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Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

2009-01-12 Thread Joe Laura

Just ran across this from yesterday.
http://www.nola.com/news/index.ssf/2009/01/worker_dies_in_fall_from_billb.html
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> Our tower crews are allowed to pick and choose what they like for
> Harness and Lanyards as long as it's approved by our safety manager.
> They all choose the exofit harness by DBSALA with the seat.  I prefer
> this one as well.  The new ones have a spring in the that makes the rear
> ring stick up,  very nice.
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[WISPA] Tower accident

2009-01-12 Thread Dustin Jurman

Our tower crews are allowed to pick and choose what they like for
Harness and Lanyards as long as it's approved by our safety manager.
They all choose the exofit harness by DBSALA with the seat.  I prefer
this one as well.  The new ones have a spring in the that makes the rear
ring stick up,  very nice.

http://tinyurl.com/75m25v

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Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

2009-01-09 Thread D. Ryan Spott

http://en.petzl.com/petzl/ProFamille?Famille=26

I use the same helmet for Mountaineering, Tower Work and River rescue 
for the fire department.

Lightweight durable and the built in head-lamp holders are worth their 
weight in gold.

Make sure you get one that is just small enough to fit on your head 
tight when it is ratcheted all the way down with the adjustment wheel.  
That way when it is cold outside, you can fit a hat under it.

ryan

Matt wrote:
>> The last harness we bought had a bar across the seat. My guys like that
>> better because it lets them rest more on their butts than their legs
>> while working on the side of the tower.
>> I think it's Elk River Eagle Tower LX Harness. Not sure exactly though,
>> it's listed at 227.95 and I thought we paid more for ours.
>> Steve Barnes wrote:
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> What is everyone using for hardhats?  That dont fall off?
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Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

2009-01-09 Thread John McDowell

We just ordered two petzl helmets from Midwest unlimited

On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 9:04 AM, Matt  wrote:

> > The last harness we bought had a bar across the seat. My guys like that
> > better because it lets them rest more on their butts than their legs
> > while working on the side of the tower.
> > I think it's Elk River Eagle Tower LX Harness. Not sure exactly though,
> > it's listed at 227.95 and I thought we paid more for ours.
> > Steve Barnes wrote:
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Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

2009-01-09 Thread Matt

> The last harness we bought had a bar across the seat. My guys like that
> better because it lets them rest more on their butts than their legs
> while working on the side of the tower.
> I think it's Elk River Eagle Tower LX Harness. Not sure exactly though,
> it's listed at 227.95 and I thought we paid more for ours.
> Steve Barnes wrote:

What is everyone using for hardhats?  That dont fall off?

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Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

2009-01-09 Thread Brian Rohrbacher





That is the one I have.  It's really nice.

George Rogato wrote:

  The last harness we bought had a bar across the seat. My guys like that 
better because it lets them rest more on their butts than their legs 
while working on the side of the tower.
I think it's Elk River Eagle Tower LX Harness. Not sure exactly though, 
it's listed at 227.95 and I thought we paid more for ours.




Steve Barnes wrote:
  
  
That's what I like about this list, most every shoots straight to the
point.  Safety over the check book.  So with that said what are some
good sources, (Websites) for climbing gear.  I know Tessco, trying to
find some competing prices.

Steve Barnes
RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service

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Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 9:25 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

Our guys like Exofit the best so that's what we buy.  Don't go cheap on 
safety gear, you can't afford it.

Jim

Blair Davis wrote:


  I use mine 3-4 times a month.  Spent $500 lanyards and harness.  A 
good set will last many years, be comfortable and safe.  Spend the 
money, you won't regret it.

Steve Barnes wrote:
  
  
New Question on this thread.  I need a inexpensive harness.  I never
climb more than 30 feet on well secured TV towers but Would like to

  

let


  
go at the top and getting tired of my "fall out of tree while hunting
harness".  I use it less than 3 times a month so I hate to spend $400
for a rig.  Any suggestions. 

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Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

2009-01-09 Thread George Rogato

The last harness we bought had a bar across the seat. My guys like that 
better because it lets them rest more on their butts than their legs 
while working on the side of the tower.
I think it's Elk River Eagle Tower LX Harness. Not sure exactly though, 
it's listed at 227.95 and I thought we paid more for ours.




Steve Barnes wrote:
> That's what I like about this list, most every shoots straight to the
> point.  Safety over the check book.  So with that said what are some
> good sources, (Websites) for climbing gear.  I know Tessco, trying to
> find some competing prices.
> 
> Steve Barnes
> RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service
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> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Jim Patient
> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 9:25 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
> 
> Our guys like Exofit the best so that's what we buy.  Don't go cheap on 
> safety gear, you can't afford it.
> 
> Jim
> 
> Blair Davis wrote:
>> I use mine 3-4 times a month.  Spent $500 lanyards and harness.  A 
>> good set will last many years, be comfortable and safe.  Spend the 
>> money, you won't regret it.
>>
>> Steve Barnes wrote:
>>> New Question on this thread.  I need a inexpensive harness.  I never
>>> climb more than 30 feet on well secured TV towers but Would like to
> let
>>> go at the top and getting tired of my "fall out of tree while hunting
>>> harness".  I use it less than 3 times a month so I hate to spend $400
>>> for a rig.  Any suggestions. 
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Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

2009-01-08 Thread lakeland

Definately Midwest Unlimited. Buy from a company in the tower business.
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Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 13:43:37 
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That's what I like about this list, most every shoots straight to the
point.  Safety over the check book.  So with that said what are some
good sources, (Websites) for climbing gear.  I know Tessco, trying to
find some competing prices.

Steve Barnes
RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service

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Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 9:25 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

Our guys like Exofit the best so that's what we buy.  Don't go cheap on 
safety gear, you can't afford it.

Jim

Blair Davis wrote:
> I use mine 3-4 times a month.  Spent $500 lanyards and harness.  A 
> good set will last many years, be comfortable and safe.  Spend the 
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> Steve Barnes wrote:
>> New Question on this thread.  I need a inexpensive harness.  I never
>> climb more than 30 feet on well secured TV towers but Would like to
let
>> go at the top and getting tired of my "fall out of tree while hunting
>> harness".  I use it less than 3 times a month so I hate to spend $400
>> for a rig.  Any suggestions. 
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Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

2009-01-08 Thread John McDowell

Ever since Midwest Unlimited was recommended, we have been buying gear from
them.

On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 12:52 PM, 3-dB Networks  wrote:

> While I have yet to buy from them... Midwest Unlimited is what the Comtrain
> guys recommended over anyone.  My next order will probably be from them.
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> That's what I like about this list, most every shoots straight to the
> point.  Safety over the check book.  So with that said what are some
> good sources, (Websites) for climbing gear.  I know Tessco, trying to
> find some competing prices.
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
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> Our guys like Exofit the best so that's what we buy.  Don't go cheap on
> safety gear, you can't afford it.
>
> Jim
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> Blair Davis wrote:
> > I use mine 3-4 times a month.  Spent $500 lanyards and harness.  A
> > good set will last many years, be comfortable and safe.  Spend the
> > money, you won't regret it.
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> >> New Question on this thread.  I need a inexpensive harness.  I never
> >> climb more than 30 feet on well secured TV towers but Would like to
> let
> >> go at the top and getting tired of my "fall out of tree while hunting
> >> harness".  I use it less than 3 times a month so I hate to spend $400
> >> for a rig.  Any suggestions.
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Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

2009-01-08 Thread Blair Davis





I had the exact same thought!

3-dB Networks wrote:

  Something about that name doesn't sound right :-)

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Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 11:49 AM
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http://www.discountsafetygear.com/ 


 
 
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Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 10:44 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

That's what I like about this list, most every shoots straight to the
point.  Safety over the check book.  So with that said what are some
good sources, (Websites) for climbing gear.  I know Tessco, trying to
find some competing prices.

Steve Barnes
RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jim Patient
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 9:25 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

Our guys like Exofit the best so that's what we buy.  Don't go cheap on
safety gear, you can't afford it.

Jim

Blair Davis wrote:
  
  
I use mine 3-4 times a month.  Spent $500 lanyards and harness.  A 
good set will last many years, be comfortable and safe.  Spend the 
money, you won't regret it.

Steve Barnes wrote:


  New Question on this thread.  I need a inexpensive harness.  I never 
climb more than 30 feet on well secured TV towers but Would like to
  

  
  let
  
  

  go at the top and getting tired of my "fall out of tree while hunting
  

  
  
  
  

  harness".  I use it less than 3 times a month so I hate to spend $400
  

  
  
  
  

  for a rig.  Any suggestions.

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Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

2009-01-08 Thread Jerry Richardson

Yeah, I though it a bit contradictory.looks like they have a pretty
good range of stuff. 


 
 
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Something about that name doesn't sound right :-)

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http://www.discountsafetygear.com/ 


 
 
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That's what I like about this list, most every shoots straight to the
point.  Safety over the check book.  So with that said what are some
good sources, (Websites) for climbing gear.  I know Tessco, trying to
find some competing prices.

Steve Barnes
RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service

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Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 9:25 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

Our guys like Exofit the best so that's what we buy.  Don't go cheap on
safety gear, you can't afford it.

Jim

Blair Davis wrote:
> I use mine 3-4 times a month.  Spent $500 lanyards and harness.  A 
> good set will last many years, be comfortable and safe.  Spend the 
> money, you won't regret it.
>
> Steve Barnes wrote:
>> New Question on this thread.  I need a inexpensive harness.  I never 
>> climb more than 30 feet on well secured TV towers but Would like to
let
>> go at the top and getting tired of my "fall out of tree while hunting

>> harness".  I use it less than 3 times a month so I hate to spend $400

>> for a rig.  Any suggestions.
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Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

2009-01-08 Thread 3-dB Networks

Something about that name doesn't sound right :-)

Daniel White
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Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 11:49 AM
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http://www.discountsafetygear.com/ 


 
 
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Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 10:44 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

That's what I like about this list, most every shoots straight to the
point.  Safety over the check book.  So with that said what are some
good sources, (Websites) for climbing gear.  I know Tessco, trying to
find some competing prices.

Steve Barnes
RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service

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Behalf Of Jim Patient
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 9:25 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

Our guys like Exofit the best so that's what we buy.  Don't go cheap on
safety gear, you can't afford it.

Jim

Blair Davis wrote:
> I use mine 3-4 times a month.  Spent $500 lanyards and harness.  A 
> good set will last many years, be comfortable and safe.  Spend the 
> money, you won't regret it.
>
> Steve Barnes wrote:
>> New Question on this thread.  I need a inexpensive harness.  I never 
>> climb more than 30 feet on well secured TV towers but Would like to
let
>> go at the top and getting tired of my "fall out of tree while hunting

>> harness".  I use it less than 3 times a month so I hate to spend $400

>> for a rig.  Any suggestions.
>>
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>> RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service
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Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

2009-01-08 Thread 3-dB Networks

While I have yet to buy from them... Midwest Unlimited is what the Comtrain
guys recommended over anyone.  My next order will probably be from them.

http://www.midwestunlimited.com

Daniel White
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Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 11:44 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

That's what I like about this list, most every shoots straight to the
point.  Safety over the check book.  So with that said what are some
good sources, (Websites) for climbing gear.  I know Tessco, trying to
find some competing prices.

Steve Barnes
RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service

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Behalf Of Jim Patient
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 9:25 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

Our guys like Exofit the best so that's what we buy.  Don't go cheap on 
safety gear, you can't afford it.

Jim

Blair Davis wrote:
> I use mine 3-4 times a month.  Spent $500 lanyards and harness.  A 
> good set will last many years, be comfortable and safe.  Spend the 
> money, you won't regret it.
>
> Steve Barnes wrote:
>> New Question on this thread.  I need a inexpensive harness.  I never
>> climb more than 30 feet on well secured TV towers but Would like to
let
>> go at the top and getting tired of my "fall out of tree while hunting
>> harness".  I use it less than 3 times a month so I hate to spend $400
>> for a rig.  Any suggestions. 
>>
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>> RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service
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Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

2009-01-08 Thread Jerry Richardson

http://www.discountsafetygear.com/ 


 
 
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Steve Barnes
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 10:44 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

That's what I like about this list, most every shoots straight to the
point.  Safety over the check book.  So with that said what are some
good sources, (Websites) for climbing gear.  I know Tessco, trying to
find some competing prices.

Steve Barnes
RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service

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Behalf Of Jim Patient
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 9:25 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

Our guys like Exofit the best so that's what we buy.  Don't go cheap on
safety gear, you can't afford it.

Jim

Blair Davis wrote:
> I use mine 3-4 times a month.  Spent $500 lanyards and harness.  A 
> good set will last many years, be comfortable and safe.  Spend the 
> money, you won't regret it.
>
> Steve Barnes wrote:
>> New Question on this thread.  I need a inexpensive harness.  I never 
>> climb more than 30 feet on well secured TV towers but Would like to
let
>> go at the top and getting tired of my "fall out of tree while hunting

>> harness".  I use it less than 3 times a month so I hate to spend $400

>> for a rig.  Any suggestions.
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

2009-01-08 Thread Steve Barnes

That's what I like about this list, most every shoots straight to the
point.  Safety over the check book.  So with that said what are some
good sources, (Websites) for climbing gear.  I know Tessco, trying to
find some competing prices.

Steve Barnes
RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service

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Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 9:25 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

Our guys like Exofit the best so that's what we buy.  Don't go cheap on 
safety gear, you can't afford it.

