Re: [WISPA] Draft Items for August 1 FCC Meeting

[James Wilson via Wireless]

Thanks everyone for the advice, hopefully, this discussion helps others.  I
didn't know about the phone requirement until the GSO webinar last week.

While some interactivity is good, webinars are a bit time consuming for us
because we're in the field most of the day.

Are there any online documents that anyone could be pointed to for an
overview?

If we're going to do this I want to be sure that we're meeting all of the
requirements...

On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 8:48 AM Keefe John via Wireless 
wrote:

> Also check out Vitelity and Bandwidth.
>
> Keefe
>
> On Mon, Jul 22, 2019, 7:40 AM Claude Aiken via Wireless <
> wireless@wispa.org> wrote:
>
>> Wise man…
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Mark Radabaugh 
>> *Sent:* Monday, July 22, 2019 8:39 AM
>> *To:* Claude Aiken ; WISPA General List <
>> wireless@wispa.org>
>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Draft Items for August 1 FCC Meeting
>>
>>
>>
>> I just don’t put my phone number on the post :-)
>>
>>
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jul 22, 2019, at 8:35 AM, Claude Aiken via Wireless <
>> wireless@wispa.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> There are a number of WISPA vendor members who offer white-label VoIP
>> service. I won’t list them here because inevitably I’ll leave someone off
>> and I’ll get an angry phone call!
>>
>>
>>
>> I discussed this in the most recent ISP Radio in the latter half of the
>> show, and it was item #6 on the top 10 list on our most recent webinar.
>>
>>
>>
>> We didn’t offer a webinar particularly on phone, but if there is enough
>> interest we may want to take a look at it.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* James Wilson 
>> *Sent:* Monday, July 22, 2019 8:15 AM
>> *To:* Claude Aiken 
>> *Cc:* t...@cherrycapitalconnection.com; WISPA General List <
>> wireless@wispa.org>
>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Draft Items for August 1 FCC Meeting
>>
>>
>>
>>   We attended the Government Subsidized Overbuilding webinar but didn't
>> hear anything about a phone service seminar.
>>
>>
>>
>>   For anyone else that is trying to keep up:
>>
>>
>>
>>   NANP is this:
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Numbering_Plan
>>
>>
>>
>>   N11 is this:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N11_code
>>
>>
>>
>>   I think that Ooma was offering this a year or two ago at WISPA in
>> Memphis.  We'll check on it.
>>
>>
>>
>>   Please let us know if there are others that may be better.  We're not
>> exactly in the phone business and just recommend to our customers to use a
>> smartphone with WiFi calling.  But it looks like we're going to have to
>> offer phone service not to get further overbuilt on!
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>>
>>
>> -James Wilson
>>
>>
>>
>> RidgeComms
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 7:52 AM Claude Aiken  wrote:
>>
>> Yes, N11.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* t...@cherrycapitalconnection.com 
>>
>> *Sent:* Monday, July 22, 2019 7:51 AM
>> *To:* Claude Aiken ; 'WISPA General List' <
>> wireless@wispa.org>; 'James Wilson' 
>> *Subject:* RE: [WISPA] Draft Items for August 1 FCC Meeting
>>
>>
>>
>> Claude X11 or should the reference be N11
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org  *On
>> Behalf Of *Claude Aiken via Wireless
>> *Sent:* Sunday, July 21, 2019 10:08 PM
>> *To:* James Wilson ; WISPA General List <
>> wireless@wispa.org>
>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Draft Items for August 1 FCC Meeting
>>
>>
>>
>> As long as it is phone service that reaches NANP numbers including X11
>> numbers, it counts as long as it is offered by YOUR company. Can be white
>> label.
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes, has to be reflected on 477.
>>
>>
>>
>> We did a webinar last week on this topic, hope to post for members soon.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  Original message 
>>
>> From: James Wilson via Wireless 
>>
>> Date: 7/21/19 9:55 PM (GMT-05:00)
>>
>> To: WISPA General List 
>>
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Draft Items for August 1 FCC Meeting
>>
>>
>>
>> Is there some information about what is considered phone service?
>>
>>
>>
>> Can we just offer something like Ooma? 

Re: [WISPA] Draft Items for August 1 FCC Meeting

[James Wilson via Wireless]

Thanks, I'll check them out.

