's Topics:

 1. Re:  Static IP Pricing (Brad Belton)
 2. Re:  Static IP Pricing (Simon Westlake)
 3. Re:  Static IP Pricing (Troy Gibson, Byhalia.net)
 4. Re:  Static IP Pricing (Bryce Duchcherer)
 5. Re:  Static IP Pricing (Colton Conor)


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If they are able to legitimately justify a /26 in IP space then it?s possible 
you aren?t charging enough for your service.

   


Brad

   


From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Tim Way
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 9:14 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Static IP Pricing

   


Life in IPv4 is getting more expensive as scarcity increases.

   


On Feb 2, 2017 9:13 AM, "Colton Conor"  wrote:

So a /26 has 64 total IPs, but only 62 are useable. So you are saying you would 
charge $5 - $10 per IP times 62 IPs? The cost of their statics would then cost 
more than the actual service?

   


On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 8:44 AM, Scott Pope  wrote:

We charge $8.50 per month/per IP for our Static IP addresses.  This has been 
our pricing for 10+ years.

   





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Network and Operations Officer

Arbuckle Communications, LLC

Office: 580-226-1234 

Mobile: 580-277-1108 

sp...@arbucklecomm.com

www.arbucklecomm.com

"We Are Built For Business"

   

   


On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 7:16 AM, Troy Gibson, Byhalia.net  
wrote:

$5/month/IP

   

   

   


Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

   


 Original message 

From: Judd Dare 

Date: 2/1/17 9:28 PM (GMT-05:00)

To: WISPA General List 

Subject: Re: [WISPA] Static IP Pricing

   


Typical cost is around $1-2/IP/Month with various fiber providers.

I've been planning to charge something like $10-20/IP/Mo for commercial in 
order to only sell to people who really need it.

   


On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 7:22 PM, Colton Conor  wrote:

How much do you charge business customers for static IPs?

   


Comcast Business class cable internet charges

   1 - $14.95/mo.

   5 - $19.95/mo

   13 - $34.95/mo.

   


What do fiber providers charge?

   


I have a potential client that currently has a /27 with his current provider, 
and would like at least a /27 or preferably a /26 from us.

   


We only have a /21 worth of space from ARIN.


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