Jim

Blair Davis wrote:
> I use mine 3-4 times a month.  Spent $500 lanyards and harness.  A 
> good set will last many years, be comfortable and safe.  Spend the 
> money, you won't regret it.
>
> Steve Barnes wrote:
>> New Question on this thread.  I need a inexpensive harness.  I never
>> climb more than 30 feet on well secured TV towers but Would like to
let
>> go at the top and getting tired of my "fall out of tree while hunting
>> harness".  I use it less than 3 times a month so I hate to spend $400
>> for a rig.  Any suggestions. 
>>
>> Steve Barnes
>> RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service
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Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

2009-01-07 Thread Marlon K. Schafer

I spent almost that much for harnesses for use in a truck!

If you wan't spend a little bit for harnesses don't climb.  There are some 
places that you should never scrimp.
marlon

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> New Question on this thread.  I need a inexpensive harness.  I never
> climb more than 30 feet on well secured TV towers but Would like to let
> go at the top and getting tired of my "fall out of tree while hunting
> harness".  I use it less than 3 times a month so I hate to spend $400
> for a rig.  Any suggestions.
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Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

2009-01-07 Thread Jim Patient

Our guys like Exofit the best so that's what we buy.  Don't go cheap on 
safety gear, you can't afford it.

Jim

Blair Davis wrote:
> I use mine 3-4 times a month.  Spent $500 lanyards and harness.  A 
> good set will last many years, be comfortable and safe.  Spend the 
> money, you won't regret it.
>
> Steve Barnes wrote:
>> New Question on this thread.  I need a inexpensive harness.  I never
>> climb more than 30 feet on well secured TV towers but Would like to let
>> go at the top and getting tired of my "fall out of tree while hunting
>> harness".  I use it less than 3 times a month so I hate to spend $400
>> for a rig.  Any suggestions. 
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Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

2009-01-07 Thread Blair Davis





I use mine 3-4 times a month.  Spent $500 lanyards and harness.  A good
set will last many years, be comfortable and safe.  Spend the money,
you won't regret it.

Steve Barnes wrote:

  New Question on this thread.  I need a inexpensive harness.  I never
climb more than 30 feet on well secured TV towers but Would like to let
go at the top and getting tired of my "fall out of tree while hunting
harness".  I use it less than 3 times a month so I hate to spend $400
for a rig.  Any suggestions. 

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Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

2009-01-07 Thread Josh Luthman

Bad idea.  Did we not just have this discussion on always being as safe as
possible?

We used Comtrain's suggested harness and got it at Tessco.  Best decision we
ever made.

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> We don't use our harnesses that much.
>
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> > New Question on this thread.  I need a inexpensive harness.  I never
> > climb more than 30 feet on well secured TV towers but Would like to let
> > go at the top and getting tired of my "fall out of tree while hunting
> > harness".  I use it less than 3 times a month so I hate to spend $400
> > for a rig.  Any suggestions.
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Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

2009-01-07 Thread George Rogato

We don't use our harnesses that much.



Steve Barnes wrote:
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> climb more than 30 feet on well secured TV towers but Would like to let
> go at the top and getting tired of my "fall out of tree while hunting
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Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

2009-01-07 Thread Steve Barnes

New Question on this thread.  I need a inexpensive harness.  I never
climb more than 30 feet on well secured TV towers but Would like to let
go at the top and getting tired of my "fall out of tree while hunting
harness".  I use it less than 3 times a month so I hate to spend $400
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Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

2009-01-07 Thread Chuck Hogg

You are right in your points made.  Everyone can play devil's advocate
for every possible situation.  I value my life as much as I do an
employee. As much as I like climbing, I don't have the time to play in
that as much as my employees do.

Regards,
Chuck


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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

> Spending less than $1k on rescue
> training per employee is pennies compared to the life of our
employees.

I fully agree. (when talking about employees).

In my case, I'm the climber, and company owner and OSHA exempt because
of 
that.
I prefer not to subject my empoyees to risk, unless absolutely
necessary. 
I'm counting on myself being more careful, than a typical climber,
because I 
understand
the risk that I could die if I am careless, and willing to take the
risk. 
(considering I typically only do easy stuff, otehrwise outsource)

But if we outsource to a single climber, I always am on the ground, so I
am 
ready to do a rescue, if needed.

> Hanging in the harness for more than 15 minutes
> is hazardous and most likely deadly if there is an injury

Yes, thats the thing the ground person, needs to make a quick
decession 
on the risks of the accident.
For example, if the climber was inverted, they would likely be dead
before 
remote rescuers would arrive.
But then again, if I was at 350ft, my ground guy would never make it up
in 
time to save me, if I was inverted.

The reality here is, the proper safety needs to be done in advance, to 
prevent the accident in the first place, and minimize risk if an
accident 
occured.
Using a proper fitted harness, using the proper DRing for the type tie
off, 
etc.
If there is a serious accident, it is likely going to be bad news anyway
it 
goes down.

There are also different kinds of reasons why someone might fall. Its
not 
only because of carelessness. For example, what if they had a heart
attack?
Would the rescuer effectively be able to do CPR at 300ft?

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: "Chuck Hogg" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 9:29 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident


> The only downside to relying on the EMS/Fire Dept. is that most of
them
> are not trained in high altitude rescue.  ComTrain actually recommends
a
> 3 minute response time from EMS/Fire is required for a rescue, and
they
> have to have the training to do a high altitude rescue (again, we are
20
> mins outside of Louisville, and there is only 2 people on the fire
> department that can do the rescue for 75+ ft towers).
>
> The real danger comes from the emergency of the incident.  An EMS/Fire
> Dept is going to take approximately 5-15 minutes to arrive.
> Additionally, they will take approximately 5-15 minutes to setup and
> assess the situation.  Hanging in the harness for more than 15 minutes
> is hazardous and most likely deadly if there is an injury.
>
> For my certification rescue, the person I was rescuing was a first
time
> climber. Didn't even have equipment yet.  He borrowed someone else's
> equipment, and hung off the side of the tower.  He never adjusted the
> harness, and it ended up choking him, the guy was 350 lbs.  I had a
real
> rescue to do as the harness was choked up around his jugular and he
was
> turning white.  The whole rescue took approximately 5 minutes, and he
> almost passed out when we reached the ground.
>
> This was a perfect scenario though, because the rescue rig, safety
rope,
> everything was already in place.  It took approximately 20 minutes
just
> to rig up the equipment to do the rescue when we had arrived at the
> tower.  So, waiting for Fire/EMS is not really an acceptable case for
a
> ground worker, even OSHA says it is not.
>
> We have 3 climbers, all trained in rescue.  Nobody climbs anymore
> without 2 of the 3 being there.  Spending less than $1k on rescue
> training per employee is pennies compared to the life of our
employees.
>
> Regards,
> Chuck Hogg
> Avolutia, LLC
> 502-722-9292
> ch...@avolutia.com
> www.avolutia.com
> www.shelbywireless.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
> Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 4:08 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>
> We NEVER climb without a second person on the ground, that is also
> equiped
> with a full harness and safety rig, if they had to climb in an
> emergency.
> However, although our ground guy is capable of climbing does not mean
he
> is
> skilled in tower res

Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

2009-01-07 Thread Tom DeReggi

> Spending less than $1k on rescue
> training per employee is pennies compared to the life of our employees.

I fully agree. (when talking about employees).

In my case, I'm the climber, and company owner and OSHA exempt because of 
that.
I prefer not to subject my empoyees to risk, unless absolutely necessary. 
I'm counting on myself being more careful, than a typical climber, because I 
understand
the risk that I could die if I am careless, and willing to take the risk. 
(considering I typically only do easy stuff, otehrwise outsource)

But if we outsource to a single climber, I always am on the ground, so I am 
ready to do a rescue, if needed.

> Hanging in the harness for more than 15 minutes
> is hazardous and most likely deadly if there is an injury

Yes, thats the thing the ground person, needs to make a quick decession 
on the risks of the accident.
For example, if the climber was inverted, they would likely be dead before 
remote rescuers would arrive.
But then again, if I was at 350ft, my ground guy would never make it up in 
time to save me, if I was inverted.

The reality here is, the proper safety needs to be done in advance, to 
prevent the accident in the first place, and minimize risk if an accident 
occured.
Using a proper fitted harness, using the proper DRing for the type tie off, 
etc.
If there is a serious accident, it is likely going to be bad news anyway it 
goes down.

There are also different kinds of reasons why someone might fall. Its not 
only because of carelessness. For example, what if they had a heart attack?
Would the rescuer effectively be able to do CPR at 300ft?

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: "Chuck Hogg" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 9:29 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident


> The only downside to relying on the EMS/Fire Dept. is that most of them
> are not trained in high altitude rescue.  ComTrain actually recommends a
> 3 minute response time from EMS/Fire is required for a rescue, and they
> have to have the training to do a high altitude rescue (again, we are 20
> mins outside of Louisville, and there is only 2 people on the fire
> department that can do the rescue for 75+ ft towers).
>
> The real danger comes from the emergency of the incident.  An EMS/Fire
> Dept is going to take approximately 5-15 minutes to arrive.
> Additionally, they will take approximately 5-15 minutes to setup and
> assess the situation.  Hanging in the harness for more than 15 minutes
> is hazardous and most likely deadly if there is an injury.
>
> For my certification rescue, the person I was rescuing was a first time
> climber. Didn't even have equipment yet.  He borrowed someone else's
> equipment, and hung off the side of the tower.  He never adjusted the
> harness, and it ended up choking him, the guy was 350 lbs.  I had a real
> rescue to do as the harness was choked up around his jugular and he was
> turning white.  The whole rescue took approximately 5 minutes, and he
> almost passed out when we reached the ground.
>
> This was a perfect scenario though, because the rescue rig, safety rope,
> everything was already in place.  It took approximately 20 minutes just
> to rig up the equipment to do the rescue when we had arrived at the
> tower.  So, waiting for Fire/EMS is not really an acceptable case for a
> ground worker, even OSHA says it is not.
>
> We have 3 climbers, all trained in rescue.  Nobody climbs anymore
> without 2 of the 3 being there.  Spending less than $1k on rescue
> training per employee is pennies compared to the life of our employees.
>
> Regards,
> Chuck Hogg
> Avolutia, LLC
> 502-722-9292
> ch...@avolutia.com
> www.avolutia.com
> www.shelbywireless.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 4:08 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>
> We NEVER climb without a second person on the ground, that is also
> equiped
> with a full harness and safety rig, if they had to climb in an
> emergency.
> However, although our ground guy is capable of climbing does not mean he
> is
> skilled in tower rescue. Our guy is trained NOT to climb to perform a
> risky
> rescue, unless it is a situation that is absolutely necessary or low
> risk.
> He's trained to call 911 first. In our county, the fire trucks and
> helicopters would be there in less time than he could make it up the
> tower.
>
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Josh Luthman" 
&g

Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

2009-01-07 Thread Jim Patient

Unless it's changed in the last couple years a cage is good for 20' in 
industry.  There must be a landing every 20' and the next ladder must be 
offset and 20' to the next land.  more than 20' to a land you must tie 
even if there is a cage.  There was an exception for overhead crane 
operators to access the cab they could climb farther without being tied 
off but there must be a cage on the crane access ladder.

Aside from that if your feet are 6' off the ground and you are not on a 
catwalk complete with 42" hand rail,  knee rail, and toe plate, then 
OSHA says you must be tied off.  OSHA is not as bad as MSHA.  OSHA will 
issue the company a citation.  MSHA will hand you a personal citation 
and you must pay the fine.

Jim

Chuck Hogg wrote:
> I believe a cage is an acceptable OSHA fall restraint.  This was
> reviewed during my recent ComTrain class in Orlando.  The only issue is
> if you get on the platform, you have no fall arrest and thus you are
> supposed to wear a harness.  
>
>  
>
> I myself don't do 100% tie off going up a cage, but I do when I get to
> the top.
>
>  
>
> Chuck
>
>  
>
>  
>
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:05 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>
>  
>
> What do you guys do on elevator/grain legs that have cages around them.
> Usually it's like a 100ft ladder.
>
> Brian
>
> Chuck McCown wrote: 
>
> I used to free climb towers.  Some of them had so much crap on them it
> was 
> the only way to do it (unless you had two belts... perish the thought).
> - Original Message - 
> From: "3-dB Networks"  <mailto:wi...@3-db.net> 
> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
> <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:58 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>  
>  
>   
>
>   And 15 years ago most people climbed towers freestyle... all
> this safety
>   gear is still relatively new isn't it
>
>   Daniel White
>   3-dB Networks
>   http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>
>    
>   -----Original Message-
>   From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>   Behalf Of Chuck McCown
>   Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:50 AM
>   To: WISPA General List
>   Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>
>   Back in the day, we climbed wooden poles with nothing other than
> our hooks
>   and hands.  Once you got up, then you would throw the one single
> belt 
>   around
>
>   the pole.  Most of the time the drop was between 20 and 30 feet.
> Enough 
>   to
>   hurt you pretty bad but probably not kill you.  I "burned" one
> pole one
>   time.  Torn shirt, splinters in my arms.  Funny how quick you
> can hug a 
>   pole
>
>   when you hook hits a knot in the pole.  (The reason it happened
> was I was
>   talking to and showing off for a former girlfriend).  In any
> event, it was
>   the preferred way of climbing.  Much quicker and easier, and
> actually, if
>   the pole was nice and soft, was very safe.
>   - Original Message - 
>   From: "George Rogato" 
> <mailto:wi...@oregonfast.net> 
>   To: "WISPA General List" 
> <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> 
>   Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:12 AM
>   Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>
>
>   
>
>   When you climb, do you only use one lanyard to tie off
> with?
>   Does this mean every time you unclip your lanyard to
> move it  that you
>   are then not tied off at all?
>
>
>   3-dB Networks wrote:
> 
>
>   Well I don't tie off in two places when I'm
> climbing... but when I am in
>   a
>   position I am going to be working at I tie off
> in two different places
>   just
>   in case... because you never know what might
> happen.
>
>   Daniel White
>   3-dB Networks
>   http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>
>   -Original Message-
>   From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>   Behalf Of J

Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

2009-01-07 Thread Blake Bowers

Most Fire Departments ARE very unqualified to
do tower rescues.  Even those that offer high angle rescue
are still not normally trained on towers.

