Re: [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

[Mike Hammett via Wireless]

No. 




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- Original Message -

From: "Sean Heskett via Wireless"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" , "Claude Aiken" 
, "Members" , "Trina Coffey" 
, "WISPA General List"  
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 12:58:17 PM 
Subject: [WISPA] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica 


I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for the safety of 
everyone. 


Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull out. 


I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think we should all 
pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer financially. We need WISPA and 
our members to be healthy and strong both physically and financially. 



https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference
 


https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw 


Best regards, 

-Sean 


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Re: [WISPA] Draft Items for August 1 FCC Meeting

[Mike Hammett via Wireless]

and to be reflected on 477, I believe you need to be the one billing for it. 




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From: "Claude Aiken via Wireless"  
To: "James Wilson" , "WISPA General List" 
 
Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2019 9:07:57 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Draft Items for August 1 FCC Meeting 

As long as it is phone service that reaches NANP numbers including X11 numbers, 
it counts as long as it is offered by YOUR company. Can be white label. 


Yes, has to be reflected on 477. 


We did a webinar last week on this topic, hope to post for members soon. 






 Original message  
From: James Wilson via Wireless  
Date: 7/21/19 9:55 PM (GMT-05:00) 
To: WISPA General List  
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Draft Items for August 1 FCC Meeting 



Is there some information about what is considered phone service? 


Can we just offer something like Ooma? Does this phone service need to be 
reflected in FCC 477? 


Is there a place to go for further information? 


Thanks! 


On Fri, Jul 12, 2019, 8:52 AM Mark Radabaugh via Wireless < wireless@wispa.org 
> wrote: 




There are two upcoming items on the FCC’s August 1st meeting on items that will 
effect all WISP’s. Please review the documents below. 


Short summary: 


477 Order - will revamp the 477 data collection process and information. 
Personally this is a good thing. 


RDOF - This is the next $20,400,000,000 (20.4 Billion Dollars) that will be 
spend to overbuild your network if you are not currently providing 25/3 service 
& phone. 


WISPA has time to meet with the commissioners and discuss up to the 25th. A lot 
of effort has already gone into making sure that both of these are fair and 
open to all providers, not just the Telco’s. There is no way to stop the feds 
from spending this money - it’s coming regardless of what we do. Both political 
parties, the administration, and the FCC all want to spend money on rural 
broadband. 


YOU HAVE TO DO YOUR PART to either position yourself to receive this funding, 
or prevent your competitors from getting it and overbuilding you. 


Mark 



Mark Radabaugh 
WISPA Policy Committee Chair 
419-261-5996 




Begin forwarded message: 

From: "Coran, Steve via PolicyCommittee" < policycommit...@wispa.org > 

Subject: [PolicyCommittee] Draft Items for August 1 FCC Meeting 

Date: July 11, 2019 at 5:48:29 PM EDT 

To: "' policycommit...@wispa.org '" < policycommit...@wispa.org > 

Reply-To: "Coran, Steve" < sco...@lermansenter.com >, < 
policycommit...@wispa.org > 



Just released, below are links to draft items of interest for the FCC’s August 
1 open meeting. We have the opportunity to meet with the Commissioners until 
the afternoon of July 25. Would appreciate the Committee’s input on these soon. 
Just released, and I have not had a chance to review these yet. 

DRAFT Form 477 Order + FNPRM: 
https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-358433A1.pdf 
DRAFT RDOF NPRM: https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-358432A1.pdf 

Stephen E. Coran 
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Re: [WISPA] SD Wan Solutions

[Mike Hammett via Wireless]

Normal mailman doesn't work that way. 

You'll need to login to your WISPA account and unsubscribe there. Unsubscribing 
through mailman's normal methods aren't permanent. 




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From: "nick nestor via Wireless"  
To: "Josh Luthman" , adm...@wispa.org 
Cc: "David Funderburk" , "WISPA General List" 
 
Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2019 3:17:34 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] SD Wan Solutions 


Unsubscribe 


On Wed, Jul 10, 2019, 3:09 PM Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > 
wrote: 



email adm...@wispa.org 





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On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 4:08 PM nick nestor via Wireless < wireless@wispa.org > 
wrote: 



What the hell guys, I've unsubscribed from this list over a dozen times. GET ME 
OFF THIS LIST!!! 


On Wed, Jul 10, 2019, 2:54 PM Mike Francis via Wireless < wireless@wispa.org > 
wrote: 





We have an in house solution we designed and have bene deploying for over 2 
years now. Have many clients and over 300 bank branches on it. 


John Michael Francis 
CEO & Entrepreneur 
JMF | Wavefly | DLI 
INC 5000 
CRN Fast Growth 
251-517-5069 



From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org < wireless-boun...@wispa.org > On Behalf Of 
David Funderburk via Wireless 
Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2019 2:44 PM 
To: wireless@wispa.org 
Subject: [WISPA] SD Wan Solutions 

Has anyone roll out a SD Wan solution, either hosted or 3rd party, that you'd 
share you experience here? We have a large customer asking us for a solution. 
I've read quite a bit about it but not implemented anything yet. 

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Re: [WISPA] SD Wan Solutions

[Mike Hammett via Wireless]

How have you unsubscribed? 




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From: "nick nestor via Wireless"  
To: "Mike Francis" , "WISPA General List" 
 
Cc: "David Funderburk"  
Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2019 3:07:12 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] SD Wan Solutions 


What the hell guys, I've unsubscribed from this list over a dozen times. GET ME 
OFF THIS LIST!!! 


On Wed, Jul 10, 2019, 2:54 PM Mike Francis via Wireless < wireless@wispa.org > 
wrote: 





We have an in house solution we designed and have bene deploying for over 2 
years now. Have many clients and over 300 bank branches on it. 


John Michael Francis 
CEO & Entrepreneur 
JMF | Wavefly | DLI 
INC 5000 
CRN Fast Growth 
251-517-5069 



From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org < wireless-boun...@wispa.org > On Behalf Of 
David Funderburk via Wireless 
Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2019 2:44 PM 
To: wireless@wispa.org 
Subject: [WISPA] SD Wan Solutions 

Has anyone roll out a SD Wan solution, either hosted or 3rd party, that you'd 
share you experience here? We have a large customer asking us for a solution. 
I've read quite a bit about it but not implemented anything yet. 

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David Funderburk 
GlobalVision 
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For Technical Support, please email gv-supp...@globalvision.net . 

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Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution

[Mike Hammett]

But it's not their job. I'm not asking them to do my laundry either. 

That's the responsibility of whatever is feeding data to Authorize.Net\IP Pay. 




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From: "ralph"  
To: "WISPA General List"  
Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2018 7:56:45 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution 



If you haven’t heard of that, Mike, then you haven’t used Authorize.net. 

It IS IP Pay’s responsibility to listen to the customer’s needs. If they want 
to stand out, then they will also adjust to and meet those needs. They should 
at LEAST provide a similar level of service to Authorize.net. Like I said, we 
are small and things like that help a LOT! 

Otherwise the customer leaves. Maybe one day they will understand that they 
need to be flexible. And it looks like I am not the only one with similar 
views. 

Ralph 




From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Mike Hammett 
Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2018 6:58 PM 
To: WISPA General List  
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution 


It's not IP Pay's responsibility to do that. That's WiFiRush's responsibility. 
I've never heard of the credit card processor being involved at that level. 



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From: "ralph" < ralphli...@bsrg.org > 
To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > 
Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2018 10:46:46 AM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution 
I will tell you my issue with IP Pay. 

We aren’t large. Our network runs like a giant Hotspot and most customers pay 
monthly when their time runs out.. Our billing solution(WiFiRush) uses 
Authorize.net. Authorize.net sends a payment receipt with transaction number, 
etc. to the Email address the customer provides. I also receive a copy, which 
is automatically sent to a folder that is only used in case there is a 
catastrophic failure of something and all billing records get lost. 

IP Pay is inflexible and refuses to do that. They want my system to send the 
receipt to the customer, which it does not. They also say that I must manually 
look up records of any past transactions in their web site. This is cumbersome 
and (for me) it is much easier to search for the customer name in my backup 
receipts that were Emailed. I seldom need them but it is good to know they are 
there. 

I once almost started using them but this issue stopped the show. Unfortunately 
they started billing me a monthly fee even though I never officially started 
using them and never processed any transactions at all. It was a lot of 
difficulty to make them stop charging me. 

If they would simply send the receipts, like Authorize.net does, I would 
probably switch to them since they are supposedly “ISP Friendly”. I can’t 
believe this is not an option of theirs! 

Ralph 



From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [ mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On 
Behalf Of Mike Hammett 
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 9:01 AM 
To: WISPA General List < wireless@wispa.org > 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution 


I think you need to re-visit IP Pay, Propay, etc. for current quotes. Stripe 
absolutely is more expensive. 



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From: "Josh Richesin" < j...@surelinebroadband.com > 
To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > 
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 4:25:00 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution 
Agreed! 


Josh Richesin 
Phone: (541) 699-0030 | Fax (541) 526-0988 
j...@surelinebroadband.com 
www.surelinebroadband.com 
596 SW 4 th Street | Mail: 380 SW 5 th Street 
Madras, OR 97741 



From: < wireless-boun...@wispa.org > on behalf of Brett A Mansfield < 
li...@silverlakeinternet.com > 
Reply-To: WISPA General List < wireless@wispa.org > 
Date: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 at 2:20 PM 
To: WISPA General List < wireless@wispa.org > 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution 

Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution

[Mike Hammett]

Do not write credit card anything on paper. Stay away from ever seeing a credit 
card. 




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- Original Message -

From: "Jan-OOLLC"  
To: wireless@wispa.org 
Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2018 1:15:21 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution 


I stopped IPPay for some of the same reasons as Ralph and that they would not 
provide the name of the customer who bumped their bill by claiming they didn't 
know who we were after all of our ippay customers had been on the system for a 
year or more. Plus they charged me for the transaction including a fee so a $50 
loss became a $135 bill. With service like that, who needs them? I went to a 
double entry system, write all transactions manually on paper and used the 
Wispmon.com (which can use IPPay too) and they keep records in their database. 
They are now known as https://sonar.software/ . They have a fully WISP centered 
system with maps, ticketing, sales, FCC registering, fresnel testing, parts 
inventory, parts sales and too much more to list here. 


JV 


On 02/03/2018 09:00 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote: 



We use stripe and ippay in our network. Hands down I prefer Stripe. IPPay gets 
the job done - but it is cumbersome, not flexible and requires a root canal and 
DNA check to get setup. 

On Feb 3, 2018, at 11:46, ralph < ralphli...@bsrg.org > wrote: 






I will tell you my issue with IP Pay. 

We aren’t large. Our network runs like a giant Hotspot and most customers pay 
monthly when their time runs out.. Our billing solution(WiFiRush) uses 
Authorize.net . Authorize.net sends a payment receipt with transaction number, 
etc. to the Email address the customer provides. I also receive a copy, which 
is automatically sent to a folder that is only used in case there is a 
catastrophic failure of something and all billing records get lost. 

IP Pay is inflexible and refuses to do that. They want my system to send the 
receipt to the customer, which it does not. They also say that I must manually 
look up records of any past transactions in their web site. This is cumbersome 
and (for me) it is much easier to search for the customer name in my backup 
receipts that were Emailed. I seldom need them but it is good to know they are 
there. 

I once almost started using them but this issue stopped the show. Unfortunately 
they started billing me a monthly fee even though I never officially started 
using them and never processed any transactions at all. It was a lot of 
difficulty to make them stop charging me. 

If they would simply send the receipts, like Authorize.net does, I would 
probably switch to them since they are supposedly “ISP Friendly”. I can’t 
believe this is not an option of theirs! 

Ralph 



From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [ mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On 
Behalf Of Mike Hammett 
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 9:01 AM 
To: WISPA General List < wireless@wispa.org > 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution 


I think you need to re-visit IP Pay, Propay, etc. for current quotes. Stripe 
absolutely is more expensive. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

- Original Message -


From: "Josh Richesin" < j...@surelinebroadband.com > 
To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > 
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 4:25:00 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution 
Agreed! 


Josh Richesin 
Phone: (541) 699-0030 | Fax (541) 526-0988 
j...@surelinebroadband.com 
www.surelinebroadband.com 
596 SW 4 th Street | Mail: 380 SW 5 th Street 
Madras, OR 97741 



From: < wireless-boun...@wispa.org > on behalf of Brett A Mansfield < 
li...@silverlakeinternet.com > 
Reply-To: WISPA General List < wireless@wispa.org > 
Date: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 at 2:20 PM 
To: WISPA General List < wireless@wispa.org > 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution 


Still lower than the quotes I got from all the others. Plus, it’s easier to 
configure, manage, use, etc. 

Thank you, 

Brett A Mansfield 


On Jan 17, 2018, at 3:07 PM, Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > 
wrote: 




Only 50% higher, geez. 








Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 


On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 5:06 PM, Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > 
wrote: 




Stripe's published pricing is way above the ISP-focused providers. 



- 
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Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

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From: "Brett A Mansfield" < li...@silverlakeinternet.com > 
To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > 
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 3:56:49 PM 



Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution 

I pay less with Stripe than I would with all of those. Plus, stipe includes 
free 

Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution

[Mike Hammett]

In what way would Stripe be better? I like at people that use Stripe like the 
people that get their automotive parts from Walmart. Yeah, you could, but... 




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Midwest Internet Exchange 

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- Original Message -

From: "Matt Hoppes"  
To: "WISPA General List"  
Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2018 11:54:07 AM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution 



Exactly. Stripe has very very nice records of every thing. Very user friendly 
web and app. 


IPpay is like the Big Mac truck in Africa from 1985. Yeah. It does its job. But 
it’s not pretty. 


Stripe is like the hot new Tesla pickup. Maybe it costs just a tad more. But 
it’s way better, IMHO. 

On Feb 3, 2018, at 12:37, Jeff Evans < jev...@pennwisp.com > wrote: 





CTI (IP Pay) is generally not flexible and not all that ISP friendly IMHO. 
Although I do use IP PAY integrated with VISP and have no issues with it other 
than what you describe in looking up transactions. 


Jeff 


On 2/3/2018 11:46 AM, ralph wrote: 




I will tell you my issue with IP Pay. 

We aren’t large. Our network runs like a giant Hotspot and most customers pay 
monthly when their time runs out.. Our billing solution(WiFiRush) uses 
Authorize.net . Authorize.net sends a payment receipt with transaction number, 
etc. to the Email address the customer provides. I also receive a copy, which 
is automatically sent to a folder that is only used in case there is a 
catastrophic failure of something and all billing records get lost. 

IP Pay is inflexible and refuses to do that. They want my system to send the 
receipt to the customer, which it does not. They also say that I must manually 
look up records of any past transactions in their web site. This is cumbersome 
and (for me) it is much easier to search for the customer name in my backup 
receipts that were Emailed. I seldom need them but it is good to know they are 
there. 

I once almost started using them but this issue stopped the show. Unfortunately 
they started billing me a monthly fee even though I never officially started 
using them and never processed any transactions at all. It was a lot of 
difficulty to make them stop charging me. 

If they would simply send the receipts, like Authorize.net does, I would 
probably switch to them since they are supposedly “ISP Friendly”. I can’t 
believe this is not an option of theirs! 

Ralph 



From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [ mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On 
Behalf Of Mike Hammett 
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 9:01 AM 
To: WISPA General List  
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution 


I think you need to re-visit IP Pay, Propay, etc. for current quotes. Stripe 
absolutely is more expensive. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

- Original Message -


From: "Josh Richesin" < j...@surelinebroadband.com > 
To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > 
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 4:25:00 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution 
Agreed! 


Josh Richesin 
Phone: (541) 699-0030 | Fax (541) 526-0988 
j...@surelinebroadband.com 
www.surelinebroadband.com 
596 SW 4 th Street | Mail: 380 SW 5 th Street 
Madras, OR 97741 



From: < wireless-boun...@wispa.org > on behalf of Brett A Mansfield < 
li...@silverlakeinternet.com > 
Reply-To: WISPA General List < wireless@wispa.org > 
Date: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 at 2:20 PM 
To: WISPA General List < wireless@wispa.org > 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution 


Still lower than the quotes I got from all the others. Plus, it’s easier to 
configure, manage, use, etc. 

Thank you, 

Brett A Mansfield 


On Jan 17, 2018, at 3:07 PM, Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > 
wrote: 




Only 50% higher, geez. 








Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 


On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 5:06 PM, Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > 
wrote: 




Stripe's published pricing is way above the ISP-focused providers. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




From: "Brett A Mansfield" < li...@silverlakeinternet.com > 
To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > 
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 3:56:49 PM 



Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution 

I pay less with Stripe than I would with all of those. Plus, stipe includes 
free ACH now. 

Thank you, 

Brett A Mansfield 


On Jan 17, 2018, at 1:38 PM, Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




Less than IP Pay, Pro Pay, etc.? ISP-specific payment systems? 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




From: "Josh Richesin" < j...@surelinebroadband.com > 
To: "WISPA Gen

Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution

[Mike Hammett]

It's not IP Pay's responsibility to do that. That's WiFiRush's responsibility. 
I've never heard of the credit card processor being involved at that level. 




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Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

- Original Message -

From: "ralph"  
To: "WISPA General List"  
Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2018 10:46:46 AM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution 



I will tell you my issue with IP Pay. 

We aren’t large. Our network runs like a giant Hotspot and most customers pay 
monthly when their time runs out.. Our billing solution(WiFiRush) uses 
Authorize.net. Authorize.net sends a payment receipt with transaction number, 
etc. to the Email address the customer provides. I also receive a copy, which 
is automatically sent to a folder that is only used in case there is a 
catastrophic failure of something and all billing records get lost. 

IP Pay is inflexible and refuses to do that. They want my system to send the 
receipt to the customer, which it does not. They also say that I must manually 
look up records of any past transactions in their web site. This is cumbersome 
and (for me) it is much easier to search for the customer name in my backup 
receipts that were Emailed. I seldom need them but it is good to know they are 
there. 

I once almost started using them but this issue stopped the show. Unfortunately 
they started billing me a monthly fee even though I never officially started 
using them and never processed any transactions at all. It was a lot of 
difficulty to make them stop charging me. 

If they would simply send the receipts, like Authorize.net does, I would 
probably switch to them since they are supposedly “ISP Friendly”. I can’t 
believe this is not an option of theirs! 

Ralph 



From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Mike Hammett 
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 9:01 AM 
To: WISPA General List  
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution 


I think you need to re-visit IP Pay, Propay, etc. for current quotes. Stripe 
absolutely is more expensive. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

- Original Message -


From: "Josh Richesin" < j...@surelinebroadband.com > 
To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > 
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 4:25:00 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution 
Agreed! 


Josh Richesin 
Phone: (541) 699-0030 | Fax (541) 526-0988 
j...@surelinebroadband.com 
www.surelinebroadband.com 
596 SW 4 th Street | Mail: 380 SW 5 th Street 
Madras, OR 97741 



From: < wireless-boun...@wispa.org > on behalf of Brett A Mansfield < 
li...@silverlakeinternet.com > 
Reply-To: WISPA General List < wireless@wispa.org > 
Date: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 at 2:20 PM 
To: WISPA General List < wireless@wispa.org > 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution 


Still lower than the quotes I got from all the others. Plus, it’s easier to 
configure, manage, use, etc. 

Thank you, 

Brett A Mansfield 


On Jan 17, 2018, at 3:07 PM, Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > 
wrote: 




Only 50% higher, geez. 








Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 


On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 5:06 PM, Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > 
wrote: 




Stripe's published pricing is way above the ISP-focused providers. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




From: "Brett A Mansfield" < li...@silverlakeinternet.com > 
To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > 
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 3:56:49 PM 



Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution 

I pay less with Stripe than I would with all of those. Plus, stipe includes 
free ACH now. 

Thank you, 

Brett A Mansfield 


On Jan 17, 2018, at 1:38 PM, Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




Less than IP Pay, Pro Pay, etc.? ISP-specific payment systems? 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




From: "Josh Richesin" < j...@surelinebroadband.com > 
To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > 
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 2:07:03 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution 

Lower cost on the CC processing, also, our current system is built on that with 
tokens, so it would avoid us having to collect credit card information from all 
of the customers again. The first point being more important than the second. 


Josh Richesin 
Phone: (541) 699-0030 | Fax (541) 526-0988 
j...@surelinebroadband.com 
www.surelinebroadband.com 
596 SW 4 th Street | Mail: 380 SW 5 th Street 
Madras, OR 97741 



From: < wireless-boun...@wispa.org > on behalf of Mike Ham

Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution

[Mike Hammett]

I think you need to re-visit IP Pay, Propay, etc. for current quotes. Stripe 
absolutely is more expensive. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

- Original Message -

From: "Josh Richesin"  
To: "WISPA General List"  
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 4:25:00 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution 



Agreed! 


Josh Richesin 
Phone: (541) 699-0030 | Fax (541) 526-0988 
j...@surelinebroadband.com 
www.surelinebroadband.com 
596 SW 4 th Street | Mail: 380 SW 5 th Street 
Madras, OR 97741 



From:  on behalf of Brett A Mansfield 
 
Reply-To: WISPA General List  
Date: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 at 2:20 PM 
To: WISPA General List  
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution 


Still lower than the quotes I got from all the others. Plus, it’s easier to 
configure, manage, use, etc. 

Thank you, 

Brett A Mansfield 


On Jan 17, 2018, at 3:07 PM, Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > 
wrote: 




Only 50% higher, geez. 








Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 


On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 5:06 PM, Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > 
wrote: 




Stripe's published pricing is way above the ISP-focused providers. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




From: "Brett A Mansfield" < li...@silverlakeinternet.com > 
To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > 
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 3:56:49 PM 



Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution 

I pay less with Stripe than I would with all of those. Plus, stipe includes 
free ACH now. 

Thank you, 

Brett A Mansfield 


On Jan 17, 2018, at 1:38 PM, Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




Less than IP Pay, Pro Pay, etc.? ISP-specific payment systems? 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




From: "Josh Richesin" < j...@surelinebroadband.com > 
To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > 
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 2:07:03 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution 

Lower cost on the CC processing, also, our current system is built on that with 
tokens, so it would avoid us having to collect credit card information from all 
of the customers again. The first point being more important than the second. 


