Re: [WISPA] Portable Alternators?

2013-05-09 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
...@snappytelecom.net - Original Message - From: Roger Howard g5inter...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2013 10:14:25 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Portable Alternators? Alternatively, run your equipment on DC from an Iota DLS charger, which is constantly

[WISPA] Portable Alternators?

2013-05-08 Thread Matt Hoppes
This is the third time in about two years that we've had some major power outages across our region due to the supplier lines going down. Every time the situation is the same, We roll out our portable generators to a few of our smaller sites that don't have full-time generators -- and every

Re: [WISPA] Portable Alternators?

2013-05-08 Thread can...@believewireless.net
On our APC UPSs we set the sensitivity to low and they work fine on every portable generator we've thrown at them. On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.comwrote: This is the third time in about two years that we've had some major power outages across our region

Re: [WISPA] Portable Alternators?

2013-05-08 Thread Matt Hoppes
So you trick your APCs into allowing dirty power through to your equipment? ;-) I'm trying to avoid doing that. On 5/8/13 12:58 PM, can...@believewireless.net wrote: On our APC UPSs we set the sensitivity to low and they work fine on every portable generator we've thrown at them. On Wed,

Re: [WISPA] Portable Alternators?

2013-05-08 Thread Chris Fabien
I am not sure exactly what you are getting at by using the term alternator. But a good option is any of the honda or yamaha inverter generators. These have a DC generator system running a power inverter so the power output is much more constant. They are also quieter and more fuel efficient

Re: [WISPA] Portable Alternators?

2013-05-08 Thread Matt Hoppes
I'm looking at inverters as a solution. We have several generators (they increase throttle based on load and generally have very unclean power). We also have one Sear Alternator that runs at a constant RPM and provides some of the cleanest power I've ever seen. 60Hz on the nose @ 120volts.

Re: [WISPA] Portable Alternators?

2013-05-08 Thread Chris Fabien
Do you have equipment that is very sensitive to frequency? Most newer stuff uses switch-mode supplies which typically can operate fine over a wide range of voltages and frequencies. On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 1:12 PM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.comwrote: I'm looking at inverters as a

Re: [WISPA] Portable Alternators?

2013-05-08 Thread Matt Hoppes
Not that I've noticed -- it all runs fine when we plug it into the generator directly -- but why chance it? On 5/8/13 1:16 PM, Chris Fabien wrote: Do you have equipment that is very sensitive to frequency? Most newer stuff uses switch-mode supplies which typically can operate fine over a

Re: [WISPA] Portable Alternators?

2013-05-08 Thread Chris Fabien
Why spend money to fix a problem that's not a problem? Always two ways to look at things! My point is that turning down the UPS sensitivity is a fine solution if the equipment runs ok on the generator. On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 1:18 PM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.comwrote: Not that I've

Re: [WISPA] Portable Alternators?

2013-05-08 Thread Matt Hoppes
Perhaps My concern is what that may do to the clamping ability of the UPS during regular operations? On 5/8/13 1:22 PM, Chris Fabien wrote: Why spend money to fix a problem that's not a problem? Always two ways to look at things! My point is that turning down the UPS sensitivity is a

Re: [WISPA] Portable Alternators?

2013-05-08 Thread Joel Mulkey
We've noticed that our cheap generators won't charge the UPSs back up without some extra load to stabilize things. To provide that load we include a 500w or 1000w halogen construction light with each generator kit. Plug the light in and the voltage stabilizes, which allows the UPS to kick back

Re: [WISPA] Portable Alternators?

2013-05-08 Thread Matt Hoppes
Now that is a creative solution! That's exactly the problem -- I believe. The generators don't have enough load with the small pull the WISP equipment has. On 5/8/13 1:27 PM, Joel Mulkey wrote: We've noticed that our cheap generators won't charge the UPSs back up without some extra load to

Re: [WISPA] Portable Alternators?

2013-05-08 Thread Ryan Spott
You probably want something like this: http://www.americanpowerinc.com/6012G%20DC%20Charger.htm Go straight to the battery. Monitor closely. The honda and other model inverter generators usually only put out a small amount of amperage via DC only. ryan On 5/8/2013 10:27 AM, Joel Mulkey

Re: [WISPA] Portable Alternators?

2013-05-08 Thread Blair Davis
Especially with those small, cheap 2-cycle, 800-1000W generators, a 200-400W light stabilizes it well. -- On 5/8/2013 1:27 PM, Joel Mulkey wrote: We've noticed that our cheap generators won't charge the UPSs back up without some extra load to

Re: [WISPA] Portable Alternators?

2013-05-08 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
The other option I've used is to use one of the tripplite online UPS'es which have a *Very wide* input frequency range. Because it's online, it will take the power from the gen, and then clean it up to the right frequency for the load. -forrest On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 10:55 AM, Matt Hoppes

Re: [WISPA] Portable Alternators?

2013-05-08 Thread Chris Hudson
: Re: [WISPA] Portable Alternators? The other option I've used is to use one of the tripplite online UPS'es which have a *Very wide* input frequency range. Because it's online, it will take the power from the gen, and then clean it up to the right frequency for the load. -forrest On Wed

Re: [WISPA] Portable Alternators?

2013-05-08 Thread Roger Howard
Alternatively, run your equipment on DC from an Iota DLS charger, which is constantly trickle charging some batteries. When the power goes out, it will run a lot longer because you're not converting (like a UPS) from DC coming out of your batteries to AC and then converting from AC back to DC