We are working with a couple of state wireless associations
on trying to help that - but it is a very slow process.

At this point however, a couple of times we have been able
to find qualified tower crews to assist - very quickly - as most
rescues so far have been inside metro areas.  In rural areas it won't
happen as quick, and the Fire Departments are not as likely to have
the advanced training.




Don't take your organs to heaven,
heaven knows we need them down here!
Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.

>
> Now fortunately we have all of that... but the Comtrain guys are very 
> quick
> to point out that most fire departments do not have firefighters trained 
> to
> rescue people at height (although if you live in or near the mountains it 
> is
> more likely).
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Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

2009-01-07 Thread 3-dB Networks

That was one of the things I had never thought about until I took the
comtrain course.  It always worked out that when I climbed the guy on the
ground had all the same gear that I did (he used to climb for the company
but his knee started acting up so he had to give it up full time)... but the
thing we didn't have was the correct ropes/equipment to actually make a
rescue.

Now fortunately we have all of that... but the Comtrain guys are very quick
to point out that most fire departments do not have firefighters trained to
rescue people at height (although if you live in or near the mountains it is
more likely).

Daniel White
3-dB Networks
http://www.3dbnetworks.com


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Eric Albert
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 8:33 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

When I was on your side of the business (working for an integrator), I
took the two-day ComTrain course. I usually worked the ground, prepared
loads and worked the winch or tag lines. I was not interested (nor my
wife) in working at height.

But the course taught me valuable lessons; first, I learned what it took
to be safe. It enabled me to watch over the guys about to go up the
structure, check their gear and make sure they had the gear that was
needed to be safe. 

But second and most importantly I learned how to do a rescue. Thankfully
I never needed this skill. Most fire departments as I learned from
ComTrain do not have a clue what it takes to get a man down off of the
steel. Time is precious in those situations. Glad I knew how, glad I
never had to.

So I am curious. For those of you that only need to send one climber to
complete a task, how many of you send two climbers so that there is
always someone certified in rescue on the ground? And if so, are the
equally equipped? 

This is a great topic spurned from a tragic and preventable accident. 




One more note. I hired a crew to do an emergency repair on a Crown tower
we co-located on, in February many years ago. It was REALLY cold. So
they sent a two man crew to replace two Alvarion ODUs. They both climbed
and did not leave a guy on the ground. The first guy was properly
clothed and took his time getting to 325'. The second guy did not like
the cold and decided to climb the second leg and race up to the radios.
I doubt he was 100% or he would not have been able to move that fast. In
the end he exerted himself so much that he sweat on the way up and as
soon as he reached 325', he could not feel his hands or feet. I pulled
him off the tower and told his foreman to never send him on one of my
jobs ever again. At least he left the site under his own power that day.


Eric Albert
Application Engineer
Alvarion Inc.
|

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Chuck Hogg
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:32 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

Climbing a couple legs a day? WOW!  I have a lot more repeaters than
that and we usually only revisit to upgrade or repair.  We're mostly
MikroTik and went and upgraded one of our longest uptime AP's last week.
130+ plus of uptime.  What gear are you using that needs to be revisited
so often?

 

Chuck

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:28 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

 

Well, lately we have backed off.  But for the last 8 months, it seemed
like a couple legs a day (30 sites).  So much for the cheap route I
went

Brian

Chuck Hogg wrote: 

I don't think that you will find an attachment point on a grain leg
safety rated for 5,000lbs.  At least I don't know of any on the grain
legs we are on.  Seems like you are climbing it too much if you need a
cable.
 
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:20 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
 
I have seriously thought about putting a cable going up the center of 
the ladders on all the elevator legs we're on.  There is already one on 
the leg that has no cage.  Then we could clip on a go, with either a 
belt or a light harness (unlike my big sit down elk river harness that 
is a little heavy).  Anyone run these cable before?  What is needed?
 
Brian
 
Chuck Hogg wrote:
  

I believe a cage is an acceptable OSHA fall restraint.  This was
reviewed during my recent ComTrain class in Orlando.  The only
issue


is
  

if you get on the platform, you have no fall arrest and thus you
are
supposed to wear a harness.  
 
 
 
I myself don't do 100% tie off going up a

Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

2009-01-07 Thread Chuck Hogg

The only downside to relying on the EMS/Fire Dept. is that most of them
are not trained in high altitude rescue.  ComTrain actually recommends a
3 minute response time from EMS/Fire is required for a rescue, and they
have to have the training to do a high altitude rescue (again, we are 20
mins outside of Louisville, and there is only 2 people on the fire
department that can do the rescue for 75+ ft towers).

The real danger comes from the emergency of the incident.  An EMS/Fire
Dept is going to take approximately 5-15 minutes to arrive.
Additionally, they will take approximately 5-15 minutes to setup and
assess the situation.  Hanging in the harness for more than 15 minutes
is hazardous and most likely deadly if there is an injury.

For my certification rescue, the person I was rescuing was a first time
climber. Didn't even have equipment yet.  He borrowed someone else's
equipment, and hung off the side of the tower.  He never adjusted the
harness, and it ended up choking him, the guy was 350 lbs.  I had a real
rescue to do as the harness was choked up around his jugular and he was
turning white.  The whole rescue took approximately 5 minutes, and he
almost passed out when we reached the ground.

This was a perfect scenario though, because the rescue rig, safety rope,
everything was already in place.  It took approximately 20 minutes just
to rig up the equipment to do the rescue when we had arrived at the
tower.  So, waiting for Fire/EMS is not really an acceptable case for a
ground worker, even OSHA says it is not.

We have 3 climbers, all trained in rescue.  Nobody climbs anymore
without 2 of the 3 being there.  Spending less than $1k on rescue
training per employee is pennies compared to the life of our employees.

Regards,
Chuck Hogg
Avolutia, LLC
502-722-9292
ch...@avolutia.com
www.avolutia.com
www.shelbywireless.com

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 4:08 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

We NEVER climb without a second person on the ground, that is also
equiped 
with a full harness and safety rig, if they had to climb in an
emergency.
However, although our ground guy is capable of climbing does not mean he
is 
skilled in tower rescue. Our guy is trained NOT to climb to perform a
risky 
rescue, unless it is a situation that is absolutely necessary or low
risk. 
He's trained to call 911 first. In our county, the fire trucks and 
helicopters would be there in less time than he could make it up the
tower.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband

- Original Message - 
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 11:06 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

> My rule has always been 1 man on the ground or at least nearby with a
two
> way radio.  Anything big (you have to climb on the structure, no
> ladder/elevator) 1 person watching.  My thought process is in the
event
> something does happen, someone is there to help and the person
climbing
> isn't stuck in a bad situation.
>
> No exceptions.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
> --- Henry Spencer
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 10:33 PM, Eric Albert 
> wrote:
>
>> When I was on your side of the business (working for an integrator),
I
>> took the two-day ComTrain course. I usually worked the ground,
prepared
>> loads and worked the winch or tag lines. I was not interested (nor my
>> wife) in working at height.
>>
>> But the course taught me valuable lessons; first, I learned what it
took
>> to be safe. It enabled me to watch over the guys about to go up the
>> structure, check their gear and make sure they had the gear that was
>> needed to be safe.
>>
>> But second and most importantly I learned how to do a rescue.
Thankfully
>> I never needed this skill. Most fire departments as I learned from
>> ComTrain do not have a clue what it takes to get a man down off of
the
>> steel. Time is precious in those situations. Glad I knew how, glad I
>> never had to.
>>
>> So I am curious. For those of you that only need to send one climber
to
>> complete a task, how many of you send two climbers so that there is
>> always someone certified in rescue on the ground? And if so, are the
>> equally equipped?
>>
>> This is a great topic spurned from a tragic and preventable accident.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> One more note. I hired a crew to do an emergency repair on a Crown
tower
>> we co-located on, in February many years ago. It

Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

2009-01-07 Thread Tom DeReggi

We NEVER climb without a second person on the ground, that is also equiped 
with a full harness and safety rig, if they had to climb in an emergency.
However, although our ground guy is capable of climbing does not mean he is 
skilled in tower rescue. Our guy is trained NOT to climb to perform a risky 
rescue, unless it is a situation that is absolutely necessary or low risk. 
He's trained to call 911 first. In our county, the fire trucks and 
helicopters would be there in less time than he could make it up the tower.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 11:06 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident


> My rule has always been 1 man on the ground or at least nearby with a two
> way radio.  Anything big (you have to climb on the structure, no
> ladder/elevator) 1 person watching.  My thought process is in the event
> something does happen, someone is there to help and the person climbing
> isn't stuck in a bad situation.
>
> No exceptions.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
> --- Henry Spencer
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 10:33 PM, Eric Albert 
> wrote:
>
>> When I was on your side of the business (working for an integrator), I
>> took the two-day ComTrain course. I usually worked the ground, prepared
>> loads and worked the winch or tag lines. I was not interested (nor my
>> wife) in working at height.
>>
>> But the course taught me valuable lessons; first, I learned what it took
>> to be safe. It enabled me to watch over the guys about to go up the
>> structure, check their gear and make sure they had the gear that was
>> needed to be safe.
>>
>> But second and most importantly I learned how to do a rescue. Thankfully
>> I never needed this skill. Most fire departments as I learned from
>> ComTrain do not have a clue what it takes to get a man down off of the
>> steel. Time is precious in those situations. Glad I knew how, glad I
>> never had to.
>>
>> So I am curious. For those of you that only need to send one climber to
>> complete a task, how many of you send two climbers so that there is
>> always someone certified in rescue on the ground? And if so, are the
>> equally equipped?
>>
>> This is a great topic spurned from a tragic and preventable accident.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> One more note. I hired a crew to do an emergency repair on a Crown tower
>> we co-located on, in February many years ago. It was REALLY cold. So
>> they sent a two man crew to replace two Alvarion ODUs. They both climbed
>> and did not leave a guy on the ground. The first guy was properly
>> clothed and took his time getting to 325'. The second guy did not like
>> the cold and decided to climb the second leg and race up to the radios.
>> I doubt he was 100% or he would not have been able to move that fast. In
>> the end he exerted himself so much that he sweat on the way up and as
>> soon as he reached 325', he could not feel his hands or feet. I pulled
>> him off the tower and told his foreman to never send him on one of my
>> jobs ever again. At least he left the site under his own power that day.
>>
>>
>> Eric Albert
>> Application Engineer
>> Alvarion Inc.
>> |
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Chuck Hogg
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:32 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>>
>> Climbing a couple legs a day? WOW!  I have a lot more repeaters than
>> that and we usually only revisit to upgrade or repair.  We're mostly
>> MikroTik and went and upgraded one of our longest uptime AP's last week.
>> 130+ plus of uptime.  What gear are you using that needs to be revisited
>> so often?
>>
>>
>>
>> Chuck
>>
>>
>>
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:28 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>>
>>
>>
>> Well, lately we have backed off.  But for the last 8 months, it seemed
>> like a couple legs a day (30 sites).  So much for the cheap route I
>> went
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> Chuck Hogg wrote:
>>
>> I

Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

2009-01-06 Thread Josh Luthman

Exactly - if one is unconscious on a tower what is to help them if for not
someone on the ground?

If everyone followed just a small list of safety rules we could prevent the
stories like this...

http://www.fiercewireless.com/story/tower-climbing-deadly-job/2008-07-09

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
--- Henry Spencer


On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 11:13 PM, Blair Davis  wrote:

>  I was taught, many years ago, that you NEVER do aerial work alone.  Never.
>
> I always have someone on the ground.  If to do nothing besides call 911.
>
> Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> My rule has always been 1 man on the ground or at least nearby with a two
> way radio.  Anything big (you have to climb on the structure, no
> ladder/elevator) 1 person watching.  My thought process is in the event
> something does happen, someone is there to help and the person climbing
> isn't stuck in a bad situation.
>
> No exceptions.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
> --- Henry Spencer
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 10:33 PM, Eric Albert  
> wrote:
>
>
>
>  When I was on your side of the business (working for an integrator), I
> took the two-day ComTrain course. I usually worked the ground, prepared
> loads and worked the winch or tag lines. I was not interested (nor my
> wife) in working at height.
>
> But the course taught me valuable lessons; first, I learned what it took
> to be safe. It enabled me to watch over the guys about to go up the
> structure, check their gear and make sure they had the gear that was
> needed to be safe.
>
> But second and most importantly I learned how to do a rescue. Thankfully
> I never needed this skill. Most fire departments as I learned from
> ComTrain do not have a clue what it takes to get a man down off of the
> steel. Time is precious in those situations. Glad I knew how, glad I
> never had to.
>
> So I am curious. For those of you that only need to send one climber to
> complete a task, how many of you send two climbers so that there is
> always someone certified in rescue on the ground? And if so, are the
> equally equipped?
>
> This is a great topic spurned from a tragic and preventable accident.
>
>
>
>
> One more note. I hired a crew to do an emergency repair on a Crown tower
> we co-located on, in February many years ago. It was REALLY cold. So
> they sent a two man crew to replace two Alvarion ODUs. They both climbed
> and did not leave a guy on the ground. The first guy was properly
> clothed and took his time getting to 325'. The second guy did not like
> the cold and decided to climb the second leg and race up to the radios.
> I doubt he was 100% or he would not have been able to move that fast. In
> the end he exerted himself so much that he sweat on the way up and as
> soon as he reached 325', he could not feel his hands or feet. I pulled
> him off the tower and told his foreman to never send him on one of my
> jobs ever again. At least he left the site under his own power that day.
>
>
> Eric Albert
> Application Engineer
> Alvarion Inc.
> |
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
> ] On
> Behalf Of Chuck Hogg
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:32 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>
> Climbing a couple legs a day? WOW!  I have a lot more repeaters than
> that and we usually only revisit to upgrade or repair.  We're mostly
> MikroTik and went and upgraded one of our longest uptime AP's last week.
> 130+ plus of uptime.  What gear are you using that needs to be revisited
> so often?
>
>
>
> Chuck
>
>
>
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
> ] On
> Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:28 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>
>
>
> Well, lately we have backed off.  But for the last 8 months, it seemed
> like a couple legs a day (30 sites).  So much for the cheap route I
> went
>
> Brian
>
> Chuck Hogg wrote:
>
> I don't think that you will find an attachment point on a grain leg
> safety rated for 5,000lbs.  At least I don't know of any on the grain
> legs we are on.  Seems like you are climbing it too much if you need a
> cable.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
> ] On
>

Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

2009-01-06 Thread Blair Davis





I was taught, many years ago, that you NEVER do aerial work alone. 
Never.