Josh Richesin 
Phone: (541) 699-0030 | Fax (541) 526-0988 
j...@surelinebroadband.com 
www.surelinebroadband.com 
596 SW 4 th Street | Mail: 380 SW 5 th Street 
Madras, OR 97741 



From: < wireless-boun...@wispa.org > on behalf of Mike Hammett < 
wispawirel...@ics-il.net > 
Reply-To: WISPA General List < wireless@wispa.org > 
Date: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 at 12:05 PM 
To: WISPA General List < wireless@wispa.org > 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution 



Why would you use Stripe? 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




From: "Josh Richesin" < j...@surelinebroadband.com > 
To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > 
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 2:01:30 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution 
If only they had stripe integration. 


Josh Richesin 
Phone: (541) 699-0030 | Fax (541) 526-0988 
j...@surelinebroadband.com 
www.surelinebroadband.com 
596 SW 4 th Street | Mail: 380 SW 5 th Street 
Madras, OR 97741 



From: < wireless-boun...@wispa.org > on behalf of Mike Hammett < 
wispawirel...@ics-il.net > 
Reply-To: WISPA General List < wireless@wispa.org > 
Date: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 at 11:59 AM 
To: WISPA General List < wireless@wispa.org > 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution 



Seems like the BMU was a solution to a problem that didn't exist in the first 
place. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




From: "Josh Luthman" < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > 
To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > 
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 1:26:40 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution 

I imagine it's for new customers or customers stuck in their ways. Everyone 
else running Powercode is already running the BMU and spending their time on 
other things instead of replacing what's already working. 








Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 


On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 2:24 PM, Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > 
wrote: 




It amazes me that it has taken them t his long to support MT in that fashion. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




From: "Josh Luthman" < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > 
To

Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution

[Mike Hammett]

Stripe's published pricing is way above the ISP-focused providers. 




----- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

- Original Message -

From: "Brett A Mansfield"  
To: "WISPA General List"  
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 3:56:49 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution 

I pay less with Stripe than I would with all of those. Plus, stipe includes 
free ACH now. 


Thank you, 
Brett A Mansfield 

On Jan 17, 2018, at 1:38 PM, Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > wrote: 





Less than IP Pay, Pro Pay, etc.? ISP-specific payment systems? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

- Original Message -

From: "Josh Richesin" < j...@surelinebroadband.com > 
To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > 
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 2:07:03 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution 



Lower cost on the CC processing, also, our current system is built on that with 
tokens, so it would avoid us having to collect credit card information from all 
of the customers again. The first point being more important than the second. 


Josh Richesin 
Phone: (541) 699-0030 | Fax (541) 526-0988 
j...@surelinebroadband.com 
www.surelinebroadband.com 
596 SW 4 th Street | Mail: 380 SW 5 th Street 
Madras, OR 97741 



From: < wireless-boun...@wispa.org > on behalf of Mike Hammett < 
wispawirel...@ics-il.net > 
Reply-To: WISPA General List < wireless@wispa.org > 
Date: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 at 12:05 PM 
To: WISPA General List < wireless@wispa.org > 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution 



Why would you use Stripe? 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

- Original Message -


From: "Josh Richesin" < j...@surelinebroadband.com > 
To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > 
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 2:01:30 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution 
If only they had stripe integration. 


Josh Richesin 
Phone: (541) 699-0030 | Fax (541) 526-0988 
j...@surelinebroadband.com 
www.surelinebroadband.com 
596 SW 4 th Street | Mail: 380 SW 5 th Street 
Madras, OR 97741 



From: < wireless-boun...@wispa.org > on behalf of Mike Hammett < 
wispawirel...@ics-il.net > 
Reply-To: WISPA General List < wireless@wispa.org > 
Date: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 at 11:59 AM 
To: WISPA General List < wireless@wispa.org > 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution 



Seems like the BMU was a solution to a problem that didn't exist in the first 
place. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




From: "Josh Luthman" < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > 
To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > 
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 1:26:40 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution 

I imagine it's for new customers or customers stuck in their ways. Everyone 
else running Powercode is already running the BMU and spending their time on 
other things instead of replacing what's already working. 








Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 


On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 2:24 PM, Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > 
wrote: 




It amazes me that it has taken them t his long to support MT in that fashion. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




From: "Josh Luthman" < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > 
To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > 
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 1:23:15 PM 



Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution 

Mikrotik BMU is still in beta. Pretty much everyone is currently using the 
Powercode BMU. 








Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 


On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 2:21 PM, Tim Reichhart < t...@nwohiobb.com > wrote: 


Brian 
Your still around the business? I haven't spoken to you in long while.. I 
was using iwisp.gr I just switched to powercode about week ago and my 
powercode isn't working due to miktroik bmu is still in beta and everytime I 
call into support I get excuses it just seems like powercode lacks the 
support for there software. If powercode doesn't get there act together I 
might be looking to switch to ubnt crm or sonar. 

Tim 



-Original Message- 
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On 
Behalf Of Alan Luelf 
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 2:11 PM 
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution 

We use Sonar. There is also powercode, Azotel, visp. 

Sent from my iPhone 

> On Jan 16, 2018, at 9:

Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution

[Mike Hammett]

Less than IP Pay, Pro Pay, etc.? ISP-specific payment systems? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

- Original Message -

From: "Josh Richesin"  
To: "WISPA General List"  
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 2:07:03 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution 



Lower cost on the CC processing, also, our current system is built on that with 
tokens, so it would avoid us having to collect credit card information from all 
of the customers again. The first point being more important than the second. 


Josh Richesin 
Phone: (541) 699-0030 | Fax (541) 526-0988 
j...@surelinebroadband.com 
www.surelinebroadband.com 
596 SW 4 th Street | Mail: 380 SW 5 th Street 
Madras, OR 97741 



From:  on behalf of Mike Hammett 
 
Reply-To: WISPA General List  
Date: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 at 12:05 PM 
To: WISPA General List  
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution 



Why would you use Stripe? 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

- Original Message -


From: "Josh Richesin"  
To: "WISPA General List"  
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 2:01:30 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution 
If only they had stripe integration. 


Josh Richesin 
Phone: (541) 699-0030 | Fax (541) 526-0988 
j...@surelinebroadband.com 
www.surelinebroadband.com 
596 SW 4 th Street | Mail: 380 SW 5 th Street 
Madras, OR 97741 



From:  on behalf of Mike Hammett 
 
Reply-To: WISPA General List  
Date: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 at 11:59 AM 
To: WISPA General List  
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution 



Seems like the BMU was a solution to a problem that didn't exist in the first 
place. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




From: "Josh Luthman"  
To: "WISPA General List"  
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 1:26:40 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution 

I imagine it's for new customers or customers stuck in their ways. Everyone 
else running Powercode is already running the BMU and spending their time on 
other things instead of replacing what's already working. 








Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 


On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 2:24 PM, Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > 
wrote: 




It amazes me that it has taken them t his long to support MT in that fashion. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




From: "Josh Luthman" < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > 
To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > 
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 1:23:15 PM 



Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution 

Mikrotik BMU is still in beta. Pretty much everyone is currently using the 
Powercode BMU. 








Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 


On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 2:21 PM, Tim Reichhart < t...@nwohiobb.com > wrote: 


Brian 
Your still around the business? I haven't spoken to you in long while.. I 
was using iwisp.gr I just switched to powercode about week ago and my 
powercode isn't working due to miktroik bmu is still in beta and everytime I 
call into support I get excuses it just seems like powercode lacks the 
support for there software. If powercode doesn't get there act together I 
might be looking to switch to ubnt crm or sonar. 

Tim 



-Original Message- 
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On 
Behalf Of Alan Luelf 
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 2:11 PM 
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution 

We use Sonar. There is also powercode, Azotel, visp. 

Sent from my iPhone 

> On Jan 16, 2018, at 9:22 AM, Brian Rohrbacher < br...@reliableinter.net > 
wrote: 
> 
> What do we got out there for billing solutions? My current one is not 
> working out. I've been using Freeside for a number of years now and I 
> liked it but they don't have any support staff left and seem to be 
> falling apart. I've been constantly requesting an SSL renewal for 45 
> days and they just can't get it done. It's beyond frustrating, time 
> consuming and embarrassing try to explain to hundreds of customers why 
> my payment site is not secure. I can't take it anymore. I need some 
> recommendations on whats out there. I want good support. I need a 
> solution with support. What's everybody using? What do you like and 
> dislike about it? 
> 
> 
> Brian 
> 
> 
> --- 
> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. 
> http://www.avg.com 
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution

[Mike Hammett]

Why would you use Stripe? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

- Original Message -

From: "Josh Richesin"  
To: "WISPA General List"  
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 2:01:30 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution 



If only they had stripe integration. 


Josh Richesin 
Phone: (541) 699-0030 | Fax (541) 526-0988 
j...@surelinebroadband.com 
www.surelinebroadband.com 
596 SW 4 th Street | Mail: 380 SW 5 th Street 
Madras, OR 97741 



From:  on behalf of Mike Hammett 
 
Reply-To: WISPA General List  
Date: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 at 11:59 AM 
To: WISPA General List  
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution 



Seems like the BMU was a solution to a problem that didn't exist in the first 
place. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

- Original Message -


From: "Josh Luthman"  
To: "WISPA General List"  
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 1:26:40 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution 

I imagine it's for new customers or customers stuck in their ways. Everyone 
else running Powercode is already running the BMU and spending their time on 
other things instead of replacing what's already working. 








Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 


On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 2:24 PM, Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > 
wrote: 




It amazes me that it has taken them t his long to support MT in that fashion. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




From: "Josh Luthman" < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > 
To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > 
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 1:23:15 PM 



Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution 

Mikrotik BMU is still in beta. Pretty much everyone is currently using the 
Powercode BMU. 








Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 


On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 2:21 PM, Tim Reichhart < t...@nwohiobb.com > wrote: 


Brian 
Your still around the business? I haven't spoken to you in long while.. I 
was using iwisp.gr I just switched to powercode about week ago and my 
powercode isn't working due to miktroik bmu is still in beta and everytime I 
call into support I get excuses it just seems like powercode lacks the 
support for there software. If powercode doesn't get there act together I 
might be looking to switch to ubnt crm or sonar. 

Tim 



-Original Message- 
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On 
Behalf Of Alan Luelf 
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 2:11 PM 
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution 

We use Sonar. There is also powercode, Azotel, visp. 

Sent from my iPhone 

> On Jan 16, 2018, at 9:22 AM, Brian Rohrbacher < br...@reliableinter.net > 
wrote: 
> 
> What do we got out there for billing solutions? My current one is not 
> working out. I've been using Freeside for a number of years now and I 
> liked it but they don't have any support staff left and seem to be 
> falling apart. I've been constantly requesting an SSL renewal for 45 
> days and they just can't get it done. It's beyond frustrating, time 
> consuming and embarrassing try to explain to hundreds of customers why 
> my payment site is not secure. I can't take it anymore. I need some 
> recommendations on whats out there. I want good support. I need a 
> solution with support. What's everybody using? What do you like and 
> dislike about it? 
> 
> 
> Brian 
> 
> 
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> http://www.avg.com 
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Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution

[Mike Hammett]

Seems like the BMU was a solution to a problem that didn't exist in the first 
place. 




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- Original Message -

From: "Josh Luthman"  
To: "WISPA General List"  
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 1:26:40 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution 


I imagine it's for new customers or customers stuck in their ways. Everyone 
else running Powercode is already running the BMU and spending their time on 
other things instead of replacing what's already working. 






Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 

On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 2:24 PM, Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > 
wrote: 




It amazes me that it has taken them t his long to support MT in that fashion. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 



From: "Josh Luthman" < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > 
To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > 
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 1:23:15 PM 


Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution 


Mikrotik BMU is still in beta. Pretty much everyone is currently using the 
Powercode BMU. 






Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 

On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 2:21 PM, Tim Reichhart < t...@nwohiobb.com > wrote: 


Brian 
Your still around the business? I haven't spoken to you in long while.. I 
was using iwisp.gr I just switched to powercode about week ago and my 
powercode isn't working due to miktroik bmu is still in beta and everytime I 
call into support I get excuses it just seems like powercode lacks the 
support for there software. If powercode doesn't get there act together I 
might be looking to switch to ubnt crm or sonar. 

Tim 



-Original Message- 
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On 
Behalf Of Alan Luelf 
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 2:11 PM 
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution 

We use Sonar. There is also powercode, Azotel, visp. 

Sent from my iPhone 

> On Jan 16, 2018, at 9:22 AM, Brian Rohrbacher < br...@reliableinter.net > 
wrote: 
> 
> What do we got out there for billing solutions? My current one is not 
> working out. I've been using Freeside for a number of years now and I 
> liked it but they don't have any support staff left and seem to be 
> falling apart. I've been constantly requesting an SSL renewal for 45 
> days and they just can't get it done. It's beyond frustrating, time 
> consuming and embarrassing try to explain to hundreds of customers why 
> my payment site is not secure. I can't take it anymore. I need some 
> recommendations on whats out there. I want good support. I need a 
> solution with support. What's everybody using? What do you like and 
> dislike about it? 
> 
> 
> Brian 
> 
> 
> --- 
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> http://www.avg.com 
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Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution

[Mike Hammett]

It amazes me that it has taken them t his long to support MT in that fashion. 




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- Original Message -

From: "Josh Luthman"  
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Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 1:23:15 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution 


Mikrotik BMU is still in beta. Pretty much everyone is currently using the 
Powercode BMU. 






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On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 2:21 PM, Tim Reichhart < t...@nwohiobb.com > wrote: 


Brian 
Your still around the business? I haven't spoken to you in long while.. I 
was using iwisp.gr I just switched to powercode about week ago and my 
powercode isn't working due to miktroik bmu is still in beta and everytime I 
call into support I get excuses it just seems like powercode lacks the 
support for there software. If powercode doesn't get there act together I 
might be looking to switch to ubnt crm or sonar. 

Tim 



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Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 2:11 PM 
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution 

We use Sonar. There is also powercode, Azotel, visp. 

Sent from my iPhone 

> On Jan 16, 2018, at 9:22 AM, Brian Rohrbacher < br...@reliableinter.net > 
wrote: 
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> What do we got out there for billing solutions? My current one is not 
> working out. I've been using Freeside for a number of years now and I 
> liked it but they don't have any support staff left and seem to be 
> falling apart. I've been constantly requesting an SSL renewal for 45 
> days and they just can't get it done. It's beyond frustrating, time 
> consuming and embarrassing try to explain to hundreds of customers why 
> my payment site is not secure. I can't take it anymore. I need some 
> recommendations on whats out there. I want good support. I need a 
> solution with support. What's everybody using? What do you like and 
> dislike about it? 
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Looking for a operator in South Dakota who can point us to Tier 1 PoPs near Aberdeen

[Mike Hammett]

"Tier 1" is not a useful term anymore. You're also not going to find the top 
carriers in Aberdeen. 

In Aberdeen, I'd be looking to SDN Communications. 




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From: "Benjamin Huang"  
To: wireless@wispa.org 
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2018 9:05:09 PM 
Subject: [WISPA] Looking for a operator in South Dakota who can point us to 
Tier 1 PoPs near Aberdeen 


Hey Guys: 


I have a customer who's looking for IP transit via a Tier 1's PoP in Aberdeen 
South Dakota. 


Anyone knows and operator in SD or any SD operators lurking who can point us to 
the right direction. 


Anything would be appreciated 


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Re: [WISPA] Network Neutrality talking points

[Mike Hammett]

Right. 




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From: "Vance Shipley"  
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Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 12:21:39 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Neutrality talking points 


... however if you agree that you'll save money on your upstream and want to 
install a shared cost, meet in the middle, peering with Netflix (Google, 
Amazon, Acme startup, ...) you've created a "fast lane" and are now the enemy 
of ignorant net neutrality advocates. 



On Dec 16, 2017 23:39, "Mike Hammett" < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




Correct. 

Netflix should not be entitled to free connections, but the ISP should see the 
advantage in doing so and accept. 




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From: "Vance Shipley" < van...@sigscale.com > 
To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > 
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 12:02:00 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Neutrality talking points 


"You" are an ISP of any size but think of the current context of a WISP. "They" 
are some party who wants access to your network subscribers. To begin with, 
when you get that call, it looks identical to a potential customer wanting to 
order a dedicated access solution which you are happy to sell them. Now they 
tell you "no, I don't want your upstream, I want to reach your subscribers". 


You (ISP) are free to say "no, you pay the same as everyone else" or 
alternatively you may think "this is Netflix (for example) asking, I will free 
alot of bandwidth from my expensive upstream peering which I pay $XXX for". You 
are (should be) free to make the business decision whether you want to absorb 
the cost of this connection in order to save costs elsewhere. 


Otherwise you (ISP) ignore them (wannabe Netflix like startup). 




On Dec 16, 2017 23:17, "Mike Hammett" < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




Who is who here? We need to keep the conversation clear. I know I started with 
some ambiguity. 




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From: "Vance Shipley" < van...@sigscale.com > 
To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > 
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 11:39:51 AM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Neutrality talking points 





On Dec 16, 2017 22:53, "Mike Hammett" < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > wrote: 



They wanted paid peering and they got paid peering. NN didn't have any effect 
on that. The FCC specifically said they didn't understand how all that stuff 
works and didn't regulate 




Sure they did. What would you do if a "customer" (from your perspective) said 
to you that they were special and you shouldn't charge them anything? 


A) you would ignore them, or B) you would give them a price. Either way it's 
your choice, at least it should be anyway. 





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Re: [WISPA] Network Neutrality talking points

[Mike Hammett]

Correct. 

Netflix should not be entitled to free connections, but the ISP should see the 
advantage in doing so and accept. 




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- Original Message -

From: "Vance Shipley"  
To: "WISPA General List"  
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 12:02:00 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Neutrality talking points 


"You" are an ISP of any size but think of the current context of a WISP. "They" 
are some party who wants access to your network subscribers. To begin with, 
when you get that call, it looks identical to a potential customer wanting to 
order a dedicated access solution which you are happy to sell them. Now they 
tell you "no, I don't want your upstream, I want to reach your subscribers". 


You (ISP) are free to say "no, you pay the same as everyone else" or 
alternatively you may think "this is Netflix (for example) asking, I will free 
alot of bandwidth from my expensive upstream peering which I pay $XXX for". You 
are (should be) free to make the business decision whether you want to absorb 
the cost of this connection in order to save costs elsewhere. 


Otherwise you (ISP) ignore them (wannabe Netflix like startup). 




On Dec 16, 2017 23:17, "Mike Hammett" < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




Who is who here? We need to keep the conversation clear. I know I started with 
some ambiguity. 




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From: "Vance Shipley" < van...@sigscale.com > 
To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > 
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 11:39:51 AM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Neutrality talking points 





On Dec 16, 2017 22:53, "Mike Hammett" < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > wrote: 



They wanted paid peering and they got paid peering. NN didn't have any effect 
on that. The FCC specifically said they didn't understand how all that stuff 
works and didn't regulate 




Sure they did. What would you do if a "customer" (from your perspective) said 
to you that they were special and you shouldn't charge them anything? 


A) you would ignore them, or B) you would give them a price. Either way it's 
your choice, at least it should be anyway. 





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Re: [WISPA] Network Neutrality talking points

[Mike Hammett]

Who is who here? We need to keep the conversation clear. I know I started with 
some ambiguity. 




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From: "Vance Shipley"  
To: "WISPA General List"  
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 11:39:51 AM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Neutrality talking points 





On Dec 16, 2017 22:53, "Mike Hammett" < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > wrote: 



They wanted paid peering and they got paid peering. NN didn't have any effect 
on that. The FCC specifically said they didn't understand how all that stuff 
works and didn't regulate 




Sure they did. What would you do if a "customer" (from your perspective) said 
to you that they were special and you shouldn't charge them anything? 


A) you would ignore them, or B) you would give them a price. Either way it's 
your choice, at least it should be anyway. 





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Re: [WISPA] Network Neutrality talking points

[Mike Hammett]

There is a lot of misunderstanding out there. 

You had to treat classes of traffic the same. All VoIP the same. All streaming 
video the same. All games the same, etc. 




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From: "Josh Luthman"  
To: "WISPA General List"  
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 11:26:24 AM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Neutrality talking points 


Legally there is. 


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Direct: 937-552-2343 
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On Dec 16, 2017 12:17 PM, "Marco Coelho" < coelh...@gmail.com > wrote: 



There is nothing wrong with prioritizing one type of service over another (VOIP 
vs FTP). It leads to a better quality of service for the end user. 
Where this was going sideways earlier was when the big ISP companies were going 
to charge Netflix and Hulu directly if they wanted priority on their backbones. 


On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 7:48 PM, Sean Heskett < s...@zirkel.us > wrote: 



Yes but do you prioritize vonage over ooma??? 



-Sean 


[Sent from mobile] 



On Dec 15, 2017, at 6:33 PM, James Wilson < ja...@ridgecomms.com > wrote: 





Don't we prioritize VoIP? 


On Dec 15, 2017 4:04 PM, "Josh Luthman" < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > wrote: 



This is fantastic. 


Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
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On Dec 15, 2017 3:53 PM, "Mark Radabaugh" < m...@amplex.net > wrote: 




For your use, re-posted from last week: 



Talking Points for WISPA Members on “Net Neutrality” and “Internet Freedom” 
December 2017 

Overview for WISPA Members 

· These talking points are not intended to be used proactively. WISPA is not 
taking a proactive role in advocacy on this issue, and we do not recommend that 
you do. 
· The intent is to help you be prepared for media and public inquiries if they 
do come in. 
· If you receive a query about your company’s position on net neutrality, or 
WISPA’s position, we encourage you to refer it to us to handle. Please send it 
to: 
o Dale Curtis, WISPA Communications Support, d...@dalecurtiscommunications.com 
· If you do choose to answer a media or public query: 
o Please let us know, preferably in advance; and 
o Please stick to this script; going off script could create problems for you 
and your business. 

General Tips 

· Any statements you make must be 100% truthful and backed-up with facts; so 
please don’t say anything that is untrue or unsupportable with facts. 
· If you don’t know the answer to a question, just say so. A convenient way to 
say it is: “I don’t know about that , but what I do know is …” 
· Don’t bring up other issues. 

Talking Points 

· Let’s be clear: We support a free and open internet. 
o We don’t block, throttle, or prioritize any content. 
o We disclose our terms of service in plain English. 
o We support robust privacy protections for our customers. 
o Those are the core elements of “net neutrality,” and we support them. 

