Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Bullet5-HP

[Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net]

We are doing close to 70meg TCP with MTs.  All depends on the links..

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Robert West wrote:
> Has anyone got their hands on the 1 watt Bullet5-HP yet?  Is it all hype?
> I'm  tempted to buy a couple at 89 bucks per, that is if anyone had some in
> stock.  I have 2 backhauls to install in the next couple of weeks and
> normally go with a Mikrotik board with a XR5 card.  If the specs are right,
> I could possibly do it at half the cost.  Any thoughts???
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> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 8:55 PM
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 802.11 CPE's
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>  
>
> also...
>
> Butche Evans
> CTI
> Streakwave
>
> Brian
>
> Josh Luthman wrote: 
>
> IN NO PARTICULAR ORDER:
>  
> Roc Noc
> Quicklink Wireless
> Pasadena Networks
> WISP Router
> Titan Wireless
> TenX Networks
>  
> Done business with them all and I am happy.
>  
> On 7/20/09, Mike    wrote:
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>
> Looking for a good MT vendor.  The fellow I've been trying to work
> with has gone AWOL.  I need to get a link going for a community
> project pretty quickly.
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> Regards,
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[WISPA] On-line Chat

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Just wished to tell everyone that I will be on-line for the next hour or 
two, maybe more in the WISPA chat page.Anyone wish to join me?  
http://www.wispa.org/wispa-chat/ 

I also would like to make sure I tell everyone that I will be on-line as 
well tomorrow around 9:30 AM CST as well if their are any questions that 
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Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Candidate Replies Requested

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First, I would like to thank everyone for the support they have shown me 
as well as the great relationships I have made as a board and committee 
member with WISPA.  I am sure I can continue to serve the WISP community 
with WISPA, and I do look forward to doing so!   There are some 
questions that were posted to the candidates, and with the election 
looming, I wanted to make sure I addressed those!

Since some of you do not know me, I wished to give you some background. 

*/Dennis Burgess Bio/*

Dennis Burgess has been in the service provider business since 1992 when 
he started his first BBS.  This system grew to one of the larger BBS 
systems in the St. Louis area.  After testing out of several classes in 
college he graduated from Vatterott Technical College in 1997, 5 months 
early.  He obtained a Associates in Computer Electronics and another in 
Networking Technologies from Vatterott. Mr. Burgess was hired before 
graduation by a local IT Consulting company.  During the next few years 
Dennis worked for large construction firms, law offices, and other 
manufacturing businesses in and around Missouri and Illinois under 
several Consulting firms.  Typically he worked as a Network 
Administrator, Network Engineer and/or Project Engineer.  Typical 
projects were rolling out large shared server systems, clustered mail 
and terminal servers, as well a complete network router/engineering 
support for many clients.Dennis also worked for a group of 
Harley-Davidson Dealerships that had very minimal networking between 
their locations to a full business-grade network including centralized 
management, support services and programmers on-staff as the Director of 
Information Technologies.Mr. Burgess then started his own Wireless 
ISP service in the Festus and Hillsboro, MO area, that serviced the 
under serviced areas with high-speed internet access.  This Wireless ISP 
was sold and later merged with other businesses.  While running his 
WISP, Dennis also created a new company, Link Technologies, Inc. 

Link Technologies, Inc serves hundreds of Wireless and Non-Wireless 
Internet Service Providers around the USA, Canada, South America, 
Austria la, Europe and even Africa.  Link Technologies, Inc is a full 
service Mikrotik and routing support company that focuses on Mikrotik 
RouterOS as well as any other internet routing systems that their 
customers have a need for.  LTI also has deployed and worked with 
companies  such as CenturyTel, The US Navy, The Department of Homeland 
Security, and other large Internet providers around the USA.  Most of 
the work focuses on network design, network engineering, project 
management, network deployment and RF Engineering.  These include RF 
Path Analysis, Site Surveys and major network build-outs.

*What do you see as the top 3 priority items that need to be addressed 
by WISPA?

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First and foremost, we need to ensure a high quality organization.  To 
do this, we will need a dedicated person to the WISPA organization 
handing calls, ,managing memberships, as well as actively recruiting new 
members!  This is the future of WISPA, as it has been with many other 
organizations!  This will give WISPA the direction that it needs to go 
into the future by better maintaining WISPAs relationship with its most 
important asset, its members! 

Increasing membership is another goal!  To hire dedicated personnel, 
move froward with FCC and other hot topics that WISPs need to have a 
hand in costs! Raising dues could be used to create more income, 
however, being able to represent the majority of WISPs in the US would 
be a much better goal.  Not only would we have increased revenue from 
increased membership, but also the increased membership would be a 
significant resource for both existing and future members as well.  It 
would be nice to be able to say that WISPA represents 90+% of the known 
WISPS in the USA! 

Increasing that membership is good, but what will get those members to 
join!  Value!  We already have a very low cost of joining, however, that 
alone is not enough.  We need to have resources!  These resources are 
part of what the WISPA.ORG website as well as the new WIKI site is all 
about.  Members will have access to more resources in the future  and by 
us developing those resources, we will ensure that new members get the 
value they need out of WISPA to join! 

*What the the greatest hurdles faced by the WISPA industry in the short 
term?  In the long Term?

*Growing pains!  The next board will place many new seeds with the way 
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right now, and in the future it will be able to better attend to its 
members by having the dedicated staff that the organization needs.  This 
growth shows the change from a cowboy attitude to a more professional 
organization with dedicated staff and member resources.

*There has been a great deal of debate about the dues structure -- what 
do you thin

Re: [WISPA] Routerboard 333 vs 433

[Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net]

Also note that 333s are going by the wayside too.  The 400 series is 
really the main workhorse right now. 

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Kevin Neal wrote:
> http://www.routerboard.com/pdf/tests_jan_2008pps.pdf
>
> Well, pps wise, it looks like the 433 is around 80kpps and the 433 ah
> is around 140kpps.  Best performance pps that the 333 can do is
> 80kpps.
>
> -Kevin
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 11:37 PM, Josh
> Luthman wrote:
>   
>> Kevin's link
>> http://www.routerboard.com/pdf/tests_jan_2008mbps.pdf
>>
>> says the 333 dominates over the 532 (per MikroTik's testing)
>>
>> Josh Luthman
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>> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
>> improbable, must be the truth."
>> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 1:34 AM, Blair Davis  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>>  Thanks for all the comments...
>>>
>>> I have RB 112,133,230,333,411,433,532 in service.
>>>
>>> I've lost two 532's to on board power supply failure, one 532 to a direct
>>> lighting strike.
>>>
>>> I've lost one 112 to Ethernet port failure, and a 133 to unknown causes
>>>
>>> My 333's, 411's and 433's have been flawless.
>>>
>>> I'm mainly looking for pps differences between the 333 and 433.
>>>
>>>
>>>  Josh Luthman wrote:
>>>
>>> Well the boot times of the 532 are superior to any other routerboard I've
>>> used.  Don't know how that reflects on it's performance in PPS as it could
>>> simply be a faster storage device.
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
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>>>
>>> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
>>> improbable, must be the truth."
>>> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 10:43 PM, Kevin Neal  
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  We have the 333 deployed in a bunch of situations, they work pretty
>>> well for us, but, for the price go for the 433.  532's were ok,
>>> they're old style now and don't have the near the performance of the
>>> 3xx or 4xx boards.
>>>
>>>
>>> -Kevin
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 8:05 PM, Scott Reed 
>>> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>  No hard data, but I have replaced 532 and 532A with 333 and seen better
>>> link performance.  I have replaced 333 with 433 and seen no real
>>> difference.  Replacing 333 with 433AH probably does, but I really don't
>>> have any evidence.
>>>
>>> Blair Davis wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>  anybody got any real world experience of the performance difference
>>> between the RB 333 vs the RB 433?
>>>
>>> The 333 has a 333MHz PowerPC and the 433 has a Atheros AR7130
>>> 300MHz...But which is faster in the real world?
>>>
>>> How about the RB 532A with the MIPS 32 4kc at 266MHz?
>>>
>>> Hard to compare different CPU's by clock speed.
>>>
>>> Blair
>>>
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] OT: Cordless VOIP Phone

[Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net]

Drop in a ATA and plug it into a cheap cordless phone :) 

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> Got a Customer that needs a Cordless VOIP phone for itd retail stores,
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Re: [WISPA] OSPF on RouterOS Vritual AP

[Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net]

Ahh, are you distributing connected routes?  If not, then until 
something connects, won't do anything :)

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Scott Reed wrote:
> Nothing associated on the Virtual. 
> The propagation was back out via the wire interface.
> I would not think it should matter if anything is connected.  The 
> interface is active, it has an address.  That address range should be 
> propagated by OSPF.  I will be at the site tomorrow.  I will connect to 
> the VirtualAP and see if that matters.
>
>
> Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net wrote:
>   
>> Is something connected to the VAP?  Why would it send if its on the 
>> physical unless the other end is connected to the physical ap vs the vap.
>>
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>> Scott Reed wrote:
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>>> Yep, that is what I said in the original post.
>>> Put the IP on the VirtualAP and no route prorogation.
>>> Put it on the physical and it propagates.  So the question is, why does 
>>> the route not propagate from the VirtualAP?  And is that corrected in v3.x?
>>> I assumed the VirtualAP was just like any other interface, put maybe not. 
>>> I may try putting it in a bridge and addressing the bridge to see what 
>>> happens.
>>>
>>> Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net wrote:
>>>   
>>> 
>>>   
>>>> A virtual AP is another interface, so unless its bridged with something 
>>>> else, it will have to have an IP to communicate!
>>>>
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Re: [WISPA] OSPF on RouterOS Vritual AP

[Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net]

Is something connected to the VAP?  Why would it send if its on the 
physical unless the other end is connected to the physical ap vs the vap.

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Scott Reed wrote:
> Yep, that is what I said in the original post.
> Put the IP on the VirtualAP and no route prorogation.
> Put it on the physical and it propagates.  So the question is, why does 
> the route not propagate from the VirtualAP?  And is that corrected in v3.x?
> I assumed the VirtualAP was just like any other interface, put maybe not. 
> I may try putting it in a bridge and addressing the bridge to see what 
> happens.
>
> Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net wrote:
>   
>> A virtual AP is another interface, so unless its bridged with something 
>> else, it will have to have an IP to communicate!
>>
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>> Scott Reed wrote:
>>   
>> 
>>> I have tried to setup OSPF on a Virtual AP in 2.9.49.  I have not found 
>>> a way to get it to forward the route.  As soon as I put the address on 
>>> the physical interface, the route propagates.  Any one know if this can 
>>> be made to work?
>>>
>>> If I upgrade to 3.23 or higher will it work?
>>>
>>>   
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Re: [WISPA] OSPF on RouterOS Vritual AP

[Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net]

A virtual AP is another interface, so unless its bridged with something 
else, it will have to have an IP to communicate!

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Scott Reed wrote:
> I have tried to setup OSPF on a Virtual AP in 2.9.49.  I have not found 
> a way to get it to forward the route.  As soon as I put the address on 
> the physical interface, the route propagates.  Any one know if this can 
> be made to work?
>
> If I upgrade to 3.23 or higher will it work?
>
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[WISPA] POSITION - Network Engineer

[Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net]

Link Technologies, Inc. is expanding and is looking for experienced 
network engineers.  The day to day duties would be assisting customers 
with routing, and Mikrotik RouterOS support.   Training is offered, but 
you must be proficient in TCP/IP, Routing, OSI Model, wireless 
networking, and ports and protocols.  Experience with Mikrotik is a 
must, as well as excellent troubleshooting abilities.

If you wish to apply, please send your resume, along with professional 
references, and salary information to dmburg...@linktechs.net.  This is 
a in-office position, based out of House Springs, MO.  If you have any 
technical details on projects that you have completed please submit them 
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Re: [WISPA] dual ethernte port router

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Nope, can do dynamic in 4 :) 

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Josh Luthman wrote:
> Like 2?  RBs comes with 3 or 4.  The 450 includes the license you need
> for STATIC routing.  Dynamic routing needs 4 I believe.
>
> On 6/26/09, Alan Long  wrote:
>   
>> So what level license will I need just to do routing?
>>
>> 
>> Aerowire
>> Alan Long
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>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
>> Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 10:57 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] dual ethernte port router
>>
>> I've been putting in the 9 port (yeah I know it's more than you want but
>> that gives you more power and memory) MT units.  They are AMAZING.  So
>> far.
>>
>> marlon
>>
>> - Original Message -
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>> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
>> Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 12:59 PM
>> Subject: [WISPA] dual ethernte port router
>>
>>
>> 
>>> Anyone have a suggestion for a dual ethernet port router, that can handle
>>> 30-50mb/s of traffic. I do not need it to do nat or anything like that,
>>> just
>>> need it to route..I have looked at a cisco 2811..but know there are other
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Re: [WISPA] Mesh Network

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What I quoted :)

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Charles Wyble wrote:
> Jerry Richardson wrote:
>   
>> I believe there is still a market for municipal public wifi. I am
>> finding the barrier is the cost of the radios at $1k ea minimum for a
>> true mesh type dual radio system. Anything lower is cost is not true
>> Mesh. Yes, I could put something together using pieces and parts however
>> that's a support nightmare waiting to happen.
>>  
>> If you could have a Mesh Radio designed the way you want, what would it
>> look like?
>>  
>> My wish would look something like this:
>> - Dual radio
>> - Client access on 802.11b/g (optional 4.9 model for Public Safety)
>> - Mesh on 802.11a (open-mesh?) with DFS on 5.2/5.4
>> 
>
> Yep. For me it would be 802.11n for backbone/mesh and client access on 
> 802.11b/g
>
>   
>> - Automatic scan for best channel
>> - Multi-SSID (up to 16 SSID/VLAN sets)
>> - BW allocation per SSID
>> - QoS per VLAN
>> - Encryption
>> - Client Isolation
>> - SNMP v1, v2
>> 
>
> DD-WRT or OpenWRT can give you this.
>
>   
>> - Ping watchdog
>> 
>
> Not sure what this is? A script that runs on the router and reboots if 
> it can't ping?
>
>   
>> - Push/Pull config
>> 
>
> The PTP guys did something for this with openwrt 
> http://www.stephouse.net/files/openwrtprovisioner/openwrtprovisioner.v0.1.tgz 
>
>
>
>   
>> - NAT/DHCP to clients (running as router)
>> - 10/100 Ethernet
>> - Outdoor, ready to hang (not a roll-your-own)
>> - Browser Configurable
>> - POE
>> - Tech support from a manufacturer (not third party support/forums/mail
>> lists)
>> 
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>
> So it would seem UBNT gear with an OpenWRT load would do most of what 
> you want?
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Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Mesh Network

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Can do everything on this, but the cost.  Looks like around $515 in 
single unit pricing.  Shoot me a call if you have questions.

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Jerry Richardson wrote:
> I believe there is still a market for municipal public wifi. I am 
> finding the barrier is the cost of the radios at $1k ea minimum for a 
> true mesh type dual radio system. Anything lower is cost is not true 
> Mesh. Yes, I could put something together using pieces and parts 
> however that's a support nightmare waiting to happen.
>  
> If you could have a Mesh Radio designed the way you want, what would 
> it look like?
>  
> My wish would look something like this:
> - Dual radio
> - Client access on 802.11b/g (optional 4.9 model for Public Safety)
> - Mesh on 802.11a (open-mesh?) with DFS on 5.2/5.4
> - Automatic scan for best channel
> - Multi-SSID (up to 16 SSID/VLAN sets)
> - BW allocation per SSID
> - QoS per VLAN
> - Encryption
> - Client Isolation
> - SNMP v1, v2
> - Ping watchdog
> - Push/Pull config
> - NAT/DHCP to clients (running as router)
> - 10/100 Ethernet
> - Outdoor, ready to hang (not a roll-your-own)
> - Browser Configurable
> - POE
> - Tech support from a manufacturer (not third party 
> support/forums/mail lists)
> - FCC certified as a system
> - Cost <350.00
>  
> Let me know what you would like to see as I am working with a 
> manufacturer to develop this or something very close to it.
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Re: [WISPA] Suggestions on Firewall

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Agreed.  MT is a high quality product, and looks nice in a rack.
 