On Mon, Jul 22, 2019, 8:37 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:

> There are a number of WISPA vendors that offer solutions varying from
> whitelabel to entire on-premise solutions.
>
> A quick look through the member directory (and I apologize to the ones I
> miss, feel free to reply with the information):
>
> CTI:  http://cticonnect.com
> Ooma: http://www.ooma.com
> Bicom: http://www.bicomsystems.com
> Ipifony: http://www.ipifony.com
> Windstream http://www.windstreamwholesale.com
> Netsapiens http://www.netsapiens.com
> Atheral http://www.atheral.com
> Solidphone Communications:  http://www.solidphone.us
>
> Mark
>
>
> On Jul 22, 2019, at 8:15 AM, James Wilson via Wireless 
> wrote:
>
>   We attended the Government Subsidized Overbuilding webinar but didn't
> hear anything about a phone service seminar.
>
>   For anyone else that is trying to keep up:
>
>   NANP is this:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Numbering_Plan
>
>   N11 is this:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N11_code
>
>   I think that Ooma was offering this a year or two ago at WISPA in
> Memphis.  We'll check on it.
>
>   Please let us know if there are others that may be better.  We're not
> exactly in the phone business and just recommend to our customers to use a
> smartphone with WiFi calling.  But it looks like we're going to have to
> offer phone service not to get further overbuilt on!
>
> Thank you,
>
> -James Wilson
>
> RidgeComms
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 7:52 AM Claude Aiken  wrote:
>
>> Yes, N11.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* t...@cherrycapitalconnection.com 
>>
>> *Sent:* Monday, July 22, 2019 7:51 AM
>> *To:* Claude Aiken ; 'WISPA General List' <
>> wireless@wispa.org>; 'James Wilson' 
>> *Subject:* RE: [WISPA] Draft Items for August 1 FCC Meeting
>>
>>
>>
>> Claude X11 or should the reference be N11
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org  *On
>> Behalf Of *Claude Aiken via Wireless
>> *Sent:* Sunday, July 21, 2019 10:08 PM
>> *To:* James Wilson ; WISPA General List <
>> wireless@wispa.org>
>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Draft Items for August 1 FCC Meeting
>>
>>
>>
>> As long as it is phone service that reaches NANP numbers including X11
>> numbers, it counts as long as it is offered by YOUR company. Can be white
>> label.
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes, has to be reflected on 477.
>>
>>
>>
>> We did a webinar last week on this topic, hope to post for members soon.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  Original message 
>>
>> From: James Wilson via Wireless 
>>
>> Date: 7/21/19 9:55 PM (GMT-05:00)
>>
>> To: WISPA General List 
>>
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Draft Items for August 1 FCC Meeting
>>
>>
>>
>> Is there some information about what is considered phone service?
>>
>>
>>
>> Can we just offer something like Ooma?  Does this phone service need to
>> be reflected in FCC 477?
>>
>>
>>
>> Is there a place to go for further information?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 12, 2019, 8:52 AM Mark Radabaugh via Wireless <
>> wireless@wispa.org> wrote:
>>
>> There are two upcoming items on the FCC’s August 1st meeting on items
>> that will effect all WISP’s.Please review the documents below.
>>
>>
>>
>> Short summary:
>>
>>
>>
>> 477 Order - will revamp the 477 data collection process and information.
>>   Personally this is a good thing.
>>
>>
>>
>> RDOF - This is the next $20,400,000,000 (20.4 Billion Dollars) that will
>> be spend to overbuild your network if you are not currently providing 25/3
>> service & phone.
>>
>>
>>
>> WISPA has time to meet with the commissioners and discuss up to the 25th.
>>   A lot of effort has already gone into making sure that both of these are
>> fair and open to all providers, not just the Telco’s.   There is no way to
>> stop the feds from spending this money - it’s coming regardless of what we
>> do.   Both political parties, the administration, and the FCC all want to
>> spend money on rural broadband.
>>
>>
>>
>> *YOU HAVE TO DO YOUR PART* to either position yourself to receive this
>> funding, or prevent your competitors from getting it and overbuilding you.
>>
>>
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>>
>> Mark Radabaug

Re: [WISPA] Draft Items for August 1 FCC Meeting

[James Wilson via Wireless]

  We attended the Government Subsidized Overbuilding webinar but didn't
hear anything about a phone service seminar.

  For anyone else that is trying to keep up:

  NANP is this:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Numbering_Plan

  N11 is this:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N11_code

  I think that Ooma was offering this a year or two ago at WISPA in
Memphis.  We'll check on it.

  Please let us know if there are others that may be better.  We're not
exactly in the phone business and just recommend to our customers to use a
smartphone with WiFi calling.  But it looks like we're going to have to
offer phone service not to get further overbuilt on!