· We believe you can have a free and open internet without heavy-handed 
regulation and enforcement that is ill-suited for small providers. 

· What was wrong with the way the internet was regulated up until two years 
ago? It worked well then, and it will again. 

· FCC regulations designed to treat all internet providers like large monopoly 
utilities – with open-ended and vaguely worded requirements, all subject to 
bureaucratic whim – are taking resources away from investment in under-served 
areas and diverting them instead toward lawyers and compliance consultants. 

· When our compliance costs go up because of government action, we either have 
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Re: [WISPA] Network Neutrality talking points

[Mike Hammett]

"Fast Lanes" were an idea posed by the anti-ISP crowd and then when the big 
ISPs started to catch on to that, the anti-ISP latched onto that as the next 
evil. 

They wanted paid peering and they got paid peering. NN didn't have any effect 
on that. The FCC specifically said they didn't understand how all that stuff 
works and didn't regulate it. 






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- Original Message -

From: "Marco Coelho"  
To: "WISPA General List"  
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 11:17:04 AM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Neutrality talking points 


There is nothing wrong with prioritizing one type of service over another (VOIP 
vs FTP). It leads to a better quality of service for the end user. 
Where this was going sideways earlier was when the big ISP companies were going 
to charge Netflix and Hulu directly if they wanted priority on their backbones. 


On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 7:48 PM, Sean Heskett < s...@zirkel.us > wrote: 



Yes but do you prioritize vonage over ooma??? 



-Sean 


[Sent from mobile] 



On Dec 15, 2017, at 6:33 PM, James Wilson < ja...@ridgecomms.com > wrote: 





Don't we prioritize VoIP? 


On Dec 15, 2017 4:04 PM, "Josh Luthman" < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > wrote: 



This is fantastic. 


Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
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On Dec 15, 2017 3:53 PM, "Mark Radabaugh" < m...@amplex.net > wrote: 




For your use, re-posted from last week: 



Talking Points for WISPA Members on “Net Neutrality” and “Internet Freedom” 
December 2017 

Overview for WISPA Members 

· These talking points are not intended to be used proactively. WISPA is not 
taking a proactive role in advocacy on this issue, and we do not recommend that 
you do. 
· The intent is to help you be prepared for media and public inquiries if they 
do come in. 
· If you receive a query about your company’s position on net neutrality, or 
WISPA’s position, we encourage you to refer it to us to handle. Please send it 
to: 
o Dale Curtis, WISPA Communications Support, d...@dalecurtiscommunications.com 
· If you do choose to answer a media or public query: 
o Please let us know, preferably in advance; and 
o Please stick to this script; going off script could create problems for you 
and your business. 

General Tips 

· Any statements you make must be 100% truthful and backed-up with facts; so 
please don’t say anything that is untrue or unsupportable with facts. 
· If you don’t know the answer to a question, just say so. A convenient way to 
say it is: “I don’t know about that , but what I do know is …” 
· Don’t bring up other issues. 

Talking Points 

· Let’s be clear: We support a free and open internet. 
o We don’t block, throttle, or prioritize any content. 
o We disclose our terms of service in plain English. 
o We support robust privacy protections for our customers. 
o Those are the core elements of “net neutrality,” and we support them. 

· We believe you can have a free and open internet without heavy-handed 
regulation and enforcement that is ill-suited for small providers. 

· What was wrong with the way the internet was regulated up until two years 
ago? It worked well then, and it will again. 

· FCC regulations designed to treat all internet providers like large monopoly 
utilities – with open-ended and vaguely worded requirements, all subject to 
bureaucratic whim – are taking resources away from investment in under-served 
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· When our compliance costs go up because of government action, we either have 
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Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality & bandwidth providers

[Mike Hammett]

Fair how? 




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From: "Vance Shipley"  
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Sent: Friday, December 15, 2017 9:43:31 AM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality & bandwidth providers 


Because it's the fair thing to do. As a neighbour I would greatly appreciate 
it. 


On Dec 15, 2017 21:05, "Mike Hammett" < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




Why? 




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From: "Rory Conaway" < r...@triadwireless.net > 
To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > 
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 11:04:43 AM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality & bandwidth providers 

I want to be able to throttle torrent users. Beyond that, I don't think it will 
affect us much in areas of high-competition. 

Rory 

-Original Message- 
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On 
Behalf Of Seth Mattinen 
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 6:57 PM 
To: wireless@wispa.org 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality & bandwidth providers 

On 12/10/17 2:44 PM, Chadwick Wachs wrote: 
> What are the current thoughts on the effects of net neutrality being 
> over turned on our bandwidth providers? I understand how the cable and 
> DSL companies may react but as a small WISP, I've been thinking this 
> will have little impact on us and our customers (since we don't intend 
> on changing our policies) but I may not be thinking about the bigger 
> picture enough. Perhaps my bandwidth and upstream fiber providers will 
> raise rates or charge premium fees for fast lanes to middle mile access. 


Nothing. It wasn't mayhem in the decades before 2015 and it won't suddenly 
become a problem now. The big guys are always going to try some crap until 
someone calls them on it, "net neutrality" or not. 

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Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality & bandwidth providers

[Mike Hammett]

Why? 




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- Original Message -

From: "Rory Conaway"  
To: "WISPA General List"  
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 11:04:43 AM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality & bandwidth providers 

I want to be able to throttle torrent users. Beyond that, I don't think it will 
affect us much in areas of high-competition. 

Rory 

-Original Message- 
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Seth Mattinen 
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 6:57 PM 
To: wireless@wispa.org 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality & bandwidth providers 

On 12/10/17 2:44 PM, Chadwick Wachs wrote: 
> What are the current thoughts on the effects of net neutrality being 
> over turned on our bandwidth providers? I understand how the cable and 
> DSL companies may react but as a small WISP, I've been thinking this 
> will have little impact on us and our customers (since we don't intend 
> on changing our policies) but I may not be thinking about the bigger 
> picture enough. Perhaps my bandwidth and upstream fiber providers will 
> raise rates or charge premium fees for fast lanes to middle mile access. 


Nothing. It wasn't mayhem in the decades before 2015 and it won't suddenly 
become a problem now. The big guys are always going to try some crap until 
someone calls them on it, "net neutrality" or not. 

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Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality & bandwidth providers

[Mike Hammett]

Net Neutrality never applied to anything other than mass-market consumer-facing 
services. 




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- Original Message -

From: "Chadwick Wachs"  
To: wireless@wispa.org 
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2017 4:44:34 PM 
Subject: [WISPA] Net neutrality & bandwidth providers 


What are the current thoughts on the effects of net neutrality being over 
turned on our bandwidth providers? I understand how the cable and DSL companies 
may react but as a small WISP, I've been thinking this will have little impact 
on us and our customers (since we don't intend on changing our policies) but I 
may not be thinking about the bigger picture enough. Perhaps my bandwidth and 
upstream fiber providers will raise rates or charge premium fees for fast lanes 
to middle mile access. 


How far reaching could this go? My hope was there is more competition in data 
centers for bandwidth so we won't see the games the last mile (cable & telco) 
providers might play with customers and content providers. 
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Re: [WISPA] Rantoul, IL provider

[Mike Hammett]

Check Wigi Wireless and Maxwire. 




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Midwest Internet Exchange 

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- Original Message -

From: "John Von Stein"  
To: "WISPA General List"  
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 2:30:07 PM 
Subject: [WISPA] Rantoul, IL provider 



Can anyone service this address? 



300 Twin Lakes Dr. 

Rantoul, IL 61866 




Thank you, 

John W. Von Stein 



QXC Communications | Internet, VOIP, & TV

4541 N Dixie Hwy 

Boca Raton, FL 33431 

Office: 561-288-6989 

DUNS: 07-9220254 

Federal Contractor CAGE Code: 7PES8 

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Re: [WISPA] CBRS Spectrum - PLEASE DO THIS TODAY, TOMORROW, and every day next week. It's time to ACT to save CBRS spectrum

[Mike Hammett]

WISPA has been talking about it loudly for at least four years? 




- 
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Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

- Original Message -

From: "Jan Van Kort"  
To: wireless@wispa.org 
Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2017 5:56:03 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] CBRS Spectrum - PLEASE DO THIS TODAY, TOMORROW, and every 
day next week. It's time to ACT to save CBRS spectrum 


no more 10-40? Sorry, don't know about part 90, who's been doing the informing 
anyway? Could that be why only 10 people seem to know about this? 


On 2017-12-06 03:41 PM, Sean Heskett wrote: 


currently only 3.65-3.7GHz is available to use under part 90. 


CBRS opens up an additional 100MHz from 3.55-3.65GHz and changes the 
3.65-3.7GHz from part 90 to CBRS 


The "citizens band” naming of CBRS is a poorly chosen name by the FCC and has 
nothing to do with the old “trucker” CB band. 






Sean Heskett 


ZIRKEL Wireless 
High-Speed Internet for NW Colorado 
970-871-8500 x100 - Office 
970-846-8065 - mobile 
866-903-4628 - Fax 

Website | Facebook 




On Dec 6, 2017, at 4:37 PM, Jan Van Kort < j.vank...@oregononline.net > wrote: 



I use that now, where does CBRS get tied to 3.6 equipment? I read the fcc blurb 
on cbrs and they didn't cover 3.6, only mentioned cb radios and 40 channels. 
Didn't know anybody still used that stuff, grew out of that 40 years ago. 


On 2017-12-06 03:05 PM, Sean Heskett wrote: 


CBRS is the 3.55-3.7GHz band (not 2.6-2.7) 


and yes there’s lots of equipment ready to use the band. cambium canopy and all 
the LTE vendors have product. 




Sean Heskett 


ZIRKEL Wireless 
High-Speed Internet for NW Colorado 
970-871-8500 x100 - Office 
970-846-8065 - mobile 
866-903-4628 - Fax 

Website | Facebook 




On Dec 6, 2017, at 3:58 PM, Jan Van Kort < j.vank...@oregononline.net > wrote: 



CBRS? is there any wisp equipment available in the 2.6-2.7Mhz band? Do you 
really think a Verizon schill in charge of the FCC is going to give a crap 
about what the citizens/tax-payers need or want? The only thing he might 
respect is a law-suit. Protests would only help him laugh. 


On 2017-12-06 02:12 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote: 


Too many mailing lists, and it doesn’t help that most of mine sort into the 
same folder so it’s hard to tell which list a given posting is on. 


I sent it to members just now. 



Mark 





On Dec 6, 2017, at 4:12 PM, Rick Harnish < rick.harn...@baicells.com > wrote: 



Mark, 

Just curious, why was this not posted to memb...@wispa.org . My experience 
tells me that this list is not populated with near as many people as the 
members list is. 


Respectfully, 

-  - 
Rick Harnish 

Director of WISP Markets 

Baicells Technologies North America, Inc. 
Mobile: (972) 922-1443 

rick.harn...@baicells.com 
www.facebook.com/baicells 




From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [ mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On 
Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh 
Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2017 4:11 PM 
To: WISPA General List < wireless@wispa.org > 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] CBRS Spectrum - PLEASE DO THIS TODAY, TOMORROW, and every 
day next week. It's time to ACT to save CBRS spectrum 





The feedback we are getting back from DC is that certain parties at the FCC 
noticed our #CBRS tags but didn’t think it was getting much traction. So… time 
to ramp it up. 



Mark 







On Dec 6, 2017, at 9:25 AM, Matt Hoppes < mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net > 
wrote: 




Do you really think this is going to do anything though? It's very easy to post 
something like this on Facebook, but I feel like it really doesn't have any 
actual affect. 

Kind of like some of the protesters we've seen in recent months and years where 
you have to ask yourself it's great that you have an opinion but is your 
protest really doing anything. 


On Dec 6, 2017, at 09:02, Mark Radabaugh < m...@amplex.net > wrote: 







You all screamed a month ago when the CBRS order came out and wanted to do 
something about it. NOW IS THE TIME, and very few of you are participating. 
Please follow the instructions below. 
This isn’t that difficult. If you can’t figure it out, ask the youngest person 
on your staff. 



The FCC is laughing at us - they know they sucked all the air out of the room 
with Network Neutrality and they intentionally timed the publication and 
comment deadlines for CBRS to bury them in the NN controversy and the holidays. 
And it’s working for them. 

PLEASE post comments on your business and/or personal accounts on Twitter, 
Facebook, and/or LinkedIn in support of CBRS. 


1) Be part of our Twitter campaign: Take a clear picture of a rural or 
small-town location near you that could be better served with fixed wireless 
and CBRS spectrum. Upload it to your social media account with language like 
the following. Be sure to tag WISPA, your Members of Congress, and

Re: [WISPA] CBRS Spectrum - PLEASE DO THIS TODAY, TOMORROW, and every day next week. It's time to ACT to save CBRS spectrum

[Mike Hammett]

You must be new here. 




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- Original Message -

From: "Jan Van Kort"  
To: wireless@wispa.org 
Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2017 4:58:56 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] CBRS Spectrum - PLEASE DO THIS TODAY, TOMORROW, and every 
day next week. It's time to ACT to save CBRS spectrum 


CBRS? is there any wisp equipment available in the 2.6-2.7Mhz band? Do you 
really think a Verizon schill in charge of the FCC is going to give a crap 
about what the citizens/tax-payers need or want? The only thing he might 
respect is a law-suit. Protests would only help him laugh. 


On 2017-12-06 02:12 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote: 


Too many mailing lists, and it doesn’t help that most of mine sort into the 
same folder so it’s hard to tell which list a given posting is on. 


I sent it to members just now. 



Mark 





On Dec 6, 2017, at 4:12 PM, Rick Harnish < rick.harn...@baicells.com > wrote: 



Mark, 

Just curious, why was this not posted to memb...@wispa.org . My experience 
tells me that this list is not populated with near as many people as the 
members list is. 


Respectfully, 

-  - 
Rick Harnish 

Director of WISP Markets 

Baicells Technologies North America, Inc. 
Mobile: (972) 922-1443 

rick.harn...@baicells.com 
www.facebook.com/baicells 




From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [ mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On 
Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh 
Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2017 4:11 PM 
To: WISPA General List < wireless@wispa.org > 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] CBRS Spectrum - PLEASE DO THIS TODAY, TOMORROW, and every 
day next week. It's time to ACT to save CBRS spectrum 





The feedback we are getting back from DC is that certain parties at the FCC 
noticed our #CBRS tags but didn’t think it was getting much traction. So… time 
to ramp it up. 



Mark 







On Dec 6, 2017, at 9:25 AM, Matt Hoppes < mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net > 
wrote: 




Do you really think this is going to do anything though? It's very easy to post 
something like this on Facebook, but I feel like it really doesn't have any 
actual affect. 

Kind of like some of the protesters we've seen in recent months and years where 
you have to ask yourself it's great that you have an opinion but is your 
protest really doing anything. 


On Dec 6, 2017, at 09:02, Mark Radabaugh < m...@amplex.net > wrote: 







You all screamed a month ago when the CBRS order came out and wanted to do 
something about it. NOW IS THE TIME, and very few of you are participating. 
Please follow the instructions below. 
This isn’t that difficult. If you can’t figure it out, ask the youngest person 
on your staff. 



The FCC is laughing at us - they know they sucked all the air out of the room 
with Network Neutrality and they intentionally timed the publication and 
comment deadlines for CBRS to bury them in the NN controversy and the holidays. 
And it’s working for them. 

PLEASE post comments on your business and/or personal accounts on Twitter, 
Facebook, and/or LinkedIn in support of CBRS. 


1) Be part of our Twitter campaign: Take a clear picture of a rural or 
small-town location near you that could be better served with fixed wireless 
and CBRS spectrum. Upload it to your social media account with language like 
the following. Be sure to tag WISPA, your Members of Congress, and the White 
House. 


Please keep it professional and do not criticize any FCC commissioners or other 
government officials; we need their support! You can identify your Members of 
Congress by visiting www.House.gov or www.Senate.gov , and their social media 
links will be listed on their websites. 


Twitter (no more than 280 characters): 


Dear @FCC: Here’s another area at risk of never getting broadband service if 
you change the #CBRS rules to favor big mobile carriers. Insert rural photo 
https://goo.gl/TKczyK [insert your member of Congress’s Twitter name here] 
@WhiteHouse @WISPANews 


Calling all WISPA members, WISP customers, and allies: Help us tell @FCC that 
the current #CBRS rules are helping to close the rural broadband gap and should 
not be tinkered with! https://goo.gl/TKczyK [insert your member of Congress’s 
Twitter name here] @WhiteHouse @WISPANews 


Dear @FCC: Don’t sink our hopes for rural broadband; keep the #CBRS rules! 
https://goo.gl/TKczyK [insert your member of Congress’s Twitter name here] 
@WhiteHouse @WISPANews 


Attention @FCC : Don't take away rural consumers' best hope for finally closing 
the broadband gap! Keep the #CBRS rules! https://goo.gl/TKczyK [insert your 
member of Congress’s Twitter name here] @WhiteHouse @WISPANews 


Hey @FCC -- Don’t leave rural areas behind by changing the #CBRS rules to favor 
the big mobile companies! https://goo.gl/TKczyK [insert your member of 
Congress’s Twitter name here] @WhiteHouse @WISPANews 


In the #CBRS

Re: [WISPA] CBRS Spectrum - PLEASE DO THIS TODAY, TOMORROW, and every day next week. It's time to ACT to save CBRS spectrum

[Mike Hammett]

Use Hootsuite to schedule the next's week's worth of posts all at once. Don't 
need to maintain it every day. 




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- Original Message -

From: "Mark Radabaugh"  
To: "Principal WISPA Member List" , "WISPA General List" 
 
Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2017 8:02:57 AM 
Subject: [WISPA] CBRS Spectrum - PLEASE DO THIS TODAY, TOMORROW, and every day 
next week. It's time to ACT to save CBRS spectrum 







You all screamed a month ago when the CBRS order came out and wanted to do 
something about it. NOW IS THE TIME, and very few of you are participating. 
Please follow the instructions below. 
This isn’t that difficult. If you can’t figure it out, ask the youngest person 
on your staff. 


The FCC is laughing at us - they know they sucked all the air out of the room 
with Network Neutrality and they intentionally timed the publication and 
comment deadlines for CBRS to bury them in the NN controversy and the holidays. 
And it’s working for them. 


PLEASE post comments on your business and/or personal accounts on Twitter, 
Facebook, and/or LinkedIn in support of CBRS. 


1) Be part of our Twitter campaign: Take a clear picture of a rural or 
small-town location near you that could be better served with fixed wireless 
and CBRS spectrum. Upload it to your social media account with language like 
the following. Be sure to tag WISPA, your Members of Congress, and the White 
House. 


Please keep it professional and do not criticize any FCC commissioners or other 
government officials; we need their support! You can identify your Members of 
Congress by visiting www.House.gov or www.Senate.gov , and their social media 
links will be listed on their websites. 


Twitter (no more than 280 characters): 


Dear @FCC: Here’s another area at risk of never getting broadband service if 
you change the #CBRS rules to favor big mobile carriers. Insert rural photo 
https://goo.gl/TKczyK [insert your member of Congress’s Twitter name here] 
@WhiteHouse @WISPANews 


Calling all WISPA members, WISP customers, and allies: Help us tell @FCC that 
the current #CBRS rules are helping to close the rural broadband gap and should 
not be tinkered with! https://goo.gl/TKczyK [insert your member of Congress’s 
Twitter name here] @WhiteHouse @WISPANews 


Dear @FCC: Don’t sink our hopes for rural broadband; keep the #CBRS rules! 
https://goo.gl/TKczyK [insert your member of Congress’s Twitter name here] 
@WhiteHouse @WISPANews 


Attention @FCC : Don't take away rural consumers' best hope for finally closing 
the broadband gap! Keep the #CBRS rules! https://goo.gl/TKczyK [insert your 
member of Congress’s Twitter name here] @WhiteHouse @WISPANews 


Hey @FCC -- Don’t leave rural areas behind by changing the #CBRS rules to favor 
the big mobile companies! https://goo.gl/TKczyK [insert your member of 
Congress’s Twitter name here] @WhiteHouse @WISPANews 


In the #CBRS spectrum band, c ensus-tract-sized PAL licenses are crucial for 
bringing broadband internet to rural customers. https://goo.gl/TKczyK [insert 
your member of Congress’s Twitter name here] @WhiteHouse @WISPANews @FCC 


Facebook and LinkedIn: 


Dear @FCC: Don’t leave rural areas like mine behind by changing the #CBRS rules 
to favor the big mobile companies! @Your-member-of-Congress : Please let FCC 
know your views! More info at WISPA.org : https://goo.gl/TKczyK 


Any of the above options will work as well. 




2) The “easy way”: Follow WISPA on these networks, watch for our posts, and 
then “like,” “retweet,” “share,” etc. We will be using the hashtag #CBRS. 


3) Down the road, we will ask you to contact your U.S. House and U.S. Senate 
members; be prepared to draft your company’s official comments to the FCC; and 
sign on to WISPA’s industry letters to the FCC and/or Congress. Stay tuned! 



FOR MORE INFORMATION: 
· Jimmy Carr, Chair of WISPA’s Legislative Committee, jc...@wispa.org 
· Mark Radabaugh, Chair of WISPA’s FCC Committee, m...@amplex.net 



Mark Radabaugh 
WISPA FCC Committee Chair 
fcc_ch...@wispa.org 
419-261-5996 

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Re: [WISPA] Wispapalooza - Where is the Gear Beef?

[Mike Hammett]

Cambium also announced their LTE line. Not physically, but made the 
announcement and gave background on it. Also, AC ePMP isn't exactly nothing 
spectacular. 

I do find all of hte announcements like a month before WISPAPALOOZA to be oddly 
timed. 




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- Original Message -

From: "Gino A. Villarini"  
To: wireless@wispa.org 
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2017 8:39:15 AM 
Subject: [WISPA] Wispapalooza - Where is the Gear Beef? 


It doesn’t seen that Wispapalooza is the new gear coming out party it once was? 
No new gear announced? Has the industry lost its shine? 


Nothing new from Mimosa 


UBNT just showing just another 5 ghz backhaul 


Cambium with just another backhaul too? And AC Epmp… nothing spectacular either 


Where is the new gear in 24 ghz? Multiband backhaul? (5,24,60), more 60 ghz? 
SFP ports? 