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Josh Luthman wrote:
> Typically if you're protecting it versus someone who knows what they're
> doing it's the software that's open (pop/imap/smtp/web/etc) that becomes the
> vulnerability, not the network.
>
> If it were me, I would use MikroTik.  If there is a break I can troubleshoot
> it 100x faster and easier with MT then anything else.
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>
> On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Patrick D.. Nix, Jr <
> pni...@cnetworksolutions.com> wrote:
>
>   
>> Yes, I use mikrotik for end user protection and routing but I'm not sure
>> that will fit the bill here.  I think I may need more of a corporate
>> type solution.  I've used Watchguard and cisco products in the past but
>> I thought maybe I could save some $$ and go with a linux homebrew
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
>> Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 10:44 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions on Firewall
>>
>> Maybe you could provide more detail as to your application.
>>
>> In most situations I agree with Gino, MikroTik.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
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>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
>> improbable, must be the truth."
>> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Gino Villarini 
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>> Mikrotik
>>>
>>>
>>> Gino A. Villarini
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>>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>>> tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>>>   
>> On
>> 
>>> Behalf Of Patrick D.. Nix, Jr
>>> Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 11:30 AM
>>> To: wireless@wispa.org
>>> Subject: [WISPA] Suggestions on Firewall
>>>
>>> Any suggestions on a good linux firewall distro.  I'm looking at
>>>   
>> either
>> 
>>> implementing this or going with an older Cisco PIX 525.  Which would
>>>   
>> be
>> 
>>> the best way to go?  Something with a nice GUI would be good
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Indoor fdx link antennas

[Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net]

We have some dual-pol integrated units. 

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Tom DeReggi wrote:
> Acutally the Dual Pol brand is Poynting, and back enclosure is included.
>
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
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>
> - Original Message - 
> From: 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 11:55 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Indoor fdx link antennas
>
>
>   
>> You won't find dual pol smaller than 2'
>>
>> If you do I would like to see it
>>
>> -B-
>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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>> -Original Message-
>> From: Josh Luthman 
>>
>> Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 11:42:21
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: [WISPA] Indoor fdx link antennas
>>
>>
>> I would like to use MikroTik to create a fdx link that's going across a
>> stadium (that's a bit more then 100 yards).  I'm thinking about looking 
>> for
>> some small dual pol antennas best case or the ARC ones worst case (as
>> they're monstrous).
>>
>> I'll probably end up using the Compex wlm54ag at 5ghz cards and a 433ah.
>>
>> There will be voice and video traffic across this link, which is why I'd
>> prefer to do fdx.
>>
>> Can anyone suggest a better alternative?  Anyone know of some good 
>> antennas
>> for this?
>>
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>> Direct: 937-552-2343
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Re: [WISPA] Indoor fdx link antennas

[Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net]

Yep..

Dual r52N cards in a Dual-Pol Arc Enclosure.  We can build, test and 
even put a base configuration on it for you if you wish.  Just plug them 
in and aim them at each other :) 

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Josh Luthman wrote:
> I would like to use MikroTik to create a fdx link that's going across a
> stadium (that's a bit more then 100 yards).  I'm thinking about looking for
> some small dual pol antennas best case or the ARC ones worst case (as
> they're monstrous).
>
> I'll probably end up using the Compex wlm54ag at 5ghz cards and a 433ah.
>
> There will be voice and video traffic across this link, which is why I'd
> prefer to do fdx.
>
> Can anyone suggest a better alternative?  Anyone know of some good antennas
> for this?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
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Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?

[Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net]

Routed is the way to go. Think of this, the internet is routed, why 
should you not be..

I support hundreds of networks running RouterOS most with dynamic 
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Paolo Di Francesco wrote:
> just coming back to the original topic:
>
> is everybody using routed backbone or somebody is playing with the
> switched/mpls thing? :)
>
> Thank you
>   
>> Dear All
>>
>> I am wondering how many switches can be put together in a bridged
>> environment (via radio-bridges) with the Rapid STP. Just curious because
>> I did not find anywhere the maximum number and wondering if the backbone
>> collapse after 10 or 100 or 1000 switches.
>> Also wondering what do you advice, I know that not all the switches are
>> the same... (thinking about HP for this application)
>>
>> Thank you in advance.
>>
>>
>> 
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Re: [WISPA] Really Simple Mikrotik shaping?

[Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net]

then down yes, up no.  The Nanos, you can use pCQ to do a default rate 
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Cameron Kilton wrote:
> We are using MT AP's with Nanostation SU.
>
> -Cam
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Gerard Dupont III
> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 5:52 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Really Simple Mikrotik shaping?
>
> If you are using Mikrotik for both AP's and CPE's, you can use the 
> Default AP/Client Tx Rate settings under the wireless tab on your 
> wireless interface properties.
>
> If you're not using Mikrotik clients it will only be able to control the
>
> AP Tx(client download) speeds.
>
> If you add the customers to the access list you can override these 
> default settings.
>
> -Gerard
>
> Cameron Kilton wrote:
>   
>> Is there a way to limit the bandwidth by the user registration table. 
>>
>> Example: All users in registration table get x download and x upload
>> unless other changed manually.
>>
>> Is this possible? I've been wanting something like this as well. 
>>
>> -Cameron
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>> 
> On
>   
>> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
>> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 5:35 PM
>> To: dmburg...@linktechs.net; WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Really Simple Mikrotik shaping?
>>
>> Or radius and a pppoe client.
>>
>> On 1/19/09, Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> You can use Radius and MAC authencation to deliver up and down bw at
>>>   
>> the
>> 
>>> AP/CPE ...  Need to have a MT client though.
>>>
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>>> David E. Smith wrote:
>>>   
>>>> A lot of the more expensive radios out there let you do bandwidth
>>>> throttling by device - instead of throttling by IP address, or
>>>> 
> device
>   
>>>> MAC (because you could have several MACs behind one radio), you
>>>> 
>> simply
>> 
>>>> say "this radio gets X down/Y up" and you're done.
>>>>
>>>> Is there a simple way to do this with Mikrotik RouterOS? I know you
>>>> 
>> can
>> 
>>>> shape by IP address, and I suppose I could get fancy with packet
>>>> 
>> marks
>> 
>>>> or something, but I'm trying to keep the configuration as simple as
>>>> possible. (If it's something that also can be set via RADIUS, that'd
>>>> 
>> be
>> 
>>>> even better, as I hope someday to be able to automate more things
>>>> 
>> like
>> 
>>>> this.)
>>>>
>>>> David Smith
>>>> MVN.net
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Really Simple Mikrotik shaping?

[Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net]

With MT clients, yes this is possible.  If you have a simple subnet you 
can do PCQ as well in in your queues if you wish too. 

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Cameron Kilton wrote:
> Is there a way to limit the bandwidth by the user registration table. 
>
> Example: All users in registration table get x download and x upload
> unless other changed manually.
>
> Is this possible? I've been wanting something like this as well. 
>
> -Cameron
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 5:35 PM
> To: dmburg...@linktechs.net; WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Really Simple Mikrotik shaping?
>
> Or radius and a pppoe client.
>
> On 1/19/09, Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net 
> wrote:
>   
>> You can use Radius and MAC authencation to deliver up and down bw at
>> 
> the
>   
>> AP/CPE ...  Need to have a MT client though.
>>
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>>
>> David E. Smith wrote:
>> 
>>> A lot of the more expensive radios out there let you do bandwidth
>>> throttling by device - instead of throttling by IP address, or device
>>> MAC (because you could have several MACs behind one radio), you
>>>   
> simply
>   
>>> say "this radio gets X down/Y up" and you're done.
>>>
>>> Is there a simple way to do this with Mikrotik RouterOS? I know you
>>>   
> can
>   
>>> shape by IP address, and I suppose I could get fancy with packet
>>>   
> marks
>   
>>> or something, but I'm trying to keep the configuration as simple as
>>> possible. (If it's something that also can be set via RADIUS, that'd
>>>   
> be
>   
>>> even better, as I hope someday to be able to automate more things
>>>   
> like
>   
>>> this.)
>>>
>>> David Smith
>>> MVN.net
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Really Simple Mikrotik shaping?

[Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net]

You can use Radius and MAC authencation to deliver up and down bw at the 
AP/CPE ...  Need to have a MT client though.

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David E. Smith wrote:
> A lot of the more expensive radios out there let you do bandwidth 
> throttling by device - instead of throttling by IP address, or device 
> MAC (because you could have several MACs behind one radio), you simply 
> say "this radio gets X down/Y up" and you're done.
>
> Is there a simple way to do this with Mikrotik RouterOS? I know you can 
> shape by IP address, and I suppose I could get fancy with packet marks 
> or something, but I'm trying to keep the configuration as simple as 
> possible. (If it's something that also can be set via RADIUS, that'd be 
> even better, as I hope someday to be able to automate more things like 
> this.)
>
> David Smith
> MVN.net
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Re: [WISPA] Ligowave 3.65 Experience?

[Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net]

We have done some MT 3.75 links :)   Sorry no ligowave.

Simply put its better than 5 gig if there is lots of interference, but 
no better than 2.4 when it comes to LoS.

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Gino Villarini wrote:
> Anyone has deployed this units?
>  
>
> Gino A. Villarini 
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Re: [WISPA] Filtering SMTP

[Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net]

If you wish all of your mail to come from that.

We typically just restrict outbound SMTP to either pop/imap first, or an 
open list.

But of course, they need to have their own IP to not poison yours.

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Gino Villarini wrote:
> ok, We use a Barracuda in Outbound mode as an SMTP server, 
>  
> would it be logical to NAT all our internal traffic with destination 25
> to the Barracuda?
>  
> Would this break any Business Customer with static ips and valid smtp
> servers?
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Re: [WISPA] Imail Server Upgrade Trouble

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Speaking of mail servers, anyone have any luck getting imap push 
technology to work?

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> There is a tool in the imail folder I be damned if I recall the name of it 
> but it is to convert from old mailbox format to new format. It might do the 
> trick. Unfortunately I'm driving so can check for you. I found out about it 
> when I converted from Imail to SmarterMail. Which btw might be a product you 
> might want to check out. To purchase it is almost cheaper then your yearly 
> Imail maintenance agreement plus much better feature and have a webmail 
> system that allow users to control to some degree their own spam settings and 
> have good enterprise capabilities including blackberry calendar and contacts 
> sync and easy shared contacts and calendar. Imail webmail does NOT handle 
> mailboxes with some special characters that you might have created through 
> imap. When you log in it just sits there until it finally times out. We been 
> plagued by this for a long time and they never fixed it. 
> Also SmarterMail comes at no additional charge with good/better spam 
> filtering and virus screening and you can use a Linux box with spamassassin 
> to assist with spam filtering. 
>
> If you can not find the tool then check on smartermail how to  convert from 
> Imail to SmarterMail it's in the instructions. 
>
> /Eje
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> We upgraded our Imail server this morning from version 8.15 to the latest
> release of Imail version 10. In the process our web interface has decided to
> ignore our mailboxes. If anyone out there has some experience with
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Re: [WISPA] 5.8GHz Backhaul Radio Recommendations

[Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net]

yep, anything more than -40 is BAD.  better tests are around -55 or so..

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Jack Unger wrote:
> David,
>
> Just for info here but it's possible that your signals were so loud 
> that the receivers were being overloaded. That drives them bananas...
>
> jack
>
>
> David E. Smith wrote:
>> Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net wrote:
>>   
>>> Yes you have to have a good processor, it does compression.  I also 
>>> believe it does MPPP as well, and larger frame sizes as well to get 
>>> higher speeds.  Hence, processor usage is key.
>>> 
>>
>> When I was testing this - pretty informally, two radios set on the floor 
>> of the office about a hundred feet apart - the speeds weren't that much 
>> higher, and the latency was all weird. The RF link was pretty good (I 
>> think there was 40-some-odd points of SNR), and when I used them in 
>> regular AP/bridge mode, or basic WDS, I actually got better performance 
>> than when I enabled polling and Nstreme and all the other Mikrotik 
>> proprietary magic checkboxes.
>>
>> The throughput was pretty comparable, but when the link was even lightly 
>> loaded, pings went bananas. Instead of being consistent, some would be 
>> 3ms, some would be 100ms. I figured that was because my little ping 
>> packets were being bundled up with other packets, then transmitted when 
>> it was most efficient for the radio, as opposed to being sent on-demand.
>>
>> First, is that pretty close to accurate? Second, in the real world, when 
>> you're trying to do something like VOIP or gaming that's sensitive to 
>> latency, how noticeable is it?
>>
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Re: [WISPA] 5.8GHz Backhaul Radio Recommendations

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With that inside like that, you can get reflections etc.  It does the 
compression and M3P I'm sure as well.  It should not incraase the 
latency that much and should not "fluctuate" like that normally.

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David E. Smith wrote:
> Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net wrote:
>   
>> Yes you have to have a good processor, it does compression.  I also 
>> believe it does MPPP as well, and larger frame sizes as well to get 
>> higher speeds.  Hence, processor usage is key.
>> 
>
> When I was testing this - pretty informally, two radios set on the floor 
> of the office about a hundred feet apart - the speeds weren't that much 
> higher, and the latency was all weird. The RF link was pretty good (I 
> think there was 40-some-odd points of SNR), and when I used them in 
> regular AP/bridge mode, or basic WDS, I actually got better performance 
> than when I enabled polling and Nstreme and all the other Mikrotik 
> proprietary magic checkboxes.
>
> The throughput was pretty comparable, but when the link was even lightly 
> loaded, pings went bananas. Instead of being consistent, some would be 
> 3ms, some would be 100ms. I figured that was because my little ping 
> packets were being bundled up with other packets, then transmitted when 
> it was most efficient for the radio, as opposed to being sent on-demand.
>
> First, is that pretty close to accurate? Second, in the real world, when 
> you're trying to do something like VOIP or gaming that's sensitive to 
> latency, how noticeable is it?
>
> David Smith
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Re: [WISPA] 5.8GHz Backhaul Radio Recommendations

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Yes you have to have a good processor, it does compression.  I also 
believe it does MPPP as well, and larger frame sizes as well to get 
higher speeds.  Hence, processor usage is key.

MT is a router, why bridge! :)  never really needed to do WDS with 
N-stream etc.  Its also a polling system and you can disable CSMA as well.


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Tom DeReggi wrote:
> Yes, Nstreme can add significant speed, depending on the situation, It 
> should be noted that...
>
> 1. Nstreme performs slower if the Radios do not have fast enough processors. 
> For example, we found the old RB532s 233Mhz, NOT fast enough proc.
> 2. Nstreme works great (fast) on the newer faster boards, such as 433AH and 
> 600Series.
> 3. Nstreme is not compatible to be used for all configurations. I forget the 
> exact details, but when we were trying to use WDS and VLANs, to immulate a 
> transparent bridge (VLAN switch) in a PTMP design (to connect a group of 4 
> tenant buildings, 1 acting as AP, and 3 acting as Stations), Nstreme had to 
> be disabled, for it to work. That was pre-2.29 version. I do not know, how 
> it is now with > v3.x
> 4. Nstreme2 is its way to use two channels togeather. Which works optimal 
> provided have adequate channel seperation (> 80mhz). Its good alternative to 
> do it in multi-band, when a single 40mhz wide channel is not available.
> 5. It requires access to both sides of the link to configure for NStreme.
>
> But I bet Dennis, would have all the answers of how to optimize usage of 
> Nstreme.
>
> Tom DeReggi
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>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 11:11 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.8GHz Backhaul Radio Recommendations
>
>
>   
>> Like I said, if you just need data, then MT can't be beat on this.  lets
>> see, 30-40 meg throughput in most cases, if he gets good signals, super
>> low latency, usually 1-2ms if that, warrantied product, and FCC
>> certification ;)
>>
>> Heck, just the boxes with POEs, ethernet surge and new 6gig Coax
>> Arresters would be under  $650 including both sides!
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>> 3-dB Networks wrote:
>> 
>>> Well I have always been really happy with the Motorola PtP series radios
>>> (maybe a PtP 300 for this link).
>>>
>>> It all depends on what you need... T-1 transport, how much data 
>>> throughput,
>>> channel size, latency, noise immunity, warranties, fcc compliance, etc.
>>>
>>> That part number is for a single pol dish though... so to use a PtP 300 
>>> you
>>> would want to swap out the feedhorn for the dual pol feedhorn...
>>>
>>> Daniel White
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>>> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>>>
>>>
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>>> Behalf Of Pat O'Connor
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 6:40 PM
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>>> Subject: [WISPA] 5.8GHz Backhaul Radio Recommendations
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Andrews Antenna P3F-52-NXA
>>>
>>> 5.8GHz backhaul radio died today because of a power surge.  Old Proxim
>>> gear, 2 x T1.  I wanted some feedback from vendors/users of what they
>>> are using.  I need to keep it under $5K if possible.
>>>
>>> Link distance: 8.3 miles
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] 5.8GHz Backhaul Radio Recommendations

[Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net]

Like I said, if you just need data, then MT can't be beat on this.  lets 
see, 30-40 meg throughput in most cases, if he gets good signals, super 
low latency, usually 1-2ms if that, warrantied product, and FCC 
certification ;)

Heck, just the boxes with POEs, ethernet surge and new 6gig Coax 
Arresters would be under  $650 including both sides! 