I always have someone on the ground.  If to do nothing besides call 911.

Josh Luthman wrote:

  My rule has always been 1 man on the ground or at least nearby with a two
way radio.  Anything big (you have to climb on the structure, no
ladder/elevator) 1 person watching.  My thought process is in the event
something does happen, someone is there to help and the person climbing
isn't stuck in a bad situation.

No exceptions.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
--- Henry Spencer


On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 10:33 PM, Eric Albert wrote:

  
  
When I was on your side of the business (working for an integrator), I
took the two-day ComTrain course. I usually worked the ground, prepared
loads and worked the winch or tag lines. I was not interested (nor my
wife) in working at height.

But the course taught me valuable lessons; first, I learned what it took
to be safe. It enabled me to watch over the guys about to go up the
structure, check their gear and make sure they had the gear that was
needed to be safe.

But second and most importantly I learned how to do a rescue. Thankfully
I never needed this skill. Most fire departments as I learned from
ComTrain do not have a clue what it takes to get a man down off of the
steel. Time is precious in those situations. Glad I knew how, glad I
never had to.

So I am curious. For those of you that only need to send one climber to
complete a task, how many of you send two climbers so that there is
always someone certified in rescue on the ground? And if so, are the
equally equipped?

This is a great topic spurned from a tragic and preventable accident.




One more note. I hired a crew to do an emergency repair on a Crown tower
we co-located on, in February many years ago. It was REALLY cold. So
they sent a two man crew to replace two Alvarion ODUs. They both climbed
and did not leave a guy on the ground. The first guy was properly
clothed and took his time getting to 325'. The second guy did not like
the cold and decided to climb the second leg and race up to the radios.
I doubt he was 100% or he would not have been able to move that fast. In
the end he exerted himself so much that he sweat on the way up and as
soon as he reached 325', he could not feel his hands or feet. I pulled
him off the tower and told his foreman to never send him on one of my
jobs ever again. At least he left the site under his own power that day.


Eric Albert
Application Engineer
Alvarion Inc.
|

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Chuck Hogg
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:32 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

Climbing a couple legs a day? WOW!  I have a lot more repeaters than
that and we usually only revisit to upgrade or repair.  We're mostly
MikroTik and went and upgraded one of our longest uptime AP's last week.
130+ plus of uptime.  What gear are you using that needs to be revisited
so often?



Chuck



From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:28 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident



Well, lately we have backed off.  But for the last 8 months, it seemed
like a couple legs a day (30 sites).  So much for the cheap route I
went

Brian

Chuck Hogg wrote:

I don't think that you will find an attachment point on a grain leg
safety rated for 5,000lbs.  At least I don't know of any on the grain
legs we are on.  Seems like you are climbing it too much if you need a
cable.

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:20 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

I have seriously thought about putting a cable going up the center of
the ladders on all the elevator legs we're on.  There is already one on
the leg that has no cage.  Then we could clip on a go, with either a
belt or a light harness (unlike my big sit down elk river harness that
is a little heavy).  Anyone run these cable before?  What is needed?

Brian

Chuck Hogg wrote:


   I believe a cage is an acceptable OSHA fall restraint.  This was
   reviewed during my recent ComTrain class in Orlando.  The only
issue


is


   if you get on the platform, you have no fall arrest and thus you
are
   supposed to wear a harness.



   I myself don't do 100% tie off going up a cage, but I do when I
get to
   the top.



   Chuck





   From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]


On


   Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
   Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:05 PM

Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

2009-01-06 Thread Josh Luthman

My rule has always been 1 man on the ground or at least nearby with a two
way radio.  Anything big (you have to climb on the structure, no
ladder/elevator) 1 person watching.  My thought process is in the event
something does happen, someone is there to help and the person climbing
isn't stuck in a bad situation.

No exceptions.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
--- Henry Spencer


On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 10:33 PM, Eric Albert wrote:

> When I was on your side of the business (working for an integrator), I
> took the two-day ComTrain course. I usually worked the ground, prepared
> loads and worked the winch or tag lines. I was not interested (nor my
> wife) in working at height.
>
> But the course taught me valuable lessons; first, I learned what it took
> to be safe. It enabled me to watch over the guys about to go up the
> structure, check their gear and make sure they had the gear that was
> needed to be safe.
>
> But second and most importantly I learned how to do a rescue. Thankfully
> I never needed this skill. Most fire departments as I learned from
> ComTrain do not have a clue what it takes to get a man down off of the
> steel. Time is precious in those situations. Glad I knew how, glad I
> never had to.
>
> So I am curious. For those of you that only need to send one climber to
> complete a task, how many of you send two climbers so that there is
> always someone certified in rescue on the ground? And if so, are the
> equally equipped?
>
> This is a great topic spurned from a tragic and preventable accident.
>
>
>
>
> One more note. I hired a crew to do an emergency repair on a Crown tower
> we co-located on, in February many years ago. It was REALLY cold. So
> they sent a two man crew to replace two Alvarion ODUs. They both climbed
> and did not leave a guy on the ground. The first guy was properly
> clothed and took his time getting to 325'. The second guy did not like
> the cold and decided to climb the second leg and race up to the radios.
> I doubt he was 100% or he would not have been able to move that fast. In
> the end he exerted himself so much that he sweat on the way up and as
> soon as he reached 325', he could not feel his hands or feet. I pulled
> him off the tower and told his foreman to never send him on one of my
> jobs ever again. At least he left the site under his own power that day.
>
>
> Eric Albert
> Application Engineer
> Alvarion Inc.
> |
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Chuck Hogg
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:32 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>
> Climbing a couple legs a day? WOW!  I have a lot more repeaters than
> that and we usually only revisit to upgrade or repair.  We're mostly
> MikroTik and went and upgraded one of our longest uptime AP's last week.
> 130+ plus of uptime.  What gear are you using that needs to be revisited
> so often?
>
>
>
> Chuck
>
>
>
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:28 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>
>
>
> Well, lately we have backed off.  But for the last 8 months, it seemed
> like a couple legs a day (30 sites).  So much for the cheap route I
> went
>
> Brian
>
> Chuck Hogg wrote:
>
> I don't think that you will find an attachment point on a grain leg
> safety rated for 5,000lbs.  At least I don't know of any on the grain
> legs we are on.  Seems like you are climbing it too much if you need a
> cable.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:20 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>
> I have seriously thought about putting a cable going up the center of
> the ladders on all the elevator legs we're on.  There is already one on
> the leg that has no cage.  Then we could clip on a go, with either a
> belt or a light harness (unlike my big sit down elk river harness that
> is a little heavy).  Anyone run these cable before?  What is needed?
>
> Brian
>
> Chuck Hogg wrote:
>
>
>I believe a cage is an acceptable OSHA fall restraint.  This was
>reviewed during my recent ComTrain class in Orlando.  The only
> issue
>
>
> is
>
>
>if you get on the platform, you have no fall arrest and thus yo

Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

2009-01-06 Thread Eric Albert

When I was on your side of the business (working for an integrator), I
took the two-day ComTrain course. I usually worked the ground, prepared
loads and worked the winch or tag lines. I was not interested (nor my
wife) in working at height.

But the course taught me valuable lessons; first, I learned what it took
to be safe. It enabled me to watch over the guys about to go up the
structure, check their gear and make sure they had the gear that was
needed to be safe. 

But second and most importantly I learned how to do a rescue. Thankfully
I never needed this skill. Most fire departments as I learned from
ComTrain do not have a clue what it takes to get a man down off of the
steel. Time is precious in those situations. Glad I knew how, glad I
never had to.

So I am curious. For those of you that only need to send one climber to
complete a task, how many of you send two climbers so that there is
always someone certified in rescue on the ground? And if so, are the
equally equipped? 

This is a great topic spurned from a tragic and preventable accident. 




One more note. I hired a crew to do an emergency repair on a Crown tower
we co-located on, in February many years ago. It was REALLY cold. So
they sent a two man crew to replace two Alvarion ODUs. They both climbed
and did not leave a guy on the ground. The first guy was properly
clothed and took his time getting to 325'. The second guy did not like
the cold and decided to climb the second leg and race up to the radios.
I doubt he was 100% or he would not have been able to move that fast. In
the end he exerted himself so much that he sweat on the way up and as
soon as he reached 325', he could not feel his hands or feet. I pulled
him off the tower and told his foreman to never send him on one of my
jobs ever again. At least he left the site under his own power that day.


Eric Albert
Application Engineer
Alvarion Inc.
|

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Chuck Hogg
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:32 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

Climbing a couple legs a day? WOW!  I have a lot more repeaters than
that and we usually only revisit to upgrade or repair.  We're mostly
MikroTik and went and upgraded one of our longest uptime AP's last week.
130+ plus of uptime.  What gear are you using that needs to be revisited
so often?

 

Chuck

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:28 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

 

Well, lately we have backed off.  But for the last 8 months, it seemed
like a couple legs a day (30 sites).  So much for the cheap route I
went

Brian

Chuck Hogg wrote: 

I don't think that you will find an attachment point on a grain leg
safety rated for 5,000lbs.  At least I don't know of any on the grain
legs we are on.  Seems like you are climbing it too much if you need a
cable.
 
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:20 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
 
I have seriously thought about putting a cable going up the center of 
the ladders on all the elevator legs we're on.  There is already one on 
the leg that has no cage.  Then we could clip on a go, with either a 
belt or a light harness (unlike my big sit down elk river harness that 
is a little heavy).  Anyone run these cable before?  What is needed?
 
Brian
 
Chuck Hogg wrote:
  

I believe a cage is an acceptable OSHA fall restraint.  This was
reviewed during my recent ComTrain class in Orlando.  The only
issue


is
  

if you get on the platform, you have no fall arrest and thus you
are
supposed to wear a harness.  
 
 
 
I myself don't do 100% tie off going up a cage, but I do when I
get to
the top.
 
 
 
Chuck
 
 
 
 
 
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]


On
  

Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:05 PM
To: WISPA General List
    Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
 
 
 
What do you guys do on elevator/grain legs that have cages
around


them.
  

Usually it's like a 100ft ladder.
 
Brian
 
Chuck McCown wrote: 
 
I used to free climb towers.  Some of them had so much crap on
them it
was 
the only way to do it (unless you had two belts... perish the


thought).
  

- Original Message - 
From: "3-dB Networks"  <mailto:wi...@3-db.net>

Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

2009-01-06 Thread Bob Moldashel

In the eye of the government the fall arrest cable system "must meet the 
design requirement of the ladder it serves".  S...  You can't really 
just throw up a cable system on a ladder and use it. It needs to be 
"designed" so it will meet all the fall requirements, anchor standards, 
etc, etc.

The real issue you have here is "What If.." someone else uses the system 
"you" installed and they get injured or die. Liability will fall 100% 
back on whoever installed, designed and made the equipment.  Companies 
like DBI/Sala, Klein, Elk River, etc have warnings on their web sites 
and inside every ladder cable system they ship. So the first thing they 
will do is throw you to the wolves (aka lawyers) by saying it was not 
the correct application and the system was not designed for the function 
it was performing and installed for. Now if you get an engineer to sign 
off on it and tell you what will work and how to install it, you will 
greatly differ your liability. If you have grain towers in your back 
yard you may find a structural engineer to design a blanket system for 
you and draw it up and stamp it for very little money. Here in NY they 
get "phone numbers" (big money) for every individual site.

You may be hard pressed to find rated anchorage points on a silo to 
begin with. Not saying it is impossible but most of the ones I have seen 
are aluminum foil thin and welded out of basic angle iron. The standard 
anchorage point requires a 5,000 lb rating in the event of a fall. This 
could be modified by using a fall lanyard that is only 2.5-3 feet upon 
falling which would greatly reduce the fall shock limits. A ladder cable 
system may not require a 5,000 lb anchor system. It may only require a 
1500 lb anchor system. The problem is no one (that I have seen anyhow) 
has stated what is required for a ladder system. A ladder cable system 
does not allow you to fall "up to 6 feet" as some lanyard do. With a 
proper chest D ring harness and rated cable grab the most you should 
fall is 2'.

If you will be climbing the same site multiple times say over a week or 
two you could temporarily install a 5/8" or 3/4" rope grab system with 
the correct rope. This would be an acceptable alternative but cannot be 
left in place for an extended period of time (months/years).