Gino A. Villarini 
President 
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 

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Re: [WISPA] Wispapalooza - Where is the Gear Beef?

[Mike Hammett]

"Just another 5 GHz backhaul" is the first on their new LTU (airFiber v2) 
platform. 



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- Original Message -

From: "Gino A. Villarini"  
To: wireless@wispa.org 
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2017 8:39:15 AM 
Subject: [WISPA] Wispapalooza - Where is the Gear Beef? 


It doesn’t seen that Wispapalooza is the new gear coming out party it once was? 
No new gear announced? Has the industry lost its shine? 


Nothing new from Mimosa 


UBNT just showing just another 5 ghz backhaul 


Cambium with just another backhaul too? And AC Epmp… nothing spectacular either 


Where is the new gear in 24 ghz? Multiband backhaul? (5,24,60), more 60 ghz? 
SFP ports? 



Gino A. Villarini 
President 
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 

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Re: [WISPA] NANOG71

[Mike Hammett]

Is Jason Hynds there? I think he's an ARIN fellow this time around. He was 
asking me about wireless. 




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- Original Message -

From: "Jeremy Austin"  
To: "WISPA General List"  
Sent: Monday, October 2, 2017 4:56:53 PM 
Subject: [WISPA] NANOG71 


Any WISPs at NANOG71/ARIN40 who want to talk wispish, hit me up. I’ll be here 
all week. 


Already met Werner from a South Africa, some cool stuff they’re doing. 




Cheers 
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Re: [WISPA] snowbird - seasonal packages & pricing

[Mike Hammett]

I just offer a discount commensurate to the amount of time a year they're gone 
and done. I donn't shut it off or anything. Too much work to keep track of. 




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- Original Message -

From: "Jeff Evans"  
To: "WISPA General List"  
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 10:11:51 AM 
Subject: [WISPA] snowbird - seasonal packages & pricing 

For those of you who offer this service, how are your packages 
structured? I can see 2 packages, one where the internet is actually 
not available at all and one where there is a minimal connection for 
home monitoring. I am interested in minimum terms of full package 
pricing and if you charge a minimum for the inactive period. 

Thanks in advance 

-- 
Jeff Evans, Managing Member 
PennWisp, LLC 
www.pennwisp.com 

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Re: [WISPA] Need resi service Carol Stream, IL 60188

[Mike Hammett]

My first thought is E-Vergent. 




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- Original Message -

From: "David Funderburk"  
To: wireless@wispa.org 
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 12:45:55 PM 
Subject: [WISPA] Need resi service Carol Stream, IL 60188 

Can anyone provide residential service this area in Illinois? 
Carol Stream, IL 60188 


Thanks 
David 
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[WISPA] Microsoft Update Thrashing Connections

[Mike Hammett]

It's Patch Tuesday, so I figured I'd pop in to remind people that have issues 
with Microsoft Updates to get packet captures of the problems at least one 
level upstream of whatever device is doing the rate limiting. When you have 
them, let me know so we can coordinate with whichever CDN and Microsoft to look 
into why it is happening. 

We're specifically looking for times when there are dozens of TCP connections 
open for the transfer or when the CDN is ignoring TCP norms and sending more 
bits than the customer is limited to. 




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Re: [WISPA] Hmm.. Mikrotik or Cisco...

[Mike Hammett]

No.Cisco is definitely not worth it at that price. 

Given my experiences with Cisco, I'm not sure Cisco is worth it at any price. 




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- Original Message -

From: "David Jones"  
To: "Principal WISPA Member List" , "WISPA General List" 
, "Mikrotik Users" , 
memb...@wispa.org 
Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 12:46:01 PM 
Subject: [WISPA] Hmm.. Mikrotik or Cisco... 


Good morning. 


I have a deep question for the Mikrotik people and the Cisco people. 


Let me give you an overview of where we are. 
Currently we have all of our tower sites using Mikrotik connecting to our core 
with MPLS/VPLS to our core that is multiple Mikrotik routers using VRRP (I had 
a core die from power supply failure and our network didn't skip a beet while 
it was replaced.) The VRRP core then connects to our edge that is a Cisco 
ASR1001-x that connects to our BGP peers. 


The reason we went with Cisco was because all the CCR Mikrotik Lagged horribly 
when doing BGP full tables. We had a Maxxwave router that did fine with the BGP 
but had crap interface support with Mikrotik not having good drivers for the 
interfaces. Different MTU for the MPLS caused problems. 


It appears that now with Mikrotik's CHR fixes the driver problems. the Virtual 
host deals with the drivers so Mikrotik doesn't have to. 


All has been fine for a few years... but now the Cisco has reset itself twice 
in the past week. For whatever reason a reboot on a Cisco = 15-20min down time. 
We are now needing a VRRP solution for the Edge. 


So here is the cross roads... Do we get another ASR1001-x and struggle for a 
while to get a form of VRRP to work between them? Or do we get something like 
this 
(https://www.amazon.com/Supermicro-SuperServer-5018D-FN8T-Rackmount-10GbE/dp/B01LXUATHB
 ) 

and keep it all Mikrotik for ease of training and use? 


We do not have much experience with Cisco. It takes us quite a bit to configure 
and change them. is it worth learning and paying the 12x the price for less 
throughput? 
Cisco ASR 1001 2.5gbps throughput = $6,680 
Cisco Licence for 10gbps throughput = $13,099 
Total for 1 Cisco router + Repair of current + 1 Spare = $41,558 


vs Mikrotik 
Supermicro SuperServer 5018D-FN8T + 16G mem + SSD = $986 

CHR 10Gbps upload per interface = $95 
Total for 2 routers + 1 spare = $3,243 


Is Cisco still the better option? would it be better to say use 3 MK routers in 
VRRP with one spare so 2 can fail and not be a problem? 

-- 


David Jones 
NGL Connection 
307-288-5491 ext 702 

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Re: [WISPA] Looking for opinions on a proposal for PTMP in 6Ghz Part 101 spectrum

[Mike Hammett]

There are $100 6 GHz radios now. I see them getting into the US space 
regardless. 

https://routerboard.com/RBSXTG-6HPnD 




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- Original Message -

From: "Seth Mattinen"  
To: wireless@wispa.org 
Sent: Monday, June 5, 2017 11:24:39 AM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for opinions on a proposal for PTMP in 6Ghz Part 
101 spectrum 

On 6/5/17 09:10, mike.l...@gmail.com wrote: 
> Another "lightly licensed" MAY work. But just another extension of 
> part-15 would be a cluster f*ck. 


Lightly licensed NN was a joke and should not be repeated. 

~Seth 
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Re: [WISPA] Looking for opinions on a proposal for PTMP in 6Ghz Part 101 spectrum

[Mike Hammett]

There are plenty of paths around here where you can't get any 6 GHz licenses in 
any meaningful capacity. 




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From: "Mark Radabaugh"  
To: "WISPA General List"  
Sent: Monday, June 5, 2017 6:04:18 AM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for opinions on a proposal for PTMP in 6Ghz Part 
101 spectrum 


The proposals protect Part 101 links using a database system. 


It’s curious that you would give up access to potentially >1000Mhz of clean 
mid-band spectrum because you don’t want your competitors using it. Given the 
current limited amount of spectrum available for PTMP use how do you propose to 
serve the demands of your customers without obtaining additional spectrum? 


You said “all licensed PTP links would be at risk”. I don’t believe that is the 
case here - we are only discussing 6Ghz which is largely used (in our industry) 
for long range legacy PTP links. It’s certainly important where it’s used at 
Mike Meluskey pointed out, but looking at the numbers the band shows pretty 
light usage. 


How much of the 6Ghz spectrum are you currently using for PTP links? 


Mark 






On Jun 4, 2017, at 8:45 PM, garrettshan...@vabb.com wrote: 


I think the 6Ghz band need to stay for PtP links only. As for band sharing I 
think that the need for reliable wireless back-haul far outweighs any benefit 
of moving the band completely to part 15. 

Use of this band for PtMP applications should not be permitted and all 
installations should require registration and professional installation. As for 
higher power and larger channels: I do think the band could use some updates. 
But not at the expense of the current links. 

We've seen the 5.1Ghz band fill in with noise almost as soon as certifications 
rolled out. I don't want hundreds of "Xfinity wifi" SSID's in 6ghz as well. 

While I don't think our company alone counts as significant opposition, you can 
count us as "significantly opposed". 


Garrett Shankle 
Senior Field Technician 
Virginia Broadband LLC. 
(540)-829-1700 



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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for opinions on a proposal for PTMP in 6Ghz Part 
101 spectrum 



+1000 

> On Jun 4, 2017, at 16:23, Seth Mattinen < se...@rollernet.us > wrote: 
> 
>> On 6/2/17 2:12 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote: 
>> I’m interested in opinions on how important 6Ghz PTP links are to the 
>> membership and for those who use them if there would be significant 
>> opposition to using the spectrum for Point to Multipoint. 
> 
> 
> I think that if the history of behavior with unlicensed is any 
> indication, then all licensed PTP links will be at risk of seeing 
> substantial interference by idiots and would be at high risk of being 
> forced offline. 
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Re: [WISPA] Looking for opinions on a proposal for PTMP in 6Ghz Part 101 spectrum

[Mike Hammett]

I can't imagine there's enough spectrum to do this. 




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From: "Mark Radabaugh"  
To: "WISPA General List"  
Sent: Friday, June 2, 2017 4:12:45 PM 
Subject: [WISPA] Looking for opinions on a proposal for PTMP in 6Ghz Part 101 
spectrum 


WISPA has been asked to participate in a wireless industry push to explore 
unlicensed use in the current Part 101 6Ghz spectrum. The idea is to increase 
the current Part 15 allowed power limits and to bring in UNII rules, along with 
additional mitigations currently under study (e.g., sensing, database) to 
protect incumbents. As there are no federal users (other than PTP) this would 
not require the ESC system of CBRS and is potentially considerably simpler to 
implement. 

The upside is significantly more spectrum availability in a high 
power/capacity/range band. The downside is some potential loss of geographic 
exclusivity and availability of new 6GHz Part 101 PTP links in exchange for 
greater reliance on the use of spectrum sharing mechanisms over time. 


I’m interested in opinions on how important 6Ghz PTP links are to the 
membership and for those who use them if there would be significant opposition 
to using the spectrum for Point to Multipoint. 


Mark 


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Re: [WISPA] Query to the group

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"FBI Surveilance [sic] Van 7"? 

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From: "Chris Stradtman"  
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Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 1:04:41 AM 
Subject: [WISPA] Query to the group 


Hi Everyone, 




I'm looking to this group to feel out the feasibility of an idea. 


I'm working with a project that is looking at doing a sort of "analytics". One 
of the possible things this would involve would 
be paying WISPs to collect data on a particular SSID (this SSID would be 
controlled by the project I'm working with, so this isn't going into 
any gray privacy grounds). The group would want to get the content of the 
beacons seen with this particular SSID(s). It could either be done through 
vendor equipment that would support it, or it could be done via a passive probe 
colocated with the WISP's gear. 


I thought I would float this idea out to the group to see how it is received. 


Thanks in advance, 


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Re: [WISPA] FCC tower lighting question

[Mike Hammett]

WISPA reported on this a while back. It was in response to some airplane 
crashes on towers that weren't required to be lit. 




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From: "David Williamson"  
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Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2017 11:05:07 PM 
Subject: [WISPA] FCC tower lighting question 



Can someone comment on whether this new ruling is going to pass or not: 

New FAA Marking Requirements May Impact Rural Towers Under 200 Feet 

A recently passed law, the FAA Extension, Safety, and Security Act of 2016 
(Act), will affect certain towers that are between fifty (50) and two hundred 
(200) feet in height by requiring that many of these towers in rural areas be 
marked and lit. The law, passed to protect agricultural aviators (crop 
dusters), will make rural towers previously not subject to Federal Aviation 
Administration (FAA) requirements more visible with painted markings and other 
visibility attachments. The Act also requires these towers to be documented in 
an FAA database. The FAA must issue regulations by July 15, 2017. As compliance 
with these rules may prove costly to wireless carriers, particularly where they 
are unnecessary, we are working with the Competitive Carriers Association (CCA) 
to create an exemption for communication towers. Your feedback on specific 
towers in your service areas is requested. 

Summary of the FAA Extension, Safety, and Security Act 

The term "covered tower" is defined in Section 2110(d) of the Act as a 
structure that: is self-standing or supported by guy wires; is 10 feet or less 
in diameter; is between 50 - 200 feet AGL; has accessory facilities on which 
equipment is mounted; and is located outside an incorporated city or town, or 
on undeveloped or agricultural land. The term does not include a structure that 
is: adjacent to a house, barn, electric utility station, or other building; 
within the curtilage of a farmstead; a utility transmission pole; a wind 
turbine with a rotor blade radius over 6 feet; or a street lighted maintained 
by a Federal, State, local or tribal entity. 

The Act requires that all covered towers constructed on or after the date on 
which the regulations take effect must be marked in a manner consistent with 
guidance under the FAA Advisory Circular issued on December 4, 2015 (AC 
70/7460-1L) or other guidance as determined by the Administrator. Existing 
covered towers, constructed before the regulations take effect, will have an 
additional year to comply with the new regulations. 

AC 70/7460-IL recommends that towers under 200 feet be painted with alternate 
bands of aviation orange and white paint. The band width should be equivalent 
to 1/7 of the tower height and the paint must be reapplied if it begins to 
fade. The Advisory Circular also recommends that high-visibility sleeves and 
aviation orange spherical market balls be installed on any outer guy wires. 

The new law also creates an FAA database of all towers covered under this 
provision. The database will contain location and height information of each 
Covered Tower. The FAA administrator will ensure that any proprietary 
information in the database is protected from disclosure in accordance with the 
law. 

Exemption Proposal and Input Request 

As mentioned above, we are working with CCA to create an exemption or carve out 
for communication towers. Based on meetings with Senate Commerce Committee 
staff, CCA is working to include in the exemption any tower possessing clear, 
visual cues such as bases, attachments, antennas, or any equipment critical to 
service. Other suggestions for exemption include temporary towers or CoWs, 
towers that comply with local zoning ordinances and/or National Historic 
Preservation Act, towers with an antenna array over five feet (5') in diameter, 
guy wired towers, and towers with antennas that have reflective material. With 
regard to the FAA database, an alternative proposal is to make a database of 
communication towers available to aviators for reference and not require those 
tower owners to mark their towers. 


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Re: [WISPA] Cambium 450, 450m, and epmp in 5.X GHz Comparison

[Mike Hammett]

Client on east AP interfering with west AP. 




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From: "Josh Luthman"  
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Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 11:45:14 AM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cambium 450, 450m, and epmp in 5.X GHz Comparison 


But they'll listen at the same time, too, from CPEs on the other AP. 






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On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 12:38 PM, Seth Mattinen < se...@rollernet.us > wrote: 


On 3/21/17 09:31, Marco Coelho wrote: 
> Those using the 450m, are you having to put anything behind the to 
> increase the F/B ratio instead of physical separation? 
> 


The sectors hearing each other isn't really an issue with GPS sync since 
they will all TX at the same time. 

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[WISPA] WISPAmerica 2017 Interviews

[Mike Hammett]

We think this is all of our 2017 interviews. If we interviewed you and you're 
not in this playlist, let us know. Hopefully it was just missed and not lost. 

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL56ppmTc2o705Up2oy5AGDISo2J0Ap1dN 




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Re: [WISPA] epmp 1000 in noisy environment

[Mike Hammett]

Well it was stupid on their part. 

They doubled the number of antennas for distributors to stock, while reducing 
functionality at a higher price. None of that makes any sense. Well, other than 
more revenue for them. 




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From: "Adair Winter"  
To: "WISPA General List"  
Sent: Monday, March 6, 2017 8:38:22 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] epmp 1000 in noisy environment 


picky picky picky. 


On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 8:36 PM, Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > 
wrote: 




No, I don't mean that. 

I mean a connectorized twist-port. That's a connectorized horn vs. a horn and a 
separate connectorized twist-port. That also means that you can't used 
connectorized radios with their other twist-port antennas. Also, it costs more 
this way. 

Connectorized 30* horn MSRP $220 
Twist-port 30* horn MSRP $120 
Most expensive twist port MSRP $44.90 

So $220 vs $164.90 for the convenience of no twist-port adapter. 

No easy swaps to different gains. 

No easy radio swaps. 



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From: "Adair Winter" < ada...@amarillowireless.net > 
To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > 
Sent: Monday, March 6, 2017 8:21:41 PM 


Subject: Re: [WISPA] epmp 1000 in noisy environment 


you mean like this? 
https://www.rfelements.com/products/antennas/symmetrical-horn-carrier-class/symmetrical-horn-carrier-class/
 ? 


On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 8:17 PM, Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > 
wrote: 




It's such a shame that they didn't just make a connectorized twist-port. That 
severely limits the platforms. 




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From: "Chadwick Wachs" < c...@auwireless.net > 
To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > 
Sent: Monday, March 6, 2017 2:44:37 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] epmp 1000 in noisy environment 


Carrier Class horn - uses pigtails (not a twist port). 

On Mar 6, 2017, 1:26 PM -0700, David Jones < d...@nglconnection.com >, wrote: 



Chad. what did you have to do to get the ePMP 2000 into a horn? do they have 
the adaptors for it yet? 


On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 11:02 AM, Chadwick Wachs < c...@auwireless.net > wrote: 




Tha antenna that Cambium sells to go with the ePMP 2000 is a 90/120 degree 
sector. The main sector is 120 degrees and you can add on a 90 degree “smart” 
antenna. We have one deployed with the 120 degree sector and the other 2000 AP 
uses a 60 degree horn. SNR is much better on the 60 degree horn but we keep the 
120 up as a fail over antenna for our other APs - otherwise it would get 
changed out to a 60 as well. 



On Mar 6, 2017, 11:01 AM -0700, Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com >, 
wrote: 



If you're in a noisy area spend the extra bucks to get the uplink improvements 
of the epmp 2000. It'd be a big mistake to not. 


I don't believe they do epmp2000 in 120*, so while your point is valid, I don't 
think this mistake can be made =) 






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Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 

On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 12:51 PM, Chadwick Wachs < c...@auwireless.net > wrote: 




2000 performs better than 1000. We have both deployed on a noisy tower and the 
2000 has better performance - but the 1000 is working. Get your antenna width 
as small as possible. A 120 degree sector is not your friend in a noisy 
environment. We are using 60 degree horns and that has really helped with the 
noise as well since the radio can’t hear as much. 



On Mar 6, 2017, 10:46 AM -0700, Marco Coelho < coelh...@gmail.com >, wrote: 





I was checking to see if anyone has some epmp 1000 experience in noisy 
environments. 
What have your experiences been? 


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Re: [WISPA] epmp 1000 in noisy environment

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No, I don't mean that. 

I mean a connectorized twist-port. That's a connectorized horn vs. a horn and a 
separate connectorized twist-port. That also means that you can't used 
connectorized radios with their other twist-port antennas. Also, it costs more 
this way. 

Connectorized 30* horn MSRP $220 
Twist-port 30* horn MSRP $120 
Most expensive twist port MSRP $44.90 

So $220 vs $164.90 for the convenience of no twist-port adapter. 

No easy swaps to different gains. 

No easy radio swaps. 



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From: "Adair Winter"  
To: "WISPA General List"  
Sent: Monday, March 6, 2017 8:21:41 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] epmp 1000 in noisy environment 


you mean like this? 
https://www.rfelements.com/products/antennas/symmetrical-horn-carrier-class/symmetrical-horn-carrier-class/
 ? 


On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 8:17 PM, Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > 
wrote: 




It's such a shame that they didn't just make a connectorized twist-port. That 
severely limits the platforms. 




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From: "Chadwick Wachs" < c...@auwireless.net > 
To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > 
Sent: Monday, March 6, 2017 2:44:37 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] epmp 1000 in noisy environment 


Carrier Class horn - uses pigtails (not a twist port). 

On Mar 6, 2017, 1:26 PM -0700, David Jones < d...@nglconnection.com >, wrote: 



Chad. what did you have to do to get the ePMP 2000 into a horn? do they have 
the adaptors for it yet? 


On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 11:02 AM, Chadwick Wachs < c...@auwireless.net > wrote: 




Tha antenna that Cambium sells to go with the ePMP 2000 is a 90/120 degree 
sector. The main sector is 120 degrees and you can add on a 90 degree “smart” 
antenna. We have one deployed with the 120 degree sector and the other 2000 AP 
uses a 60 degree horn. SNR is much better on the 60 degree horn but we keep the 
120 up as a fail over antenna for our other APs - otherwise it would get 
changed out to a 60 as well. 



On Mar 6, 2017, 11:01 AM -0700, Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com >, 
wrote: 



If you're in a noisy area spend the extra bucks to get the uplink improvements 
of the epmp 2000. It'd be a big mistake to not. 


I don't believe they do epmp2000 in 120*, so while your point is valid, I don't 
think this mistake can be made =) 






Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 

On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 12:51 PM, Chadwick Wachs < c...@auwireless.net > wrote: 




2000 performs better than 1000. We have both deployed on a noisy tower and the 
2000 has better performance - but the 1000 is working. Get your antenna width 
as small as possible. A 120 degree sector is not your friend in a noisy 
environment. We are using 60 degree horns and that has really helped with the 
noise as well since the radio can’t hear as much. 



On Mar 6, 2017, 10:46 AM -0700, Marco Coelho < coelh...@gmail.com >, wrote: 





I was checking to see if anyone has some epmp 1000 experience in noisy 
environments. 
What have your experiences been? 


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Re: [WISPA] epmp 1000 in noisy environment

[Mike Hammett]

It's such a shame that they didn't just make a connectorized twist-port. That 
severely limits the platforms. 




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From: "Chadwick Wachs"  
To: "WISPA General List"  
Sent: Monday, March 6, 2017 2:44:37 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] epmp 1000 in noisy environment 


Carrier Class horn - uses pigtails (not a twist port). 

On Mar 6, 2017, 1:26 PM -0700, David Jones , wrote: 



Chad. what did you have to do to get the ePMP 2000 into a horn? do they have 
the adaptors for it yet? 


On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 11:02 AM, Chadwick Wachs < c...@auwireless.net > wrote: 




Tha antenna that Cambium sells to go with the ePMP 2000 is a 90/120 degree 
sector. The main sector is 120 degrees and you can add on a 90 degree “smart” 
antenna. We have one deployed with the 120 degree sector and the other 2000 AP 
uses a 60 degree horn. SNR is much better on the 60 degree horn but we keep the 
120 up as a fail over antenna for our other APs - otherwise it would get 
changed out to a 60 as well. 