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3-dB Networks wrote:
> Well I have always been really happy with the Motorola PtP series radios
> (maybe a PtP 300 for this link).
>
> It all depends on what you need... T-1 transport, how much data throughput,
> channel size, latency, noise immunity, warranties, fcc compliance, etc.
>
> That part number is for a single pol dish though... so to use a PtP 300 you
> would want to swap out the feedhorn for the dual pol feedhorn...
>
> Daniel White
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> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Pat O'Connor
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> Subject: [WISPA] 5.8GHz Backhaul Radio Recommendations
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>
>
> Andrews Antenna P3F-52-NXA
>
> 5.8GHz backhaul radio died today because of a power surge.  Old Proxim 
> gear, 2 x T1.  I wanted some feedback from vendors/users of what they 
> are using.  I need to keep it under $5K if possible.
>
> Link distance: 8.3 miles
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> Antennas: Andrews P3F-52-NXA
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Re: [WISPA] 5.8GHz Backhaul Radio Recommendations

[Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net]

second this!!   :)  So far seeing good results as well with the new R5Hs 
and N-Stream too ;) 

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Blair Davis wrote:
> A pair of Mikrotiks, radio cards and all, under $1K and you should be 
> able to do 20Mbit.
>
> Pat O'Connor wrote:
>> Andrews Antenna P3F-52-NXA
>>
>> 5.8GHz backhaul radio died today because of a power surge.  Old Proxim 
>> gear, 2 x T1.  I wanted some feedback from vendors/users of what they 
>> are using.  I need to keep it under $5K if possible.
>>
>> Link distance: 8.3 miles
>>
>> Antennas: Andrews P3F-52-NXA
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Re: [WISPA] 1and1.com

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I don't outsource this, but I do host it on the Virtual servers we 
sell.  The key is we can log into the server and do whatever, including 
getting messages like this etc.  e-mail is cheap, its simple to support 
and just runs for the most part.  Its that stupid hardware problem that 
kills ya! 

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Mike Hammett wrote:
> That would most likely only retrieve items in the Inbox.
>
>
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> Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 9:38 AM
> To: ; "WISPA General List" 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 1and1.com
>
>   
>> Is it possible to log into the same account using POP settings and
>> retrieve the mail that way?
>> Jay
>>
>> On Jan 9, 2009, at 9:29 AM, Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net wrote:
>>
>> 
>>> I have a number of customers that switched from them because of this
>>> reason.  Just no one there.
>>>
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>>> Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
>>>   
>>>> Anyone have a good contact at 1and1.com of someone who can actually
>>>> help
>>>> me.
>>>>
>>>> I moved 125 very important messages in my imap account from one
>>>> folder
>>>> to another and their mail server ate them.  They tell me they can't
>>>> help
>>>> because I use thunderbird.there has to be a backup to that
>>>> imap
>>>> account somewhere.  I just need to get a hold of someone who will
>>>> help me.
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Re: [WISPA] 1and1.com

[Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net]

I have a number of customers that switched from them because of this 
reason.  Just no one there. 

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> Anyone have a good contact at 1and1.com of someone who can actually help 
> me.
>
> I moved 125 very important messages in my imap account from one folder 
> to another and their mail server ate them.  They tell me they can't help 
> because I use thunderbird.there has to be a backup to that imap 
> account somewhere.  I just need to get a hold of someone who will help me.
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Re: [WISPA] FM radio station site strangeness

[Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net]

We had a site with a 1000 watt AM Hotstick about 100 feet from another 
tower.  We ran the cable (non-shielded outdoor rated) and crimped the 
end at the top of the tower.  The installer all of a sudden, felt a 
burning sensation on his thumb with that wonderful smell of burning 
skin.  Guess what, he was holding the end of the cat5, not plugged into 
anything, just ran up the tower!  Sure enough, nice little burn marks 
right where the copper pins on the cat5 was! 

Put in a few ferrite beads, never looked back.  fun stuff to say the 
least.  ON a side note, we are at 400 foot on a 1400 foot FM tower 
transmitting at 100,000 watts at the top.  We ran Power up, but have a 
440 foot non-poe cat5 down, and don't have any issues! lol

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Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I think we finally have this all figured out.  Now I just have to figure out 
> how to fix it.
>
> We've been up there for over 6 years now.  It's certainly been a problematic 
> site though.  Constant channel changes (we have 3 competitors a mile away 
> and pick up hundreds of ap's from in town) are the norm.
>
> This fall (a month or two ago) one of the tenants left the building.  This 
> cleared out most of the hardware that was in there.  A little bit before 
> that I replaced an Inscape Data and a smartBridges combo with a single MT 
> access point, using one of the cables that had been working for one of the 
> other two.
>
> About a week ago things started to really act up.  Multiple devices were 
> having trouble.  I was able to catch it in the act finally.  This time the 
> problem wasn't a wireless issue, the devices were constantly disconnecting 
> and reconnecting at the switch level.
>
> I pulled the Cisco switch out and dropped in a Netgear unit.  That didn't 
> fix it.  Next I put in a Digital Loggers rack mount reboot device.  That 
> wouldn't connect right either.
>
> I finally had to pull all of the hardware off of the shelf and set most of 
> it on the floor (or just let it hang there) to get it working at all well. 
> Still not perfect but better.
>
> I had by now hiked up there through sometimes knee deep snow 3 or 4 times. 
> Next I took a motorbike with studded snow tires up and got permission to 
> turn down the power to the radio station.  That didn't fix the problem 
> either.
>
> Next I borrowed a snowmobile and hauled some help and my spectrum analyzer 
> up.  I was unable to see any signals that didn't belong.
>
> Next day, another hike up the hill.
>
> OK, maybe a cat 5 cable went bad and I'm getting backfeed through the 
> switch.  DC current or something.  So I started testing the cables that run 
> to the most problematic units.  Well now, look at that.  Bad cable.  In fact 
> there are three of them.  Hmmm, kinda strange though.  All three have the 
> exact same fault!  Oh well, better change them out anyway.  I ran three new 
> cable runs and just for kicks I tested one of them.  What the heck?  The 
> new cable has the EXACT same fault as the old one!  Even though it didn't 
> follow the exact same path as the old cables.
>
> Man, this is sure looking like a problem caused by the radio station.  I was 
> using indoor cat5 and didn't run lightning protection or ground anything. 
> Yeah I know, but remember that this has been there for a very long time like 
> this.  And as a guy with an electrical background I know that there are 
> actually two ways to deal with stray electrical.  Grounding is one. 
> Insulating is another  Anyway, I know it wasn't built to specs.
>
> I added some grounding and that didn't help at all.
>
> Yesterday I finally had one of the local wireless companies (Day Wireless) 
> that mainly does VHF radios, backhaul etc.  They also checked things with 
> the spectrum analyzer but couldn't find anything amiss.  I was able to 
> duplicate the wiring fault for them (with my Ideal tester).  But suddenly 
> everything cleared right up!  Stuff was looking good, no cable fault etc. 
> Pings were looking good, devices were finally negotiating the connections 
> right etc.
>
> I called the radio station to ask if I could try turning the power down 
> again to see if we see any change on the spectrum analyzer.  They said they 
> thought that I'd already done that because the showed the power was way 
> down.  Turns out someone in the building had bumped a breaker and shut down 
> part of the transmitter!  Well, we got all of that figured out and guess 
> what.  All of the problems came right back!  I then turned the power back 
> down and they cleared up.
>
> Tip for you guys, dropp

Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

[Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net]

Not to say thats not right.  The whole point of the Darwin awards was 
that the people who died have died in the most stupidest way, that they 
did the entire human population a favor by eliminating themselves from 
the gene pool.  There is a movie even on it.Like the guy who 
strapped a Jato Rocket to his Chevy, the guy who was so cheap, he got 
his hand stuck in the soda machine and while trying to free it, it feel 
over on him.  ETC.  Its on netflix instant streaming. 

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George Rogato wrote:
> Very sad indeed.
> I don't think they should be giving awards away for incidents when 
> people die at work. Even if the person made a mistake like that.
> It was not funny to me at all.
>
> But some have a weird sense of humor.
> Me, I see no humor in a death or falling off a tower
>
>
> Blair Davis wrote:
>   
>> Tower accident...
>>
>> http://www.darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin2008-20.html
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Re: [WISPA] Postage

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Something else you can do is use a printing co.  There should be one 
local to you.  They should be able to print, stuff and qualify for 
"bulk" rates.

Something else we did, we had 220 people in my subdivision, it was 92 
bucks for postage, plus envelopes, plus printing, plus paper etc.  
(non-profit subdivision here).  We had a printer sent out "cards" with 
the yearly dues on them, for less than 15 cents a piece including 
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> Hi,
>
> I'm curious what everyone else is using for sending USPS letters and 
> packages? We've had a nice postage machine (seals, stamps, etc.) that 
> does our envelopes each month (about 1,500 per month). However, I'm 
> getting tired of these companies (Neopost) charging $200 for a software 
> update because the post office changes their pricing.
>
> What is anyone else doing? We send about 1,500 envelopes on the 20th of 
> each month, and then only a couple a day the other days.
>
> thanks,
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Re: [WISPA] ptmp gear

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just 2.4 on the crossroads.  They have 5.8 gig systems that are 
certified.  Just not 5.2/5.4 as of yet.

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Dimitrios Sidiropoulos wrote:
> Josh,
>
>   
>>>> Are there FCC certificed cards to run at 5.2/5.4 with MT?
>>>> 
>
>   
>>> Dennis - I already beat you to the punch.  Don't steal my glory :)
>>>
>>> The crossroads is FCC certified.
>>>   
>
> Is there a 5.2/5.4 crossroads ?
>
> I am only aware of the 2.4 one !
>
> Thank you
> Dimitri
>
>   
>>> On 12/31/08, Jerry Richardson  wrote:
>>>   
>>>> Are there FCC certificed cards to run at 5.2/5.4 with MT?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ______
>>>> Jerry Richardson
>>>> airCloud Communications
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>>>> 
>>> On
>>>   
>>>> Behalf Of Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 11:39 AM
>>>> To: WISPA General List
>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] ptmp gear
>>>>
>>>> Mikrotik! :)
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>>>> Alan Long wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I am looking for a ptmp(ap/cpe) solution, 5.2/5.4/5.8 ghz, need to be
>>>>>   
>>>> able
>>>> 
>>>>> to support about 25 feeds into several ap's. Need it to be cheap, but
>>>>> work..Will have complete los and the longest link will be .25 miles.
>>>>>   
>>>> Trying
>>>> 
>>>>> to link 25 buildings in a multi housing setup. Thanks for any help.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  <http://www.aerowire.net>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Alan Long
>>>>> Director of Network Operations
>>>>>
>>>>> Aerowire
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>   
>>>> <http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmap&addr=687+North+Dean+Road&csz=
>>>> Aubu
>>>> 
>>>>> rn%2C+AL+36830&country=us> 687 North Dean Road
>>>>> Auburn, AL 36830
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  <mailto:alan.l...@aerowire.net> alan.l...@aerowire.net
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> tel:
>>>>> mobile:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>   
>>>> <http://www.plaxo.com/click_to_call?lang=en&src=jj_signature&To=33427599
>>>> 98&E
>>>> 
>>>>> mail=along5...@yahoo.com> 3342759998
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>   
>>>> <http://www.plaxo.com/click_to_call?lang=en&src=jj_signature&To=3360
>>>> 92&E
>>>> 
>>>>> mail=along5...@yahoo.com> 336092
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>   
>>>> <https://www.plaxo.com/add_me?u=30065206883&src=client_sig_212_1_card_jo
>>>> in&i
>>>> 
>>>>> nvite=1<=en> Always have my latest info

Re: [WISPA] ptmp gear

[Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net]

Might be simpler to say, a Routerboard 411, with an integrated radio 
card that does 2.4 only.  Fully FCC certified. 

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John Scrivner wrote:
> What is the "crossroads" radio platform? I have never heard of it. Any link
> to information about it is appreciated.
> Thank you,
> John Scrivner
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 2:32 PM, Josh Luthman
> wrote:
>
>   
>> Dennis - I already beat you to the punch.  Don't steal my glory :)
>>
>> The crossroads is FCC certified.
>>
>> On 12/31/08, Jerry Richardson  wrote:
>> 
>>> Are there FCC certificed cards to run at 5.2/5.4 with MT?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> __
>>> Jerry Richardson
>>> airCloud Communications
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 11:39 AM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] ptmp gear
>>>
>>> Mikrotik! :)
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>> Alan Long wrote:
>>>   
>>>> I am looking for a ptmp(ap/cpe) solution, 5.2/5.4/5.8 ghz, need to be
>>>> 
>>> able
>>>   
>>>> to support about 25 feeds into several ap's. Need it to be cheap, but
>>>> work..Will have complete los and the longest link will be .25 miles.
>>>> 
>>> Trying
>>>   
>>>> to link 25 buildings in a multi housing setup. Thanks for any help.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  <http://www.aerowire.net>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Alan Long
>>>> Director of Network Operations
>>>>
>>>> Aerowire
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 
>>> <http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmap&addr=687+North+Dean+Road&csz=
>>> Aubu
>>>   
>>>> rn%2C+AL+36830&country=us> 687 North Dean Road
>>>> Auburn, AL 36830
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  <mailto:alan.l...@aerowire.net> alan.l...@aerowire.net
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> tel:
>>>> mobile:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 
>>> <http://www.plaxo.com/click_to_call?lang=en&src=jj_signature&To=33427599
>>> 98&E
>>>   
>>>> mail=along5...@yahoo.com> 3342759998
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 
>>> <http://www.plaxo.com/click_to_call?lang=en&src=jj_signature&To=3360
>>> 92&E
>>>   
>>>> mail=along5...@yahoo.com> 336092
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 
>>> <https://www.plaxo.com/add_me?u=30065206883&src=client_sig_212_1_card_jo
>>> in&i
>>>   
>>>> nvite=1<=en> Always have my latest info
>>>>
>>>>  <http://www.plaxo.com/signature?src=client_sig_212_1_card_sig<=en>
>>>> 
>>> Want a
>>>   
>>>> signature like this?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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Re: [WISPA] ptmp gear

[Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net]

Mikrotik! :) 

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Alan Long wrote:
> I am looking for a ptmp(ap/cpe) solution, 5.2/5.4/5.8 ghz, need to be able
> to support about 25 feeds into several ap's. Need it to be cheap, but
> work..Will have complete los and the longest link will be .25 miles. Trying
> to link 25 buildings in a multi housing setup. Thanks for any help.
>
>  
>
>
>
>
>
>   
>
>  
>
>  
>
>
>
> Alan Long
> Director of Network Operations 
>
> Aerowire
>  
>  rn%2C+AL+36830&country=us> 687 North Dean Road
> Auburn, AL 36830 
>
>
>   alan.l...@aerowire.net 
>
>
> tel: 
> mobile: 
>
>  
>  mail=along5...@yahoo.com> 3342759998
>  
>  mail=along5...@yahoo.com> 336092 
>
>  
>
>
>
>  
>  nvite=1<=en> Always have my latest info
>
>   Want a
> signature like this?
>
>  
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] What happened to my RooTenna?

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too bad its not grounding the unit. 