One more thing to point out to everyone. There are 3/8" cable and 5/16" 
cable grabs for ladder cable systems. Make sure you are using the grab 
that is rated for the system that is installed. Use a 3/8" grab on 5/16" 
cable will grab with some models and will slip with others.  Same with 
rope grabs.  They come 1/2", 9/16, 5/8" and 3/4".  Use the wrong rope 
grab on the wrong rope and you will be in for a ride.

Good luck and be careful.

-B-

Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
> I have seriously thought about putting a cable going up the center of 
> the ladders on all the elevator legs we're on.  There is already one on 
> the leg that has no cage.  Then we could clip on a go, with either a 
> belt or a light harness (unlike my big sit down elk river harness that 
> is a little heavy).  Anyone run these cable before?  What is needed?
>
> Brian
>
> Chuck Hogg wrote:
>   
>> I believe a cage is an acceptable OSHA fall restraint.  This was
>> reviewed during my recent ComTrain class in Orlando.  The only issue is
>> if you get on the platform, you have no fall arrest and thus you are
>> supposed to wear a harness.  
>>
>>  
>>
>> I myself don't do 100% tie off going up a cage, but I do when I get to
>> the top.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Chuck
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:05 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>>
>>  
>>
>> What do you guys do on elevator/grain legs that have cages around them.
>> Usually it's like a 100ft ladder.
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> Chuck McCown wrote: 
>>
>> I used to free climb towers.  Some of them had so much crap on them it
>> was 
>> the only way to do it (unless you had two belts... perish the thought).
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "3-dB Networks"  <mailto:wi...@3-db.net> 
>> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
>> <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> 
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:58 AM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>>  
>>  
>>   
>>
>>      And 15 years ago most people climbed towers freestyle... all
>> this safety
>>  gear is still relatively new isn't it
>>

Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

2009-01-06 Thread George Rogato

I won't let anyone that works for me free climb. I ain't gonna have to 
telll someones family "sorry your loved one fell from 50' and died".




Chuck McCown wrote:
> When free climbing, you are very careful.  Perhaps more careful than with 
> multiple lanyards.
> I can remember placing each hand in a slow deliberate manner.  Did not want 
> to be surprised by a sharp metal burr or stinging insect on whatever I was 
> grabbing.
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Cameron Kilton" 
> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 2:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
> 
> 
>> When I climb, I am clipped into three different areas while working
>> away.
>>
>> Freestyle, phew, glad I missed that part of it. I have been climbing for
>> about 4 years I couldn't imagine using some of the stuff people used to
>> use.
>>
>> -Cameron
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Chuck McCown
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 4:30 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>>
>> I used to free climb towers.  Some of them had so much crap on them it
>> was
>> the only way to do it (unless you had two belts... perish the thought).
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "3-dB Networks" 
>> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:58 AM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>>
>>
>>> And 15 years ago most people climbed towers freestyle... all this
>> safety
>>> gear is still relatively new isn't it
>>>
>>> Daniel White
>>> 3-dB Networks
>>> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>> On
>>> Behalf Of Chuck McCown
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:50 AM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>>>
>>> Back in the day, we climbed wooden poles with nothing other than our
>> hooks
>>> and hands.  Once you got up, then you would throw the one single belt
>>> around
>>>
>>> the pole.  Most of the time the drop was between 20 and 30 feet.
>> Enough
>>> to
>>> hurt you pretty bad but probably not kill you.  I "burned" one pole
>> one
>>> time.  Torn shirt, splinters in my arms.  Funny how quick you can hug
>> a
>>> pole
>>>
>>> when you hook hits a knot in the pole.  (The reason it happened was I
>> was
>>> talking to and showing off for a former girlfriend).  In any event, it
>> was
>>> the preferred way of climbing.  Much quicker and easier, and actually,
>> if
>>> the pole was nice and soft, was very safe.
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: "George Rogato" 
>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:12 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>>>
>>>
>>>> When you climb, do you only use one lanyard to tie off with?
>>>> Does this mean every time you unclip your lanyard to move it  that
>> you
>>>> are then not tied off at all?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 3-dB Networks wrote:
>>>>> Well I don't tie off in two places when I'm climbing... but when I
>> am in
>>>>> a
>>>>> position I am going to be working at I tie off in two different
>> places
>>>>> just
>>>>> in case... because you never know what might happen.
>>>>>
>>>>> Daniel White
>>>>> 3-dB Networks
>>>>> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>>>>>
>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>> On
>>>>> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 8:52 AM
>>>>> To: dmburg...@linktechs.net; WISPA General List
>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>>>>>
>>>>> When climbing how many think "let's tie off in two places because
>> this
>>>>> first piece of angle iron is going to fall off"?
>>>>>
>>>>> On 1/6/09, Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net 
>>>>> wrote:
>

Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

2009-01-06 Thread Josh Luthman

What cards are you using?  Compex and ubnt has been good to me.

On 1/6/09, Brian Rohrbacher  wrote:
> MT, but it's all fixed now.  Within the last your I have all new APs and
> PtP 5.8 backhauls.  It had been a mixture of crap for the 3 yrs
> previous.  We also had a crazy problem with the cheap wiligear cards I
> tried to use for the backhauls.  They made the radios reboot at crazy
> times.  Some would reboot continuously for hours, and others once a
> month, and every combo in between.  For a while about a couple months I
> was swapping 433's and the problem seemed to go away, but then it came
> back.  I finally stumbled on the fact that every time the card
> associated, it would cause a reboot.  Swapped out for cm9, sr5, and xr5
> and have not had a problem since.
>
> Brian
>
> Chuck Hogg wrote:
>> Climbing a couple legs a day? WOW!  I have a lot more repeaters than
>> that and we usually only revisit to upgrade or repair.  We're mostly
>> MikroTik and went and upgraded one of our longest uptime AP's last week.
>> 130+ plus of uptime.  What gear are you using that needs to be revisited
>> so often?
>>
>>
>>
>> Chuck
>>
>>
>>
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:28 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>>
>>
>>
>> Well, lately we have backed off.  But for the last 8 months, it seemed
>> like a couple legs a day (30 sites).  So much for the cheap route I
>> went
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> Chuck Hogg wrote:
>>
>> I don't think that you will find an attachment point on a grain leg
>> safety rated for 5,000lbs.  At least I don't know of any on the grain
>> legs we are on.  Seems like you are climbing it too much if you need a
>> cable.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:20 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>>
>> I have seriously thought about putting a cable going up the center of
>> the ladders on all the elevator legs we're on.  There is already one on
>> the leg that has no cage.  Then we could clip on a go, with either a
>> belt or a light harness (unlike my big sit down elk river harness that
>> is a little heavy).  Anyone run these cable before?  What is needed?
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> Chuck Hogg wrote:
>>
>>
>>  I believe a cage is an acceptable OSHA fall restraint.  This was
>>  reviewed during my recent ComTrain class in Orlando.  The only
>> issue
>>  
>>
>> is
>>
>>
>>  if you get on the platform, you have no fall arrest and thus you
>> are
>>  supposed to wear a harness.
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  I myself don't do 100% tie off going up a cage, but I do when I
>> get to
>>  the top.
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  Chuck
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
>> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>>  
>>
>> On
>>
>>
>>  Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
>>  Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:05 PM
>>  To: WISPA General List
>>  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  What do you guys do on elevator/grain legs that have cages
>> around
>>  
>>
>> them.
>>
>>
>>  Usually it's like a 100ft ladder.
>>  
>>  Brian
>>  
>>  Chuck McCown wrote:
>>  
>>  I used to free climb towers.  Some of them had so much crap on
>> them it
>>  was
>>  the only way to do it (unless you had two belts... perish the
>>  
>>
>> thought).
>>
>>
>>  - Original Message -
>>  From: "3-dB Networks"  <mailto:wi...@3-db.net>
>> <mailto:wi...@3-db.net> <mailto:wi...@3-db.net>
>>  To: "'WISPA General List'" 
>> <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>
>>  <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>
>>  Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:58 AM
>>  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>And 15 years ago

Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

2009-01-06 Thread Brian Rohrbacher

MT, but it's all fixed now.  Within the last your I have all new APs and 
PtP 5.8 backhauls.  It had been a mixture of crap for the 3 yrs 
previous.  We also had a crazy problem with the cheap wiligear cards I 
tried to use for the backhauls.  They made the radios reboot at crazy 
times.  Some would reboot continuously for hours, and others once a 
month, and every combo in between.  For a while about a couple months I 
was swapping 433's and the problem seemed to go away, but then it came 
back.  I finally stumbled on the fact that every time the card 
associated, it would cause a reboot.  Swapped out for cm9, sr5, and xr5 
and have not had a problem since.

Brian

Chuck Hogg wrote:
> Climbing a couple legs a day? WOW!  I have a lot more repeaters than
> that and we usually only revisit to upgrade or repair.  We're mostly
> MikroTik and went and upgraded one of our longest uptime AP's last week.
> 130+ plus of uptime.  What gear are you using that needs to be revisited
> so often?
>
>  
>
> Chuck
>
>  
>
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:28 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>
>  
>
> Well, lately we have backed off.  But for the last 8 months, it seemed
> like a couple legs a day (30 sites).  So much for the cheap route I
> went
>
> Brian
>
> Chuck Hogg wrote: 
>
> I don't think that you will find an attachment point on a grain leg
> safety rated for 5,000lbs.  At least I don't know of any on the grain
> legs we are on.  Seems like you are climbing it too much if you need a
> cable.
>  
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:20 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>  
> I have seriously thought about putting a cable going up the center of 
> the ladders on all the elevator legs we're on.  There is already one on 
> the leg that has no cage.  Then we could clip on a go, with either a 
> belt or a light harness (unlike my big sit down elk river harness that 
> is a little heavy).  Anyone run these cable before?  What is needed?
>  
> Brian
>  
> Chuck Hogg wrote:
>   
>
>   I believe a cage is an acceptable OSHA fall restraint.  This was
>   reviewed during my recent ComTrain class in Orlando.  The only
> issue
>   
>
> is
>   
>
>   if you get on the platform, you have no fall arrest and thus you
> are
>   supposed to wear a harness.  
>
>
>
>   I myself don't do 100% tie off going up a cage, but I do when I
> get to
>   the top.
>
>
>
>   Chuck
>
>
>    
>    
>    
>   From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>   
>
> On
>   
>
>   Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
>   Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:05 PM
>   To: WISPA General List
>   Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>
>
>
>   What do you guys do on elevator/grain legs that have cages
> around
>   
>
> them.
>   
>
>   Usually it's like a 100ft ladder.
>
>   Brian
>
>   Chuck McCown wrote: 
>
>   I used to free climb towers.  Some of them had so much crap on
> them it
>   was 
>   the only way to do it (unless you had two belts... perish the
>   
>
> thought).
>   
>
>   - Original Message - 
>   From: "3-dB Networks"  <mailto:wi...@3-db.net>
> <mailto:wi...@3-db.net> <mailto:wi...@3-db.net>  
>   To: "'WISPA General List'" 
> <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> 
>   <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>  
>   Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:58 AM
>   Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>
>
> 
>
> And 15 years ago most people climbed towers freestyle... all
>   this safety
> gear is still relatively new isn't it
>  
> Daniel White
> 3-dB Networks
> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>  
>  
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
>   [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Chuck McCown
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:50 AM
> To: WISPA General List
>

Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

2009-01-06 Thread Chuck Hogg

Climbing a couple legs a day? WOW!  I have a lot more repeaters than
that and we usually only revisit to upgrade or repair.  We're mostly
MikroTik and went and upgraded one of our longest uptime AP's last week.
130+ plus of uptime.  What gear are you using that needs to be revisited
so often?

 

Chuck

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:28 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

 

Well, lately we have backed off.  But for the last 8 months, it seemed
like a couple legs a day (30 sites).  So much for the cheap route I
went

Brian

Chuck Hogg wrote: 

I don't think that you will find an attachment point on a grain leg
safety rated for 5,000lbs.  At least I don't know of any on the grain
legs we are on.  Seems like you are climbing it too much if you need a
cable.
 
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:20 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
 
I have seriously thought about putting a cable going up the center of 
the ladders on all the elevator legs we're on.  There is already one on 
the leg that has no cage.  Then we could clip on a go, with either a 
belt or a light harness (unlike my big sit down elk river harness that 
is a little heavy).  Anyone run these cable before?  What is needed?
 
Brian
 
Chuck Hogg wrote:
  

I believe a cage is an acceptable OSHA fall restraint.  This was
reviewed during my recent ComTrain class in Orlando.  The only
issue


is
  

if you get on the platform, you have no fall arrest and thus you
are
supposed to wear a harness.  
 
 
 
I myself don't do 100% tie off going up a cage, but I do when I
get to
the top.
 
 
 
Chuck
 
 
 
 
 
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]


On
  

Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:05 PM
To: WISPA General List
    Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
 
 
 
What do you guys do on elevator/grain legs that have cages
around


them.
  

Usually it's like a 100ft ladder.
 
Brian
 
Chuck McCown wrote: 
 
I used to free climb towers.  Some of them had so much crap on
them it
was 
the only way to do it (unless you had two belts... perish the


thought).
  