On Mar 6, 2017, 11:01 AM -0700, Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com >, 
wrote: 



If you're in a noisy area spend the extra bucks to get the uplink improvements 
of the epmp 2000. It'd be a big mistake to not. 


I don't believe they do epmp2000 in 120*, so while your point is valid, I don't 
think this mistake can be made =) 






Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 

On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 12:51 PM, Chadwick Wachs < c...@auwireless.net > wrote: 




2000 performs better than 1000. We have both deployed on a noisy tower and the 
2000 has better performance - but the 1000 is working. Get your antenna width 
as small as possible. A 120 degree sector is not your friend in a noisy 
environment. We are using 60 degree horns and that has really helped with the 
noise as well since the radio can’t hear as much. 



On Mar 6, 2017, 10:46 AM -0700, Marco Coelho < coelh...@gmail.com >, wrote: 





I was checking to see if anyone has some epmp 1000 experience in noisy 
environments. 
What have your experiences been? 


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Re: [WISPA] Active Ethernet switches

[Mike Hammett]

If anyone has used an EdgeCore switch, it's largely (if not completely) the 
same guts. They're both part of Acton (or however you spell it). 




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From: "Fred Goldstein"  
To: wireless@wispa.org 
Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2017 11:34:01 AM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Active Ethernet switches 


On 3/2/2017 11:27 AM, Bryce Duchcherer wrote: 




IgniteNet has some 24-port sfp switches. Havent tried them, don’t know how good 
they are. 


That's at the top of my list right now. It does everything I want and it's dirt 
cheap. But I don't know if anybody has actually tried them, so until we start 
hearing reports, it's literally very promising. Probably worth trying, if I get 
a chance. At that price ($500 for 24 ports) you can't go wrong. 







Bryce D 
NETAGO 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [ mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On 
Behalf Of Chris Fabien 
Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2017 9:24 AM 
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Active Ethernet switches 


There is a 10 SFP mikrotik switch... 



On Mar 2, 2017 11:22 AM, "Fred Goldstein" < f...@interisle.net > wrote: 




On 3/2/2017 10:54 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote: 



CRS series. As well. Depending on how dense you want. 229 bucks gets you a pair 
of 10 gig ports and 24 copper. ? 




I'm not looking for copper, except maybe a couple ports for the local 
connection; I'm looking for lots of SFPs, something that could be useful for a 
rural FTTP build, dropped into a pedestal somewhere in the middle of noplace, 
to feed a cluster of nearby buildings. MikroTik isn't in that space yet; CRS 
seems to be lots of copper. 




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Re: [WISPA] What my spies are talking about

[Mike Hammett]

Hah, I meant FPL. 




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- Original Message -

From: "Robert"  
To: "WISPA General List"  
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 9:23:35 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] What my spies are talking about 

Department of redundancy department? 

On 1/26/17 6:55 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: 
> Crown is just the latest in a series of fiber-related acquisitions Crown 
> has done. 
> 
> 
> 
> - 
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>  
> *From: *"Faisal Imtiaz"  
> *To: *"WISPA General List"  
> *Sent: *Thursday, January 26, 2017 8:40:46 AM 
> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] What my spies are talking about 
> 
> 
> 
> Just to add to that 
> 
> a) Take all what Brian said below, and add to it the fact that, in many 
> cities they are very quietly installing Micro-Pops, every few blocks, 
> fiber feed (essentially replacing street light poles with, poles which 
> are light poles and micropops). 
> 
> b) The noise and developments in LTE-U 
> 
> c) The very strange, over-priced acquisition of FPL-Fibernet by Crown Castle 
> 
> d) Relatively quite conversion, installation of GPON system on every 
> building that ATT had a Metro Ethernet presence in. 
> 
> e) Hype and noise about Gigabit fiber delivery, installation of fiber 
> based service in select areas, ATT Conversion of their select IFTL 
> neighborhoods to Gigabit fiber.. 
> 
> f) The rumblings about Cable Co's moving over the Docsis 3 
> 
> Granted that this is not ubiquitous across the nation.. but I can see 
> the competitive service providers could easily be starved out by the 
> choke hold on being able to deliver/buy/have access to fat pipe 
> especially in the middle mile. 
> 
> I think in most major metro areas the perceived minimum base level of 
> service offering is going to hit high triple digit numbers in terms of 
> bandwidth i.e. 200meg,300meg,500meg etc... we are already seeing 
> customer expectations / perceptions around 100meg. 
> 
> Regards 
> 
> 
> Faisal Imtiaz 
> Snappy Internet & Telecom 
> 7266 SW 48 Street 
> Miami, FL 33155 
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 
> 
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 
> 
> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Brian Webster"  
>> To: "WISPA General List"  
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 11:46:38 PM 
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] What my spies are talking about 
> 
>> Remember, Verizon bought XO Communications. XO has 24 GHz and 39 GHz 
>> spectrum over most of the country, so now Verizon owns that spectrum. They 
>> seem to be taking the same approach Windstream and Google are for last 
> mile 
>> connectivity, but Verizon owns the spectrum. Windstream is leasing 
> spectrum 
>> in these same bands from Straightpath (http://straightpath39.com/) and 
>> Google is looking to build in 70 and 80 GHz with E-Band licenses. All of 
>> the sudden the WISP industry looks good enough for the big boys to do it 
>> too. Cambridge Networks has PTMP radios for these bands already, 600 
> meg per 
>> sector. Hang them on the fiber at the pole and create a very small 
> cell type 
>> system. This will work great for backhaul on their Pico cellular network 
>> expansion for LTE/Cellular as well as a good tool for FTTH and Business 
>> class circuits. 
>> 
>> http://cbnl.com/vectastar-600 
>> 
>> http://cbnl.com/vectastar-platform-introduction 
>> 
>> 
>> Thank You, 
>> Brian Webster 
>> www.wirelessmapping.com 
>> www.Broadband-Mapping.com 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message- 
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Fred Goldstein 
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 3:19 PM 
>> To: wireless@wispa.org 
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] What my spies

Re: [WISPA] Second Block sold out

[Mike Hammett]

That did work, thanks. 




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- Original Message -

From: "Jeff Evans"  
To: "WISPA General List"  
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 7:07:29 AM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Second Block sold out 


I used the one on the Wispa / wispamerica page with success Mike. 


On 2/15/2017 7:44 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: 



Did a URL become available? 




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- Original Message -

From: "Trina Coffey"  
To: "WISPA General List"  , memb...@wispa.org 
Cc: "Principal WISPA Member List"  
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2017 4:15:28 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Second Block sold out 



You can begin calling in again. I should have a link for those of you that 
prefer that in a couple hours, but as the last set sold in 2 hours I am not 
sure I would wait. 

Crowne Plaza 
901-525-1800 



Respectfully, 

Trina Coffey 
Director of Operations 
WISPA 
260-622-5775 direct 
866-317-2851 ext. 102 (US only) 
530-227-6696 cell 
www.wispa.org 

Join us in Memphis, TN for WISPAmerica 




From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [ mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On 
Behalf Of Trina Coffey 
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2017 2:23 PM 
To: memb...@wispa.org 
Cc: 'Principal WISPA Member List'  ; 'WISPA General List' 
 
Subject: [WISPA] Second Block sold out 
Importance: High 

Well you guys are on your normal track to drive me cray cray…..this block is 
sold out!!! J 

Give me an hour or 2 and I will get some more. 


Respectfully, 

Trina Coffey 
Director of Operations 
WISPA 
260-622-5775 direct 
866-317-2851 ext. 102 (US only) 
530-227-6696 cell 
www.wispa.org 

Join us in Memphis, TN for WISPAmerica 




From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [ mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On 
Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller 
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2017 12:45 PM 
To: WISPA General List < wireless@wispa.org > 
Cc: Principal WISPA Member List < w...@wispa.org >; Trina Coffey, Director of 
Operations < tcof...@wispa.org > 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wisp] Rooms for Memphis show 




thought i'd actually reply using the right subject line 




i thought about getting a small house via homeaway or vrbo as i'm planning to 
bring six 

but i went ahead and booked in the new hotel. 

thanks Trina! 



Now to figure out if all six are actually coming or not 











- Original Message - 

From: Josh Luthman 

To: WISPA General List 

Cc: Principal WISPA Member List ; Trina Coffey,Director of Operations 

Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2017 11:26 AM 

Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wisp] Rooms for Memphis show 



26/night for valet 



But there is a church parking lot across the street 








Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 


On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 5:02 PM, Paul McNary < pmcn...@cameron.net > wrote: 



Trina does the Sheraton have free parking? 
Thanks 
Paul McNary 
pmcn...@cameron.net 




On 2/13/2017 3:44 PM, Trina Coffey, Director of Operations via WISP wrote: 





The room block is currently full. The Sheraton is also sold out on Tuesday 
night, March 14 th . 

I am currently trying to secure an additional block at another hotel close by. 
If you have not booked your room yet please be patient, I should have something 
later today or tomorrow. 

Please check back to the website for updates. 
http://www.wispa.org/events/WISPAmerica/addl_info/hotel 

Respectfully, 

Trina Coffey 
Director of Operations 
WISPA 
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Re: [WISPA] Second Block sold out

[Mike Hammett]

Did a URL become available? 




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- Original Message -

From: "Trina Coffey"  
To: "WISPA General List" , memb...@wispa.org 
Cc: "Principal WISPA Member List"  
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2017 4:15:28 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Second Block sold out 



You can begin calling in again. I should have a link for those of you that 
prefer that in a couple hours, but as the last set sold in 2 hours I am not 
sure I would wait. 

Crowne Plaza 
901-525-1800 



Respectfully, 

Trina Coffey 
Director of Operations 
WISPA 
260-622-5775 direct 
866-317-2851 ext. 102 (US only) 
530-227-6696 cell 
www.wispa.org 

Join us in Memphis, TN for WISPAmerica 




From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Trina Coffey 
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2017 2:23 PM 
To: memb...@wispa.org 
Cc: 'Principal WISPA Member List' ; 'WISPA General List' 
 
Subject: [WISPA] Second Block sold out 
Importance: High 

Well you guys are on your normal track to drive me cray cray…..this block is 
sold out!!! J 

Give me an hour or 2 and I will get some more. 


Respectfully, 

Trina Coffey 
Director of Operations 
WISPA 
260-622-5775 direct 
866-317-2851 ext. 102 (US only) 
530-227-6696 cell 
www.wispa.org 

Join us in Memphis, TN for WISPAmerica 




From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [ mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On 
Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller 
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2017 12:45 PM 
To: WISPA General List < wireless@wispa.org > 
Cc: Principal WISPA Member List < w...@wispa.org >; Trina Coffey, Director of 
Operations < tcof...@wispa.org > 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wisp] Rooms for Memphis show 




thought i'd actually reply using the right subject line 




i thought about getting a small house via homeaway or vrbo as i'm planning to 
bring six 

but i went ahead and booked in the new hotel. 

thanks Trina! 



Now to figure out if all six are actually coming or not 











- Original Message - 

From: Josh Luthman 

To: WISPA General List 

Cc: Principal WISPA Member List ; Trina Coffey,Director of Operations 

Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2017 11:26 AM 

Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wisp] Rooms for Memphis show 



26/night for valet 



But there is a church parking lot across the street 








Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 


On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 5:02 PM, Paul McNary < pmcn...@cameron.net > wrote: 



Trina does the Sheraton have free parking? 
Thanks 
Paul McNary 
pmcn...@cameron.net 




On 2/13/2017 3:44 PM, Trina Coffey, Director of Operations via WISP wrote: 





The room block is currently full. The Sheraton is also sold out on Tuesday 
night, March 14 th . 

I am currently trying to secure an additional block at another hotel close by. 
If you have not booked your room yet please be patient, I should have something 
later today or tomorrow. 

Please check back to the website for updates. 
http://www.wispa.org/events/WISPAmerica/addl_info/hotel 

Respectfully, 

Trina Coffey 
Director of Operations 
WISPA 
260-622-5775 direct 
866-317-2851 ext. 102 (US only) 
530-227-6696 cell 
www.wispa.org 

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Re: [WISPA] source for lightweight NPRM

[Mike Hammett]

I get mine from Baltic. 

I'd imagine your best option is a local shop if you need 200 of them. 




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- Original Message -

From: "Gino Villarini"  
To: "WISPA General List"  
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 11:54:43 AM 
Subject: [WISPA] source for lightweight NPRM 


We are needing 200 lightweight NPRM for cambium epmp devices, whos a good 
source ? 



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Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 

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Re: [WISPA] 10Ghz PMP solution

[Mike Hammett]

Transtelco operates in the US and Mexico. 




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- Original Message -

From: "Faisal Imtiaz"  
To: "WISPA General List"  
Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2017 8:29:11 AM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 10Ghz PMP solution 



Manuel, 


For what part of the world are you seeking such product /solution for ? 


Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

- Original Message -



From: "Manuel Marín"  
To: "WISPA General List"  
Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2017 12:47:09 AM 
Subject: [WISPA] 10Ghz PMP solution 






Dear Wispa community 

We are looking for 10Ghz MP solution and I was wondering if someone can 
recommend a vendor for a point to multipoint solution in the 10Ghz band 

Thank you 




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Re: [WISPA] 10Ghz PMP solution

[Mike Hammett]

The only 10 GHz gear I know if is UBNT's and it isn't available in the US. I 
know TransTelco covers other areas, though. 




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- Original Message -

From: "Manuel Marín"  
To: wireless@wispa.org 
Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2017 11:47:09 PM 
Subject: [WISPA] 10Ghz PMP solution 


Dear Wispa community 


We are looking for 10Ghz MP solution and I was wondering if someone can 
recommend a vendor for a point to multipoint solution in the 10Ghz band 


Thank you 






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Re: [WISPA] What my spies are talking about

[Mike Hammett]

Crown is just the latest in a series of fiber-related acquisitions Crown has 
done. 




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- Original Message -

From: "Faisal Imtiaz"  
To: "WISPA General List"  
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 8:40:46 AM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] What my spies are talking about 



Just to add to that 

a) Take all what Brian said below, and add to it the fact that, in many cities 
they are very quietly installing Micro-Pops, every few blocks, fiber feed 
(essentially replacing street light poles with, poles which are light poles and 
micropops). 

b) The noise and developments in LTE-U 

c) The very strange, over-priced acquisition of FPL-Fibernet by Crown Castle 

d) Relatively quite conversion, installation of GPON system on every building 
that ATT had a Metro Ethernet presence in. 

e) Hype and noise about Gigabit fiber delivery, installation of fiber based 
service in select areas, ATT Conversion of their select IFTL neighborhoods to 
Gigabit fiber.. 

f) The rumblings about Cable Co's moving over the Docsis 3 

Granted that this is not ubiquitous across the nation.. but I can see the 
competitive service providers could easily be starved out by the choke hold on 
being able to deliver/buy/have access to fat pipe especially in the middle 
mile. 

I think in most major metro areas the perceived minimum base level of service 
offering is going to hit high triple digit numbers in terms of bandwidth i.e. 
200meg,300meg,500meg etc... we are already seeing customer expectations / 
perceptions around 100meg. 

Regards 


Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

- Original Message - 
> From: "Brian Webster"  
> To: "WISPA General List"  
> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 11:46:38 PM 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] What my spies are talking about 

> Remember, Verizon bought XO Communications. XO has 24 GHz and 39 GHz 
> spectrum over most of the country, so now Verizon owns that spectrum. They 
> seem to be taking the same approach Windstream and Google are for last mile 
> connectivity, but Verizon owns the spectrum. Windstream is leasing spectrum 
> in these same bands from Straightpath (http://straightpath39.com/) and 
> Google is looking to build in 70 and 80 GHz with E-Band licenses. All of 
> the sudden the WISP industry looks good enough for the big boys to do it 
> too. Cambridge Networks has PTMP radios for these bands already, 600 meg per 
> sector. Hang them on the fiber at the pole and create a very small cell type 
> system. This will work great for backhaul on their Pico cellular network 
> expansion for LTE/Cellular as well as a good tool for FTTH and Business 
> class circuits. 
> 
> http://cbnl.com/vectastar-600 
> 
> http://cbnl.com/vectastar-platform-introduction 
> 
> 
> Thank You, 
> Brian Webster 
> www.wirelessmapping.com 
> www.Broadband-Mapping.com 
> 
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Fred Goldstein 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 3:19 PM 
> To: wireless@wispa.org 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] What my spies are talking about 
> 
> On 1/25/2017 11:58 AM, Marco Coelho wrote: 
>> Some of my friends at Verizon are talking a major shift in their Fiber 
>> Deployment. 
>> They have decided Fiber to the Home is non practical. They have 
>> adopted a fiber to the pedestal scheme with the last part of the 
>> connectivity being wireless to the home. Details on bands used have 
>> not been provided, but that is apparently their new model. They have 
>> sold their copper plant in Texas to Frontier as a part of this plan. 
>> Interesting times. 
> 
> That's right. FiOS is basically over, for new builds. Too expensive. It is 
> mostly down to some FTTPR (fiber to the press release). They told Boston 
> that they would build FiOS there. Lots of good press last year. 
> But they actually had built out some neighborhoods about a decade ago, and 
> simply not activated it. So now they're activating it and claiming it's a 
> new build. But in the meantime they are planning massive densification of 
> their wireless capacity, using street light poles, and basically just 
> building fiber to the pole. They've told this to Wall Street; they haven't 
> made it clear to the locals. 
> 
> While 4G meant LTE, 5G apparently just means "whatever we do after deploying 
> LTE, because 5 comes after 4". 
> 
> ATT has this "IP transition" plan which doesn't have much to do with IP. 
> It basicall

Re: [WISPA] Best cat5 for a monopole

[Mike Hammett]

I am considering an S16 for MDU applications. A couple strands of SFP+ going 
back to central switching\routing and some 12 gauge copper for power. 




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- Original Message -

From: "Clay Stewart"  
To: "WISPA General List"  
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2017 5:16:55 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best cat5 for a monopole 


So far so good! The 16 port is just a switch, smaller ones are routers. The 16 
is what we are using. powers 4 48vdc and 12-16 24vdc. Spring storm season will 
tell. Considering the number of fried Netonics and Digital Loggers over the 
years, with not just surge damage, but issues in software... this caused the 
switch back about 6 months ago. Using Traco power supply systems with battery 
backups and 110AC and DC surging, plus UPS 110. 


On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 4:14 PM, Chris Fabien < ch...@lakenetmi.com > wrote: 



Has the edgepoint been rock solid for you? Thats my main concern with that 
approach. This tower is a difficult climb (its actually a light pole) so 
avoiding trips up top is ideal. 






On Jan 18, 2017 3:50 PM, "Clay Stewart" < cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com 
> wrote: 



UBNT EdgePoint 


On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 3:31 PM, Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > 
wrote: 



Because no SFP bro 


Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 




On Jan 18, 2017 3:17 PM, "Clay Stewart" < cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com 
> wrote: 



We use UBNT Carrier. We have attached it to 1/8 cable for support. You do have 
to be careful not to tear the outer shield, as otherwise you will have water go 
into the cabinet. 


We now do not use cat5 on commercial towers, and have opted to a power cable 
with fiber. Why run 10-12 strands of cat5 when one strand of fiber does the 
job, with ESD? 


On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 2:25 PM, Chris Fabien < ch...@lakenetmi.com > wrote: 



We are doing a deployment on a 90ft steel monopole where our cable will hang 
inside the pole. It seems like we should be using a better grade of cable than 
the Primus shielded cat5 we usually use for towers where it is taped to the 
leg. Any suggestions? 


Thanks 
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LakeNet LLC 


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Re: [WISPA] Best cat5 for a monopole

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Other than reckless tower workers. 




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- Original Message -

From: "Faisal Imtiaz"  
To: "WISPA General List"  
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2017 3:57:29 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best cat5 for a monopole 



Most of the good quality outdoor Ethernet cables have a 'strength tape' in the 
middle... 

UBNT Carrier has a nice piece of plastic in the middle... 

Shireen cable has a nice fiber tape .. 

etc etc. 



If you can tie these cables at the top securely, then there should be no issue 
is letting it dangle in the center of the monopole. 



Regards. 



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From: "Chris Fabien"  
To: "WISPA General List"  
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2017 2:39:09 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best cat5 for a monopole 






Tips on what connectors to use? That looks like a very thick cable. Also how to 
hang it at the top? 



On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 2:31 PM, TJ Trout < t...@voltbb.com > wrote: 



bbdge or bbdg6 




On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 11:25 AM, Chris Fabien < ch...@lakenetmi.com > wrote: 





We are doing a deployment on a 90ft steel monopole where our cable will hang 
inside the pole. It seems like we should be using a better grade of cable than 
the Primus shielded cat5 we usually use for towers where it is taped to the 
leg. Any suggestions? 

Thanks 
Chris Fabien 
LakeNet LLC 

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Re: [WISPA] Best cat5 for a monopole

[Mike Hammett]

That's adding unnecessary electronics in the mix. We really need SFP ports 
directly on the radios. 




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From: "Clay Stewart"  
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Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2017 2:50:24 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best cat5 for a monopole 


UBNT EdgePoint 


On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 3:31 PM, Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > 
wrote: 



Because no SFP bro 


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On Jan 18, 2017 3:17 PM, "Clay Stewart" < cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com 
> wrote: 



We use UBNT Carrier. We have attached it to 1/8 cable for support. You do have 
to be careful not to tear the outer shield, as otherwise you will have water go 
into the cabinet. 


We now do not use cat5 on commercial towers, and have opted to a power cable 
with fiber. Why run 10-12 strands of cat5 when one strand of fiber does the 
job, with ESD? 


On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 2:25 PM, Chris Fabien < ch...@lakenetmi.com > wrote: 



We are doing a deployment on a 90ft steel monopole where our cable will hang 
inside the pole. It seems like we should be using a better grade of cable than 
the Primus shielded cat5 we usually use for towers where it is taped to the 
leg. Any suggestions? 


Thanks 
Chris Fabien 
LakeNet LLC 


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Re: [WISPA] Service Check for Elkhorn, WI

[Mike Hammett]

http://broadbandnow.com/Wisconsin/Elkhorn?zip=53121#show=all 

Geneva Online 
Rise 
E-Vergent 
Netwurx 




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From: "Tim Way"  
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Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2017 6:55:59 PM 
Subject: [WISPA] Service Check for Elkhorn, WI 


Is anyone able to provide service for W3945 Bray Road, Elkhorn, WI 53121? 