Thank you,

-James Wilson

RidgeComms






On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 7:52 AM Claude Aiken  wrote:

> Yes, N11.
>
>
>
> *From:* t...@cherrycapitalconnection.com 
> *Sent:* Monday, July 22, 2019 7:51 AM
> *To:* Claude Aiken ; 'WISPA General List' <
> wireless@wispa.org>; 'James Wilson' 
> *Subject:* RE: [WISPA] Draft Items for August 1 FCC Meeting
>
>
>
> Claude X11 or should the reference be N11
>
>
>
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org  *On
> Behalf Of *Claude Aiken via Wireless
> *Sent:* Sunday, July 21, 2019 10:08 PM
> *To:* James Wilson ; WISPA General List <
> wireless@wispa.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Draft Items for August 1 FCC Meeting
>
>
>
> As long as it is phone service that reaches NANP numbers including X11
> numbers, it counts as long as it is offered by YOUR company. Can be white
> label.
>
>
>
> Yes, has to be reflected on 477.
>
>
>
> We did a webinar last week on this topic, hope to post for members soon.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  Original message 
>
> From: James Wilson via Wireless 
>
> Date: 7/21/19 9:55 PM (GMT-05:00)
>
> To: WISPA General List 
>
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Draft Items for August 1 FCC Meeting
>
>
>
> Is there some information about what is considered phone service?
>
>
>
> Can we just offer something like Ooma?  Does this phone service need to be
> reflected in FCC 477?
>
>
>
> Is there a place to go for further information?
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 12, 2019, 8:52 AM Mark Radabaugh via Wireless <
> wireless@wispa.org> wrote:
>
> There are two upcoming items on the FCC’s August 1st meeting on items that
> will effect all WISP’s.Please review the documents below.
>
>
>
> Short summary:
>
>
>
> 477 Order - will revamp the 477 data collection process and information.
> Personally this is a good thing.
>
>
>
> RDOF - This is the next $20,400,000,000 (20.4 Billion Dollars) that will
> be spend to overbuild your network if you are not currently providing 25/3
> service & phone.
>
>
>
> WISPA has time to meet with the commissioners and discuss up to the 25th.
>   A lot of effort has already gone into making sure that both of these are
> fair and open to all providers, not just the Telco’s.   There is no way to
> stop the feds from spending this money - it’s coming regardless of what we
> do.   Both political parties, the administration, and the FCC all want to
> spend money on rural broadband.
>
>
>
> *YOU HAVE TO DO YOUR PART* to either position yourself to receive this
> funding, or prevent your competitors from getting it and overbuilding you.
>
>
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> Mark Radabaugh
>
> WISPA Policy Committee Chair
>
> 419-261-5996
>
>
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
>
>
> *From: *"Coran, Steve via PolicyCommittee" 
>
> *Subject: [PolicyCommittee] Draft Items for August 1 FCC Meeting*
>
> *Date: *July 11, 2019 at 5:48:29 PM EDT
>
> *To: *"'policycommit...@wispa.org'" 
>
> *Reply-To: *"Coran, Steve" , <
> policycommit...@wispa.org>
>
>
>
> Just released, below are links to draft items of interest for the FCC’s
> August 1 open meeting.  We have the opportunity to meet with the
> Commissioners until the afternoon of July 25.  Would appreciate the
> Committee’s input on these soon.  Just released, and I have not had a
> chance to review these yet.
>
>
>
> DRAFT Form 477 Order + FNPRM:
> https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-358433A1.pdf
>
> DRAFT RDOF NPRM: https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-358432A1.pdf
>
>
>
> Stephen E. Coran
>
> Lerman Senter PLLC <http://www.lermansenter.com/> *|*2001 L Street, NW,
> Suite 400 *|* Washington, DC 20036
>
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Re: [WISPA] Draft Items for August 1 FCC Meeting

[James Wilson via Wireless]

Is there some information about what is considered phone service?

Can we just offer something like Ooma?  Does this phone service need to be
reflected in FCC 477?

Is there a place to go for further information?

Thanks!

On Fri, Jul 12, 2019, 8:52 AM Mark Radabaugh via Wireless <
wireless@wispa.org> wrote:

> There are two upcoming items on the FCC’s August 1st meeting on items that
> will effect all WISP’s.Please review the documents below.
>
> Short summary:
>
> 477 Order - will revamp the 477 data collection process and information.
> Personally this is a good thing.
>
> RDOF - This is the next $20,400,000,000 (20.4 Billion Dollars) that will
> be spend to overbuild your network if you are not currently providing 25/3
> service & phone.
>
> WISPA has time to meet with the commissioners and discuss up to the 25th.
>   A lot of effort has already gone into making sure that both of these are
> fair and open to all providers, not just the Telco’s.   There is no way to
> stop the feds from spending this money - it’s coming regardless of what we
> do.   Both political parties, the administration, and the FCC all want to
> spend money on rural broadband.
>
> *YOU HAVE TO DO YOUR PART* to either position yourself to receive this
> funding, or prevent your competitors from getting it and overbuilding you.
>
> Mark
>
> Mark Radabaugh
> WISPA Policy Committee Chair
> 419-261-5996
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> *From: *"Coran, Steve via PolicyCommittee" 
> *Subject: **[PolicyCommittee] Draft Items for August 1 FCC Meeting*
> *Date: *July 11, 2019 at 5:48:29 PM EDT
> *To: *"'policycommit...@wispa.org'" 
> *Reply-To: *"Coran, Steve" , <
> policycommit...@wispa.org>
>
> Just released, below are links to draft items of interest for the FCC’s
> August 1 open meeting.  We have the opportunity to meet with the
> Commissioners until the afternoon of July 25.  Would appreciate the
> Committee’s input on these soon.  Just released, and I have not had a
> chance to review these yet.
>
> DRAFT Form 477 Order + FNPRM:
> https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-358433A1.pdf
> DRAFT RDOF NPRM: https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-358432A1.pdf
>
> Stephen E. Coran
> Lerman Senter PLLC  *|*2001 L Street, NW,
> Suite 400 *|* Washington, DC 20036
> 202-416-6744 (o) *|* 202-669-3288 (m) *| *sco...@lermansenter.com  
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[WISPA] Boilerplate relay site contract