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Mac Dearman wrote:
> Mike,
>
>
>Looks like that thing gave birth to an alien!! - hehehe (been watching
> SciFi)
>
> Where do you get those little plastic standoffs that hold your MB off the
> aluminum backing plate? That looks nice!
>
> Later,
> Mac
>
>
>
>
>   
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
>> Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 2:50 PM
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>> Subject: [WISPA] What happened to my RooTenna?
>>
>> http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=56132&l=8ad46&id=517748044
>>
>> I'll post a couple more pictures once I get them from the customer, but
>> I went over to look at their CPE today because their service was down.
>> It looks like someone ran it over with a Mack truck, only it is on a
>> roof of a large building (used to be indoor RC race track).  How the
>> heck could this have happened?
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
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>> http://www.ics-il.com
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Re: [WISPA] What happened to my RooTenna?

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looks like it fell off! 

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Tom DeReggi wrote:
> Sure the venue hasn't changed to a RC Airplane race track :-)  Looks like it 
> got hit by a minature 747. :-)
>
> Only answer I could fathom is Vandalism.  Most likely, the first outage may 
> not have occurred at the time of first dmaage. Very possible, it was a night 
> vandal, and it just took a while for the wind to finish the job, to the 
> exposed radio.
>
> Alternatively, a low flying Crow having a head on colission. Any feathers at 
> the seen, as evidence :-)
>
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Mike Hammett" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 3:50 PM
> Subject: [WISPA] What happened to my RooTenna?
>
>
>   
>> http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=56132&l=8ad46&id=517748044
>>
>> I'll post a couple more pictures once I get them from the customer, but I 
>> went over to look at their CPE today because their service was down.  It 
>> looks like someone ran it over with a Mack truck, only it is on a roof of 
>> a large building (used to be indoor RC race track).  How the heck could 
>> this have happened?
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
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>> http://www.ics-il.com
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Re: [WISPA] cisco switch help

[Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net]

No biggy.  Shoot us a call anytime!

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Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
> Thanks Dennis!  You are my hero!
> marlon
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 8:43 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] cisco switch help
>
>
>   
>> Did you setup the port you are on, to the right VLAN, or configure your
>> NIC on your laptop for that VLAN?
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>> Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> I need some help getting an ip address onto a Catalyst 2950 switch.  I 
>>> have
>>> the ip assigned to a vlan port but can't get to it via my laptop
>>>
>>> Give me a call at 509.982.2181 or shoot me a number that I can call 
>>> please.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
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Re: [WISPA] cisco switch help

[Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net]

Did you setup the port you are on, to the right VLAN, or configure your 
NIC on your laptop for that VLAN? 

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> Hi All,
>
> I need some help getting an ip address onto a Catalyst 2950 switch.  I have 
> the ip assigned to a vlan port but can't get to it via my laptop
>
> Give me a call at 509.982.2181 or shoot me a number that I can call please.
>
> Thanks,
> marlon
>
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Re: [WISPA] Canopy NMS

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Dude :)

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Travis Johnson wrote:
> Hi,
>
> What are people using to monitor their Canopy wireless networks? I know 
> there is Prizm (which we are currently testing), but I am wondering what 
> else is available?
> thanks,
>
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[WISPA] This thing still working?

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Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo Disconnects was: tranzeo's web site?

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Might be a difference of reading the RFCs.  I.e. the RFCs are not clear 
enough as two people may be able to form their own interpretation too.  

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Tom DeReggi wrote:
> I'm not sure that it was confirmed a Tranzeo issue.
> Tranzeo was however very helpful to define the cause.
> And Mikrotik did fix the problem.
>
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
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>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "John Scrivner" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 11:29 AM
> Subject: [WISPA] Tranzeo Disconnects was: tranzeo's web site?
>
>
>   
>> Mikrotik sent out a very public announcement that they had fully 
>> researched
>> the issues with Tranzeo client radios staying connected to Mikrotik APs. 
>> As
>> a courtesy to their customers who use Tranzeo clients Mikrotik wrote a 
>> code
>> modification into their AP code which could be used to enable more 
>> reliable
>> connections with Trnazeo radios. Mikrotik stated that the trouble was that
>> Tranzeo radios were not following the RFCs. Tranzeo would apparently not
>> address the issue. The fact that Mikrotik did create a solution to an
>> apparent Tranzeo problem should not lead anyone to assume that this was a
>> Mikrotik problem at all. I never saw any piblic response from Tranzeo
>> relating to this issue.
>> Scriv
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 10:00 AM, Josh Luthman
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>> Thanks for clarifying that.  I have read time and time again the devices
>>> would reboot (power cycle, not just reassociate!)
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
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>>> --- Henry Spencer
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 10:45 AM, Marlon K. Schafer >>   
 wrote:
 
 But they didn't reboot.  It was simply a disconnect reconnect.

 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: "Josh Luthman" 
 To: "WISPA General List" 
 Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 9:55 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] tranzeo's web site?


 
> Tranzeo followed the RFC by rebooting with whatever frame it was 
> sent,
> as I recall.
>
> On 12/24/08, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 
> wrote:
>   
>> As it was explained to me, the problem was the exact opposite of 
>> what
>> you've
>> stated.  Tranzeo did something that's NON standards based and MT
>> 
>>> finally
>>>   
>> created a work around.
>>
>> Who knows...
>> Marlon
>> (509) 982-2181
>> (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
>> 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator 
>> since
>> 1999!
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>> www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam
>>
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "John Valenti" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 11:20 AM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] tranzeo's web site?
>>
>>
>> 
>>> Marlon,
>>>
>>> I thought the Tranzeo/MT problem was a Mikrotik issue, fixed by 
>>> their
>>> update.  (Tranzeo did a work-around, but it wasn't their bug)   Or 
>>> is
>>> there some other problem?
>>>
>>> Oh, www.tranzeo.com is working for me, now.
>>>
>>> And Merry Christmas to you, too!
>>>
>>>
>>> On Dec 21, 2008, at 12:19 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
>>>
>>>   
 Glad it's not just me!  grin

 Nothing particular right now.  I was just checking for any new
 versions.

 Well, I guess I would sure like a fix for the Tranzeo/MT problem.
 Not the
 MT patch, but a proper fix from Tranzeo.

 And for Christmas I want a firmware for the Tranzeo AP's that
 doesn't lock
 up!

 Merry Christmas all!
 marlon
 
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Re: [WISPA] Potential Dr.'s office asking about our network and HIPAA?

[Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net]

Create a tunnel back to your NOC.  done! 

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> We are routed, but from any computer on the network, we can go to any IP on
> the network. So its like our broadcast is routed, but we're still bridged?
>
> Anyhow, I have a potential Dr.'s office that is asking about the security of
> his information across our network until it leaves the NOC. How do you guys
> do network security? Vlans? PPPoE?  What can we do to ensure that we can
> comply with HIPAA standards for potential clients like this?
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Re: [WISPA] wholesale bandwidth

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I.e. you want bandwidth out of st. louis? 

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> I am looking for wholesale bandwidth providers to either St Louis or
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Re: [WISPA] processor and computers, what's good these days? was -- Re: Article

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I built some machines, AMD 5000+ Black Editions, 4 gig RAM, Vista, 500 
gig SATAs, DVD drives, nice cases, HD 3500 512meg PCI-E Video Carts and 
DUAL DVI 22inch LCDs.  So far, I don't wait for them!  Was inexpensive 
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> Got it.  So what are the medium to good ones to watch for?
>
> I used to really like AMD but I'm hearing that they suck.  At least that's 
> what one thought over on the isp-ceo list.
>
> We used to tell people to get Gateway systems.  Then we went Micron, then 
> Micro Flex, now Dell.  Once in a while I'd build one for myself, but who 
> wants to deal with warranty work when PC's aren't your core business?
>
> Service is usually the main thing that I look at when suggesting a PC to 
> someone.  *I* don't want to be the one that has to help them with all of the 
> questions that come up.
>
> What are you guys suggesting and using these days?
>
> thanks,
> marlon
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 10:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article
>
>
>   
>> Different architectures, multiple processor cores per processor.  One
>> processor of today can literally do the work of 4 as they have 4 little
>> processors inside one physical processor.
>>
>> Kind of like how channel size isn't a very good measurement of how much 
>> data
>> you can push through it.  There are many other factors at play.
>>
>>
>> -
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Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

[Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net]

Is there a central resource for this type of information?

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Mike Hammett wrote:
> Comcast, Global Crossing, Level(3), Electric Lightwave, and 360 Networks 
> have POPs in your town.
>
> I might look more later, but I figure that's a good place to start.
>
>
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> From: "Mark Nash" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 10:10 AM
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
>
>   
>> I'm having a heck of a time finding providers in my area (Eugene, OR) from
>> which I can backhaul to my network.  Anyone know of a good site or have
>> contacts for people who could quote in my area?  We're looking for 30-40
>> megs at this point, but if we COULD get these 100meg ports at a reasonable
>> rate, we'd go for it.
>>
>> Mark Nash
>> UnwiredWest
>> 78 Centennial Loop
>> Suite E
>> Eugene, OR 97401
>> 541-998-
>> 541-998-5599 fax
>> http://www.unwiredwest.com
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Chuck McCown - 3" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 6:32 AM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
>>
>>
>> 
>>> There deals clear down to $7/meg.
>>> Ask vendors for a 2 year contract, GigE 100 Mbps burstable.
>>>
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: "John Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>> Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 10:07 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
>>>
>>>
>>>   
 http://www.nefiber.com/

 Recently, I learned that American Fiber Systems has "InterCity Fiber
 Ring" that connects Las Vegas, Reno/Carson City, Boise and Salt Lake on
 a fully redundant OC-192 capacity backbone.
 They aren't cheap on the low end at $2000/month for 5 meg burstable to
 10, but I image the price per meg drops quickly as the bandwidth goes
 
>> up.
>> 
 These guys do fiber in California

 http://www.fiberinternetcenter.com/

 They do 5 meg burstable to 10 at $1595-1995 but they told me they can 
 do
 100 meg for about $7000 per month.

 John

 Mike Hammett wrote:
 
> Right.  I'm amazed at how many ISPs out there don't know who these
> providers
> are, or the carriers outside of the RBOCs, or what connectivity
> possibilities are in their areas.
>
>
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> From: "Jason Hodge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 12:15 PM
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
>
>
>   
>> Right, it is not. It is a embedded content provider for web sites.
>>
>> J Hodge
>> 630.445.3779
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> 
>> On
>> 
>> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
>> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:53 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
>>
>> I'm not saying it's not possible, but I doubt that there is much much
>> BitTorrent traffic coming from Limelight.
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> From: "Jason Hodge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:41 AM
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
>>
>>
>> 
>>> Sounds like bit torrent. What ports is the traffic on?
>>>
>>> J Hodge
>>> 630.445.3779
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>   
>> On
>> 
>>> Behalf Of Travis Johnson
>>> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:43 AM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> So I grabbed all of Limelight Networks' IP blocks and created a 
>>> queue
>>> on
>>> my MT core router. I am currently seeing about 8-9Mbps upload with
>>>   
>> only
>> 

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

[Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net]

Yep. And I would agree there.  I also think, WISPs, and even cable cos 
have the issue that the technology will limit their ability to take this 
increase rapidly.  

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Drew Lentz wrote:
> This is the statement that got me:
>   
>> One argument that I have had people tell me, is that the ISP should know
>> this is coming and should have planned for it.
>> 
>
> Whether it is through watching the amount of bandwidth used over periods of
> time as a trend or doing market research to find out what is coming down the
> line in technology, this statement holds pretty strong. Best practices tell
> you to build your network for your needs tomorrow, not for today, not for
> yesterday.
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Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

[Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net]

The local Gas Co here has "budget billing"  The bill changes ever 4 
months.  During the winter its low, and the summer its way high, why.  
Winter we use it to heat with, normally I would have 300-400 bills, for 
a few months, but the summer we only use it for cooking, so it would be 
30-40 bucks!  with that I pay around 80-90 bucks a month normally.  I 
guarantee I am paying for ALL of the gas used!  Just spreading it out 
over a number of months.I'm sure though, some months I am ahead, I 
have credit for unused gas, and some months I owe for.

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Matt wrote:
>> My telephone service is unlimited (home landline with Qwest) and could be
>> unlimited cell phone with AT&T or Sprint. My water is unlimited.
>> 
>
> There is almost always 'fine print' in these unlimited plans.
> Unlimited long distance is almost always not completely unlimited.
>
>   
>> People want "unlimited" service so they don't have to guess what their bill
>> is going to be. Even my electricity and gas bills can be setup as
>> "level-pay" so they are the same each month. The general public does NOT
>> 
>
> Level pay is not unlimited.  No where close.
>
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Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

[Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net]

Simple as this...

Even if you can supply this bandwidth..

1.  Avg Customer usage goes up.
2.  Over subscription rate goes down.
3.  Network costs go up to meet increased demand
4.  Per Sub costs go up due to the higher usage
5.  Profit per sub goes down.

Increase back-end costs but no increase in profit = Bankrupt Company

Or you can..

1.  Avg Customer Usage goes up
2.  Network costs go up
3.  Avg cost per sub goes up
4.  Pass cost onto customer

Regardless, its business 101.  If your costs put you into a position 
that your existing pricing don't make enough money, you have to, reduce 
costs, or increase income.  The idea is how to do this without loosing 
customers (some you will anyways).  But as Sam said, loose the high end 
customers that use your network and keep on trucking.  Comcast I think 
did this a while back, dumping around 2000 subscribers, due to their 
usage!   Why do you think also sat connections have that FAP, cause they 
can't just "upgrade" their backhauls etc  Its a major expense.

One argument that I have had people tell me, is that the ISP should know 
this is coming and should have planned for it.  Cost of doing business.  
I don't think that is true, a small increase in usage yes, but we are 
talking tripling otherwise low usage connections, if not more. 

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Sam Tetherow wrote:
> Of course they want unlimited.  I want unlimited as well.  But the issue 
> we are going to have to deal with is, is everyone going to be willing to 
> pay for unlimited such that those who are on the top end of the usage 
> spectrum aren't eating our profit?
>
> How much unused bandwidth do you have on your current network 
> connection(s)?  If one third of your existing customers increased their 
> monthly bandwidth by 80GB (1.5mbit)  during peak hours (6pm to 10pm) 
> would your existing infrastructure be able to handle the increased load 
> or would you have to build out more infrastructure.  Would your monthly 
> upstream cost increase and if so by how much?  Do you think you would 
> lose customers if you had to up their rates regardless of their usage 
> (so that everyone can have their unlimited plan) or do you think it 
> would be less disruptive upping the rates on the power users only?
>
> I'm opting for upping the rates on the power users, it will have one of 
> two effects, either I will collect more from those who use more or I 
> will lose a customer that is costing me more than I am collecting from 
> them.  Obviously keeping the customer is the desired outcome, but I not 
> willing to pay for him on a monthly basis.
>
> On a related note how many people have upped their rates and if so how 
> have you faired against competition?
>
> Sam Tetherow
> Sandhills Wireless
>
> Travis Johnson wrote:
>   
>> Hi,
>>
>> My telephone service is unlimited (home landline with Qwest) and could 
>> be unlimited cell phone with AT&T or Sprint. My water is unlimited.
>>
>> People want "unlimited" service so they don't have to guess what their 
>> bill is going to be. Even my electricity and gas bills can be setup as 
>> "level-pay" so they are the same each month. The general public does 
>> NOT want to guess how much their internet bill is going to be... 
>> especially when they can get Dish or Direct TV for "unlimited" for 
>> $29.95 and up.
>>
>> Travis
>> Microserv
>>
>> Sam Tetherow wrote:
>> 
>>> The average person watches 4 hours of TV per day.   If we are streaming 
>>> at 1.5mbit which is somewhere between SDTV and HDTV it is 660MB/hr.  
>>> This works out to 79.2GB/month per person.  On average I would be that 
>>> there are at least 2 separate TV views per household (kids vs parents 
>>> for example).  This would get us to 158.4GB/mn leaving less than 100GB 
>>> for all other traffic.
>>>
>>> If we run the same for HD which is roughly 2.5mbit or 1.125GB/hr we get 
>>> 135GB/mn per person for HDTV. 
>>>
>>> While 250GB is more than enough by current usage standards if all 
>>> viewing moves to IP it is not going to take long 250GB to be a pretty 
>>> tight fit for total monthly bandwidth.
>>>
>>> I pay by the gallon for water, by the kw/hr for electricity, and capped 
>>> with overage on cell service. 
>>>
>>> Sam Tetherow
>>> Sandhills Wireless
>>>
>>>
>>> Travis Johnson wrote:
>>>   
>>>   
 Honestly, I don't ever see the model changing to metered billing. 
 Telephone service isn't that way. Water service (in my area at least) 
 isn't that way. And yes, some have started, but with 250GB monthly 
 caps, it's not really even a cap.