If so please contact me off list. 


Thanks, 


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Re: [WISPA] 18 Ghz Range

[Mike Hammett]

On a random test link I drew up in Cambium's Link Planner yesterday, I needed 
to increase one side to 3' to get the desired throughput and uptime on a ~3 
mile link. 




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From: "Sam Morris"  
To: wireless@wispa.org 
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 8:34:02 AM 
Subject: [WISPA] 18 Ghz Range 

At what distance would one expect to start having attenuation issues 
with an 18 GHz link? Assume 2ft dishes on each end with clear Fresnel 
zone. (Dishes at 60ft AGL on each end in case that makes a difference) 

Thanks, 
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Re: [WISPA] 3.65 Precedence

[Mike Hammett]

I also have a feeling that there's a non-zero number of people that won't give 
a shit and will run whatever they want whenever they want. 




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From: "Seth Mattinen"  
To: wireless@wispa.org 
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2016 8:34:37 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 Precedence 

On 12/27/16 16:50, Stuart Pierce wrote: 
> I set forth the point at a get together with the FCC in Gettysburg a few 
> years back that I thought it was a waste of time to register the CPE's. 
> The base station already spews forth the frequency in a certain direction 
> anyway. 
> 
> That's when I realized I thought something else was afoot other than 
> frequency. 


I have a feeling there's going to be a non-zero number of people that 
wished they'd registered their CPE locations. 

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Re: [WISPA] Cambium ePMP2000 config question

[Mike Hammett]

Right. My point was that Nick said you don't need more than -60, but if your 
interference is at -70 to -75, you do need more than -60. ;-) 




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From: "Art Stephens"  
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Sent: Monday, December 12, 2016 4:37:26 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cambium ePMP2000 config question 


We deal with interference all the time from our competitors and from ourselves. 


On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 1:06 PM, Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > 
wrote: 




Isn't necessary... unless your interference levels dictate otherwise. 




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From: "Nick Bright" < nick.bri...@valnet.net > 
To: wireless@wispa.org 
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2016 3:04:05 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cambium ePMP2000 config question 

On 12/12/2016 1:58 PM, Art Stephens wrote: 
> Just starting out using cambium ePMP gear. For configuring multiple 
> APs on a single tower the frequency reuse requires all APs on the same 
> tower to have their Subscriber Module Target Receive Levels set the same. 
> 
> What are the pros and cons between SMTRL of -60 and say -80? 
The ideal signal range is around -60dBm, any stronger isn't necessary. 

The SMTRL will cause the subscriber to back of TX power until it meets 
the Target Receive Level. 

I would not recommend a Target Receive Level any lower than -65dBm, or 
your network will probably not work very well. 

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Re: [WISPA] Cambium ePMP2000 config question

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Isn't necessary... unless your interference levels dictate otherwise. 




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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cambium ePMP2000 config question 

On 12/12/2016 1:58 PM, Art Stephens wrote: 
> Just starting out using cambium ePMP gear. For configuring multiple 
> APs on a single tower the frequency reuse requires all APs on the same 
> tower to have their Subscriber Module Target Receive Levels set the same. 
> 
> What are the pros and cons between SMTRL of -60 and say -80? 
The ideal signal range is around -60dBm, any stronger isn't necessary. 

The SMTRL will cause the subscriber to back of TX power until it meets 
the Target Receive Level. 

I would not recommend a Target Receive Level any lower than -65dBm, or 
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Re: [WISPA] cnMaestro

[Mike Hammett]

http://bfy.tw/8wBp 




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From: "Jon Langeler"  
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Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:24:58 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] cnMaestro 


So is cnMaestro free and will it always be like that? Any catches? 


Jon Langeler 
Michwave Technologies, Inc. 



On Nov 30, 2016, at 1:39 PM, Art Stephens < asteph...@ptera.com > wrote: 





Too bad I do not have zvol 


dd: failed to open â/dev/zvol/Storage/vm-100-disk-1â: No such file or directory 



On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 5:26 AM, Larry A. Weidig < lwei...@excel.net > wrote: 





Art: 

We have actually went through this process and here is the documentation for 
the setup from our docs server, hope it helps: 

1. Login to the virtualization host as root where this image will be initially 
built and run the following commands to download the image and prepare it for 
installation in our Proxmox environment: 
mkdir cnMaestro 
cd cnMaestro 
lynx https://support.cambiumnetworks.com/files/cnmaestro/ # Login and download 
OVA image 
tar -xvf *.ova 
qemu-img convert -f vmdk cnmaestro-on-premises_1.2.1-r1_amd64-disk1.vmdk -O 
qcow2 qcowdisk.qcow2 
2. The using the Proxmox UI create a virtual machine with the following system 
specs: 
Item
Value   

Name
cor-cnm-00.excel.net

OS  
Linux 4.x /3.x / 2.6 Kernel 

CD / DVD
Do not use any media

Hard Disk   
Bus: IDE, Storage: zfdStorage, Size: 80 

CPU 
Sockets: 2, Cores: 2

Memory  
Fixed: 4096 

Network 
Bridged mode, Model: Intel E1000

Hardware
Display: VMware compatible (vmware) 
3. We now need to get the disk image into the newly created virtual machine 
using the following commands as root from the folder created above: 
modprobe nbd max_part=63 
qemu-nbd -c /dev/nbd0 /root/cnMaestro/qcowdisk.qcow2 
dd if=/dev/nbd0 of=/dev/zvol/Storage/vm- NNN -disk-1 bs=1M # Replace NNN with 
the actual vmid for machine created in last step, this will take a while 
4. Fire it up using the Proxmox console. It will initially have some issues 
waiting for network configuration, do not worry and just wait it out. Once 
booted login to the console using the username of cambium and password of 
cnmaestro . 
5. At the Operations menu setup the Network and Password options as appropriate 
for the environment and then Reboot the server to make sure it comes up with 
the new settings. 
6. Immediately login to the WebUI using the username admin and password admin . 
Change the password and create a second administrator account for access! NOTE: 
Google Chrome seems to have issues with the site . 
7. At this point the server is up and running as needed. 




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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On 
Behalf Of Art Stephens 
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2016 5:16 PM 
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Subject: [WISPA] cnMaestro 


Anyone successfully install the cnMaestro On-Premises VA on Proxmox? 



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Re: [WISPA] cnMaestro

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Cost and resource overhead. 




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From: "Jon Langeler"  
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Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 8:11:45 AM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] cnMaestro 


What's the selling point of Proxmox over VMware? 


Jon Langeler 
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Anyone successfully install the cnMaestro On-Premises VA on Proxmox? 


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Re: [WISPA] IPV6 again?!?

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*sigh* 




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From: "Fred Goldstein"  
To: wireless@wispa.org 
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 6:04:29 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] IPV6 again?!? 


The sooner you realize that IPv6 was a practical joke, the better off you'll 
be. 

On 11/1/2016 4:51 PM, Art Stephens wrote: 



OK.. so we can not use static addressing then... 


So I programmed a Mikrotik to do DHCP-PD and connected it to our server 
network. 

[admin@MikroTik] /ipv6 dhcp-server> pr 
Flags: D - dynamic, X - disabled, I - invalid 
# NAME INTERFACE ADDRESS-POOL PREFERENCE LEASE-TIME 
0 server1 ether2 pool1 255 3d 

Flags: D - dynamic 
# NAME PREFIX PRE EXPIRES-AFTER 
0 pool1 ::3::/60 64 




I gave that Mikrotik an address in the IPV6 address space. 

[admin@MikroTik] /ipv6 address> pr 
Flags: X - disabled, I - invalid, D - dynamic, G - global, L - link-local 
# ADDRESS FROM-POOL INTERFACE ADVERTISE 
0 G ::0:32::77/64 ether2 yes 
1 DL fe80::20c:42ff:fe20:caa7/64 ether3 no 
2 DL fe80::20c:42ff:fe20:caa6/64 ether2 no 


I can ping from ::0:32::77 from our office router (::0:32::32) 
I can not ping ::0:32::77from my office desk which can ping other 
addresses on that network. 


And when I set the customer ASUS router to native IPV6 DHCP-PD enabled and plug 
it into the server network. 
Nothing happens. 






On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 4:11 PM, Tim Way < t...@way.vg > wrote: 



Art, 
Are you talking about the DHCPv6-PD allocation ranged I talked about? If so 
those prefixes are intentionally different than what would be present in the 
routing table. Those prefixes would normally be injected into the tower agent 
by the router performing DHCP relaying and / or the DHCPv6-PD server. If you 
are just labbing add the customer prefix to to the router where appropriate. 
As far as routing protocols you will only be able to use EIGRP, OSPF, RIPv6 and 
BGP. 
You likely want the relay agent, tower router, to learn the routes. In Cisco 
land you have to tell the router to snoop on the DHCP packet it relays and to 
inject the route. 
Tim 


On Oct 28, 2016 6:03 PM, "Art Stephens" < asteph...@ptera.com > wrote: 



So the only IPV6 routing I can get to work is with Mikrotik/Cisco using OSPFv3 
only. 


Directly plugged into the IPV6 network with a PC both physical and virtual 
works. 


But when I try to static setup IPV6 on a router as if I was a customer no luck. 


I have tried Netgear, ASUS, Linksys and Mikrotik. No routing thru the router. 


The closest that came to working was the Mikrotik. 

Can only ping directly connected devices though. 
I can ping the gateway and dns server from the Mikrotik router but I can not 
ping from the customer PC behind the Mikrotik router. This is the same PC that 
works if I plug directly in. 



IPV6 Things do not appear to work as advertised when it comes to static 
configs. 


Is it just me or is anyone else running into this? 
If you solved it care to share? 





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Re: [WISPA] IPV6 again?!?

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Don't do static facing customers. You'll want prefix delegation. 




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From: "Art Stephens"  
To: "WISPA General List"  
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 6:02:46 PM 
Subject: [WISPA] IPV6 again?!? 


So the only IPV6 routing I can get to work is with Mikrotik/Cisco using OSPFv3 
only. 


Directly plugged into the IPV6 network with a PC both physical and virtual 
works. 


But when I try to static setup IPV6 on a router as if I was a customer no luck. 


I have tried Netgear, ASUS, Linksys and Mikrotik. No routing thru the router. 


The closest that came to working was the Mikrotik. 

Can only ping directly connected devices though. 
I can ping the gateway and dns server from the Mikrotik router but I can not 
ping from the customer PC behind the Mikrotik router. This is the same PC that 
works if I plug directly in. 



IPV6 Things do not appear to work as advertised when it comes to static 
configs. 


Is it just me or is anyone else running into this? 
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Re: [WISPA] Another Large DDoS, Stop Being a Dick

[Mike Hammett]

Here's a tested config that works with standard IP Firewall. Once I get a 
chance, I'll make and test a version that uses raw. 

/ip firewall address-list 
add address=x.x.x.x/yy comment="My IPs" list=Public_Networks 
add address=x.x.x.x/yy comment="Upstream /30" list=Public_Networks 
add address=x.x.x.x/yy comment="Customer ABC's ARIN allocation" 
list=Public_Networks 

/ip firewall filter 
add action=drop chain=forward comment="Block Spoofed Traffic" 
out-interface=[upstream interface] src-address-list=!Public_Networks 





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From: "Mike Hammett"  
To: "WISPA General List"  
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2016 12:17:39 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Another Large DDoS, Stop Being a Dick 


/ip firewall address-list 
add list="Public-IPs" address=x.x.x.x/yy disabled=no comment="My IPs" 
add list="Public-IPs" address=x.x.x.x/yy disabled=no comment="Downstream 
customer X IPs" 

/ip firewall filter 
add action=drop chain=forward comment="Drop spoofed traffic" disabled=no 
out-interface="To-Upstream" dst-address-list=!"Public-IPs" 

That was largely composed off of the top of my head and typed on my phone, so 
it may not be completely accurate. 


You should also do it on customer-facing ports not allowing anything to come 
in, but that would be best approached once Mikrotik and the per interface 
setting for unicast reverse path filtering. You would then said customer facing 
interfaces to strict and all other interfaces to loose. They accepted the 
feature request, just haven't implemented it yet. 




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- Original Message -

From: "Mike Hammett"  
To: "WISPA General List"  
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2016 11:23:24 AM 
Subject: [WISPA] Another Large DDoS, Stop Being a Dick 


There's another large DDoS going on now. Go to this page to see if you can be 
used for UDP amplification (or other spoofing) attacks: 

https://www.caida.org/projects/spoofer/ 

Go to these pages for more longer term bad behavior monitoring: 

https://www.shadowserver.org/wiki/ 
https://radar.qrator.net/ 


Maybe we need to start a database of ASNs WISPs are using and start naming and 
shaming them when they have bad actors on their network. This is serious, 
people. Take it seriously. 




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Re: [WISPA] Another Large DDoS, Stop Being a Dick

[Mike Hammett]

If you have a default route anywhere, that won't work. 

If you have more than one upstream with differing routes, that may not work. 

Once Mikrotik adds the ability to set it per interface, that'll help. 




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From: "Philip Dorr"  
To: "WISPA General List"  
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2016 3:15:21 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Another Large DDoS, Stop Being a Dick 


Wouldn't setting RP filter to strict fix the spoofing issue? If not, why not? 


/ip settings set rp-filter=strict 


On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 12:22 PM, Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > 
wrote: 




Sorry, src-address-list, not dst-address-list. 




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From: "Mike Hammett" < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > 
To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > 
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2016 12:17:39 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Another Large DDoS, Stop Being a Dick 




/ip firewall address-list 
add list="Public-IPs" address=x.x.x.x/yy disabled=no comment="My IPs" 
add list="Public-IPs" address=x.x.x.x/yy disabled=no comment="Downstream 
customer X IPs" 

/ip firewall filter 
add action=drop chain=forward comment="Drop spoofed traffic" disabled=no 
out-interface="To-Upstream" dst-address-list=!"Public-IPs" 

That was largely composed off of the top of my head and typed on my phone, so 
it may not be completely accurate. 


You should also do it on customer-facing ports not allowing anything to come 
in, but that would be best approached once Mikrotik and the per interface 
setting for unicast reverse path filtering. You would then said customer facing 
interfaces to strict and all other interfaces to loose. They accepted the 
feature request, just haven't implemented it yet. 




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From: "Mike Hammett" < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > 
To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > 
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2016 11:23:24 AM 
Subject: [WISPA] Another Large DDoS, Stop Being a Dick 


There's another large DDoS going on now. Go to this page to see if you can be 
used for UDP amplification (or other spoofing) attacks: 

https://www.caida.org/projects/spoofer/ 

Go to these pages for more longer term bad behavior monitoring: 

https://www.shadowserver.org/wiki/ 
https://radar.qrator.net/ 


Maybe we need to start a database of ASNs WISPs are using and start naming and 
shaming them when they have bad actors on their network. This is serious, 
people. Take it seriously. 




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Re: [WISPA] Another Large DDoS, Stop Being a Dick

[Mike Hammett]

/ip firewall address-list 
add list="Public-IPs" address=x.x.x.x/yy disabled=no comment="My IPs" 
add list="Public-IPs" address=x.x.x.x/yy disabled=no comment="Downstream 
customer X IPs" 

/ip firewall filter 
add action=drop chain=forward comment="Drop spoofed traffic" disabled=no 
out-interface="To-Upstream" dst-address-list=!"Public-IPs" 

That was largely composed off of the top of my head and typed on my phone, so 
it may not be completely accurate. 


You should also do it on customer-facing ports not allowing anything to come 
in, but that would be best approached once Mikrotik and the per interface 
setting for unicast reverse path filtering. You would then said customer facing 
interfaces to strict and all other interfaces to loose. They accepted the 
feature request, just haven't implemented it yet. 




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- Original Message -

From: "Mike Hammett"  
To: "WISPA General List"  
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2016 11:23:24 AM 
Subject: [WISPA] Another Large DDoS, Stop Being a Dick 


There's another large DDoS going on now. Go to this page to see if you can be 
used for UDP amplification (or other spoofing) attacks: 

https://www.caida.org/projects/spoofer/ 

Go to these pages for more longer term bad behavior monitoring: 

https://www.shadowserver.org/wiki/ 
https://radar.qrator.net/ 


Maybe we need to start a database of ASNs WISPs are using and start naming and 
shaming them when they have bad actors on their network. This is serious, 
people. Take it seriously. 




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Re: [WISPA] Anyone ever had your phone number spoofed?

[Mike Hammett]

I don't know of it being spoofed, but spoofing phone numbers is even easier 
than spoofing IP addresses. ;-) 




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From: "Martha Huizenga"  
To: "WISPA" , "WISPA General List"  
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2016 12:12:33 PM 
Subject: [WISPA] Anyone ever had your phone number spoofed? 

Yesterday we started receiving a large number of calls saying that we were 
calling them and they got disconnected or talked to someone who tried to scam 
them (yesterdays's scam was a government grant sent to their nearest western 
union). 

We called our provider (RingCentral) and they said our phone number had been 
spoofed. 

Anyone ever had their number spoofed? How long did it last? Did you have to 
change your phone number? 

This is the second day in a row. We changed our voice mail letting people know 
and asking them to call the FCC - we called the FCC yesterday and reported it, 
but they need the people receiving the calls to call and complain. 

any thoughts appreciated. 

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Re: [WISPA] Another Large DDoS, Stop Being a Dick

[Mike Hammett]

Sorry, src-address-list, not dst-address-list. 




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- Original Message -

From: "Mike Hammett"  
To: "WISPA General List"  
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2016 12:17:39 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Another Large DDoS, Stop Being a Dick 


/ip firewall address-list 
add list="Public-IPs" address=x.x.x.x/yy disabled=no comment="My IPs" 
add list="Public-IPs" address=x.x.x.x/yy disabled=no comment="Downstream 
customer X IPs" 

/ip firewall filter 
add action=drop chain=forward comment="Drop spoofed traffic" disabled=no 
out-interface="To-Upstream" dst-address-list=!"Public-IPs" 

That was largely composed off of the top of my head and typed on my phone, so 
it may not be completely accurate. 


You should also do it on customer-facing ports not allowing anything to come 
in, but that would be best approached once Mikrotik and the per interface 
setting for unicast reverse path filtering. You would then said customer facing 
interfaces to strict and all other interfaces to loose. They accepted the 
feature request, just haven't implemented it yet. 




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- Original Message -

From: "Mike Hammett"  
To: "WISPA General List"  
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2016 11:23:24 AM 
Subject: [WISPA] Another Large DDoS, Stop Being a Dick 


There's another large DDoS going on now. Go to this page to see if you can be 
used for UDP amplification (or other spoofing) attacks: 

https://www.caida.org/projects/spoofer/ 

Go to these pages for more longer term bad behavior monitoring: 

https://www.shadowserver.org/wiki/ 
https://radar.qrator.net/ 


Maybe we need to start a database of ASNs WISPs are using and start naming and 
shaming them when they have bad actors on their network. This is serious, 
people. Take it seriously. 




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[WISPA] Another Large DDoS, Stop Being a Dick

[Mike Hammett]

There's another large DDoS going on now. Go to this page to see if you can be 
used for UDP amplification (or other spoofing) attacks: 

https://www.caida.org/projects/spoofer/ 

Go to these pages for more longer term bad behavior monitoring: 

https://www.shadowserver.org/wiki/ 
https://radar.qrator.net/ 


Maybe we need to start a database of ASNs WISPs are using and start naming and 
shaming them when they have bad actors on their network. This is serious, 
people. Take it seriously. 




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Re: [WISPA] captive portal software

[Mike Hammett]

BrightWiFi? 




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From: "David Funderburk"  
To: "WISPA General List"  
Sent: Saturday, October 8, 2016 5:54:58 PM 
Subject: [WISPA] captive portal software 


Can anyone recommend a solid captive portal software for WIFI networks? Open 
source is preferred but not required. 


Regards, 

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Re: [WISPA] Load Balancing / Failover scripts for MK?

[Mike Hammett]

Tomas is a smart cookie. :-) 




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From: "Faisal Imtiaz"  
To: "WISPA General List"  
Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 12:30:24 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Load Balancing / Failover scripts for MK? 







http://mum.mikrotik.com/presentations/US12/ tomas . pdf 






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From: "Gino Villarini"  
To: "WISPA General List"  
Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 12:54:54 PM 
Subject: [WISPA] Load Balancing / Failover scripts for MK? 






Got a small ISP customer looking for such scripts… any good ones out there? 

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Re: [WISPA] Announcement/Marketing List

[Mike Hammett]

Sort your client differently or change clients? 




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- Original Message -

From: "Matt Hoppes"  
To: "WISPA General List"  
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:48:43 AM 
Subject: [WISPA] Announcement/Marketing List 

To whomever is responsible: 

The way messages are being moderated/sent-out for the announcement list 
is really destroying my inbox. I'm getting messages coming in that are 
marked two and three days in the past because that's when the vendor 
sent them into the moderation queue. 
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Re: [WISPA] CDN Overload

[Mike Hammett]

I have the ear of engineers at Level 3's CDN and Akamai. Working on Microsoft 
now (just sent the e-mail a couple minutes ago). Please continue filling out 
the form if you haven't. More information is better than less. 




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From: "Mike Hammett"  
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Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 9:44:42 PM 
Subject: [WISPA] CDN Overload 


Have you seen a CDN overloading a customer? Help me gather information on the 
issue. 

What CDN? 
What have you identified the traffic to be? 
What is the access network? 
Where is the rate limiting done? 
How is the rate limiting done (policing vs. queueing, SFQ, PFIFO, etc,, etc.)? 
What is doing the rate limiting? 
What is the rate-limit set to? 
Upstream of the rate-limiter, what are you seeing for inbound traffic? 
One connection or many? 
How much traffic? 
How does other traffic behave when exceeding the rate limit? 
Where is NAT performed? 
What is doing NAT? 
Shared NAT or isolated to that customer? 
Have you done a packet capture before and after the rate limiter? The NAT 
device? 
Would you be willing to send a filtered packet capture (only the frames that 
relate to this CDN) to the CDN if they want it? 