[James Wilson]

Hello,

  We're needing a contract for our relay sites.

  Mostly we're just using a piece of their property or house to host a
relay and need some assurance that it will still be available for use if
the property owner moves or something happens to them.

  Does anyone have something like this that they'd share with us?

Thank you,

-James Wilson

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Re: [WISPA] Network Neutrality talking points

[James Wilson]

Don't we prioritize VoIP?

On Dec 15, 2017 4:04 PM, "Josh Luthman"  wrote:

> This is fantastic.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Dec 15, 2017 3:53 PM, "Mark Radabaugh"  wrote:
>
>> For your use, re-posted from last week:
>>
>>
>> *Talking Points for WISPA Members on “Net Neutrality” and “Internet
>> Freedom” *
>>
>> December 2017
>>
>>
>>
>> *Overview for WISPA Members *
>>
>>
>>
>> ·   These talking points are *not* intended to be used proactively.
>> WISPA is not taking a proactive role in advocacy on this issue, and we
>> do not recommend that you do.
>>
>> ·   The intent is to help you be prepared for media and public
>> inquiries if they do come in.
>>
>> ·   If you receive a query about your company’s position on net
>> neutrality, or WISPA’s position, we encourage you to refer it to us to
>> handle. Please send it to:
>>
>> o   Dale Curtis, WISPA Communications Support,
>> d...@dalecurtiscommunications.com
>>
>> ·   If you do choose to answer a media or public query:
>>
>> o   Please let us know, preferably in advance; and
>>
>> o   Please stick to this script; going off script could create problems
>> for you and your business.
>>
>>
>>
>> *General Tips *
>>
>>
>>
>> ·   Any statements you make must be 100% truthful and backed-up with
>> facts; so please don’t say anything that is untrue or unsupportable with
>> facts.
>>
>> ·   If you don’t know the answer to a question, just say so. A
>> convenient way to say it is: “I don’t know about *that*, but what I do
>> know is …”
>>
>> ·   Don’t bring up other issues.
>>
>>
>>
>> *Talking Points *
>>
>>
>>
>> ·   *Let’s be clear: We support a free and open internet. *
>>
>> o   We don’t block, throttle, or prioritize any content.
>>
>> o   We disclose our terms of service in plain English.
>>
>> o   We support robust privacy protections for our customers.
>>
>> o   Those are the core elements of “net neutrality,” and we support them.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ·   *We believe you can have a free and open internet without
>> heavy-handed regulation and enforcement that is ill-suited for small
>> providers. *
>>
>>
>>
>> ·   What was wrong with the way the internet was regulated up until
>> two years ago? It worked well then, and it will again.
>>
>>
>>
>> ·   FCC regulations designed to treat all internet providers like
>> large monopoly utilities – with open-ended and vaguely worded requirements,
>> all subject to bureaucratic whim – are taking resources away from
>> investment in under-served areas and diverting them instead toward lawyers
>> and compliance consultants.
>>
>>
>>
>> ·   When our compliance costs go up because of government action, we
>> either have to reduce investment in our business or pass those costs on to
>> our customers.
>>
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Re: [WISPA] POE splitter for ToughSwitch

[James Wilson]

I for one am disappointed in the new switches and routers.  My head is full
of command line commands and options from decades of different devices and
OSs.  I want GUIs from now on!

And I want the same look and feel across Ubiquiti devices!

On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 9:34 AM, Clay Stewart 
wrote:

> Opposite experience here. Then a lot has changed in last few years, like
> the latest> https://www.ubnt.com/edgemax/edgerouter-infinity/
>
> The biggest issue I have seen over the years is people not learning the
> CLI and resulting capability.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 9:02 AM, David Funderburk 
> wrote:
>
>> How long have you had the EdgePoint in service? We had deployed a number
>> of Ubiquiti routers but ended up pulling them all out.  Once they were in
>> service a little over a year we had MANY ghost issues crop up with them.
>> Our latency went down and stability went up after removing them.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> David Funderburk
>> GlobalVision
>> 864-569-0703 <(864)%20569-0703>
>>
>> On 29/09/2017 08:39, Clay Stewart wrote:
>>
>> Consider an EdgePoint, we have not lost one and have deployed many.
>> Powered by cat5 or wires. A real switch.
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 6:47 PM, Rick Boucher 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Looking for a good POE splitter to power up a ToughSwitch POE on n
>>> install about 75ft up.
>>>
>>> Source inserts power at base (in house) then powers ToughSwitchPOE on
>>> Roof. ToughSwitch then powers 4 UBNT 24V devices (maybe 5)
>>>
>>> Anyone using a good splitter for powering the TSPOE?
>>>
>>> Rick
>>>
>>> -
>>>
>>>
>>> Rick Boucher
>>> Webmaster / Systems Admin
>>> Orcas Online / San Juan Web
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>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> I have so much to do that I shall spend the first three hours in prayer."
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Re: [WISPA] Need 10Mb service Washington, DC

[James Wilson]

Argh!   Make it stop!

On Jul 18, 2017 9:52 PM, "Clay Stewart"  wrote:

> Interfering with critical work here with pop ups, borders on spam.
>
> On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 9:50 PM, Paul McNary  wrote:
>
>> Matt
>> It's just every major airport in the US. :-)
>>
>> On 7/18/2017 8:47 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>>
>> Can you summarize these needs into one email please?
>>
>> On Jul 18, 2017, at 9:35 PM, Scott Carullo  wrote:
>>
>> Hot me off list if you can service thanks
>>
>> 106 Air Cargo Road
>> Washington, DC 20001
>>
>> *Scott Carullo*
>> Technical Operations
>> Florida High Speed Internet
>> (321) 205-1100 x102 <(321)%20205-1100>
>> 
>>
>>  
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Need 10Mb service Washington, DC

[James Wilson]

Yes, please!   :)

On Jul 18, 2017 9:47 PM, "Matt Hoppes" 
wrote:

> Can you summarize these needs into one email please?
>
> On Jul 18, 2017, at 9:35 PM, Scott Carullo  wrote:
>
> Hot me off list if you can service thanks
>
> 106 Air Cargo Road
> Washington, DC 20001
>
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> Florida High Speed Internet
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Re: [WISPA] New NEC rule it may hurt WISPs

[James Wilson]

Maybe the device can be considered the POE injector?

On May 12, 2017 1:42 PM, "Paul McNary"  wrote:

> So does that indicate that Dish and direct tv will also not be exempt in
> his interpretation?
>
> Paul
>
> On 5/12/2017 12:32 PM, Mitch wrote:
>
> Just got off the phone with our local State Inspector
>
> His take is if the device is outside and NOT getting power
>
> from inside the property it is located at then it is exempt (such as
>
> telco and CATV).
>
> If the outdoor device gets power from inside the property
>
> then it is NOT exempt.
>
> This is how I read it
>
> Mitch
>
>
>
>
> On 05/12/2017 11:16 AM, garrettshan...@vabb.com wrote:
>
> Considering V.A. doesn't have a separate certification for low voltage, I
>  certainly hope we're excluded. It would be difficult to get all of our
> technicians though a 3 year apprenticeship as required by law for a full
> certification.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: "Matt Hoppes" 
> 
> Sent: Friday, May 12, 2017 12:10pm
> To: "WISPA General List"  
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] New NEC rule it may hurt WISPs
>
> Ummm. We are exclusively  excluded. You even highlighted it.
>
> On May 12, 2017, at 11:50 AM, Mitch  wrote:
>
> Looks like all installers will have to be licensed Electricians
> for everything and anything that connects to a power source
> Am I reading wrong?
>
>
> NFPA 70: DOCUMENT SCOPE
>
> 90.2 Scope.
> (A) Covered. This Code covers the installation and removal of electrical
> conductors, equipment, and raceways; signaling and communications
> conductors, equipment, and raceways; and optical fiber cables and raceways
> for the following:
> (1) Public and private premises, including buildings, structures, mobile
> homes, recreational vehicles, and floating buildings
> (2) Yards, lots, parking lots, carnivals, and industrial substations
> (3) Installations of conductors and equipment that connect to the supply
> of electricity
> (4) Installations used by the electric utility, such as office buildings,
> warehouses, garages, machine shops, and recreational buildings, that are
> not an integral part of a generating plant, substation, or control center
> *(B) Not Covered. This Code does not cover the following:*
> (1) Installations in ships, watercraft other than floating buildings,
> railway rolling stock, aircraft, or automotive vehicles other than mobile
> homes and recreational vehicles
> Informational Note: Although the scope of this Code indicates that the
> Code does not cover installations in ships, portions of this Code are
> incorporated by reference into Title 46, Code of
> Federal Regulations, Parts 110–113.
> (2) Installations underground in mines and self-propelled mobile surface
> mining machinery and its attendant electrical trailing cable
> (3) Installations of railways for generation, transformation,
> transmission, energy storage, or distribution of power used exclusively for
> operation of rolling stock or installations used exclusively for signaling
> and communications purposes
> *(4) Installations of communications equipment under the exclusive control
> of communications utilities located outdoors or in building spaces used
> exclusively for such installations*
> (5) Installations under the exclusive control of an electric utility where
> such installations
> a. Consist of service drops or service laterals, and associated metering,
> or
> b. Are on property owned or leased by the electric utility for the purpose
> of communications, metering, generation, control, transformation,
> transmission, energy storage, or distribution of electric energy, or
> c. Are located in legally established easements or rights-of-way, or
> d. Are located by other written agreements either designated by or
> recognized by public service commissions, utility commissions, or other
> regulatory agencies having jurisdiction for such installations. These
> written agreements shall be limited to installations for the purpose of
> communications, metering, generation, control, transformation,
> transmission, energy storage, or distribution of electric energy where
> legally established easements or rights-of-way cannot be obtained. These
> installations shall be limited to federal lands, Native American
> reservations through the U.S. Department of the Interior Bureau of Indian
> Affairs, military bases, lands controlled by port authorities and state
> agencies and departments, and lands owned by railroads.
> *Informational Note to (4) and (5): Examples of utilities may include
> those entities that are typically designated or recognized by governmental
> law or regulation by public service/utility commissions and that install,
> operate, and maintain electric supply (such as generation, transmission, or
> distribution systems) or communications systems (such as telephone, CATV,*
> *Internet, 