 Travis
>>>

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

[Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net]

It is important to understand the business impact on this.  If you can 
deliver these speeds, this also could be a "method" to enable upgrades 
of your service.  I.e. Customer calls in and says their netflix video is 
bad, if they do not have at least 2-3 meg , and you offer that speed, 
upgrade them!   I know WISPs on 2.4 delivering 3 meg to customers (some 
not all).  Course they don't get far on each AP. lol

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Josh Luthman wrote:
> Couple of things to mention here...
>
> I believe (not certain!) that Netflix will do lower quality streams based on
> your downstream connection.  How low it will go I can't say.
>
> If a customer wants something they have to pay for it.  The majority of
> customers go with the smallest package (something like 256k to 2meg
> depending on the area) which probably won't work with Netflix well.  They'll
> be forced to upgrade and pay more to the ISP, or stop the Netflix service
> (which is free for the first month).
>
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> On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 9:56 AM, Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net <
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   
>> Yes. I am up to 25 gig this month.  Course me and my wife have been
>> watching older TV shows over the weekend.  ;)
>>
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>> Travis Johnson wrote:
>> 
>>> You have hit the problem directly on the head. You think a simple
>>> Canopy AP is going to solve the problem? Let's say you are allocating
>>> 10Mbps downlink on this AP... that would mean 5 customers per AP (@
>>> 2Mbps each). Nobody in this market can survive on those ratios.
>>>
>>> This service needs capped and people that want it can pay for "video
>>> streaming" which is $100/month extra... that would be my vote.
>>>
>>> Travis
>>> Microserv
>>>
>>> Drew Lentz wrote:
>>>   
>>>> In areas like yours, though, some would argue that is the perfect place
>>>> 
>> for
>> 
>>>> some type of licensed LTE/WiMAX type of service. Even with a Canopy type
>>>> service it would beat down the doors of the telco offering only 3Mbps of
>>>> service. As more and more devices have bandwidth requirements, the
>>>> 
>> service
>> 
>>>> providers will fall into line, I believe.
>>>>
>>>> Everyone has always pushed for more bandwidth, but it as always come
>>>> 
>> from
>> 
>>>> the customers as opposed to the devices. It seems like now, the device
>>>> requirements will leave the customer with no choice and force them into
>>>> 
>> a
>> 
>>>> decision of higher consumption.
>>>>
>>>> As far as furthering the digital divide, I don't think it will hurt it
>>>> 
>> all
>> 
>>>> that bad. On the contrary what would be nice to see is the
>>>> 
>> communications
>> 
>>>> mediums becoming less expensive because of the amount of services
>>>> 
>> required.
>> 
>>>> Just like the price of bandwidth has changed over the years, I think it
>>>> 
>> will
>> 
>>>> continue to drop. I would love to see some research data on the cost per
>>>> 
>> MB
>> 
>>>> over the last 10 years and see what the trend is like.
>>>>
>>>> That combined with less expensive and 

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

[Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net]

Yes. I am up to 25 gig this month.  Course me and my wife have been 
watching older TV shows over the weekend.  ;) 

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Travis Johnson wrote:
> You have hit the problem directly on the head. You think a simple 
> Canopy AP is going to solve the problem? Let's say you are allocating 
> 10Mbps downlink on this AP... that would mean 5 customers per AP (@ 
> 2Mbps each). Nobody in this market can survive on those ratios.
>
> This service needs capped and people that want it can pay for "video 
> streaming" which is $100/month extra... that would be my vote.
>
> Travis
> Microserv
>
> Drew Lentz wrote:
>> In areas like yours, though, some would argue that is the perfect place for
>> some type of licensed LTE/WiMAX type of service. Even with a Canopy type
>> service it would beat down the doors of the telco offering only 3Mbps of
>> service. As more and more devices have bandwidth requirements, the service
>> providers will fall into line, I believe.
>>
>> Everyone has always pushed for more bandwidth, but it as always come from
>> the customers as opposed to the devices. It seems like now, the device
>> requirements will leave the customer with no choice and force them into a
>> decision of higher consumption.
>>
>> As far as furthering the digital divide, I don't think it will hurt it all
>> that bad. On the contrary what would be nice to see is the communications
>> mediums becoming less expensive because of the amount of services required.
>> Just like the price of bandwidth has changed over the years, I think it will
>> continue to drop. I would love to see some research data on the cost per MB
>> over the last 10 years and see what the trend is like.
>>
>> That combined with less expensive and functional equipment (UBNT's Bullet,
>> the introduction of Mikrotik years ago, for examples) gives operators the
>> ability to put more bandwidth than before in users hands at a fraction of
>> the cost. 
>>
>> I think more than anything it will come down to a backhaul battle. Fiber to
>> the node, fiber to the AP, high capacity microwave links (Bridgewave,
>> Dragonwave, Ceragon, etc) These are all going to be critically important to
>> aggregate and transport these huge amounts of data.
>>
>>   
>>
>>
>> On 11/24/08 1:06 AM, "Scottie Arnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>   
>>> It will further the digital divide. Rural remote locations will be again 
>>> left
>>> in the boon docks. Where I live, 3 meg DSL is the fastest available 
>>> connection
>>> at $75/mth. Cheapest T1 here is over $600/mth, and fiber? forget it, can't 
>>> get
>>> it unless you want to build about 4 towers just to backhaul, or pay 
>>> $1200/mth
>>> for each cell tower to put them on.
>>>
>>> Why should the small ISP's foot the bill for Netflix and these companies 
>>> that
>>> are making million's of dollars more than we are?
>>>
>>> Scottie
>>>
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: Drew Lentz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
>>> Date:  Mon, 24 Nov 2008 00:41:41 -0600
>>>
>>> 
 I'm all for open systems. Limiting the amount of bandwidth at any level is,
 to me, a terrible thing to do. I understand that it doesn't necessarily fit
 the model as it applies to today's business for many ISPs, but, maybe its
 time to change the model.

 This is where the separation of providers starts to take shape. The 
 networks
 that can handle these loads and supply the end-user are going to win the
 customers. I honestly think the demand of large scale bandwidth is going to
 be fed to the end-user by the consumer electronics market. Look at CES last
 year. Look how many devices demand connectivity at certain levels. If your
 current service provider can't get you what you need, there will always be
 someone else who can.

 There is some great info here from a recent conference:
 http://www4.gsb.columbia.edu/citi/events/summit2008

 Take a look at the slides. I like the reference to the slide where it 
 breaks
 down how much bandwidth utilization there is expected to be per household:
 35+ Mbps (and those are numbers from 2006!)
 4 VoIP lines @ 100Kbps
 2 SDTVs @ 2Mbps
 2 HDTVs @ 9 Mbps
 1 Gaming device @ 1Mbps
 1 High Spedd Internet @ 10Mbps

 Scary how quickly it adds up :)

 My favorite quote:
 ³By the year 2010 bandwidth for 20 homes will generate more traffic than
 entire Internet in 1995²

 -d


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Re: [WISPA] IBM backs BPL

[Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net]

Is there and BPL solutions out there that WISPs could take advantage of 
yet?  Maybe beam in some high speed and then go to the community or 
subdivision?

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Tom DeReggi wrote:
> Just like everything else There is a useful place for anything, 
> somewhere.
>
> BPL is in no way a solution to solve the world's broadband problems. But it 
> is clearly part of the solution, just like Wireless, DSL, or FTTH.
> Some of the case studies here in Potomac Maryland were very successful, and 
> in other areas just down the street, they were not.
>
> What  I don't like to see is  Municipal or Monopoly Subsidized approaches 
> that bank on a single technology for the solution to a given region.
> There is no one-fit-all solution.   I See BPL being an overlay to many 
> areas, as another competitor to add choice and options for consumers.
>
> Tom DeReggi
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>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 1:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] IBM backs BPL
>
>
>   
>> yeah, BPL is no good.
>>
>>
>> -
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>> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 10:10 PM
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] IBM backs BPL
>>
>> 
>>> When I was involved with BPL (back then known as PLC), all I ever
>>> heard was HAM radio interference.
>>> -RickG
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 9:12 AM, Jeff Broadwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> wrote:
>>>   
 http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/081112/tec_broadband_over_power_lines.html?.v=6

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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik issues

[Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net]

I do prefer the 433AHs, however if you are only putting a single radio 
card on it, then the 411A vs 433 is wash.  Same processor, same RAM as 
the 433.  If you are not doing much with it, it should work fine.  Going 
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Josh Luthman wrote:
> When I read "However, pings from the client to my office will drop for an
> intermittent time period several times an hour." I believe he was referring
> from the CPE radio to his office PC/core.
>
> RB411 is meant for a CPE device.  RB433 is meant for an AP.
>
> If your customers are happy and paying their bill the RB411 is an excellent
> choice.  Personally I put the RB433AH on the tower regardless of expansion
> is expected or not.  The cost of replacing the router in the middle of
> deployment is way more then the price difference between the RB433 and
> RB433AH (AH simply means bigger cpu/more memory).
>
> You did avoid the 1xx and 5xx series and used the 4xx - that was a wise
> choice!
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> On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 3:46 PM, Sam Tetherow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   
>> What is the client radio? What does the networking look like. My first
>> guess would be a crappy customer side router which is either having
>> issues with an ARP table or connection table filling up.
>>
>> Sam Tetherow
>> Sandhills Wireless
>>
>> Steve Barnes wrote:
>> 
>>> I have a odd issue(as always).
>>>
>>> First of all I have a 180 sector with a RB411 XR2 3.15 OS 44 Clients.
>>> Can that board handle that load running B everyone at 2MB?  All CPE's
>>> are Tranzeo TR19
>>>
>>> Next I have 3 clients off of that sector with the same issue.  Pings
>>> from my office to the CPE NEVER drop.  However, pings from the client to
>>> my office will drop for an intermittent time period several times an
>>> hour.  I have visited 2 of the clients. With my laptop connected to the
>>> POE, when everything is working I can winbox into the tower to watch
>>> what happens,  with a ping running from my laptop to my office.  As soon
>>> as the pings stop I start looking at the tower, the Winbox never loses
>>> connection.  But I can't ping the web, I can't browse the web and
>>> tracert stop between the CPE and the tower.  But I am still connected
>>> and have full access to the Tower with winbox.  Pings from the tower to
>>> the CPE never fail or change time nor do pings from my office.  When the
>>> client first complained I had them setup a VNC connection to take
>>> control of their PC assuming they were clueless.  With VNC from my
>>> office I started a ping on their PC and watched it start failing, I
>>> NEVER LOST CONNECTION WITH VNC. I could stop and start a ping do a
>>> tracert and to make sure I even rebooted the pc.  So TCP level still
>>> works.  Have replaced radios POE's, and some cables at one but since I
>>> now have 3 doing it I am pretty sure it's the AP.
>>>
>>> HELP
>>>
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>>> (765)584-2288
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Re: [WISPA] manufacturing CPE for customers

[Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net]

By the time you are done, with antenna and such, it usually is not under 
50 bucks.  Not to mention the quality of the product.  Thats always 
something to look at.  We have uninstalled other types of radios, and 
replaced them with MT CPEs just cause they work! 

It costs more to go back and have the customer mad cause of a radio 
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> I have seen most of the easily 'googleable' solutions and most of them
> are >= $100. We are looking for something very low end and simple for <
> $50. I have had a suggestion that Senao has something in this ballpark.
>
> BTW apologies for the slightly incoherent email before. I was
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> Thanks for the replies,
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>   
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> Sent: 11 November 2008 18:09
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>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] manufacturing CPE for customers
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>> Andy,
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>> Have you seen www.routerboard.com ? They have some decent CPE for less
>> then 100.00.
>>
>>
>> Andy Loukes wrote:
>> 
 Hi

 iam looking some one to help me getting smalled board with low cost
 CPE for indoor use with the support of OpenWRT

 one lan + one wan + 1 ap

 contact me offline with specs and price

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Re: [WISPA] manufacturing CPE for customers

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Why would you want OpenWRT when routeros does everything.. 

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Harold Bledsoe wrote:
> The OP asked for OpenWRT support, and I don't think RBs support this.
>
> -Hal
>
> On Tue, 2008-11-11 at 13:11 -0500, Josh Luthman wrote:
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>> The RB100 and 500s have been decent.  Most people have a lot of them.  I'm
>> not a fan of them really.
>>
>> The RB400s have been absolutely amazing.  They (as Apple says) "just work"
>> =)  Good performance, work well and RouterOS.  The right way to build a
>> network!
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>> On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 1:09 PM, Charles Wyble <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
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>> 
>>> Andy,
>>>
>>> Have you seen www.routerboard.com ? They have some decent CPE for less
>>> then 100.00.
>>>
>>>
>>> Andy Loukes wrote:
>>>   
> Hi
>
> iam looking some one to help me getting smalled board with low cost
> CPE for indoor use with the support of OpenWRT
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> one lan + one wan + 1 ap
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Re: [WISPA] How NOT to take down your "new" used tower!

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looked like fun! :)

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> idiots
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> Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
>> Yikes
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Re: [WISPA] MikroTik simple queues

[Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net]

Change the burst time to 60s/60s and you will be "CLOSE" to 30 second 
burst.   

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Josh Luthman wrote:
> Here is what I believe you want.  It will let the customer use 3M but if for
> 30 seconds the customer exceeds 512kb/s they're capped at 1536kb/s.
>
> /queue simple
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> 30s/30s comment="" direction=both disabled=no dst-address=0.0.0.0/0 \
> interface=all limit-at=0/0 max-limit=1536000/1536000
> name=blair4noobcstmr \
> parent=none priority=8 queue=default-small/default-small \
> target-addresses=172.16.0.101/32 total-queue=default-small
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> Fish sounds good for dinner.  Thanks for the tip.
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> On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 8:24 PM, Blair Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>>  Ok.  I can live with a 1Mb/s limit with a short burst to 3Mb/s
>>
>> But how?
>>
>> I've managed to make simple queues do bandwidth limiting.  But making the
>> bursting work seems to be a different kettle of fish
>>
>> Josh Luthman wrote:
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>> You can easily do that minus the very last part about the last 30s
>> usage in simple queues.
>>
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>> On 10/31/08, Blair Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
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>>  Anyone out here know about MikroTik Simple Queues?
>>
>> I'm trying to get something like this...
>>
>> user with 1Mb/s limit can burst to 3Mb/s for 30sec but only if his average
>> use in the previous 30sec is below 512Kb/s
>>
>> I've tried several things, but I am just not getting it to work.
>>
>> The objective is to speed web surfing and email while preventing long
>> running downloads/uploads from plugging up the network for others.
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Re: [WISPA] New form of RSTP?

[Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net]

There is RSTP in current revisions of MT.   Is there a reason its not a 
routed backbone though?  Failover etc works so much better. 

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> I am starting to think I am going crazy. Actually I have suspected this for
> a long time now.  
> I was sure I saw a recent announcement here from Mikrotik that they have
> developed a new proprietary form of RSTP (reliable spanning tree protocol)
> type of layer 2 fail over support and now I cannot find this when I search
> for it. If anyone else saw this announcement can you please reply with a
> link to the story about this? I am building a backhaul ring in my network
> and want layer 2 failover for this backhaul ring. I am considering using
> Mikrotik. If anyone has similar experience with actual RSTP switching
> failover in the field and want to share your thoughts on implementation,
> issues and/or other similar options I would welcome your thoughts.
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Re: [WISPA] Equip Leasing

[Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net]

Please do not Advertise on the list!  This is not permitted.

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3-dB Networks wrote:
> Yes...
>
> Everyone check out our website article here.
> http://www.3dbnetworks.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=126
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> It describes in detail the various funding options out there and why you
> should choose each option.  It was written by Todd Bergstrom, the former CEO
> of Mesa Networks and the CEO of 3-dB Networks.
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> If you go here
> http://www.3dbnetworks.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=128
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> We have a link and some information about the company we used for our
> financing when we were Mesa, Landmark Financial.  They are a great company
> to work with, and truly understand the WISP industry.
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> If you need some Motorola gear for that financing, we may be able to work
> out a special deal for you...
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> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 11:07 AM
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> Subject: [WISPA] Equip Leasing
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> Does anyone have a good relationship with a reputable equipment  
> leasing firm? If so, who are you using?
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> Thanks
> Chris Cooper
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Re: [WISPA] NOC

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I like the lonely plants scattered about. 