There have been reports of CDNs sending more traffic than the customer can 
handle and ignores TCP convention to slow down. Trying to investigate this 
thoroughly so we can get the CDN to fix their system. Multiple CDNs have been 
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Re: [WISPA] CDN Overload

[Mike Hammett]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Jdm0dOBf81kSnXEvVfI6ZJbWFNt5AbYUV8CDxGwLSm8/edit?usp=sharing
 

I have made the anonymized answers public. This will obviously have some bias 
to it given that I mostly know fixed wireless operators, but I'm hoping this 
gets some good distribution to catch more platforms. 




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From: "Mike Hammett"  
To: "WISPA General List"  
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 9:15:48 AM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] CDN Overload 


https://goo.gl/forms/LvgFRsMdNdI8E9HF3 

I have made this into a Google Form to make it easier to track compared to 
randomly formatted responses on multiple mailing lists, Facebook Groups, etc. 




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From: "Mike Hammett"  
To: "WISPA General List"  
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 9:44:42 PM 
Subject: CDN Overload 


Have you seen a CDN overloading a customer? Help me gather information on the 
issue. 

What CDN? 
What have you identified the traffic to be? 
What is the access network? 
Where is the rate limiting done? 
How is the rate limiting done (policing vs. queueing, SFQ, PFIFO, etc,, etc.)? 
What is doing the rate limiting? 
What is the rate-limit set to? 
Upstream of the rate-limiter, what are you seeing for inbound traffic? 
One connection or many? 
How much traffic? 
How does other traffic behave when exceeding the rate limit? 
Where is NAT performed? 
What is doing NAT? 
Shared NAT or isolated to that customer? 
Have you done a packet capture before and after the rate limiter? The NAT 
device? 
Would you be willing to send a filtered packet capture (only the frames that 
relate to this CDN) to the CDN if they want it? 



There have been reports of CDNs sending more traffic than the customer can 
handle and ignores TCP convention to slow down. Trying to investigate this 
thoroughly so we can get the CDN to fix their system. Multiple CDNs have been 
shown to do this. 




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Re: [WISPA] Any Licensed MW gear doing Channel Aggregation?

[Mike Hammett]

We have a hard enough time getting vendors to put on ports big enough to handle 
one channel's worth of capacity and now you're wanting to stuff more than one? 
:-p 

I would like to see this too. Help take advantage of scattered spectrum 
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From: "Gino Villarini"  
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Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 11:36:10 AM 
Subject: [WISPA] Any Licensed MW gear doing Channel Aggregation? 


I got paths were we have several licenses for 30 mhz and 40 mhz channels, any 
gear supports channel aggregation? 



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Re: [WISPA] CDN Overload

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https://goo.gl/forms/LvgFRsMdNdI8E9HF3 

I have made this into a Google Form to make it easier to track compared to 
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From: "Mike Hammett"  
To: "WISPA General List"  
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 9:44:42 PM 
Subject: CDN Overload 


Have you seen a CDN overloading a customer? Help me gather information on the 
issue. 

What CDN? 
What have you identified the traffic to be? 
What is the access network? 
Where is the rate limiting done? 
How is the rate limiting done (policing vs. queueing, SFQ, PFIFO, etc,, etc.)? 
What is doing the rate limiting? 
What is the rate-limit set to? 
Upstream of the rate-limiter, what are you seeing for inbound traffic? 
One connection or many? 
How much traffic? 
How does other traffic behave when exceeding the rate limit? 
Where is NAT performed? 
What is doing NAT? 
Shared NAT or isolated to that customer? 
Have you done a packet capture before and after the rate limiter? The NAT 
device? 
Would you be willing to send a filtered packet capture (only the frames that 
relate to this CDN) to the CDN if they want it? 



There have been reports of CDNs sending more traffic than the customer can 
handle and ignores TCP convention to slow down. Trying to investigate this 
thoroughly so we can get the CDN to fix their system. Multiple CDNs have been 
shown to do this. 




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[WISPA] CDN Overload

[Mike Hammett]

Have you seen a CDN overloading a customer? Help me gather information on the 
issue. 

What CDN? 
What have you identified the traffic to be? 
What is the access network? 
Where is the rate limiting done? 
How is the rate limiting done (policing vs. queueing, SFQ, PFIFO, etc,, etc.)? 
What is doing the rate limiting? 
What is the rate-limit set to? 
Upstream of the rate-limiter, what are you seeing for inbound traffic? 
One connection or many? 
How much traffic? 
How does other traffic behave when exceeding the rate limit? 
Where is NAT performed? 
What is doing NAT? 
Shared NAT or isolated to that customer? 
Have you done a packet capture before and after the rate limiter? The NAT 
device? 
Would you be willing to send a filtered packet capture (only the frames that 
relate to this CDN) to the CDN if they want it? 



There have been reports of CDNs sending more traffic than the customer can 
handle and ignores TCP convention to slow down. Trying to investigate this 
thoroughly so we can get the CDN to fix their system. Multiple CDNs have been 
shown to do this. 




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Re: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate

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I use ArcMAP, but agreed on using GIS tools. 




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From: "Nick Bright"  
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Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 3:11:07 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate 

Quantum GIS is free, and really good at this stuff. 

On 8/31/2016 2:10 PM, Duncan Scott wrote: 
> Yeah, making the full code is kind of hard given there are many 
> county/tract/block codes in our coverage areal. 
> 
> Looking into it further, if you open chrome developer tools and then run 
> a query, there will be a json response starting with 
> https://tigerweb.geo.census.gov/arcgis/rest/services/TIGERweb/Tracts_Blocks/MapServer/2/query?f=json
>  
> that includes all of the details including the GeoID. 
> 
> Kind of convoluted, but still the easiest way I've seen to get the Geo 
> ID from an arbitrary polygon. 
> 
> ~Duncan 
> 
> On 8/31/2016 11:32 AM, Jeremy Austin wrote: 
>> On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 10:06 AM, Duncan Scott > <mailto:dsc...@onlinenw.com>> wrote: 
>> 
>> How do you export the data from TigerWeb? 
>> 
>> 
>> Copy and paste the resulting list of block codes. (If you click on one, 
>> you'll see the full Geographic Identifier, which is what the FCC wants.) 
>> 
>> You'll still need to prepend (I use Excel for this) the State FIPS code, 
>> county, tract, and block group codes, which, depending on your 
>> geography, might be complex — in my area it wasn't, as Alaskan block 
>> groups are huge. 
>> 
>> The resulting block identifiers will look like the codes exported from 
>> Powercode/Towercoverage/Sonar etc. Then you'll need the remaining 
>> columns, which are delivery technology code (2 digits), residential 
>> boolean, residential down, residential up, business boolean, business 
>> down, business up. I believe down/up is max offered speeds, in megabits. 
>> Format info is in the reference material at the 477 web interface. 
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Re: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate

[Mike Hammett]

Well then. That sucks. 




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- Original Message -

From: "Chris Fabien"  
To: "WISPA General List"  
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 10:11:11 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate 


Mike, I should have at least several hundred that actually have subscribers 
that powercode should have included in the CSV. 


On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 11:09 PM, Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > 
wrote: 




How many blocks are your subscribers in? 




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From: "Chris Fabien" < ch...@lakenetmi.com > 
To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > 
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 10:06:48 PM 


Subject: Re: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate 


Powercode does not have a real coverage map. They do generate the deployment 
.csv file, based upon the assumption of reporting any block in which you have a 
customer as being deployed. That approach will definitely generate incomplete 
results, but I'm seeing a way way worse problem. Powercode was giving us 22 
blocks reported on the deployment CSV, when I did it by hand in GIS software, I 
have 841 blocks. Something seems to be very broken. I just finished the 
analysis right now, I will be emailing them shortly. 


If you guys are blindly dumping your Powercode deployment CSV into 477, you 
really should check the data yourself somehow. I have talked to one other 
powercode user who was seeing this problem. He actually had a mapping 
background and helped me do the analysis in MapInfo. 


Chris Fabien 
LakeNet LLC 




On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 10:53 PM, Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > 
wrote: 




Does PowerCode have any way to calculate the deployment file? 




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From: "Adair Winter" < ada...@amarillowireless.net > 
To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > 
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 9:52:10 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate 




*shrug* 
When I do the export from powercode it dumps two .csv files. DeploymentData.csv 
and SubscriptionData.csv. Both of which I just load in to the fcc 477 site. 


On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 9:42 PM, Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > 
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Does Powercode do deployment or only subscriber? 




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From: "Chris Fabien" < ch...@lakenetmi.com > 
To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > 
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 10:46:44 AM 
Subject: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate 


Working on our 477, mapped the deployment data from powercode in our GIS 
software, we found it was grossly inaccurate, probably only has 10% of the 
blocks in the file compared to ones where we have customers. Has anyone else 
noticed this? 


We were previously not mapping the output and just blindly submitting it 
bad idea... we were grossly under reporting our coverage. 
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Re: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate

[Mike Hammett]

How many blocks are your subscribers in? 




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- Original Message -

From: "Chris Fabien"  
To: "WISPA General List"  
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 10:06:48 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate 


Powercode does not have a real coverage map. They do generate the deployment 
.csv file, based upon the assumption of reporting any block in which you have a 
customer as being deployed. That approach will definitely generate incomplete 
results, but I'm seeing a way way worse problem. Powercode was giving us 22 
blocks reported on the deployment CSV, when I did it by hand in GIS software, I 
have 841 blocks. Something seems to be very broken. I just finished the 
analysis right now, I will be emailing them shortly. 


If you guys are blindly dumping your Powercode deployment CSV into 477, you 
really should check the data yourself somehow. I have talked to one other 
powercode user who was seeing this problem. He actually had a mapping 
background and helped me do the analysis in MapInfo. 


Chris Fabien 
LakeNet LLC 




On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 10:53 PM, Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > 
wrote: 




Does PowerCode have any way to calculate the deployment file? 




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From: "Adair Winter" < ada...@amarillowireless.net > 
To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > 
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 9:52:10 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate 




*shrug* 
When I do the export from powercode it dumps two .csv files. DeploymentData.csv 
and SubscriptionData.csv. Both of which I just load in to the fcc 477 site. 


On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 9:42 PM, Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > 
wrote: 




Does Powercode do deployment or only subscriber? 




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From: "Chris Fabien" < ch...@lakenetmi.com > 
To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > 
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 10:46:44 AM 
Subject: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate 


Working on our 477, mapped the deployment data from powercode in our GIS 
software, we found it was grossly inaccurate, probably only has 10% of the 
blocks in the file compared to ones where we have customers. Has anyone else 
noticed this? 


We were previously not mapping the output and just blindly submitting it 
bad idea... we were grossly under reporting our coverage. 
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Re: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate

[Mike Hammett]

Does PowerCode have any way to calculate the deployment file? 




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- Original Message -

From: "Adair Winter"  
To: "WISPA General List"  
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 9:52:10 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate 


*shrug* 
When I do the export from powercode it dumps two .csv files. DeploymentData.csv 
and SubscriptionData.csv. Both of which I just load in to the fcc 477 site. 


On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 9:42 PM, Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > 
wrote: 




Does Powercode do deployment or only subscriber? 




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From: "Chris Fabien" < ch...@lakenetmi.com > 
To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > 
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 10:46:44 AM 
Subject: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate 


Working on our 477, mapped the deployment data from powercode in our GIS 
software, we found it was grossly inaccurate, probably only has 10% of the 
blocks in the file compared to ones where we have customers. Has anyone else 
noticed this? 


We were previously not mapping the output and just blindly submitting it 
bad idea... we were grossly under reporting our coverage. 
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Re: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate

[Mike Hammett]

Does Powercode do deployment or only subscriber? 




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- Original Message -

From: "Chris Fabien"  
To: "WISPA General List"  
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 10:46:44 AM 
Subject: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate 


Working on our 477, mapped the deployment data from powercode in our GIS 
software, we found it was grossly inaccurate, probably only has 10% of the 
blocks in the file compared to ones where we have customers. Has anyone else 
noticed this? 


We were previously not mapping the output and just blindly submitting it 
bad idea... we were grossly under reporting our coverage. 
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Re: [WISPA] Big Guns align behind 3.5 ghz CBRS LTE

[Mike Hammett]

The former IDEN channels Sprint is using were in the 800s (862 rings a bell, 
but maybe not). Some are 3 MHz due to competitors (I forget the southern 
company still running IDEN), but most of their 800 LTE is 5 GHz FDD. They're 
also running 1x-Advanced for voice and text in 8xx MHz. 




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- Original Message -

From: "Fred Goldstein"  
To: wireless@wispa.org 
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 8:57:55 AM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Big Guns align behind 3.5 ghz CBRS LTE 


On 8/25/2016 9:47 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: 



Big wireless also has BRS\EBS, WCS and whatever iDen used. 




Yes, add that to the spectrum list. At least in Sprint's case. They own most of 
the BRS/EBS licenses and leases, and are using it for their LTE. A few others 
are there too, on a more local basis. Nextel had some iDEN frequencies in the 
900 MHz range and that too is in Sprint's network now, but those were IIRC only 
3 MHz channels, so mostly good for voice coverage. Sprint still can't hold a 
candle to the big two in that regard, though, and even T-M is ahead now with 
its 700 MHz coverage. 

AT&T holds a lot of the 2300 MHz WCS licenses. I think one of the Nextwaves 
held some and was leasing them to WISPs, but AT&T bought them. Verizon of 
course had bought a previous Nextwave. 




- Original Message -

From: "Fred Goldstein"  
To: wireless@wispa.org 
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 8:42:46 AM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Big Guns align behind 3.5 ghz CBRS LTE 


We are involved in this band, at WinnForum. That's where the standards are 
being written. The FCC announced the rules last year and did a minor update of 
them earlier this year. Now we're working with WinnForum to fix an oversight 
that makes the band pretty much unusable by rural WISPs. ("What, your 
installers don't carry a sat phone?") We expect to make progress, though. 

The name Citizens Broadband Radio Service is really unfortunate. Press articles 
about the CBRS Alliance are making jokes about "breaker-breaker good buddy", 
and the article that Gino pointed to had a picture of a President Washington CB 
transceiver. This band has nothing to do with CB and doesn't work a bit like 
it. The only thing close to CB is that its rules were assigned to a new Part 
96, while CB itself is Part 95 of 47 C.F.R. (the FCC rules). It probably should 
have gotten a Part number in the 20s, though, down by cellular. 

The FCC rules are by design technology-agnostic. The CBRS alliance looks like a 
pro-LTE group. LTE is going to be the dominant technology, and some companies 
think LTE will totally dominate the band, but some of our vendor members have 
other uses for CBRS. Existing 3650-3700 MHz is being merged into CBRS, of 
course, which is what led to its being frozen in April 2015. Some WiMAX 
equipment could be upgraded, for instance, to be compliant. WinnForum has a 
Coexistence Task Group working on ways to mitigate interference between 
dissimilar technologies. 

The big carriers are looking at this for "small cells", essentially a way to 
add spectrum capacity relatively cheaply so they can sell more gigabytes of cat 
videos to smartphone users. Assuming we fix the glitch in the rules, this will 
also be a useful WISP band, especially in rural areas where the big boys don't 
need additional capacity. After all, they already have 700 MHz, 800 MHz 
(original cellular A&B), 1900 MHz PCS, 1700 MHz AWS-1, and soon 600 MHz if the 
Incentive Auction now under way is successful at buying out TV licenses. In the 
city, all those cat videos are clogging existing spectrum, but elsewhere CBRS 
is likely to be their fourth or fifth choice. 

Licensing is complex. As you probably know, there are "incumbents" (includes 
currently-registered 3650 licenses), PALs, and GAA ("licensed by right" as a 
variant of unlicensed). PAL merely grants priority over GAA in the Spectrum 
Authorization System; it doesn't block off any frequencies. Rumor has it that 
one of the very big national carriers plans to go all-GAA themselves. Since the 
license area is a Census Tract, a PAL might be quite affordable for a rural 
WISP, if you think it's worthwhile. 

But making matters more complex is the need to protect fixed satellite earth 
stations, as low as 3600 MHz. Plus the need to protect naval radar, the band's 
primary owner. So the SASs will require radar detectors (ESC) in the field 
before anyone can use the band outdoors within about a hundred miles of the 
coasts. A ship pulling in to port might then force frequency changes. So the 
actual use of this shared spectrum is going to be a complex multivariate 
problem. 


On 8/25/2016 8:19 AM, Steve Barnes wrote: 




Thanks for posting this Gino, 

I read the article and thought it was interesting.

Re: [WISPA] Big Guns align behind 3.5 ghz CBRS LTE

[Mike Hammett]

Big wireless also has BRS\EBS, WCS and whatever iDen used. 




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- Original Message -

From: "Fred Goldstein"  
To: wireless@wispa.org 
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 8:42:46 AM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Big Guns align behind 3.5 ghz CBRS LTE 


We are involved in this band, at WinnForum. That's where the standards are 
being written. The FCC announced the rules last year and did a minor update of 
them earlier this year. Now we're working with WinnForum to fix an oversight 
that makes the band pretty much unusable by rural WISPs. ("What, your 
installers don't carry a sat phone?") We expect to make progress, though. 

The name Citizens Broadband Radio Service is really unfortunate. Press articles 
about the CBRS Alliance are making jokes about "breaker-breaker good buddy", 
and the article that Gino pointed to had a picture of a President Washington CB 
transceiver. This band has nothing to do with CB and doesn't work a bit like 
it. The only thing close to CB is that its rules were assigned to a new Part 
96, while CB itself is Part 95 of 47 C.F.R. (the FCC rules). It probably should 
have gotten a Part number in the 20s, though, down by cellular. 

The FCC rules are by design technology-agnostic. The CBRS alliance looks like a 
pro-LTE group. LTE is going to be the dominant technology, and some companies 
think LTE will totally dominate the band, but some of our vendor members have 
other uses for CBRS. Existing 3650-3700 MHz is being merged into CBRS, of 
course, which is what led to its being frozen in April 2015. Some WiMAX 
equipment could be upgraded, for instance, to be compliant. WinnForum has a 
Coexistence Task Group working on ways to mitigate interference between 
dissimilar technologies. 

The big carriers are looking at this for "small cells", essentially a way to 
add spectrum capacity relatively cheaply so they can sell more gigabytes of cat 
videos to smartphone users. Assuming we fix the glitch in the rules, this will 
also be a useful WISP band, especially in rural areas where the big boys don't 
need additional capacity. After all, they already have 700 MHz, 800 MHz 
(original cellular A&B), 1900 MHz PCS, 1700 MHz AWS-1, and soon 600 MHz if the 
Incentive Auction now under way is successful at buying out TV licenses. In the 
city, all those cat videos are clogging existing spectrum, but elsewhere CBRS 
is likely to be their fourth or fifth choice. 

Licensing is complex. As you probably know, there are "incumbents" (includes 
currently-registered 3650 licenses), PALs, and GAA ("licensed by right" as a 
variant of unlicensed). PAL merely grants priority over GAA in the Spectrum 
Authorization System; it doesn't block off any frequencies. Rumor has it that 
one of the very big national carriers plans to go all-GAA themselves. Since the 
license area is a Census Tract, a PAL might be quite affordable for a rural 
WISP, if you think it's worthwhile. 

But making matters more complex is the need to protect fixed satellite earth 
stations, as low as 3600 MHz. Plus the need to protect naval radar, the band's 
primary owner. So the SASs will require radar detectors (ESC) in the field 
before anyone can use the band outdoors within about a hundred miles of the 
coasts. A ship pulling in to port might then force frequency changes. So the 
actual use of this shared spectrum is going to be a complex multivariate 
problem. 


On 8/25/2016 8:19 AM, Steve Barnes wrote: 




Thanks for posting this Gino, 

I read the article and thought it was interesting. My only concern is there 
will be that many more bidders in the PAL license area. I think that this 
alliance has the capability to be a very good thing for wisps. But it will make 
us have to spend the money to actually purchase our spectrum. This is a new 
thought for many of us. 

These 3 main players are already in the LTE market with Intel, Qualcomm, and 
Nokia already having silicon that can do the CRBS band. A stable uniform 
platform may arise from this that may interoperate between carriers and may 
give WISPs the first time chance to partner with celcos with interconnect 
agreements. Our networks will have to be able to handle it but I think there is 
more revenue possible, at least for Rural WISPs. Companies in very metro areas 
are probably out of luck. 

The thought of having a large amount of equipment that all uses the same spec, 
the same timing mechanisms with GPS sync, allows us to buy into the technology 
and share the spectrum. Maybe we can make this band work the way that we wished 
all the bands worked and interoperate with everyone who follows the spec and 
not be fighting the big boys all the time…. 


Steve Barnes 
Wireless Operations Manager 
PCSWIN.COM 
NLBC.COM 



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Re: [WISPA] Big Guns align behind 3.5 ghz CBRS LTE

[Mike Hammett]

It wouldn't be surprising. 




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From: "Gino Villarini"  
To: "WISPA General List"  
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 4:12:31 AM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Big Guns align behind 3.5 ghz CBRS LTE 


It worries mee that there are no other comments within this list… lack of 
vision? 


From: < wireless-boun...@wispa.org > on behalf of Mike Hammett < 
wispawirel...@ics-il.net > 




Gino Villarini 
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Reply-To: WISPA General List < wireless@wispa.org > 
Date: Wednesday, August 24, 2016 at 1:24 PM 
To: WISPA General List < wireless@wispa.org > 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Big Guns align behind 3.5 ghz CBRS LTE 





Good thing or bad thing? 




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From: "Gino Villarini" < g...@aeronetpr.com > 
To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > 
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2016 12:22:12 PM 
Subject: [WISPA] Big Guns align behind 3.5 ghz CBRS LTE 


http://telecoms.com/475034/google-intel-nokia-qualcomm-and-other-form-3-5-ghz-alliance/
 



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Re: [WISPA] Big Guns align behind 3.5 ghz CBRS LTE

[Mike Hammett]

Good thing or bad thing? 




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From: "Gino Villarini"  
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Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2016 12:22:12 PM 
Subject: [WISPA] Big Guns align behind 3.5 ghz CBRS LTE 


http://telecoms.com/475034/google-intel-nokia-qualcomm-and-other-form-3-5-ghz-alliance/
 



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Re: [WISPA] High-Rise Building Rooftop Grounding

[Mike Hammett]

Any structural steel nearby? 