- Original Message - 
From: "3-dB Networks"  <mailto:wi...@3-db.net>
<mailto:wi...@3-db.net> <mailto:wi...@3-db.net>  
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
<mailto:wireless@wispa.org> 
<mailto:wireless@wispa.org> <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>  
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
 
 
  
 
  And 15 years ago most people climbed towers freestyle... all
this safety
  gear is still relatively new isn't it
   
  Daniel White
  3-dB Networks
  http://www.3dbnetworks.com
   
   
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
  Behalf Of Chuck McCown
      Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:50 AM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
   
  Back in the day, we climbed wooden poles with nothing other
than
our hooks
  and hands.  Once you got up, then you would throw the one
single
belt 
  around
   
  the pole.  Most of the time the drop was between 20 and 30
feet.
Enough 
  to
  hurt you pretty bad but probably not kill you.  I "burned" one
pole one
  time.  Torn shirt, splinters in my arms.  Funny how quick you
can hug a 
  pole
   
  when you hook hits a knot in the pole.  (The reason it
happened
was I was
  talking to and showing off for a former girlfriend).  In any
event, it was
  the preferred way of climbing.  Much quicker and easier, and
actually, if
  the pole was nice and soft, was very safe.
  - Original Message - 
  From: "George Rogato" 
<mailto:wi...@oregonfast.net> 
<mailto:wi...@oregonfast.net> <mailto:wi...@oregonfast.net>  
  To: "WISPA General List" 
<mailto:wireless@wispa.org>

Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

2009-01-06 Thread Bob Moldashel

That's correct.  Not required if there is a cage around the ladder. I 
would still use one though





3-dB Networks wrote:
> I'll confirm that... the cage is supposed to prevent you from actually
> falling... so it is consider fall restraint and no other protection is
> technically needed (although I have used a harness and lanyards on them
> before because I didn't trust the cage and I had to have it on at the top).
>
> Depending on if there is railing at the top you might not need a harness
> there either... but it wouldn't hurt.
>
> Daniel White
> 3-dB Networks
> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Chuck Hogg
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 7:14 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>
> I believe a cage is an acceptable OSHA fall restraint.  This was
> reviewed during my recent ComTrain class in Orlando.  The only issue is
> if you get on the platform, you have no fall arrest and thus you are
> supposed to wear a harness.  
>
>  
>
> I myself don't do 100% tie off going up a cage, but I do when I get to
> the top.
>
>  
>
> Chuck
>
>  
>
>  
>
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:05 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>
>  
>
> What do you guys do on elevator/grain legs that have cages around them.
> Usually it's like a 100ft ladder.
>
> Brian
>
> Chuck McCown wrote: 
>
> I used to free climb towers.  Some of them had so much crap on them it
> was 
> the only way to do it (unless you had two belts... perish the thought).
> - Original Message - 
> From: "3-dB Networks"  <mailto:wi...@3-db.net> 
> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
> <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:58 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>  
>  
>   
>
>   And 15 years ago most people climbed towers freestyle... all
> this safety
>   gear is still relatively new isn't it
>
>   Daniel White
>   3-dB Networks
>   http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>
>
>   -Original Message-
>   From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>   Behalf Of Chuck McCown
>   Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:50 AM
>   To: WISPA General List
>   Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>
>   Back in the day, we climbed wooden poles with nothing other than
> our hooks
>   and hands.  Once you got up, then you would throw the one single
> belt 
>   around
>
>   the pole.  Most of the time the drop was between 20 and 30 feet.
> Enough 
>   to
>   hurt you pretty bad but probably not kill you.  I "burned" one
> pole one
>   time.  Torn shirt, splinters in my arms.  Funny how quick you
> can hug a 
>   pole
>
>   when you hook hits a knot in the pole.  (The reason it happened
> was I was
>   talking to and showing off for a former girlfriend).  In any
> event, it was
>   the preferred way of climbing.  Much quicker and easier, and
> actually, if
>   the pole was nice and soft, was very safe.
>   - Original Message - 
>   From: "George Rogato" 
> <mailto:wi...@oregonfast.net> 
>   To: "WISPA General List" 
> <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> 
>   Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:12 AM
>   Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>
>
>   
>
>   When you climb, do you only use one lanyard to tie off
> with?
>   Does this mean every time you unclip your lanyard to
> move it  that you
>   are then not tied off at all?
>
>
>   3-dB Networks wrote:
> 
>
>   Well I don't tie off in two places when I'm
> climbing... but when I am in
>   a
>   position I am going to be working at I tie off
> in two different places
>   just
>   in case... because you never know what might
> happen.
>    
>   Daniel White
>   3-dB Networks
>   http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>
>   -Origina

Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

2009-01-06 Thread 3-dB Networks

I'd still make sure you wear a good pair of gloves, good pair of boots, and
technically you should probably have a hard hat and safety glasses on too.

But technically it sounds like your okay in OSHA's eyes... although my
experience has shown OSHA inspectors are a PITA

Daniel White
3-dB Networks
http://www.3dbnetworks.com


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 7:25 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

There is a railing on all the ones that I am on.  But it is good to know 
we are doing as osha would.  That means we are safe.  I have been pretty 
worried about it for the last year since I hired help.  I guess this 
will put me at ease.

Brian

3-dB Networks wrote:
> I'll confirm that... the cage is supposed to prevent you from actually
> falling... so it is consider fall restraint and no other protection is
> technically needed (although I have used a harness and lanyards on them
> before because I didn't trust the cage and I had to have it on at the
top).
>
> Depending on if there is railing at the top you might not need a harness
> there either... but it wouldn't hurt.
>
> Daniel White
> 3-dB Networks
> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Chuck Hogg
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 7:14 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>
> I believe a cage is an acceptable OSHA fall restraint.  This was
> reviewed during my recent ComTrain class in Orlando.  The only issue is
> if you get on the platform, you have no fall arrest and thus you are
> supposed to wear a harness.  
>
>  
>
> I myself don't do 100% tie off going up a cage, but I do when I get to
> the top.
>
>  
>
> Chuck
>
>  
>
>  
>
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:05 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>
>  
>
> What do you guys do on elevator/grain legs that have cages around them.
> Usually it's like a 100ft ladder.
>
> Brian
>
> Chuck McCown wrote: 
>
> I used to free climb towers.  Some of them had so much crap on them it
> was 
> the only way to do it (unless you had two belts... perish the thought).
> - Original Message - 
> From: "3-dB Networks"  <mailto:wi...@3-db.net> 
> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
> <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:58 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>  
>  
>   
>
>   And 15 years ago most people climbed towers freestyle... all
> this safety
>   gear is still relatively new isn't it
>
>   Daniel White
>   3-dB Networks
>   http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>
>
>   -Original Message-
>   From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>   Behalf Of Chuck McCown
>   Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:50 AM
>   To: WISPA General List
>   Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>
>   Back in the day, we climbed wooden poles with nothing other than
> our hooks
>   and hands.  Once you got up, then you would throw the one single
> belt 
>   around
>
>   the pole.  Most of the time the drop was between 20 and 30 feet.
> Enough 
>   to
>   hurt you pretty bad but probably not kill you.  I "burned" one
> pole one
>   time.  Torn shirt, splinters in my arms.  Funny how quick you
> can hug a 
>   pole
>
>   when you hook hits a knot in the pole.  (The reason it happened
> was I was
>   talking to and showing off for a former girlfriend).  In any
> event, it was
>   the preferred way of climbing.  Much quicker and easier, and
> actually, if
>   the pole was nice and soft, was very safe.
>   - Original Message - 
>   From: "George Rogato" 
> <mailto:wi...@oregonfast.net> 
>   To: "WISPA General List" 
> <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> 
>   Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:12 AM
>   Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>
>
>   
>
>   When you climb, do you only use one lanyard to tie off
> with?
>   Does this mean every time you unclip your lanyard to
> move it  that you
>   are then not tied off at all?
>
>

Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

2009-01-06 Thread Brian Rohrbacher





Well, lately we have backed off.  But for the last 8 months, it seemed
like a couple legs a day (30 sites).  So much for the cheap route I
went

Brian

Chuck Hogg wrote:

  I don't think that you will find an attachment point on a grain leg
safety rated for 5,000lbs.  At least I don't know of any on the grain
legs we are on.  Seems like you are climbing it too much if you need a
cable.

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:20 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

I have seriously thought about putting a cable going up the center of 
the ladders on all the elevator legs we're on.  There is already one on 
the leg that has no cage.  Then we could clip on a go, with either a 
belt or a light harness (unlike my big sit down elk river harness that 
is a little heavy).  Anyone run these cable before?  What is needed?

Brian

Chuck Hogg wrote:
  
  
I believe a cage is an acceptable OSHA fall restraint.  This was
reviewed during my recent ComTrain class in Orlando.  The only issue

  
  is
  
  
if you get on the platform, you have no fall arrest and thus you are
supposed to wear a harness.  

 

I myself don't do 100% tie off going up a cage, but I do when I get to
the top.

 

Chuck

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]

  
  On
  
  
Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:05 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

 

What do you guys do on elevator/grain legs that have cages around

  
  them.
  
  
Usually it's like a 100ft ladder.

Brian

Chuck McCown wrote: 

I used to free climb towers.  Some of them had so much crap on them it
was 
the only way to do it (unless you had two belts... perish the

  
  thought).
  
  
- Original Message - 
From: "3-dB Networks"   
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
 
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
 
 
  

	And 15 years ago most people climbed towers freestyle... all
this safety
	gear is still relatively new isn't it
	 
	Daniel White
	3-dB Networks
	http://www.3dbnetworks.com
	 
	 
	-Original Message-
	From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
	Behalf Of Chuck McCown
	Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:50 AM
	To: WISPA General List
	Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
	 
	Back in the day, we climbed wooden poles with nothing other than
our hooks
	and hands.  Once you got up, then you would throw the one single
belt 
	around
	 
	the pole.  Most of the time the drop was between 20 and 30 feet.
Enough 
	to
	hurt you pretty bad but probably not kill you.  I "burned" one
pole one
	time.  Torn shirt, splinters in my arms.  Funny how quick you
can hug a 
	pole
	 
	when you hook hits a knot in the pole.  (The reason it happened
was I was
	talking to and showing off for a former girlfriend).  In any
event, it was
	the preferred way of climbing.  Much quicker and easier, and
actually, if
	the pole was nice and soft, was very safe.
	- Original Message - 
	From: "George Rogato" 
 
	To: "WISPA General List" 
 
	Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:12 AM
	Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
	 
	 
	

		When you climb, do you only use one lanyard to tie off
with?
		Does this mean every time you unclip your lanyard to
move it  that you
		are then not tied off at all?
		 
		 
		3-dB Networks wrote:
		  

			Well I don't tie off in two places when I'm
climbing... but when I am in
			a
			position I am going to be working at I tie off
in two different places
			just
			in case... because you never know what might
happen.
			 
			Daniel White
			3-dB Networks
			http://www.3dbnetworks.com
			 
			-Original Message-
			From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
			Behalf Of Josh Luthman
			Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 8:52 AM
			To: dmburg...@linktechs.net; WISPA General List
			Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
			 
			When climbing how many think "let's tie off in
two places because this
			first piece of angle iron is going to fall off"?
			 
			On 1/6/09, Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net
  
			wrote:
			

Not to say thats not right.  The whole
point of the Darwin awards was
that the people who died have died in
the most stupidest way, that they
did the entire human population a favor
by eliminating themselves from
the gene pool.  There is a movie even on
it.Like the guy who
strapped a Jato Rocket to his Chevy, the
guy who was so cheap, he got
his hand stuck in the soda machine and
while trying to free it, it feel
over on him.  ETC.  Its on netflix
instant streaming.
 
--
* Dennis Burgess

Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

2009-01-06 Thread Brian Rohrbacher

There is a railing on all the ones that I am on.  But it is good to know 
we are doing as osha would.  That means we are safe.  I have been pretty 
worried about it for the last year since I hired help.  I guess this 
will put me at ease.

Brian

3-dB Networks wrote:
> I'll confirm that... the cage is supposed to prevent you from actually
> falling... so it is consider fall restraint and no other protection is
> technically needed (although I have used a harness and lanyards on them
> before because I didn't trust the cage and I had to have it on at the top).
>
> Depending on if there is railing at the top you might not need a harness
> there either... but it wouldn't hurt.
>
> Daniel White
> 3-dB Networks
> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Chuck Hogg
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 7:14 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>
> I believe a cage is an acceptable OSHA fall restraint.  This was
> reviewed during my recent ComTrain class in Orlando.  The only issue is
> if you get on the platform, you have no fall arrest and thus you are
> supposed to wear a harness.  
>
>  
>
> I myself don't do 100% tie off going up a cage, but I do when I get to
> the top.
>
>  
>
> Chuck
>
>  
>
>  
>
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:05 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>
>  
>
> What do you guys do on elevator/grain legs that have cages around them.
> Usually it's like a 100ft ladder.
>
> Brian
>
> Chuck McCown wrote: 
>
> I used to free climb towers.  Some of them had so much crap on them it
> was 
> the only way to do it (unless you had two belts... perish the thought).
> - Original Message ----- 
> From: "3-dB Networks"  <mailto:wi...@3-db.net> 
> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
> <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:58 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>  
>  
>   
>
>   And 15 years ago most people climbed towers freestyle... all
> this safety
>   gear is still relatively new isn't it
>
>   Daniel White
>   3-dB Networks
>   http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>
>
>   -Original Message-
>   From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>   Behalf Of Chuck McCown
>   Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:50 AM
>   To: WISPA General List
>   Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>
>   Back in the day, we climbed wooden poles with nothing other than
> our hooks
>   and hands.  Once you got up, then you would throw the one single
> belt 
>   around
>
>   the pole.  Most of the time the drop was between 20 and 30 feet.
> Enough 
>   to
>   hurt you pretty bad but probably not kill you.  I "burned" one
> pole one
>   time.  Torn shirt, splinters in my arms.  Funny how quick you
> can hug a 
>   pole
>
>   when you hook hits a knot in the pole.  (The reason it happened
> was I was
>   talking to and showing off for a former girlfriend).  In any
> event, it was
>   the preferred way of climbing.  Much quicker and easier, and
> actually, if
>   the pole was nice and soft, was very safe.
>   - Original Message - 
>   From: "George Rogato" 
> <mailto:wi...@oregonfast.net> 
>   To: "WISPA General List" 
> <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> 
>   Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:12 AM
>   Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>
>
>   
>
>   When you climb, do you only use one lanyard to tie off
> with?
>   Does this mean every time you unclip your lanyard to
> move it  that you
>   are then not tied off at all?
>
>
>   3-dB Networks wrote:
> 
>
>   Well I don't tie off in two places when I'm
> climbing... but when I am in
>   a
>   position I am going to be working at I tie off
> in two different places
>   just
>   in case... because you never know what might
> happen.
>    
>   Daniel White
>   3-dB Networks
>

Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

2009-01-06 Thread Blair Davis





We free climb inside the cage, but tie in on the working platforms.

Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

  
What do you guys do on elevator/grain legs that have cages around
them.  Usually it's like a 100ft ladder.
  
Brian
  
Chuck McCown wrote:
  
I used to free climb towers.  Some of them had so much crap on them it was 
the only way to do it (unless you had two belts... perish the thought).
- Original Message - 
From: "3-dB Networks" 
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident


  

  And 15 years ago most people climbed towers freestyle... all this safety
gear is still relatively new isn't it

Daniel White
3-dB Networks
http://www.3dbnetworks.com


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:50 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

Back in the day, we climbed wooden poles with nothing other than our hooks
and hands.  Once you got up, then you would throw the one single belt 
around

the pole.  Most of the time the drop was between 20 and 30 feet.  Enough 
to
hurt you pretty bad but probably not kill you.  I "burned" one pole one
time.  Torn shirt, splinters in my arms.  Funny how quick you can hug a 
pole

when you hook hits a knot in the pole.  (The reason it happened was I was
talking to and showing off for a former girlfriend).  In any event, it was
the preferred way of climbing.  Much quicker and easier, and actually, if
the pole was nice and soft, was very safe.
- Original Message - 
From: "George Rogato" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:12 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident



  
When you climb, do you only use one lanyard to tie off with?
Does this mean every time you unclip your lanyard to move it  that you
are then not tied off at all?


3-dB Networks wrote:
  

  Well I don't tie off in two places when I'm climbing... but when I am in
a
position I am going to be working at I tie off in two different places
just
in case... because you never know what might happen.

Daniel White
3-dB Networks
http://www.3dbnetworks.com

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 8:52 AM
To: dmburg...@linktechs.net; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

When climbing how many think "let's tie off in two places because this
first piece of angle iron is going to fall off"?

On 1/6/09, Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net 
wrote:

  
Not to say thats not right.  The whole point of the Darwin awards was
that the people who died have died in the most stupidest way, that they
did the entire human population a favor by eliminating themselves from
the gene pool.  There is a movie even on it.Like the guy who
strapped a Jato Rocket to his Chevy, the guy who was so cheap, he got
his hand stuck in the soda machine and while trying to free it, it feel
over on him.  ETC.  Its on netflix instant streaming.

--
* Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
WISPA Board Member - wispa.org 
Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services*
*Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net


*/ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training
/*



George Rogato wrote:
  

  Very sad indeed.
I don't think they should be giving awards away for incidents when
people die at work. Even if the person made a mistake like that.
It was not funny to me at all.

But some have a weird sense of humor.
Me, I see no humor in a death or falling off a tower


Blair Davis wrote:


  
Tower accident...

http://www.darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin2008-20.html



  
  

  

  
  

  

  

  


  
  

  

  
  

  

  

  

  
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Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

2009-01-06 Thread Chuck Hogg

I don't think that you will find an attachment point on a grain leg
safety rated for 5,000lbs.  At least I don't know of any on the grain
legs we are on.  Seems like you are climbing it too much if you need a
cable.

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:20 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

I have seriously thought about putting a cable going up the center of 
the ladders on all the elevator legs we're on.  There is already one on 
the leg that has no cage.  Then we could clip on a go, with either a 
belt or a light harness (unlike my big sit down elk river harness that 
is a little heavy).  Anyone run these cable before?  What is needed?

Brian

Chuck Hogg wrote:
> I believe a cage is an acceptable OSHA fall restraint.  This was
> reviewed during my recent ComTrain class in Orlando.  The only issue
is
> if you get on the platform, you have no fall arrest and thus you are
> supposed to wear a harness.  
>
>  
>
> I myself don't do 100% tie off going up a cage, but I do when I get to
> the top.
>
>  
>
> Chuck
>
>  
>
>  
>
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
> Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:05 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>
>  
>
> What do you guys do on elevator/grain legs that have cages around
them.
> Usually it's like a 100ft ladder.
>
> Brian
>
> Chuck McCown wrote: 
>
> I used to free climb towers.  Some of them had so much crap on them it
> was 
> the only way to do it (unless you had two belts... perish the
thought).
> - Original Message - 
> From: "3-dB Networks"  <mailto:wi...@3-db.net> 
> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
> <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:58 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>  
>  
>   
>
>   And 15 years ago most people climbed towers freestyle... all
> this safety
>   gear is still relatively new isn't it
>
>   Daniel White
>   3-dB Networks
>   http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>
>
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>   Behalf Of Chuck McCown
>   Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:50 AM
>   To: WISPA General List
>   Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>
>   Back in the day, we climbed wooden poles with nothing other than
> our hooks
>   and hands.  Once you got up, then you would throw the one single
> belt 
>   around
>
>   the pole.  Most of the time the drop was between 20 and 30 feet.
> Enough 
>   to
>   hurt you pretty bad but probably not kill you.  I "burned" one
> pole one
>   time.  Torn shirt, splinters in my arms.  Funny how quick you
> can hug a 
>   pole
>
>   when you hook hits a knot in the pole.  (The reason it happened
> was I was
>   talking to and showing off for a former girlfriend).  In any
> event, it was
>   the preferred way of climbing.  Much quicker and easier, and
> actually, if
>   the pole was nice and soft, was very safe.
>   - Original Message - 
>   From: "George Rogato" 
> <mailto:wi...@oregonfast.net> 
>   To: "WISPA General List" 
> <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> 
>   Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:12 AM
>   Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>
>
>   
>
>   When you climb, do you only use one lanyard to tie off
> with?
>   Does this mean every time you unclip your lanyard to
> move it  that you
>   are then not tied off at all?
>
>
>   3-dB Networks wrote:
> 
>
>   Well I don't tie off in two places when I'm
> climbing... but when I am in
>   a
>   position I am going to be working at I tie off
> in two different places
>   just
>   in case... because you never know what might
> happen.
>
>   Daniel White
>       3-dB Networks
>   http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>
>   -Original Message-
>   From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
&

Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

2009-01-06 Thread Brian Rohrbacher

I have seriously thought about putting a cable going up the center of 
the ladders on all the elevator legs we're on.  There is already one on 
the leg that has no cage.  Then we could clip on a go, with either a 
belt or a light harness (unlike my big sit down elk river harness that 
is a little heavy).  Anyone run these cable before?  What is needed?

Brian

Chuck Hogg wrote:
> I believe a cage is an acceptable OSHA fall restraint.  This was
> reviewed during my recent ComTrain class in Orlando.  The only issue is
> if you get on the platform, you have no fall arrest and thus you are
> supposed to wear a harness.  
>
>  
>
> I myself don't do 100% tie off going up a cage, but I do when I get to
> the top.
>
>  
>
> Chuck
>
>  
>
>  
>
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:05 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>
>  
>
> What do you guys do on elevator/grain legs that have cages around them.
> Usually it's like a 100ft ladder.
>
> Brian
>
> Chuck McCown wrote: 
>
> I used to free climb towers.  Some of them had so much crap on them it
> was 
> the only way to do it (unless you had two belts... perish the thought).
> - Original Message - 
> From: "3-dB Networks"  <mailto:wi...@3-db.net> 
> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
> <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:58 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>  
>  
>   
>
>   And 15 years ago most people climbed towers freestyle... all
> this safety
>   gear is still relatively new isn't it
>
>   Daniel White
>   3-dB Networks
>   http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>
>
>   -Original Message-----
>   From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>   Behalf Of Chuck McCown
>   Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:50 AM
>   To: WISPA General List
>   Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>
>   Back in the day, we climbed wooden poles with nothing other than
> our hooks
>   and hands.  Once you got up, then you would throw the one single
> belt 
>   around
>
>   the pole.  Most of the time the drop was between 20 and 30 feet.
> Enough 
>   to
>   hurt you pretty bad but probably not kill you.  I "burned" one
> pole one
>   time.  Torn shirt, splinters in my arms.  Funny how quick you
> can hug a 
>   pole
>
>   when you hook hits a knot in the pole.  (The reason it happened
> was I was
>   talking to and showing off for a former girlfriend).  In any
> event, it was
>   the preferred way of climbing.  Much quicker and easier, and
> actually, if
>   the pole was nice and soft, was very safe.
>   - Original Message - 
>   From: "George Rogato" 
> <mailto:wi...@oregonfast.net> 
>   To: "WISPA General List" 
> <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> 
>   Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:12 AM
>   Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>
>
>   
>
>   When you climb, do you only use one lanyard to tie off
> with?
>   Does this mean every time you unclip your lanyard to
> move it  that you
>   are then not tied off at all?
>
>
>   3-dB Networks wrote:
> 
>
>   Well I don't tie off in two places when I'm
> climbing... but when I am in
>   a
>   position I am going to be working at I tie off
> in two different places
>   just
>   in case... because you never know what might
> happen.
>
>   Daniel White
>   3-dB Networks
>   http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>
>   -Original Message-
>   From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>   Behalf Of Josh Luthman
>   Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 8:52 AM
>   To: dmburg...@linktechs.net; WISPA General List
>   Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>
>   When climbing how many think "let's tie off in
> two places because this
>   first piece of angle iron is

Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

2009-01-06 Thread 3-dB Networks

I'll confirm that... the cage is supposed to prevent you from actually
falling... so it is consider fall restraint and no other protection is
technically needed (although I have used a harness and lanyards on them
before because I didn't trust the cage and I had to have it on at the top).

Depending on if there is railing at the top you might not need a harness
there either... but it wouldn't hurt.

Daniel White
3-dB Networks
http://www.3dbnetworks.com


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Chuck Hogg
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 7:14 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

I believe a cage is an acceptable OSHA fall restraint.  This was
reviewed during my recent ComTrain class in Orlando.  The only issue is
if you get on the platform, you have no fall arrest and thus you are
supposed to wear a harness.  

 

I myself don't do 100% tie off going up a cage, but I do when I get to
the top.

 

Chuck

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:05 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

 

What do you guys do on elevator/grain legs that have cages around them.
Usually it's like a 100ft ladder.

Brian

Chuck McCown wrote: 

I used to free climb towers.  Some of them had so much crap on them it
was 
the only way to do it (unless you had two belts... perish the thought).
- Original Message - 
From: "3-dB Networks"  <mailto:wi...@3-db.net> 
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
<mailto:wireless@wispa.org> 
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
 
 
  

And 15 years ago most people climbed towers freestyle... all
this safety
gear is still relatively new isn't it
 
Daniel White
3-dB Networks
http://www.3dbnetworks.com
 
 
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:50 AM
    To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
 
Back in the day, we climbed wooden poles with nothing other than
our hooks
and hands.  Once you got up, then you would throw the one single
belt 
around
 
the pole.  Most of the time the drop was between 20 and 30 feet.
Enough 
to
hurt you pretty bad but probably not kill you.  I "burned" one
pole one
time.  Torn shirt, splinters in my arms.  Funny how quick you
can hug a 
pole
 
when you hook hits a knot in the pole.  (The reason it happened
was I was
talking to and showing off for a former girlfriend).  In any
event, it was
the preferred way of climbing.  Much quicker and easier, and
actually, if
the pole was nice and soft, was very safe.
- Original Message - 
From: "George Rogato" 
<mailto:wi...@oregonfast.net> 
To: "WISPA General List" 
<mailto:wireless@wispa.org> 
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:12 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
 
 


When you climb, do you only use one lanyard to tie off
with?
Does this mean every time you unclip your lanyard to
move it  that you
are then not tied off at all?
 
 
3-dB Networks wrote:
  

Well I don't tie off in two places when I'm
climbing... but when I am in
a
position I am going to be working at I tie off
in two different places
just
in case... because you never know what might
happen.
 
Daniel White
3-dB Networks
http://www.3dbnetworks.com
 
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 8:52 AM
    To: dmburg...@linktechs.net; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
 
When climbing how many think "let's tie off in
two places because this
first piece of angle iron is going to fall off"?
 
On 1/6/09, Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net
 <mailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net>

Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

2009-01-06 Thread Chuck Hogg

I believe a cage is an acceptable OSHA fall restraint.  This was
reviewed during my recent ComTrain class in Orlando.  The only issue is
if you get on the platform, you have no fall arrest and thus you are
supposed to wear a harness.  

 

I myself don't do 100% tie off going up a cage, but I do when I get to
the top.

 

Chuck

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:05 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

 

What do you guys do on elevator/grain legs that have cages around them.
Usually it's like a 100ft ladder.

Brian

Chuck McCown wrote: 

I used to free climb towers.  Some of them had so much crap on them it
was 
the only way to do it (unless you had two belts... perish the thought).
- Original Message - 
From: "3-dB Networks"  <mailto:wi...@3-db.net> 
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
<mailto:wireless@wispa.org> 
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
 
 
  

And 15 years ago most people climbed towers freestyle... all
this safety
gear is still relatively new isn't it
 
Daniel White
3-dB Networks
http://www.3dbnetworks.com
 
 
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:50 AM
    To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
 
Back in the day, we climbed wooden poles with nothing other than
our hooks
and hands.  Once you got up, then you would throw the one single
belt 
around
 
the pole.  Most of the time the drop was between 20 and 30 feet.
Enough 
to
hurt you pretty bad but probably not kill you.  I "burned" one
pole one
time.  Torn shirt, splinters in my arms.  Funny how quick you
can hug a 
pole
 
when you hook hits a knot in the pole.  (The reason it happened
was I was
talking to and showing off for a former girlfriend).  In any
event, it was
the preferred way of climbing.  Much quicker and easier, and
actually, if
the pole was nice and soft, was very safe.
- Original Message - 
From: "George Rogato" 
<mailto:wi...@oregonfast.net> 
To: "WISPA General List" 
<mailto:wireless@wispa.org> 
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:12 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
 
 


When you climb, do you only use one lanyard to tie off
with?
Does this mean every time you unclip your lanyard to
move it  that you
are then not tied off at all?
 