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> Looks like Tim Hogard's basement to me.
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>> http://www.telstra.com.au/abouttelstra/images/media/photos/73764g2_hires.jpg
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[WISPA] [Tranzeo] New Update - Tranzeo/Mtik disconnect issue Oct 10th, 2008

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Just a FYI, I got this from Mikrotik..   I wanted to make sure I sent it 
out to everyone..


The tranzeo timestamp issues comes from tranzeo implementing a timestamp 
check that is not included in the 802.11 standard for ap to client 
communications.

The timestamp check is included in the standard for the adhoc (IBSS) 
wireless mode (which is not commonly used and Mikrotik does not support) 
-- and there is are reasons that it is included in adhoc mode and not in 
ap to client mode.

The standard requires clients to accept the beacon timestamp 
unconditionally in ap to client mode.  Tranzeo has added a specific 
check because they said they thought it is logical that the check be 
applied to ap to client mode.  Good standards implementations do not add 
things to a standard.  These standards are made by IEEE committees of 
engineers that are very specific on what they include and don't 
include.  If a company wants to change a standard, then they need to 
join the committee and, through peer review, get a new standard approved.

We have made a work-around for their violation of the standard.  But 
rather than somebody saying thank you, the old saying of 'no good deed 
goes unpunished' is proven again.  We make many work-arounds for 
incorrect standards implementations and extension by companies such as 
Microsoft, Realtek, and now Tranzeo.  We do that to help our customers, 
but in reality, the vendors that do not follow the standards should fix 
the problem.

In summary, it is very unfair that we are blamed for problems made by 
another company that does not implement the standard correctly.  Many 
people in this business don't do it just for money, but because they 
like making things (be it WISP or equipment for WISP).  Rants without 
basis kind of put a wet blanket on the whole party.

For those that would like to research this, here a clear reference from 
the 802.11 standard that is pertinent:

 From 802.11-2007, 11.1.1.1 TSF for infrastructure networks:
... A receiving STA shall always accept the timing information in Beacon
frames sent from the AP servicing its BSS. If a STAâEUR^(TM)s TSF timer 
is different
from the timestamp in the received Beacon frame, the receiving STA shall 
set
its local TSF timer to the received timestamp value.

Tranzeo decided to assume that receiving a beacon with timestamp less 
than in previous beacon indicates that the AP has restarted (the 
standard has another method to handle restarted ap units).  This check 
is not in the standard and this a tranzeo addition to the standard that 
has cause the disconnect problem that Ryan has suffered from.

Regards,

Mikrotik

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D. Ryan Spott wrote:
> Oh don't think I have not tried to shame them into this MULTIPLE times... :)
>
> Damian! Get on it!
>
> ryan
>
> -Original Message-
> From: John Scrivner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 6:43 AM
> To: WISPA General List 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Tranzeo] New Update - Tranzeo/Mtik disconnect issue 
> Oct 10th, 2008
>
> Now if they would just drop a mere $1000 to join WISPA as a Vendor
> Member they would earn mine. I use their products every day. I have
> asked them to join, face to face, at shows as recently as the last
> WiMax World a month ago. Tranzeo benefits regularly from WISPA but as
> yet seems reluctant to support our industry efforts.
> Scriv
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 11:25 PM, Kurt Fankhauser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> I read every word. Tranzeo has earned my respect.
>>
>> Kurt Fankhauser
>> WAVELINC
>> P.O. Box 126
>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>> 419-562-6405
>> www.wavelinc.com
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>> Behalf Of D. Ryan Spott
>> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 6:04 PM
>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List; Mikrotik discussions; Mikrotik
>> Users Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Tranzeo] New Update - Tranzeo/Mtik disconnect issue
>> Oct 10th, 2008
>>
>> Ladies and Gentlemen,
>>
>> (Please pardon my extensive use of () and "" in this here email, I am
>> not so good with the typin' stuff!
>>
>> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>
>> A few weeks ago (years in some cases, hi Travis!) there was discovered a
>> "random disconnect issue between Tranzeo CPE and Mtik APs."
>>
>> First it was prism vs atheos (no, that was not it)
>> Then it was "tranzeo CPE are terrible. Yadda Yadda" (no that is not it
>> either as even MTIK CPE were seing this, although "not as often")
>> Then it was "you must have some power issue with the boards browning out
>> on the routeros board you are using" (nope, not that either)
>> Someone even threw in "Pl

Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik RouterOS version 3.15 released!

[Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net]

Believe it is..   But its not just for Tranzeo though.. 

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Steve Barnes wrote:
> Anyone know if this is the Tranzeo fix for MT.  It does not state that
> in the Change log but fixes timing issues and some connection issues.
>
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Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo/Mtik disconnect issue...

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I strongly urge everyone to send me off-list at [EMAIL PROTECTED], 
any suppouts videos, screen shots of this issue.  I have an open case 
with MT.  If you send it over, I will continue to gather information 
etc, and continue to work with MT on this issue.

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Travis Johnson wrote:
> This is NOT just a MT/Tranzeo issue. If you search the forums, people 
> were talking about this issue over 6 months ago with various clients. 
> We are running 100% MT (AP and clients) and we see the issue across 
> ALL of our AP's.
>
> Travis
> Microserv
>
> D. Ryan Spott wrote:
>> Steve and Eje,
>>
>> There is a bit of a forum thread here describing the issue:
>>
>> http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=24971
>>
>> Tranzeo and Mtik are working on it.
>>
>>
>> On Oct 2, 2008, at 5:19 AM, Steve Barnes wrote:
>>
>>   
>>> So let me get this right. If you have Tranzeo CPE's you only use  
>>> StarOS.
>>> MT does not work.  Does Mikrotik even acknowledge that this is a issue
>>> and do they have plans to fix it.
>>>
>>> Part of the issue is I could not make Cisco VPN's work with StarOS  
>>> V3 AP
>>> and a Tranzeo CPE.  Had to change to a StarOS CPE.  Now I changed to  
>>> the
>>> MT AP and the StarOS CPE didn't work right. So I changed the CPE  
>>> back to
>>> a Tranzeo, VPN's work great now but the Tower reboots.  ARG!
>>>
>>> Steve Barnes
>>> Executive Manager
>>> PCS-WIN
>>> RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service
>>> (765)584-2288
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of Mark Nash
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 9:50 PM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo/Mtik disconnect issue...
>>>
>>> I do wish the Tranzeos had a ping watchdog feature...
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Eje Gustafsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 6:27 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo/Mtik disconnect issue...
>>>
>>>
>>> 
 Odd behavior. This must be a mismatch in the protocol between the
   
>>> Tranzeo
>>> 
 units and MikroTik. We have tested many different units (E-zy.net,
 Senao/Engenius, MikroTik, Ubiquiti as well Teletronics) and never  
 seen
   
 this
 behavior you describe. However I do recall way back someone had very
 strange
 behaviors going on between Tranzeo units and his MikroTik AP. He had
   
>>> some
>>> 
 Senao CB3 units and some Smartbridges that he swapped some of the
   
>>> Tranzeo
>>> 
 units with and the problems with those clients went away.
 Not sure what the Tranzeo units are or are not doing when
   
>>> communicating
>>> 
 with
 the MikroTik AP thought this been long since fixed but if it was the
 problem
 seems to once again surfaced.

 / Eje

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
   
>>> On
>>> 
 Behalf Of Steve Barnes
 Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 3:20 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Cc: Scott Reed; Blake King; Rick Harnish
 Subject: [WISPA] Tranzeo/Mtik disconnect issue...

 I am wondering about a resolution on this. I had a failing StarOS
   
>>> Board
>>> 
 so I switched out to a Mikotik RB411 v3.10.  Now all 45 of my clients
 (all are Tranzeo) reset every few minutes. Normally <5min.

 I have also noticed that at times the signal Strength on my clients  
 go
 super high like a client at -68 will be at -98.  However, if I ping
   
>>> that
>>> 
 client they drop back to the -68. As soon as you stop the Ping the
 signal strength on the AP goes back to -99.  If I reboot the Radio it
 sets everyone back to Really good signal strength for a while then it
 starts to climb.  I had no one over -80 on the star board.  I just  
 had
 12 clients the MT said was at -112 to -116.  Ping them and during the
 ping they are back to -68.

 Help.  I will be a guinea pig if someone wants to look at my tower
   
>>> from
>>> 
 MT.  it can't get much Worse.

 Steve Barnes
 Executive Manager
 PCS-WIN
 RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service
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Re: [WISPA] Gotta love lighting....

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Mark,

We are NOT far at all, in House Springs, just south of St. Louis.  Rolla 
is just about 1 1/2 hours from us!

Give Jim a call on his cell at 314-565-6863.  We are a MT distributor 
and can get you whatever you need! 

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Mark McElvy wrote:
> I have lost three towers in the last two days. I got one back this
> morning and may be able to get a second up this afternoon if it will
> quit raining. The third tower I need some equipment for. I am in central
> Missouri, near Rolla, and need RB532 or equivalent, an XR2, and a
> Tranzeo TR5a-24.  If anyone can help that is close by, 4to 5 hr drive,
> please call. 
>
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Re: [WISPA] Tiger Direct is Breaking the Law

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I agree, just saying that there is more than one vendor selling crap.  I 
don't think there is much we can do about it.  Just have to know its out 
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Blair Davis wrote:
> Let's not start the Certified 'Antenna Systems' thing again.
>
> Please!
>
> Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net wrote:
>   
>> it is'ent like its hard to find other companies selling this.  Amazon is 
>> selling it too, as well as compusa. .. The issue is that its not over 
>> powering the band?  Assuming its a 500mw amp thats basically 27 db, so 
>> if they have a 7 dbi omni on it, thats 34 dbi, under the limit
>>
>> The only issue is that more of these devices we have out there, the less 
>> OUR stuff works. 
>>
>> Travis, 1 watt amps are not illegal, its just illegal to use with an 
>> antenna more than 6db.  p2mp only of course.
>>
>> But same difference, it should not be able to be used as it generates 
>> more interference and causes other issues, and yes, its not start to use 
>> etc.  But I don't think there is anything the FCC could do.  Other than 
>> its not a FCC Certified device...
>>
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>>
>> John Scrivner wrote:
>>   
>> 
>>> There is no way this is close to legal:
>>>
>>> Tiger Direct Wi-Fi Booster
>>> Amp<http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3522757&CatId=374&gclid=CLCogIud1pMCFRQXsgodo2xwjg>
>>>
>>> Does the FCC have a place where we can report this crap? This is flagrant
>>> abuse of the band and will lead to less usability of 2.4 GHz Wi-Fi for our
>>> purposes if we do not stand up and stop this type of behavior from vendors
>>> who sell crap.
>>> Scriv
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Tiger Direct is Breaking the Law

[Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net]

it is'ent like its hard to find other companies selling this.  Amazon is 
selling it too, as well as compusa. .. The issue is that its not over 
powering the band?  Assuming its a 500mw amp thats basically 27 db, so 
if they have a 7 dbi omni on it, thats 34 dbi, under the limit

The only issue is that more of these devices we have out there, the less 
OUR stuff works. 

Travis, 1 watt amps are not illegal, its just illegal to use with an 
antenna more than 6db.  p2mp only of course.

But same difference, it should not be able to be used as it generates 
more interference and causes other issues, and yes, its not start to use 
etc.  But I don't think there is anything the FCC could do.  Other than 
its not a FCC Certified device...

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John Scrivner wrote:
> There is no way this is close to legal:
>
> Tiger Direct Wi-Fi Booster
> Amp
>
> Does the FCC have a place where we can report this crap? This is flagrant
> abuse of the band and will lead to less usability of 2.4 GHz Wi-Fi for our
> purposes if we do not stand up and stop this type of behavior from vendors
> who sell crap.
> Scriv
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Re: [WISPA] traffic reporting

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Trends IWSS Does this, full reporting, plus gives you anti-virus and 
Anti-SPAM protection.. 

YOu an load that up on a server, or purchase their hardware box.
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Travis Johnson wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I posted this message a few months ago, and never found anything that 
> was what I needed, so I'm posting again. :)
>
> I have several school districts looking for a way to monitor their 
> internet traffic. They want to see where each IP address is going, etc. 
> They do NOT need filtering or any bandwidth management or anything like 
> that... just a reporting system. It can't be a proxy system or anything 
> that will require them to change all the client settings.
>
> I would prefer some type of a linux solution that I could put on a box 
> with two ethernet ports and just run as transparent bridging.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> thanks,
>
> Travis
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Re: [WISPA] Internet Outage / South Park episode

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Southpark Crude!!!  NEVER!!  ahahahhaa..

Mark Nash wrote:
> I watch South Park religiously...
>
> That said...if you watch the full episode...
>
> fair warning...part of this episode is extremely crude
>
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> - Original Message - 
> From: "John Valenti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 11:14 AM
> Subject: [WISPA] Internet Outage / South Park episode
>
>
>   
>> One of the Chicago Tribune bloggers discusses an outage at his house
>> in this posting:
>> http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/eric2_0/2008/04/real-life-
>> imita.html
>>
>> He includes a clip from South Park that I gather is recent (we're an
>> OTA family, so I'm several seasons behind).
>>
>> I think many on this list will appreciate it; and help understand the
>> value of our work.   :-)
>>
>>
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[WISPA] Interesting FCC Testimony

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http://lessig.org/blog/2008/04/testifying_fcc_stanford.html

Interesting presentation.  On Net Neutrality. 




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Re: [WISPA] Future

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And what do you use to control that bandwidth? 

Chuck McCown wrote:
> We sell 10.2 Mbps burst service.  And most of them actually get that speed.
> If they start streaming or downloading a large file, we throttle them down. 
> Most are at 768.
> When the stream or download stops, they go back to wide open throttle. 
> Customers love it.
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "D. Ryan Spott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 2:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future
>
>
>   
>> Chuck,
>>
>> What speeds do you sell to your end customers at 128:1 oversub?
>>
>> (I am assuming that you never really go this high!) :)
>>
>> ryan
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>> Behalf Of Chuck McCown
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 1:33 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future
>>
>> That is pretty much what we do on Motorola Canopy.
>> 20 MHz channels.
>> 128:1 (or less) over subscription
>> 10 Mbps
>> First AP and BH would be in the $5K range
>> Second AP would be in the $2K range.  (depending on antennas etc).
>>
>> We are waiting to see what the OFDM product will do.  Smaller channels.
>> More speed.
>> (more money too).
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 1:17 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future
>>
>>
>> 
>>> Anyone doing a 20 MHz channel?
>>>
>>> Would that be enough capacity to allow for typical oversubscription on 
>>> say
>>>   
>>> a
>>> 10 meg client?
>>>
>>> What does it cost to get the first AP up ($5k, $15k, $50k)?
>>>
>>> What does it cost to get additional APs up ($2k, $10k, $30k)?
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>>
>>>
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: "Jeff Booher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 12:46 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future
>>>
>>>
>>>   
 Chuck,

 Airspan / Aperto are both shipping 5x Ghz wimax products.

 Throughput is about 26mb peak for the Airspan product on 10mhz
 channels, and 22mb on the Aperto product in 7mhz channels. Also, there
 are ways to get around the exclusion zones, if you find out who the
 licenseholders are.