Re: [WISPA] Residential service terms

[James Wilson]

We don't have a contract either, but we do a pretty good job of keeping
customers happy.

But we're in a pretty rural area.  Frontier DSL is pretty bad here and
there isn't much cable available.

On Feb 2, 2017 1:34 PM, "Martha Huizenga"  wrote:

> We no longer have a service term. It differentiates us from the big guys.
> Most of our customers stay anyway.
>
> -
>
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> Partner
> 202-546-5898 <(202)%20546-5898>
> DC Access
> *Friend**ly, Local, Affordable, Internet!*
> * Con*
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> On 2/2/2017 12:07 PM, Daniel Peoples wrote:
>
> Quick question, what is your length of contract for a residential
> customer? Do you move to a month to month after that term?
>
> We've always done a straight month to month agreement and our customers of
> course love that and for the most part they stay. But in doing account
> audits we have a quite a few flaky people who pay the install and then
> never pay again. They use the service until we cut them off and the drop of
> the face of the earth.
>
> Thanks!
>
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> Resonance Broadband
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> 918-429-3620
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Re: [WISPA] crimper that crimps ground drain wire

[James Wilson]

We use the UBNT or RF Armor ends also and just use needlenose to crimp the
drain wire.

On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 12:28 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> RFArmor...or Arc or Ubnt
>
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>
> On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 12:26 PM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
>> Use the RFArmor version of toughconnectors and don't solder them.
>>
>> On Jan 24, 2017 11:24 AM, "Marco Coelho"  wrote:
>>
>>> Are there any cat5/6/7 crimpers out there that also crimp the drain wire
>>> for the shielded cat 5 lines?  It would save us a lot of time soldering the
>>> drain wires.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
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>>> POB 875
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Re: [WISPA] Resends of TowerCoverage Website Submissions

[James Wilson]

Can't wait, thanks in advance!
On Jul 11, 2016 2:55 PM, "Jim Patient" <jpati...@linktechs.net> wrote:

> I have one of the programmers working on this.  We are going to build
> templates that are customizable for your websites.  You will be able to
> download them free.  You will have a number of different options to choose
> from.  The templates will need to be loaded on your webserver and use the
> API system to push the data into towercoverage.com.
>
>
>
> I don’t have an ETA for completion just yet.  There is a lot of
> programming work to do to integrate this with your multimap.  Hopefully a
> week or 2 to get one to test with.
>
>
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
> Behalf Of *James Wilson
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 29, 2016 11:54 AM
> *To:* WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Resends of TowerCoverage Website Submissions
>
>
>
> I don't have all of the answers, but there are people that do web
> page design to make it more intuitive.  Here are some examples:
>
>
> http://www.creativebloq.com/web-design/5-ways-make-your-web-designs-more-intuitive-91516938
>
> http://www.designforfounders.com/web-app-ux/
>
> I don't know how to do this, but there are consultants that do.  The
> functionality of TowerCoverage is there, but the user interface is lacking.
>
> You can complain about people not reading directions or you can make its
> easier to read the directions - or make the flow so that they don't even
> need to read the directions.  The best sites guide people along with
> different pages for different steps - don't put too much information on
> each page.
>
> We spend an inordinate amount of time with people that just don't 'get'
> what the EUS form wants them to do.  We find that they don't why they need
> to move the pin to their location or have no idea what Captcha is.
>
> We could spend the money to have someone write (and maintain) a page to
> work with the API, but that's what we pay TowerCoverage for.
>
> The back end is there, now it just needs a better user interface.  Often
> the people writing web site backends are not the same people writing the
> front end, it's a whole different way of thinking.
>
> We give you the ability to edit the text in the landing page they get to
> explain what happens next.  You can also edit the text on the title of the
> iframe.  If you’re using the API and have your own form then obviously you
> can explain how it works there.  Not much we can do about users that don’t
> read the instructions and message text before just hitting back and
> resubmitting.
>
>
>
> We’re open to suggestions on better ways to do things.
>
>
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
> Behalf Of *James Wilson
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 29, 2016 10:00 AM
> *To:* WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Resends of TowerCoverage Website Submissions
>
>
>
> Could be the prospective customer is expecting an instant reply about
> service availability and fills out the form and retries.
>
> I've watched people fill out the form.  It's unintuitive and confuses a
> lot of people.
>
> On Jun 29, 2016 10:50 AM, "Jim Patient" <jpati...@linktechs.net> wrote:
>
> Take a look at your EUS data.  Lanich hit submit 3 times about 30 seconds
> apart.   Did you get multiple emails for Cutlip EUS? Cutlip has a single
> submission.
>
>
>
> When a customer goes back to submit again they would need to re-captia so
> it’s not like they can just click and click again.
>
>
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 28, 2016 9:05 PM
> *To:* WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Resends of TowerCoverage Website Submissions
>
>
>
> Here's my example:
>
> http://imgur.com/PyRgVoh
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 10:03 PM, Adair Winter <
> ada...@amarillowireless.net> wrote:
>
> We've never seen that.
>
> On Jun 28, 2016 8:59 PM, "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> wrote:
>
> Is anyone else getting duplicates or triplicates of the email
> notifications?  It seems to come and go.  I really doubt customers are
> clicking it fast and it seems to come and go.  There is only one API 

Re: [WISPA] Resends of TowerCoverage Website Submissions

[James Wilson]

Wosh it would, it's almlst there as far as functionality.   Get the UI
fixed, and make it work on mobile devices and it would be great!
On Jun 29, 2016 2:13 PM, "Judd Dare" <judd.d...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I've been telling Jim the same thing for a long time. You've worded it
> better than me. Their UI/UX needs some serious outside help, but while they
> claim to be open to suggestions, they won't hire the help, or maybe they
> just don't understand the difference they'd achieve with a quality user
> experience.
>
> I think they are stuck in the 90's when it comes to web design and layout.
>
> I don't foresee this changing anytime soon.
>
> Judd
>
> On Jun 29, 2016 10:54 AM, "James Wilson" <ja...@ridgecomms.com> wrote:
>
>> I don't have all of the answers, but there are people that do web
>> page design to make it more intuitive.  Here are some examples:
>>
>>
>> http://www.creativebloq.com/web-design/5-ways-make-your-web-designs-more-intuitive-91516938
>>
>> http://www.designforfounders.com/web-app-ux/
>>
>> I don't know how to do this, but there are consultants that do.  The
>> functionality of TowerCoverage is there, but the user interface is lacking.
>>
>> You can complain about people not reading directions or you can make its
>> easier to read the directions - or make the flow so that they don't even
>> need to read the directions.  The best sites guide people along with
>> different pages for different steps - don't put too much information on
>> each page.
>>
>> We spend an inordinate amount of time with people that just don't 'get'
>> what the EUS form wants them to do.  We find that they don't why they need
>> to move the pin to their location or have no idea what Captcha is.
>>
>> We could spend the money to have someone write (and maintain) a page to
>> work with the API, but that's what we pay TowerCoverage for.
>>
>> The back end is there, now it just needs a better user interface.  Often
>> the people writing web site backends are not the same people writing the
>> front end, it's a whole different way of thinking.
>>
>> We give you the ability to edit the text in the landing page they get to
>> explain what happens next.  You can also edit the text on the title of the
>> iframe.  If you’re using the API and have your own form then obviously you
>> can explain how it works there.  Not much we can do about users that don’t
>> read the instructions and message text before just hitting back and
>> resubmitting.
>>
>>
>>
>> We’re open to suggestions on better ways to do things.
>>
>>
>>
>> Jim
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
>> Behalf Of *James Wilson
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 29, 2016 10:00 AM
>> *To:* WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Resends of TowerCoverage Website Submissions
>>
>>
>>
>> Could be the prospective customer is expecting an instant reply about
>> service availability and fills out the form and retries.
>>
>> I've watched people fill out the form.  It's unintuitive and confuses a
>> lot of people.
>>
>> On Jun 29, 2016 10:50 AM, "Jim Patient" <jpati...@linktechs.net> wrote:
>>
>> Take a look at your EUS data.  Lanich hit submit 3 times about 30 seconds
>> apart.   Did you get multiple emails for Cutlip EUS? Cutlip has a single
>> submission.
>>
>>
>>
>> When a customer goes back to submit again they would need to re-captia so
>> it’s not like they can just click and click again.
>>
>>
>>
>> Jim
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
>> Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 28, 2016 9:05 PM
>> *To:* WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Resends of TowerCoverage Website Submissions
>>
>>
>>
>> Here's my example:
>>
>> http://imgur.com/PyRgVoh
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 10:03 PM, Adair Winter <
>> ada...@amarillowireless.net> wrote:
>>
>> We've never seen that.
>>
>> On Jun 28, 2016 8:59 PM, "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Is anyone else getting duplicates or triplicates of th