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From: "Chris Fabien"  
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Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 3:56:02 PM 
Subject: [WISPA] High-Rise Building Rooftop Grounding 


We are quoting the installation of two 5ft tall Non-Pen mounts with some small 
dish antennas as part of a security camera project. I am trying to determine 
what is required by code for grounding these masts and the cat5 lines to the 
radios where they enter the rooftop mechanical building. 


It is an older 10-story apartment tower. I did not pay very close attention to 
grounding when I was on site, I do not believe there is any sort of lightning 
rod system. There is an elevator mechanical room on the roof, where we will be 
installing a small POE switch to power the APs. Hoping someone on the list has 
done this before and can tell me what is required. 


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Re: [WISPA] Air prism sectors?

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UBNT's support of sync doesn't matter. 




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- Original Message -

From: "Josh Luthman"  
To: "WISPA General List"  
Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2016 12:00:12 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Air prism sectors? 


Ubnt doesn't do sync though? 
Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 


On Aug 2, 2016 12:58 PM, "Gino Villarini" < g...@aeronetpr.com > wrote: 




Anyone tested the UBNT Airprism sectors? 


Need some density in a site and was planning on using them with EPMP radios – 
GPS sync should help with the tight spacing 







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President 
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 

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Re: [WISPA] FM Radio interference

[Mike Hammett]

Sales Manager *and* Sr. Sales Engineer? ;-) 




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- Original Message -

From: "Jeff Holdenrid"  
To: "WISPA General List"  
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 3:49:57 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FM Radio interference 


I have been putting wireless on FM towers for some time now. 


If you do not do the liquid tight or the fiber, then the best bet is to use the 
Superior Essex BBDGE cable and ground the cable every 25-50 feet and it will 
bleed out the interference. 


It is a lot of grounding but it works. 














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On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 4:18 PM, Marco Coelho < coelh...@gmail.com > wrote: 







I have an existing tower that has a FM transmitter on it. I believe they are 
just under 10,000 Watts. 
Since we have been one that tower, I could never link up Ethernet that runs up 
the tower to the equipment on the bottom at 100BT. I've tried ferrite rings on 
both ends, all cables are shielded and grounded. Always had to go to 10BT to 
get a link. 

I moved our radios 35 feet away from the bottom their antennas and still cannot 
link at 100BT. 

The new radios require 1000BT too use them to full advantage. Ideas? 

I'm considering conduit all the way up the tower. I don't want to put switches 
at the top. 








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Re: [WISPA] FM Radio interference

[Mike Hammett]

*clears throat* 




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- Original Message -

From: "Marco Coelho"  
To: "WISPA General List"  
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2016 3:18:59 PM 
Subject: [WISPA] FM Radio interference 






I have an existing tower that has a FM transmitter on it. I believe they are 
just under 10,000 Watts. 
Since we have been one that tower, I could never link up Ethernet that runs up 
the tower to the equipment on the bottom at 100BT. I've tried ferrite rings on 
both ends, all cables are shielded and grounded. Always had to go to 10BT to 
get a link. 

I moved our radios 35 feet away from the bottom their antennas and still cannot 
link at 100BT. 

The new radios require 1000BT too use them to full advantage. Ideas? 

I'm considering conduit all the way up the tower. I don't want to put switches 
at the top. 








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Argon Technologies Inc. 
POB 875 
Greenville, TX 75403-0875 
903-455-5036 
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Re: [WISPA] DNS Name Resolver for WISP

[Mike Hammett]

I (and others) keep saying it because it's a fact. 

CDNs use latency to your DNS resolvers (among other things) to optimize the 
delivery of content. If your DNS resolver isn't on your network, you simply 
aren't best able to take advantage of that infrastructure. You're more likely 
to be going to a worse node increasing latency, decreasing throughput, 
increasing chances of unreliability, etc. 

Setting up local resolvers is a relatively simple and painless process. Just do 
it. 




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- Original Message -

From: "Shawn C. Peppers"  
To: "WISPA General List"  
Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 7:25:12 AM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] DNS Name Resolver for WISP 


You always say that but I have been using open dns for over 6 years now and 
can't recall ever having any issues, not even once. 

Shawn C. Peppers 
Video Direct Satellite & Entertainment 
866-680-8433 Toll Free 
480-287-9960 Fax 
http://www.video-direct.tv 

On Jul 8, 2016, at 7:12 AM, Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > wrote: 





Don't use any DNS resolvers not on your own network. 




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- Original Message -

From: "Daniel Mullen" < daniel.mul...@metrocom.ca > 
To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > 
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 2:43:21 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] DNS Name Resolver for WISP 

I know cira.ca has a service for ISPs. If you need a specific contact there let 
me know, off-list. 

Daniel 

At 04:59 PM 23-06-2016, you wrote: 



Self hosted. I suggest unbound or bind. 

Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 
On Jun 23, 2016 3:56 PM, "Colton Conor" < colton.co...@gmail.com > wrote: 
What dns name solvers do you use to hand out to your customers via DHCP and 
why? Today we just hand out Google's 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 as a name resolvers. I 
recently learned about OpenDNS's free service for homes where a home user can 
monitor and potentially block certain websites, but that would require the home 
to signup at open dns, and then enter open DNS in their router. However if we 
handed out OpenDNS's IPs instead of googles, and provided a gateway, then that 
would remove that step of the client having to enter opendns IPs into their 
router right? 

Does OpenDNS have a service for ISP's? That gives us insight as to where 
traffic on our network is heading based dns lookups? I know about Netflow etc, 
but doing this though DNS seems like a cool option as well. We wouldn't want to 
block anything as an ISP, but it would be useful to know the top visited site 
by our customers is facebook.com for example. 

If not OpenDNS, then is there some other hosted DNS service for ISP's? 



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Re: [WISPA] DNS Name Resolver for WISP

[Mike Hammett]

Don't use any DNS resolvers not on your own network. 




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- Original Message -

From: "Daniel Mullen"  
To: "WISPA General List"  
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 2:43:21 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] DNS Name Resolver for WISP 

I know cira.ca has a service for ISPs. If you need a specific contact there let 
me know, off-list. 

Daniel 

At 04:59 PM 23-06-2016, you wrote: 



Self hosted. I suggest unbound or bind. 

Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 
On Jun 23, 2016 3:56 PM, "Colton Conor" < colton.co...@gmail.com > wrote: 
What dns name solvers do you use to hand out to your customers via DHCP and 
why? Today we just hand out Google's 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 as a name resolvers. I 
recently learned about OpenDNS's free service for homes where a home user can 
monitor and potentially block certain websites, but that would require the home 
to signup at open dns, and then enter open DNS in their router. However if we 
handed out OpenDNS's IPs instead of googles, and provided a gateway, then that 
would remove that step of the client having to enter opendns IPs into their 
router right? 

Does OpenDNS have a service for ISP's? That gives us insight as to where 
traffic on our network is heading based dns lookups? I know about Netflow etc, 
but doing this though DNS seems like a cool option as well. We wouldn't want to 
block anything as an ISP, but it would be useful to know the top visited site 
by our customers is facebook.com for example. 

If not OpenDNS, then is there some other hosted DNS service for ISP's? 



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Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Mike Hammett]

I haven't heard that. 

- Original Message -

From: "Judd Dare"  
To: "WISPA General List"  
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2016 11:35:11 AM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it? 


Azure is far from reliable. 
On Jun 19, 2016 11:03 AM, "Adair Winter" < ada...@amarillowireless.net > wrote: 



No, just authentication. Or at least that's the way it should be. 
They are hosting in azure and are supposed to have some good redundancy . 


On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 12:01 PM, < mike.l...@gmail.com > wrote: 





So if their hosted core takes a sh*t, all your users are down? 



On Jun 19, 2016, at 09:57, Adair Winter < ada...@amarillowireless.net > wrote: 





probably possible but since it makes some sort of ipsec connection to their 
hosted core, it would be more difficult. 


The other way around works great though. 


On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Matt Hoppes < 
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net > wrote: 





Since LTE is a standard I wonder if you could hook a Telrad eNB to the 
baicells EPC?? 


*gear spinning* 



On Jun 19, 2016, at 12:20, Adair Winter < ada...@amarillowireless.net > wrote: 





Baicells is going to have cheaper hardware but there will be some trade offs to 
other vendors. 
for example, no 4x4, do dual carrier, etc. 
Also you'll pay per user per month to use their core unless you already have 
one. so look at the long term when pricing. 


On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > 
wrote: 



Baicells referred me to a distributor for pricing. I asked last week. 
Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 


On Jun 19, 2016 12:18 PM, "Matt Hoppes" < mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net > 
wrote: 





I've said too much. I haven't said enough. 


Ask Patrick for more details on pricing. 

On Jun 19, 2016, at 11:59, CBB - Jay Fuller < par...@cyberbroadband.net > 
wrote: 






He said "real" good ;) 



- Original Message - 
From: Matt Hoppes 
To: WISPA General List 
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 7:18 AM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it? 



As opposed to bad? :P. 

On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:03, Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > wrote: 





"Good"? 
Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 
On Jun 18, 2016 8:02 AM, "Matt Hoppes" < mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net > 
wrote: 





True. It's good though. Real good. 

On Jun 18, 2016, at 02:24, Chris Ruschmann < ch...@scsalaska.net > wrote: 





We all had to sign an NDA. So I'll let the baicells guys answer that one. 
On Jun 17, 2016 9:05 PM, < mike.l...@gmail.com > wrote: 





Whats the pricing like? 


On Jun 17, 2016, at 19:12, Matt Hoppes < mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net > 
wrote: 






https://www.facebook.com/thewirelessninja/videos/1017353051688688/ 

On Jun 17, 2016, at 21:07, Christian Palecek < christ...@cybernet1.com > wrote: 





Ours* brain fart. 


We are deploying in one of our most difficult nlos areas, and another in a 
small town center so we'll have a variety of testing. 







Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone 



 Original message  
From: Christian Palecek < christ...@cybernet1.com > 
Date: 6/17/16 7:02 PM (GMT-07:00) 
To: WISPA General List < wireless@wispa.org > 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it? 


We'll have ares up pretty quick, don't have a SU yet though. Only getting one I 
guess. 







Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone 



 Original message  
From: Chris Ruschmann < ch...@scsalaska.net > 
Date: 6/17/16 3:58 PM (GMT-07:00) 
To: WISPA General List < wireless@wispa.org > 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it? 


I should have mine deployed next week as well. Just received the gear today. 
On Jun 17, 2016 1:11 PM, "Mike Francis" < mfran...@jmfsolutions.net > wrote: 




By: Douglas Adams 

"Man [has] always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins 
because he had achieved so much-the wheel, New York, wars and so on-while all 
the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water having a good time. But 
conversely, the dolphins had always believed that they were far more 
intelligent than man-for precisely the same reason." 

John Michael Francis II 
JMF Solutions, Inc 
Wavefly Technologies 
Internet - Voip - Cloud 
251-517-5069 
http://jmfsolutions.net 
http://wavefly.com 


On 6/17/2016 4:06 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: 



Anxiously awaiting your results...and a quote! 






Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 

On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 5:04 PM, Mike Francis < mfran...@jmfsolutions.net > 
wrote: 


We received our first shipment of gear this week and plan on beginning 
deployment next week. Will let you guys know. We are doing a mix-use 
test roll out with a gov cyber task force, so it will be well documented. 

Best regards, 

John M

Re: [WISPA] DNS Name Resolver for WISP

[Mike Hammett]

*NEVER* hand out an off-net resolver. 

*ONLY* hand out your own, on-net resolvers. 

I use Unbound on Debian. 




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- Original Message -

From: "Colton Conor"  
To: "WISPA General List"  
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 2:56:42 PM 
Subject: [WISPA] DNS Name Resolver for WISP 


What dns name solvers do you use to hand out to your customers via DHCP and 
why? Today we just hand out Google's 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 as a name resolvers. I 
recently learned about OpenDNS's free service for homes where a home user can 
monitor and potentially block certain websites, but that would require the home 
to signup at open dns, and then enter open DNS in their router. However if we 
handed out OpenDNS's IPs instead of googles, and provided a gateway, then that 
would remove that step of the client having to enter opendns IPs into their 
router right? 


Does OpenDNS have a service for ISP's? That gives us insight as to where 
traffic on our network is heading based dns lookups? I know about Netflow etc, 
but doing this though DNS seems like a cool option as well. We wouldn't want to 
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Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Mike Hammett]

They do have more zones in the US than Amazon. I'm not sure how Google or 
others stack up. 

- Original Message -

From: "Nathan Anderson"  
To: "WISPA General List"  
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 3:47:45 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it? 

To the second point, Azure is supposed to be good stuff. But to the first, if 
your users can't authenticate... 

-- Nathan 
 
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 
Adair Winter [ada...@amarillowireless.net] 
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 10:03 AM 
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it? 

No, just authentication. Or at least that's the way it should be. 
They are hosting in azure and are supposed to have some good redundancy . 

On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 12:01 PM, 
mailto:mike.l...@gmail.com>> wrote: 
So if their hosted core takes a sh*t, all your users are down? 

On Jun 19, 2016, at 09:57, Adair Winter 
mailto:ada...@amarillowireless.net>> wrote: 

probably possible but since it makes some sort of ipsec connection to their 
hosted core, it would be more difficult. 

The other way around works great though. 

On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Matt Hoppes 
mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> 
wrote: 
Since LTE is a standard I wonder if you could hook a Telrad eNB to the 
baicells EPC?? 

*gear spinning* 

On Jun 19, 2016, at 12:20, Adair Winter 
mailto:ada...@amarillowireless.net>> wrote: 

Baicells is going to have cheaper hardware but there will be some trade offs to 
other vendors. 
for example, no 4x4, do dual carrier, etc. 
Also you'll pay per user per month to use their core unless you already have 
one. so look at the long term when pricing. 

On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote: 

Baicells referred me to a distributor for pricing. I asked last week. 

Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 

On Jun 19, 2016 12:18 PM, "Matt Hoppes" 
mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> 
wrote: 
I've said too much. I haven't said enough. 

Ask Patrick for more details on pricing. 

On Jun 19, 2016, at 11:59, CBB - Jay Fuller 
mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote: 


He said "real" good ;) 

- Original Message - 
From: Matt Hoppes 
To: WISPA General List 
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 7:18 AM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it? 

As opposed to bad? :P. 

On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:03, Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote: 


"Good"? 

Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 

On Jun 18, 2016 8:02 AM, "Matt Hoppes" 
mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> 
wrote: 
True. It's good though. Real good. 

On Jun 18, 2016, at 02:24, Chris Ruschmann 
mailto:ch...@scsalaska.net>> wrote: 


We all had to sign an NDA. So I'll let the baicells guys answer that one. 

On Jun 17, 2016 9:05 PM, mailto:mike.l...@gmail.com>> 
wrote: 
Whats the pricing like? 

On Jun 17, 2016, at 19:12, Matt Hoppes 
mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> 
wrote: 

https://www.facebook.com/thewirelessninja/videos/1017353051688688/ 

On Jun 17, 2016, at 21:07, Christian Palecek 
mailto:christ...@cybernet1.com>> wrote: 

Ours* brain fart. 

We are deploying in one of our most difficult nlos areas, and another in a 
small town center so we'll have a variety of testing. 



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone 

 Original message  
From: Christian Palecek 
mailto:christ...@cybernet1.com>> 
Date: 6/17/16 7:02 PM (GMT-07:00) 
To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org>> 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it? 

We'll have ares up pretty quick, don't have a SU yet though. Only getting one I 
guess. 



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone 

 Original message  
From: Chris Ruschmann mailto:ch...@scsalaska.net>> 
Date: 6/17/16 3:58 PM (GMT-07:00) 
To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org>> 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it? 


I should have mine deployed next week as well. Just received the gear today. 

On Jun 17, 2016 1:11 PM, "Mike Francis" 
mailto:mfran...@jmfsolutions.net>> wrote: 
By: Douglas Adams 
"Man [has] always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins because he 
had achieved so much-the wheel, New York, wars and so on-while all the dolphins 
had ever done was muck about in the water having a good time. But conversely, 
the dolphins had always believed that they were far more intelligent than 
man-for precisely the same reason." 

John Michael Francis II 
JMF Solutions, Inc 
Wavefly Technologies 
Internet - Voip - Cloud 
251-517-5069 
http://jmfsolutions.net 
http://wavefly.com 

On 6/17/2016 4:06 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: 
Anxiously awaiting your results...and a quot

[WISPA] NANOG 67

[Mike Hammett]

Who is going to NANOG 67?
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Re: [WISPA] AirFiber Snow issues

[Mike Hammett]

I don't think the rain regions are accurate any longer, given the more intense 
storms that happen in many areas. 




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- Original Message -

From: "Mike Hammett"  
To: "WISPA General List"  
Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2015 8:06:23 AM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] AirFiber Snow issues 


You must not get very heavy rains or just put it up yesterday. :-p 




- 
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Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



- Original Message -

From: "Matt Hoppes"  
To: "WISPA General List"  
Sent: Friday, January 9, 2015 10:42:27 AM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] AirFiber Snow issues 

Naw I have yet to have my 1.5 mile airFiber go down or even 
de-modulate past 6x in rain. 


Matt Hoppes 
Director of Information Technology 
Indigo Wireless 
+1 (570) 723-7312 

On 1/9/15 11:34 AM, Adair Winter wrote: 
> good luck with 99.999% uptime if it rains a lot in your area. 
> 
> On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 10:28 AM, Robert Clark  <mailto:rcl...@boltinternet.com>> wrote: 
> 
> Looking at acquiring AirFiber back haul but I am concerned that the 
> front of the antenna is very flat and that snow would stick to it 
> and degrade and possibly take down the link? 
> 
> Has anyone seen this  
> 
> We will be using them on a 2 mile link and need 99.999 uptime 
> 
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Re: [WISPA] AirFiber Snow issues

[Mike Hammett]

You must not get very heavy rains or just put it up yesterday. :-p 




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- Original Message -

From: "Matt Hoppes"  
To: "WISPA General List"  
Sent: Friday, January 9, 2015 10:42:27 AM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] AirFiber Snow issues 

Naw I have yet to have my 1.5 mile airFiber go down or even 
de-modulate past 6x in rain. 


Matt Hoppes 
Director of Information Technology 
Indigo Wireless 
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On 1/9/15 11:34 AM, Adair Winter wrote: 
> good luck with 99.999% uptime if it rains a lot in your area. 
> 
> On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 10:28 AM, Robert Clark  <mailto:rcl...@boltinternet.com>> wrote: 
> 
> Looking at acquiring AirFiber back haul but I am concerned that the 
> front of the antenna is very flat and that snow would stick to it 
> and degrade and possibly take down the link? 
> 
> Has anyone seen this  
> 
> We will be using them on a 2 mile link and need 99.999 uptime 
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Re: [WISPA] Rogue Accesspoint Detection

[Mike Hammett]

;-) 

http://www.aircrack-ng.org/doku.php?id=besside-ng 

Literally anybody can do it... just depends on how much time and power they 
have to throw at the hashes. 

Even easier when you know the provider (like AT&T) has a default password 
that's 10 digits, numbers only. Generate (or download) a dictionary with every 
possible combination... and use it only on your own network to ensure its 
security. 




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Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "Jeremy"  
To: "WISPA General List"  
Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2015 10:00:31 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rogue Accesspoint Detection 


...but the deauth attack is the best way to capture the handshake!?? How are we 
supposed to get the WPA key without the handshake?? 


On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 6:47 PM, Sean Heskett < af...@zirkel.us > wrote: 


In Colorado and many other states with "make my day" laws you can most 
certainly be shot :-/ 



On Tuesday, January 6, 2015, < l...@mwtcorp.net > wrote: 


On Tue, 6 Jan 2015 16:27:13 -0600 (CST) 
Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > wrote: 
> A WISP doesn't own (or lease) everywhere. A company owns or leases their 
> corporate space. 
> 
> If a Russian or Chinese spy snuck a MiFi into Lockheed Skunkworks and somehow 
> passed their other forms of security, you'd be 
>okay with them chugging away uploading whatever they found? 
> 

If I tried to climb over the fence into a secure Lockheed facility I run the 
very real risk of being shot!  Surely your not 
asserting that you have the same right when someone climbs over your back fence 
. When National Security is asserted the 
rules change. 

The FCC has a history of being fairly draconian when they smell "harmful 
interference". (I've always guessed it's personal 
to them because your playing with their toys. ;-) 
It's always a bad idea to expect to reason with a bureaucrat. It's either OK or 
not. It's all in the book. 
If you have a very deep back pocket you can try and get it in front of a judge 
and argue the merits but they 
tend to defer to the regulators. 

Larry Ash 
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> - 
> Mike Hammett 
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> http://www.ics-il.com 
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> - Original Message - 
> 
>From: "Dennis Burgess" < dmburg...@linktechs.net > 
> To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2015 3:09:47 PM 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rogue Accesspoint Detection 
> 
> 
> 
> While I understand your reasoning, I would disagree. If you could do this, 
> for the security of a WISP, we will shut down all 
>Access Points via Deauth attack that my Access Points can see. Also note, I am 
>not talking for the FCC, but for what I believe is 
>right, in this case, you can’t own a location or area of the wifi bands, 
>therefore, you can’t cause harmful interference, and a 
>deauth attack would be harmful, and interference. 
> 
> I can agree that you can detect it and shut it off on a port on your network, 
> but you should not be able to interfere with other 
>operations, regardless if it is your property or not. Maybe that’s not the 
>intent from those actions, but it’s clear that if it’s 
>not on your network then you can’t do much about it. Now, if they are on your 
>property, sure you can tell them to turn it off or 
>leave, but that’s another issue. lol 
> 
> 
> Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. 
> den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net 
> 
> 
> 
>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On 
>Behalf Of Mike Hammett 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2015 2:02 PM 
> To: WISPA General List 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rogue Accesspoint Detection 
> 
> 
> There is no mention of a blanket refusal. In the FCC citation, the fact that 
> they're charging for Internet access is brought up 
>every time the deauthing activity is. 
> 
> https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-329743A1.pdf 
> 
> https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-14-1444A1.pdf 
> 
> In reading that second one, they also keep bringing up that Marriott charged 
> for Internet (and a lot at that). 
> 
> "Specifically, such employees had used this capability to prevent users from 
> connecting to the Internet via their own personal 
>Wi-Fi networks when these users did not pose a threat to the security of the 
>Gaylord Opryland network or its guests." 
> 
> Sounds like security is a viable defense. 
> 
> 
> 
> - 
> Mike Hammett 
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> http://www.ics-il.com 
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> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> 
> 
>