 -

 Jeff

 On Apr 21, 2008, at 1:20 PM, CHUCK PROFITO wrote:

 
> Patrick,
> Excellent point on channel sizes!
> So if WiMAX is released in unlicensed frequencies of 900, 2.4? ,
> 5.X, 3.6
> (we are in a big exclusion zone.)
> I imagine if you deployed in 2.4 it would smoke the home routers.
> Would our capacity double for the same channel sizes?
> Would it use the same channel sizes?
> Would it help with range and capacity?
> Will WiMax help tree penetration? Can Physics be bent?
> In legacy deployments, would or could it improve our back hauls?
>
>
> Chuck Profito
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> to Rural Central California
> -Original Message-
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> On
> Behalf Of CHUCK PROFITO
> Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 10:01 AM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future
>
> Patrick,
> If not 70 miles and 30 mbps,
> what are the real numbers on the fixed, for say:
> 2 miles los?
> 2 miles wooded?
> 5 m los?
> 5 m nlos?
> 10 m los?
> 10 m nlos
> ??
> Is this a fair question?
>
> Chuck Profito
> 209-988-7388
> CV-ACCESS, INC
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Providing High Speed Broadband
> to Rural Central California
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On
> Behalf Of Patrick Leary
> Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:14 AM
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future
>
> The press has been wrong most of time, causing companies like ours
> great
> headaches. The stupid "70 miles 30 mbps" was the most absurd bit of
> hyperbole that the press picked up and repeated endlessly.
> Meanwhile, Mo
> Shakouri (the Marketing VP of the WiMAX Forum and an Alvarion exec)
> was
> trying to dispel that at every turn (I sat in on many of his public
> sessions). Others of us also were trying to correct the
> expectations. I
> did it in numerous analyst and press interviews.
>
> WiMAX is also doing well overseas, especially in Asia. WiMAX's
> greatest
> near term challenge in the U.S. is Sprint.
>
> Patrick
>
> -Original Message-
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> Behalf Of Chuck McCown
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> Su

Re: [WISPA] RB532 replacement...

[Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net]

This is a major issue and all you can do is plan for it.  The stepdown 
from 48 to 24 or 18 is much less of a worry vs AC/DC - DC/AC 
conversion.  The loss should be minimal, and transformers like this, 
should not fail often.  They are simple devices and are relitivly cheap 
and replaceable. 

I do understand, how easy it would be to use all 48 volt.  We even had a 
number of requests for -48v Power Supplies in our PoweRouters.  12 volt 
is easy, the -48 it s a bit harder.  Lots of telco rooms etc use these.

Dennis Burgess
Mikrotik Certified Consultant / Trainer
www.linktechs.net
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Home of the PoweRouter 732! 



Travis Johnson wrote:
> Well, it seems a step backward to install a 24v to 48v converter and 
> thus add another point of failure, instead of just replacing the PoE.
>
> All of the new boards only support up to 28V, so unless you are going 
> to continue to find old boards on the used market, at some point you 
> will have to switch to 24V.
>
> Travis
> Microserv
>
> Blair Davis wrote:
>> 2 reasons
>>
>> I've made it a point to make all my tower equipment use the same 
>> power to eliminate the need to keep different spares on hand.  At one 
>> time I had lots of different types of power supplies for different 
>> things. 
>>
>> And it is much harder to kill equipment by accident if they all use 
>> the same power.
>>
>> one last thing...  I've never had problems with voltage drop on a 48V 
>> system... no matter if the cable run is 50ft or 300ft.  I remember 
>> having to pick the power supply vs the cable length before.  This, to 
>> me, is a step backwards.
>>
>> I no longer replace just the board.  I have a standard build of 
>> board, enclosure,static protection and so on...  we just undo the 
>> u-bolts, disconnect the LMR and ethernet and swap.  We never open the 
>> weatherproof enclosure in the air any more.
>>
>>  
>> Travis Johnson wrote:
>>> You have to replace the board (which means a tower visit) so why not 
>>> just replace the PoE at the same time?
>>>
>>> Travis
>>> Microserv
>>>
>>> Blair Davis wrote:
 My problems with the replacements is the power supply.

 I use only 48V POE for my towers... and most of the new gear is not 
 48V.

 So now I'm looking for small 48V to 24V DC-DC converters...



 Dennis Burgess - Link Techs wrote:
> 3x is what is out.  The 133 and 133c's are EOL, as are the 532s, 150s 
> and for most part the entire 100 series boards.  Figure you will have to 
> start using 400s, 300, and 600s.
>
> We do have new cases, nice hinged enclousers and build to spec our 
> routerboard series. These will fit the 333's without issues.  We are 
> just getting ready to put up a dual-pol n-stream link with 600s, think 2 
> foot on one side and 3 foot dish on the other.   
>
> I'm sure we will post the information on our MT list...
>
> Scott Reed wrote:
>   
>> I understand you don't want v3, but I have been moving to RB333s with 
>> 3.x and have had no issues at all.  They boot faster and support more 
>> radios.  RB600 uses same mounting holes and daughter cards.  I have one 
>> 600 ready to install, but have none in production, yet.
>> I put up a POP with 3 333s on 3RC9 and they are still running on RC12.  
>> I should get them up to 3.6 or 3.7, but that takes time.  I have a 330 
>> running 3.3 that is doing great as well.  I have everything from a RB230 
>> running 2.8.x to 532s running all sorts of 2.9 along with the 330s.
>> At this point I think you are going to have to bite the bullet and start 
>> moving to 3.x and the newer cards.
>>
>> Mark McElvy wrote:
>>   
>> 
>>> Since RB532s are no longer available, what is everyone using to replace
>>> them? It would be nice not to have to replace the box again (using the
>>> 7x6x2's from wisp-router) and I am not quite ready to run v3 on my
>>> network. Any suggestions?
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] RB532 replacement...

[Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net]

Good idea!   :) 

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Blair Davis wrote:
> 2 reasons
>
> I've made it a point to make all my tower equipment use the same power 
> to eliminate the need to keep different spares on hand.  At one time I 
> had lots of different types of power supplies for different things. 
>
> And it is much harder to kill equipment by accident if they all use 
> the same power.
>
> one last thing...  I've never had problems with voltage drop on a 48V 
> system... no matter if the cable run is 50ft or 300ft.  I remember 
> having to pick the power supply vs the cable length before.  This, to 
> me, is a step backwards.
>
> I no longer replace just the board.  I have a standard build of board, 
> enclosure,static protection and so on...  we just undo the u-bolts, 
> disconnect the LMR and ethernet and swap.  We never open the 
> weatherproof enclosure in the air any more.
>
>  
> Travis Johnson wrote:
>> You have to replace the board (which means a tower visit) so why not 
>> just replace the PoE at the same time?
>>
>> Travis
>> Microserv
>>
>> Blair Davis wrote:
>>> My problems with the replacements is the power supply.
>>>
>>> I use only 48V POE for my towers... and most of the new gear is not 48V.
>>>
>>> So now I'm looking for small 48V to 24V DC-DC converters...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dennis Burgess - Link Techs wrote:
 3x is what is out.  The 133 and 133c's are EOL, as are the 532s, 150s 
 and for most part the entire 100 series boards.  Figure you will have to 
 start using 400s, 300, and 600s.

 We do have new cases, nice hinged enclousers and build to spec our 
 routerboard series. These will fit the 333's without issues.  We are 
 just getting ready to put up a dual-pol n-stream link with 600s, think 2 
 foot on one side and 3 foot dish on the other.   

 I'm sure we will post the information on our MT list...

 Scott Reed wrote:
   
> I understand you don't want v3, but I have been moving to RB333s with 
> 3.x and have had no issues at all.  They boot faster and support more 
> radios.  RB600 uses same mounting holes and daughter cards.  I have one 
> 600 ready to install, but have none in production, yet.
> I put up a POP with 3 333s on 3RC9 and they are still running on RC12.  
> I should get them up to 3.6 or 3.7, but that takes time.  I have a 330 
> running 3.3 that is doing great as well.  I have everything from a RB230 
> running 2.8.x to 532s running all sorts of 2.9 along with the 330s.
> At this point I think you are going to have to bite the bullet and start 
> moving to 3.x and the newer cards.
>
> Mark McElvy wrote:
>   
> 
>> Since RB532s are no longer available, what is everyone using to replace
>> them? It would be nice not to have to replace the box again (using the
>> 7x6x2's from wisp-router) and I am not quite ready to run v3 on my
>> network. Any suggestions?
>>
>>  
>>
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>>
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Re: [WISPA] RB532 replacement...

[Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net]

Nope, if your vendors have them, thats all they are getting. 

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Blair Davis wrote:
> I was told that while the 532 was EOL, the 532A would remain available 
> for a while yet...
>
> Mark McElvy wrote:
>   
>> Since RB532s are no longer available, what is everyone using to replace
>> them? It would be nice not to have to replace the box again (using the
>> 7x6x2's from wisp-router) and I am not quite ready to run v3 on my
>> network. Any suggestions?
>>
>>  
>>
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>>
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Re: [WISPA] uptime

[Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net]

I have a number of hotspot Mikrotiks up 200+ days.. I have seen some 
over 400 days too, usually we reboot them just to update software 
though. lol


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Eric Rogers wrote:
> Not nearly as impressive, but this is on a tower...
>
> Motorola Backhaul:
> Uptime   1y, 98d, 10:54:41
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
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> Behalf Of Travis Johnson
> Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 9:12 PM
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> Subject: [WISPA] uptime
>
> Hi,
>
> I just had to get into a Cisco 3512XL switch that we have installed in a
>
> commercial office building. While there, I happened to notice:
>
> Taylors uptime is 4 years, 13 weeks, 2 days, 2 hours, 36 minutes
>
> That's pretty amazing considering it's only on a BackUPS 350 (about 20 
> minutes of battery) and moves about 30Mbps daily. :)
>
> Any other uptime stats?
>
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> Microserv
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Re: [WISPA] Intel-based 4-port Fast Ethernet Card - StarOS

[Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net]

Well,

I am no Butch, but I do have a number of customers using BGP on GigE 
Connections.   I would say that in v2.12 - 2.29 ya, there were some bgp 
bugs and plus the implementation was not 100% ..  Most of v3 has been 
built from the ground up.  WebProxy for instance is awesome in v3. I 
do not know if it is different.

I know it will take to Zebra, Qugga and Cisco.   Also IPv6 Support for 
BGP is in there.

Also don't forget about Multicast and MPLS is also Available now.

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Mikrotik Certified Consultant
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Tom DeReggi wrote:
> Butch,
>
> I agree the MT graphical interface for configuring BGP, OSPF, and 
> stuff, is pretty nice.
>
> Can you tell us more about MT's BGP. Is it Quagga, GateD, or their Own?
>
> There had been reports that in the past, BGP was buggy on MT, but NOT 
> buggy anymore with more recent V3 code.
> I was just wondering because I was wondering about compatibilty with 
> other third party BGP implementations used by upstreams using 
> different platforms.
>
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>
>
> - Original Message - From: "Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 10:01 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Intel-based 4-port Fast Ethernet Card - StarOS
>
>
>> MT does BGP and Bandwitdh shaping. Much simpler to use compaired to
>> star, at least you get a graphic interface.N-Stream does the same 
>> thing.
>>
>> Dennis Burgess
>> Mikrotik Certified Consultant
>> www.linktechs.net
>>
>>
>>
>> George Rogato wrote:
>>> Ok
>>> What about Butch?
>>> Butch can maybe better define the difference between MT and Star as a
>>> router considering Star V3 which has been out for a while now. I see
>>> Butch on the Star forums, so I'm assuming he knows both quite well.
>>>
>>> Star does BGP and bandwidth shaping, it's done bandwidth shaping for as
>>> long as I can remember, and I started using it before it was known as
>>> star-os.
>>>
>>> It also does duplex, not sure if it's true duplex, but stars duplex 
>>> uses
>>> two radios, one to send and one to receive. Not sure how much of a
>>> difference it is between n stream.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> David E. Smith wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Not to be antagonistic, but rather to be better educated, let me 
>>>>> ask you
>>>>> this.
>>>>> What does MT do that Star doesn't do in the routing arena?
>>>>>
>>>> In terms of "just" routing and basic firewalling, the two are fairly
>>>> comparable. I'm putting more and more Mikrotik RouterOS in my network
>>>> because of all the nifty extra stuff it does better than StarOS (or 
>>>> that
>>>> StarOS doesn't do, period). Keep in mind my shopping list is based 
>>>> mainly
>>>> upon StarOS 2.x.
>>>>
>>>> * "Nstreme Dual," a proprietary extension that would be great for busy
>>>> backhauls (you put in two radio cards and have a full-duplex link, one
>>>> dedicated to transmit and one to receive at each side of the link) 
>>>> I've
>>>> never actually used this but it sure sounds nifty...
>>>> * the ability to act as both a client and a server for pretty much 
>>>> every
>>>> type of VPN out there (StarOS can do some of this, but it's limited by
>>>> comparison)
>>>> * BGP (this existed in StarOS 2.x, but was taken out of early 3.x
>>>> releases, I heard StarOS might be getting it back someday) and MPLS
>>>> * ridiculously extensive traffic shaping/queuing capability
>>>> * pretty GUI (this could be a plus or a minus, actually, as the SSH
>>>> interface to RouterOS is pretty blah while StarOS' console is quite 
>>>> nice)
>>>>
>>>> Ultimately, though, I'd say this sort of thing is about 95% personal
>>>> preference. For many basic jobs, both of 'em will work just fine; 
>>>> might as
>>>> well get the one with which you're more familiar.
>>>>
>>>> David Smith
>>>> MVN.net
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>

Re: [WISPA] Intel-based 4-port Fast Ethernet Card - StarOS

[Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net]

MT does BGP and Bandwitdh shaping. Much simpler to use compaired to 
star, at least you get a graphic interface.N-Stream does the same thing.

Dennis Burgess
Mikrotik Certified Consultant
www.linktechs.net



George Rogato wrote:
> Ok
> What about Butch?
> Butch can maybe better define the difference between MT and Star as a 
> router considering Star V3 which has been out for a while now. I see 
> Butch on the Star forums, so I'm assuming he knows both quite well.
>
> Star does BGP and bandwidth shaping, it's done bandwidth shaping for as 
> long as I can remember, and I started using it before it was known as 
> star-os.
>
> It also does duplex, not sure if it's true duplex, but stars duplex uses 
> two radios, one to send and one to receive. Not sure how much of a 
> difference it is between n stream.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> David E. Smith wrote:
>   
>>> Not to be antagonistic, but rather to be better educated, let me ask you
>>> this.
>>> What does MT do that Star doesn't do in the routing arena?
>>>   
>> In terms of "just" routing and basic firewalling, the two are fairly
>> comparable. I'm putting more and more Mikrotik RouterOS in my network
>> because of all the nifty extra stuff it does better than StarOS (or that
>> StarOS doesn't do, period). Keep in mind my shopping list is based mainly
>> upon StarOS 2.x.
>>
>> * "Nstreme Dual," a proprietary extension that would be great for busy
>> backhauls (you put in two radio cards and have a full-duplex link, one
>> dedicated to transmit and one to receive at each side of the link) I've
>> never actually used this but it sure sounds nifty...
>> * the ability to act as both a client and a server for pretty much every
>> type of VPN out there (StarOS can do some of this, but it's limited by
>> comparison)
>> * BGP (this existed in StarOS 2.x, but was taken out of early 3.x
>> releases, I heard StarOS might be getting it back someday) and MPLS
>> * ridiculously extensive traffic shaping/queuing capability
>> * pretty GUI (this could be a plus or a minus, actually, as the SSH
>> interface to RouterOS is pretty blah while StarOS' console is quite nice)
>>
>> Ultimately, though, I'd say this sort of thing is about 95% personal
>> preference. For many basic jobs, both of 'em will work just fine; might as
>> well get the one with which you're more familiar.
>>
>> David Smith
>> MVN.net
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] RB333 enclosures

[Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net]

You can also contact Jim Patient at Jeffco SOHO, at 314-565-6863  He 
has some great boxes.

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Jenco Wireless wrote:
> Hi Mac.  If the RB-333 is about the same size as the RB-600, I use the 14 x
> 12.  It's a little tight - I vent them myself so I can change the
> orientation - the RB would probably fit better the way they have them vented
> though.
>
> http://www.hyperlinktech.com/web/nema_enclosures.php
>
> -- Brad H
> (Jenco Wireless, LLC)
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 7:31 PM, Mac Dearman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   
>> Can anyone tell me what they are using for an outdoor enclosure for the
>> RB333? I just got my first order in and to my great dismay I found out
>> that
>> the PacWireless enclosures do not have sufficient room to place these in.
>>
>>
>> Anyone have a nice solution to share??
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Mac
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Re: [WISPA] Small generators - cheap or inexpensive?

[Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net]

The LP or Natural Gas is the way to go.  Normally, 100 lbs tanks are simple
and cheap, here around 60 bucks delivered.  It will run a generate for a
good number of hours.  A customer put in a 15k auto gen found it on e-bay
delivered for 2500 bucks!  Ran his NOC twice for 5-6 days each.  Has a 250
tank though for his home heat and range, but other than that, they came out,
hooked up and filled it without him getting out in the cold.  Ran like a
champ.  Keep in mind for this kind of money, it should have the auto start
and transfer switch, also, something to look for in a larger unit is a auto
test.  This unit once a week starts and runs for 5 min.