Re: [WISPA] Resends of TowerCoverage Website Submissions

[James Wilson]

I don't have all of the answers, but there are people that do web
page design to make it more intuitive.  Here are some examples:

http://www.creativebloq.com/web-design/5-ways-make-your-web-designs-more-intuitive-91516938

http://www.designforfounders.com/web-app-ux/

I don't know how to do this, but there are consultants that do.  The
functionality of TowerCoverage is there, but the user interface is lacking.

You can complain about people not reading directions or you can make its
easier to read the directions - or make the flow so that they don't even
need to read the directions.  The best sites guide people along with
different pages for different steps - don't put too much information on
each page.

We spend an inordinate amount of time with people that just don't 'get'
what the EUS form wants them to do.  We find that they don't why they need
to move the pin to their location or have no idea what Captcha is.

We could spend the money to have someone write (and maintain) a page to
work with the API, but that's what we pay TowerCoverage for.

The back end is there, now it just needs a better user interface.  Often
the people writing web site backends are not the same people writing the
front end, it's a whole different way of thinking.

We give you the ability to edit the text in the landing page they get to
explain what happens next.  You can also edit the text on the title of the
iframe.  If you’re using the API and have your own form then obviously you
can explain how it works there.  Not much we can do about users that don’t
read the instructions and message text before just hitting back and
resubmitting.



We’re open to suggestions on better ways to do things.



Jim



*From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
Behalf Of *James Wilson
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 29, 2016 10:00 AM
*To:* WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Resends of TowerCoverage Website Submissions



Could be the prospective customer is expecting an instant reply about
service availability and fills out the form and retries.

I've watched people fill out the form.  It's unintuitive and confuses a lot
of people.

On Jun 29, 2016 10:50 AM, "Jim Patient" <jpati...@linktechs.net> wrote:

Take a look at your EUS data.  Lanich hit submit 3 times about 30 seconds
apart.   Did you get multiple emails for Cutlip EUS? Cutlip has a single
submission.



When a customer goes back to submit again they would need to re-captia so
it’s not like they can just click and click again.



Jim



*From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 28, 2016 9:05 PM
*To:* WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Resends of TowerCoverage Website Submissions



Here's my example:

http://imgur.com/PyRgVoh




Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 10:03 PM, Adair Winter <ada...@amarillowireless.net>
wrote:

We've never seen that.

On Jun 28, 2016 8:59 PM, "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:

Is anyone else getting duplicates or triplicates of the email
notifications?  It seems to come and go.  I really doubt customers are
clicking it fast and it seems to come and go.  There is only one API push
which I believe confirms customers are only clicking it once.



Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



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Re: [WISPA] Resends of TowerCoverage Website Submissions

[James Wilson]

Could be the prospective customer is expecting an instant reply about
service availability and fills out the form and retries.

I've watched people fill out the form.  It's unintuitive and confuses a lot
of people.
On Jun 29, 2016 10:50 AM, "Jim Patient"  wrote:

> Take a look at your EUS data.  Lanich hit submit 3 times about 30 seconds
> apart.   Did you get multiple emails for Cutlip EUS? Cutlip has a single
> submission.
>
>
>
> When a customer goes back to submit again they would need to re-captia so
> it’s not like they can just click and click again.
>
>
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 28, 2016 9:05 PM
> *To:* WISPA General List 
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Resends of TowerCoverage Website Submissions
>
>
>
> Here's my example:
>
> http://imgur.com/PyRgVoh
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 10:03 PM, Adair Winter <
> ada...@amarillowireless.net> wrote:
>
> We've never seen that.
>
> On Jun 28, 2016 8:59 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
> wrote:
>
> Is anyone else getting duplicates or triplicates of the email
> notifications?  It seems to come and go.  I really doubt customers are
> clicking it fast and it seems to come and go.  There is only one API push
> which I believe confirms customers are only clicking it once.
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
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Re: [WISPA] Resends of TowerCoverage Website Submissions

[James Wilson]

It's not happening to us right now, but it has happened in the past.
On Jun 28, 2016 9:59 PM, "Josh Luthman"  wrote:

> Is anyone else getting duplicates or triplicates of the email
> notifications?  It seems to come and go.  I really doubt customers are
> clicking it fast and it seems to come and go.  There is only one API push
> which I believe confirms customers are only clicking it once.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
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