 

Something you can do with the Nat gas route, is if you have it near your
tower, just get them to hook you up.  Then, no gas to worry about, let'er
run!

 

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Link Technologies, Inc.

 

 

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Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 7:11 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small generators - cheap or inexpensive?

 

We had a similar experience.  We ran our site for 5 months on a combination
of batteries and generators.  I second the Honda EU and/or Yamaha.  They are
inverter based and do make a better sine wave, or cleaner power.

 

I also noticed we could run our site 8 hrs on a tank of 2.5 gallons on the
Honda 2000 EU, or we could run 8 hrs on a 5 gallon tank with a 5000 watt
larger generator.

 

You definately get what you pay for!!!   Get at least one Honda 2k (or
Yamaha) and then buy a couple backups of the cheap $150-200 generators.
Maintain all of them and you should do ok.

 

Thanks,

 

Eric Rogers

Precision Data Solutions, LLC

(317) 831-3000 x200

 

  _  

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Tim Kerns
Sent: Mon 2/18/2008 6:04 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small generators - cheap or inexpensive?

John,
We had to run for over a month on generator at the end of last year. (long
story but the place where we contract for one of our towers defaulted on
their loan and the bank took over it took over a month and a break in to
get the power restored).

My point was we used one of the 1000 watt generators from harbor freight,
the one with the Subaru engine. We ran this round the clock, the tank on
them will run about 5-6 hours depending on load. We took a 5 gallon can,
made a spout and connected this to the engine input, bypassing the tank.
This gave us plenty of run time, but still needed to refill daily. The first
generator lasted about 2 weeks before it was stolen (remember the break-in
above), we replaced with the same model and ran it for another 2 weeks.

I was really surprised at it's ability to last that long and expected it to
die after a few days. We found it did use oil and the automatic "low oil"
sensor did shut us down once. After that we added oil every 2-3 days.


- Original Message -
From: "John Valenti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 2:40 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Small generators - cheap or inexpensive?


>I was looking around for a method to keep at least my backbone
> running during an extended power outage. (we have had ice storms take
> out power for 4 - 7 days).
>
> It seemed like the small generators might be a solution, the Honda/
> etc name brand ones seem to be ~$600 for 1000 watts. And I found a
> company that sells Yamaha 1000W generators converted to dual fuel (NG
> or propane) for about $1000.  They also sell a 2400 watt generator
> that is triple fuel, gas/NG/propane that is tempting, even at $1600.
>
> But then I ran across some imported 2 stroke, 1000 watt generators.
> Harbor Freight has them in their catalog for about $150. I found a
> similar one in a local store that is on sale for $99.  The box says
> it will run for 8 hours on tank of gas (at half load, 1.25 gallons).
>
> These imported ones just seem like they are too cheap.  And I'm not
> too fond of 2 stokes. That Yamaha dealer warns that the cheap
> generators are only designed to last 150 hours - but maybe 150 hours
> for $100 isn't too bad a deal.
>
> Just wondering if anyone has thoughts or experiences on this issue.
> thanks
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] pppoe server, Redback capability of other solutions?

[Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net]

This is an area that MT has shown considerable interest in as well as have
several "GOOD" hardware products out there.  The 1000 is going to be a
contender.  Not as expandable, but with the price vs performance,  don't
think you can go wrong.  A non MT based product is the PoweRouter 732.
There are treads on MTs forums that list 2600 PPPoE sessions with one of the
processor cores on, moving 30 meg of traffic with power to spare.   

Plus both of these are industrial platforms designed to compete with Cisco.
The 732 has a MTBF of 100,000+ hours.  And I bet the 1000 is about the same.
There are hundreds of WISPs across the world that run MT as their cores
right now.  I think in the next year or two there will be some serious
contenders with MT based systems that will rival many well established
companies, yes like Cisco, and get a decent market share.  

The way I see it, the 732, can replace a 20k Cisco for 7% of the price.  But
as you said, lets not get started on a "yours is better than mine" war.  Not
the point of the conversation.  

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Clint Ricker
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 9:24 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] pppoe server, Redback capability of other solutions?

I admit that I'm biased against Mikrotik.  It's good for what it is,
but it's value is primarily in its price / flexibility.  It's not
exactly...telco/carrier grade, or however you want to put it.  It's
fine as edge gear, but, not what I'd put in a core role like this.

Perhaps in terms of getting it up and running, you may be quicker with
something that you know and have a good feel for--ie intel hardware
running Mikrotik.  However, in terms of reliability, uptime, and
scalability, (and I'd assume configuration options) Redback is the way
to go.  If you want something that is a little more flexible, go Cisco
(but, you'd pay more for comparable performance).  Price wise,
Redback's are very attractive and very easy to get spare equipment
for.

Plus, you get _good_ hardware.  Not "throw CPU cycles at it and keep
some extra boxes in the closet for when it chokes good"; I mean "swap
out failed power supplies / Ethernet cards / CPUs without any
downtime" sort of good.  Using PCs / Mikrotik is good when   you can't
get your hands on good gear at a reasonable cost.  That's not the case
in this situation...

-Clint Ricker
Kentnis Technologies

ps...Please don't turn this into a flame war :).  I realize people
here love Mikrotik, and it has its purposes.  However, in terms of
field tested performance and reliability for PPPoE, Mikrotik is a PC
based platform that has relatively few PPPoE deployments running under
relatively light loads whereas Redback had a really large install base
for high volume PPPoE termination and generally proved itself to be a
very solid and scalable platform.


On Feb 7, 2008 8:40 PM, Eric Muehleisen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Redback is untouchable in terms of PPPoE aggregation. Cisco is really
> the only other Router out there that is of Redback's caliber. We
> currently terminate close to 15,000 subscribers using a Redback SE 400.
> Attached is our current CPU usage.
>
>
>
> -Eric
>
>
> rabbtux rabbtux wrote:
> > All
> >
> > I'm in the process of moving over to another upstream provider.  I'm
> > working with them closely to get service to my county PUD system that
> > uses pppoe tunnels for virtually  all end user connections.   ( I know
> > that I can get a vlan, but the cost is prohibitive at the moment)
> >
> > So, I'm their first beta tester in my area and they have this used
> > Redback router.  First there were problems that were to be solved with
> > a firmware upgrade, now they have a hardware failure without a spare.
> >  I'm not familiar with this router at all, but discussed it with their
> > sysadmin.
> >
> > Apparently the need is for something that can handle 2000 sessions and
> > has full 100Mbps NICs and can support that speed. I'm not a pppoe
> > expert, but would a decent PC, with 4/8GB of RAM and mikrotik SW
> > installed handle something like this???  Butch?  or other MT experts?
> >  Or is this requirement way out of the MT league?
> >
> > For my own reasons, I want to get them going, promptly!  Any
> > suggestions are greatly appreciated!!
> >
> > Marshall
> > Rabbit Meadows Technology
> >
> >
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Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS

[Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net]

We did a 18 mile shot, dual n-stream with pre-release v3 dual pol antennas,
and got 35meg with -70 or so.   

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mac Dearman
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 5:09 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS

I haven't seen those results, but I have seen 12MbpsFDX with a -63 on both
sides running Nstream2. If we are going to talk REAL THROUGHPUT - - lets get
real and everyone use real figures. I ain't talking bench test and "maybe"
if I hold one hand in the air, twist my lips standing on one leg. 

 I mean real world - whatcha getting?? Whatcha see and is it a bench test or
are you in the real WISP world? :)


Mac







> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Dennis Burgess - Link Techs Inc
> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 2:51 PM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS
> 
> 50 both ways with N-Stream dual and Turbo mode...
> 
> Dennis M. Burgess
> Mikrotik Certified Consultant
> Link Technologies, Inc., St. Louis, Missouri
> --WISP/Network Support Services--
> +1 314-686-1302
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 2:46 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS
> 
> Mikrotik can do 70 megs or more over 40 MHz as well.
> 
> 
> --
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mark Nash" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 1:02 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS
> 
> 
> >I think it's alot easier to deal with Mikrotik as a router & wireless
> AP,
> > due to the interface and ease of configuration.  IP addresses, IP
> routes,
> > bridging, DHCP, DHCP relay...many many things are very easy to
> configure
> > in
> > the Mikrotik interface.
> >
> > That said...the hardware, and the Atheros wireless driver in
> StarOS... I'm
> > blown away.  Massive throughput & seriously low latency.  We've
> configured
> 
> > a
> > pair of WAR4-METROs in a PtP link with a SuperAG (40MHz) channel that
> has
> > been pulling 70megs aggregate.  There was a comment about how
> expensive
> > the
> > boards are... I don't think they're expensive at all.
> >
> > Mark Nash
> > UnwiredWest
> > 78 Centennial Loop
> > Suite E
> > Eugene, OR 97401
> > 541-998-
> > 541-998-5599 fax
> > http://www.unwiredwest.com
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "George Rogato" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "WISPA General List" 
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 10:10 PM
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS
> >
> >
> >>I won't hold you to it mac.
> >> As long as your running the latest V3 Star-os on all the radios
> involved
> >> bridging works perfectly.
> >> I have a mostly all routed network, but I do have a 4 bridged PtP
> shots
> >> that work just fine. They are the first hops out of my noc to my
> >> network, Downtime hasn't happened. Nothing has not worked and no
> flakey
> >> weird issues have cropped up. On PtMP, I have no idea because it's
> >> routed.
> >>
> >> Best price I can find is a star-os or now called Lucaya, wp188
> 533MHz 4
> >> port router that lonnie sells bundled with 4 23db cards in a
> >> weatherproof enclosure with power supply and poe. The price on that
> >> board if you pull out the cost of the cards etc is about 120-130.00.
> >> He's always running YSYL deals that is extra cheap.
> >>
> >> And it's 100% FCC certified.
> >>
> >> I haven't used MT, so I can't compare the two. I can only tell you
> what
> >> we have.
> >>
> >> George
> >>
> >>
> >> Mac Dearman wrote:
> >>>   Don't hold me to this, but I have been told from a very "super"
> >>> reliable
> >>> huge StarOS user that StarOS does not bridge well at all. If you
> are
> >>> counting on bridging from your client/cpe to the AP -- - - StarOS
> is not
> >>> an
> >>> option.
> >>>
> >>> Mac
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
>  -Original Message-
>  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>  Behalf Of Travis Johnson
>  Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 6:55 PM
>  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List
>  Subject: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS
> 
>  Hi,
> 
>  Anyone care to help "compare" a Mikrotik based bridged AP/CPE
> solution
>  to StarOS?
> 
>  Here is a quick list I have come up with. I would love to have
> everyone
>  add their thoughts...
> 
>  Mikrotik features:
>  graphical user interface (Winbox)
>  more features (Torch, etc)
>  more hardware choices (RB532, RB411, RB600, etc.)
>  Nstreme protocol
>  very reliable
> 
>  StarOS features:
>  FCC certified CPE
>  lower price
>  'Sync' feature (reconfigure all CPE from the AP side with a single
>  change, such as frequency)
>  OLSR

Re: [WISPA] pppoe server, Redback capability of other solutions?

[Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net]

We have tested 2600 PPPoE sessions with a PoweRouter 732.  This with ONE
core on only..  Plus, it includes 7 GigE interfaces.  Rackmount etc..

Dennis

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of rabbtux rabbtux
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 6:22 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] pppoe server, Redback capability of other solutions?

All

I'm in the process of moving over to another upstream provider.  I'm
working with them closely to get service to my county PUD system that
uses pppoe tunnels for virtually  all end user connections.   ( I know
that I can get a vlan, but the cost is prohibitive at the moment)

So, I'm their first beta tester in my area and they have this used
Redback router.  First there were problems that were to be solved with
a firmware upgrade, now they have a hardware failure without a spare.
 I'm not familiar with this router at all, but discussed it with their
sysadmin.

Apparently the need is for something that can handle 2000 sessions and
has full 100Mbps NICs and can support that speed. I'm not a pppoe
expert, but would a decent PC, with 4/8GB of RAM and mikrotik SW
installed handle something like this???  Butch?  or other MT experts?
 Or is this requirement way out of the MT league?

For my own reasons, I want to get them going, promptly!  Any
suggestions are greatly appreciated!!

Marshall
Rabbit Meadows Technology




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Re: [WISPA] Temporary Telescoping Mast

[Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net]

We started to do this.  Ended up stopping as everyone wanted to be that 30
foot higher, but when you built a 60 foot attached tower or 100 foot guyed,
it got expensive and then they did'ent want it. 

Better purchase, bucket truck.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of John Valenti
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 12:09 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Temporary Telescoping Mast

I just picked myself up off the floor ... pricing came back on the  
HurryUp mast:  $1750 list.  (this is from one of the Michigan dealers)
It looks very nice, but that seems excessive.

I looked at these last year, anyone see problems with this:
http://www.tmastco.com/TelepolePage.htm

Pricing is shown on the webpage (I always like that), about $115.

I would just be trying to hold a Lucaya M1208 at the top. They seem  
to imply you can add 10' via another pole, for a total height of 38'.



On January 31, at 11:09 PM January 31, Mike Hammett wrote:

> I certainly have access to those, but I was looking get a 50 foot  
> mast and
> was hoping there was a good solution for at least 30'.
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Test, Ignore

[Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net]

I was just setting up some mailing lists of my own!  lol.  I'm sure all 
will go well!

Dennis Burgess
Mikrotik Certified Consultant
www.linktechs.net



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Re: [WISPA] Akamai

[Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net]

I have known several people to use these and some have seen bandwidth 
savings.  MS updates is one of them.  Something to note, is that as 
George says, it can go both ways.  The key is to find out where people 
are going (YouTube) and ensuring that they will help accelerate that. 


George Rogato wrote:

There is possibly additional costs involved.

Not sure if Marlon is paying by the bit or dedicated or 95%, but 
Akamai also uses your bandwidth to reach other customers close to you 
from the servers they place on your network.


I think if someone was colocated in Seattle, they could maybe just 
peer with them. One way to avoid some bandwidth costs.


Anthony Lemons wrote:
Getting the Akamai servers installed on your network doesn't cost 
anything. They ship you the equipment free of charge and you just 
install it. More info can be found on their site:  
http://www.akamai.com/html/partners/network_partner.html


Anthony

At 11:34 AM 1/8/2008, you wrote:
I'm thinking of doing some kind of caching again too.  What's the 
cost for this type of thing?  We only service about 450 or 500 
broadband subs, using two different networks.  I'm not sure of the 
cost benefit these days.


thanks,
marlon

- Original Message - From: "Travis Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 9:39 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Akamai



We love Akamai... especially during big Windows Update periods. :)

We serve 12 school districts and they all seem to do their updates 
on PC's and servers during the same times (during school breaks) 
and the Akamai servers save us a ton of bandwidth and the customers 
get GREAT speeds doing the updates.


Travis
Microserv

George Rogato wrote:

Anybody have any experience with Akamai?

I'm thinking of adding some Akamai  servers to my network again, 
looking for opinions.


Thanks

George





 


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RE: [WISPA] Rackmount Mikrotik

[Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net]

Thanks for the vote there..   I do have Enterprise-Grade 1U RackMount
Mikoritks.  www.mikrotikrouter.com

Dennis


-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 7:53 AM
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Contact Dennis Burgess.  I know he has a high end MT box.


-
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> Has anyone found a good solid state rack-mount system for running 
> Mikrotik?
> In several areas, we are bottlenecked by the 532 boards and was looking 
> for
> something that would actually handle 100MB of throughput as well as a good
> amount of queues and VLANs.  Any pointers in the right direction are
> appreciated.  Thanks.
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RE: [WISPA] Wimax World , anyone going?

[Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net]

Yep. I will be there


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Subject: [WISPA] Wimax World , anyone going?

Im going to Chicago next week for Wimax World, anyone else going?

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** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA   www.ispcon.com **
** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT **
** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 **
** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at
http://www.ispcon.com/register.php **



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** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON 
**
** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA   www.ispcon.com **
** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT **
** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 **
** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at 
http://www.ispcon.com/register.php **


WISPA Wants You! Join today!
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