 
3-dB Networks wrote:
  

Well I don't tie off in two places when I'm
climbing... but when I am in
a
position I am going to be working at I tie off
in two different places
just
in case... because you never know what might
happen.
 
Daniel White
3-dB Networks
http://www.3dbnetworks.com
 
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 8:52 AM
        To: dmburg...@linktechs.net; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
 
When climbing how many think "let's tie off in
two places because this
first piece of angle iron is going to fall off"?
 
On 1/6/09, Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net
 <mailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net> 
wrote:


Not to say thats not right.  The whole
point of the Darwin awards was
that the people who died have died in
the most stupidest way, that they
did the entire human population a favor
by eliminating themselves from
the gene pool.  There is a movie even on
it.Like the guy who
strapped a Jato Rocket to his Chevy, the
guy who was so cheap, he got
his hand stuck in the soda

Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

2009-01-06 Thread Brian Rohrbacher





What do you guys do on elevator/grain legs that have cages around
them.  Usually it's like a 100ft ladder.

Brian

Chuck McCown wrote:

  I used to free climb towers.  Some of them had so much crap on them it was 
the only way to do it (unless you had two belts... perish the thought).
- Original Message - 
From: "3-dB Networks" 
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident


  
  
And 15 years ago most people climbed towers freestyle... all this safety
gear is still relatively new isn't it

Daniel White
3-dB Networks
http://www.3dbnetworks.com


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:50 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

Back in the day, we climbed wooden poles with nothing other than our hooks
and hands.  Once you got up, then you would throw the one single belt 
around

the pole.  Most of the time the drop was between 20 and 30 feet.  Enough 
to
hurt you pretty bad but probably not kill you.  I "burned" one pole one
time.  Torn shirt, splinters in my arms.  Funny how quick you can hug a 
pole

when you hook hits a knot in the pole.  (The reason it happened was I was
talking to and showing off for a former girlfriend).  In any event, it was
the preferred way of climbing.  Much quicker and easier, and actually, if
the pole was nice and soft, was very safe.
- Original Message - 
From: "George Rogato" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:12 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident




  When you climb, do you only use one lanyard to tie off with?
Does this mean every time you unclip your lanyard to move it  that you
are then not tied off at all?


3-dB Networks wrote:
  
  
Well I don't tie off in two places when I'm climbing... but when I am in
a
position I am going to be working at I tie off in two different places
just
in case... because you never know what might happen.

Daniel White
3-dB Networks
http://www.3dbnetworks.com

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 8:52 AM
To: dmburg...@linktechs.net; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

When climbing how many think "let's tie off in two places because this
first piece of angle iron is going to fall off"?

On 1/6/09, Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net 
wrote:


  Not to say thats not right.  The whole point of the Darwin awards was
that the people who died have died in the most stupidest way, that they
did the entire human population a favor by eliminating themselves from
the gene pool.  There is a movie even on it.Like the guy who
strapped a Jato Rocket to his Chevy, the guy who was so cheap, he got
his hand stuck in the soda machine and while trying to free it, it feel
over on him.  ETC.  Its on netflix instant streaming.

--
* Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
WISPA Board Member - wispa.org 
Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services*
*Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net


*/ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training
/*



George Rogato wrote:
  
  
Very sad indeed.
I don't think they should be giving awards away for incidents when
people die at work. Even if the person made a mistake like that.
It was not funny to me at all.

But some have a weird sense of humor.
Me, I see no humor in a death or falling off a tower


Blair Davis wrote:



  Tower accident...

http://www.darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin2008-20.html



  

  

  




  

  

  


  

  

  




  



  

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Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

2009-01-06 Thread 3-dB Networks

Exactly.

 

Daniel White

3-dB Networks

http://www.3dbnetworks.com

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 4:20 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

 

I think what he means is he does not tie off to two different angle irons,
stairs, ect while climbing.  
But when positioned does tie off to at least two different parts of the
tower in case a bolt fails or something. (one hook on the ladder, the other
in a tower leg)

George Rogato wrote: 

When you climb, do you only use one lanyard to tie off with?
Does this mean every time you unclip your lanyard to move it  that you 
are then not tied off at all?
 
 
3-dB Networks wrote:
  

Well I don't tie off in two places when I'm climbing... but when I am in a
position I am going to be working at I tie off in two different places just
in case... because you never know what might happen.
 
Daniel White
3-dB Networks
http://www.3dbnetworks.com
 
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 8:52 AM
To: dmburg...@linktechs.net; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
 
When climbing how many think "let's tie off in two places because this
first piece of angle iron is going to fall off"?
 
On 1/6/09, Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net  <mailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net>
 wrote:


Not to say thats not right.  The whole point of the Darwin awards was
that the people who died have died in the most stupidest way, that they
did the entire human population a favor by eliminating themselves from
the gene pool.  There is a movie even on it.Like the guy who
strapped a Jato Rocket to his Chevy, the guy who was so cheap, he got
his hand stuck in the soda machine and while trying to free it, it feel
over on him.  ETC.  Its on netflix instant streaming.
 
--
* Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
WISPA Board Member - wispa.org  <http://www.wispa.org/>
<http://www.wispa.org/>
Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services*
*Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net
 <http://www.linktechs.net/> <http://www.linktechs.net/>
 
*/ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training
 <http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp>
<http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp>/*
 
 
 
George Rogato wrote:
  

Very sad indeed.
I don't think they should be giving awards away for incidents when
people die at work. Even if the person made a mistake like that.
It was not funny to me at all.
 
But some have a weird sense of humor.
Me, I see no humor in a death or falling off a tower
 
 
Blair Davis wrote:
 


Tower accident...
 
http://www.darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin2008-20.html
 
 

 
 
 
 
  





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Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

2009-01-06 Thread Brian Rohrbacher





I think what he means is he does not tie off to two different angle
irons, stairs, ect while climbing.  
But when positioned does tie off to at least two different parts of the
tower in case a bolt fails or something. (one hook on the ladder, the
other in a tower leg)

George Rogato wrote:

  When you climb, do you only use one lanyard to tie off with?
Does this mean every time you unclip your lanyard to move it  that you 
are then not tied off at all?


3-dB Networks wrote:
  
  
Well I don't tie off in two places when I'm climbing... but when I am in a
position I am going to be working at I tie off in two different places just
in case... because you never know what might happen.

Daniel White
3-dB Networks
http://www.3dbnetworks.com

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 8:52 AM
To: dmburg...@linktechs.net; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

When climbing how many think "let's tie off in two places because this
first piece of angle iron is going to fall off"?

On 1/6/09, Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net  wrote:


  Not to say thats not right.  The whole point of the Darwin awards was
that the people who died have died in the most stupidest way, that they
did the entire human population a favor by eliminating themselves from
the gene pool.  There is a movie even on it.Like the guy who
strapped a Jato Rocket to his Chevy, the guy who was so cheap, he got
his hand stuck in the soda machine and while trying to free it, it feel
over on him.  ETC.  Its on netflix instant streaming.

--
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WISPA Board Member - wispa.org 
Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services*
*Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net


*/ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training
/*



George Rogato wrote:
  
  
Very sad indeed.
I don't think they should be giving awards away for incidents when
people die at work. Even if the person made a mistake like that.
It was not funny to me at all.

But some have a weird sense of humor.
Me, I see no humor in a death or falling off a tower


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Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

2009-01-06 Thread Chuck McCown

When free climbing, you are very careful.  Perhaps more careful than with 
multiple lanyards.
I can remember placing each hand in a slow deliberate manner.  Did not want 
to be surprised by a sharp metal burr or stinging insect on whatever I was 
grabbing.

- Original Message - 
From: "Cameron Kilton" 
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident


> When I climb, I am clipped into three different areas while working
> away.
>
> Freestyle, phew, glad I missed that part of it. I have been climbing for
> about 4 years I couldn't imagine using some of the stuff people used to
> use.
>
> -Cameron
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Chuck McCown
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 4:30 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>
> I used to free climb towers.  Some of them had so much crap on them it
> was
> the only way to do it (unless you had two belts... perish the thought).
> - Original Message - 
> From: "3-dB Networks" 
> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:58 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>
>
>> And 15 years ago most people climbed towers freestyle... all this
> safety
>> gear is still relatively new isn't it
>>
>> Daniel White
>> 3-dB Networks
>> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-----
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> On
>> Behalf Of Chuck McCown
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:50 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>>
>> Back in the day, we climbed wooden poles with nothing other than our
> hooks
>> and hands.  Once you got up, then you would throw the one single belt
>> around
>>
>> the pole.  Most of the time the drop was between 20 and 30 feet.
> Enough
>> to
>> hurt you pretty bad but probably not kill you.  I "burned" one pole
> one
>> time.  Torn shirt, splinters in my arms.  Funny how quick you can hug
> a
>> pole
>>
>> when you hook hits a knot in the pole.  (The reason it happened was I
> was
>> talking to and showing off for a former girlfriend).  In any event, it
> was
>> the preferred way of climbing.  Much quicker and easier, and actually,
> if
>> the pole was nice and soft, was very safe.
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "George Rogato" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:12 AM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>>
>>
>>> When you climb, do you only use one lanyard to tie off with?
>>> Does this mean every time you unclip your lanyard to move it  that
> you
>>> are then not tied off at all?
>>>
>>>
>>> 3-dB Networks wrote:
>>>> Well I don't tie off in two places when I'm climbing... but when I
> am in
>>>> a
>>>> position I am going to be working at I tie off in two different
> places
>>>> just
>>>> in case... because you never know what might happen.
>>>>
>>>> Daniel White
>>>> 3-dB Networks
>>>> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> On
>>>> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 8:52 AM
>>>> To: dmburg...@linktechs.net; WISPA General List
>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>>>>
>>>> When climbing how many think "let's tie off in two places because
> this
>>>> first piece of angle iron is going to fall off"?
>>>>
>>>> On 1/6/09, Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Not to say thats not right.  The whole point of the Darwin awards
> was
>>>>> that the people who died have died in the most stupidest way, that
> they
>>>>> did the entire human population a favor by eliminating themselves
> from
>>>>> the gene pool.  There is a movie even on it.Like the guy who
>>>>> strapped a Jato Rocket to his Chevy, the guy who was so cheap, he
> got
>>>>> his hand stuck in the soda machine and while trying to free it, it
> feel
>>>>> over on him.  ETC.  Its on netflix instant streaming.
>>>>>
>&

Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

2009-01-06 Thread Tom DeReggi

Well, it may not be funny, but it does demonstrate a very important point.
That it is very easy to lose focus, and not be cautious of the obvious.
Its sorta like, "most car accidents happen within a mile of their own house, 
where they are most familiar"

There are reasons, they teach you to never tie off both hooks to the same 
place.
And that was one of them, unfortunteately.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: "George Rogato" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:31 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident


> Very sad indeed.
> I don't think they should be giving awards away for incidents when
> people die at work. Even if the person made a mistake like that.
> It was not funny to me at all.
>
> But some have a weird sense of humor.
> Me, I see no humor in a death or falling off a tower
>
>
> Blair Davis wrote:
>> Tower accident...
>>
>> http://www.darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin2008-20.html
>>
>>
>> 
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Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

2009-01-06 Thread Cameron Kilton

When I climb, I am clipped into three different areas while working
away. 

Freestyle, phew, glad I missed that part of it. I have been climbing for
about 4 years I couldn't imagine using some of the stuff people used to
use. 

-Cameron

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 4:30 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

I used to free climb towers.  Some of them had so much crap on them it
was 
the only way to do it (unless you had two belts... perish the thought).
- Original Message - 
From: "3-dB Networks" 
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident


> And 15 years ago most people climbed towers freestyle... all this
safety
> gear is still relatively new isn't it
>
> Daniel White
> 3-dB Networks
> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
> Behalf Of Chuck McCown
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:50 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>
> Back in the day, we climbed wooden poles with nothing other than our
hooks
> and hands.  Once you got up, then you would throw the one single belt 
> around
>
> the pole.  Most of the time the drop was between 20 and 30 feet.
Enough 
> to
> hurt you pretty bad but probably not kill you.  I "burned" one pole
one
> time.  Torn shirt, splinters in my arms.  Funny how quick you can hug
a 
> pole
>
> when you hook hits a knot in the pole.  (The reason it happened was I
was
> talking to and showing off for a former girlfriend).  In any event, it
was
> the preferred way of climbing.  Much quicker and easier, and actually,
if
> the pole was nice and soft, was very safe.
> ----- Original Message - 
> From: "George Rogato" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:12 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>
>
>> When you climb, do you only use one lanyard to tie off with?
>> Does this mean every time you unclip your lanyard to move it  that
you
>> are then not tied off at all?
>>
>>
>> 3-dB Networks wrote:
>>> Well I don't tie off in two places when I'm climbing... but when I
am in
>>> a
>>> position I am going to be working at I tie off in two different
places
>>> just
>>> in case... because you never know what might happen.
>>>
>>> Daniel White
>>> 3-dB Networks
>>> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
>>> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 8:52 AM
>>> To: dmburg...@linktechs.net; WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>>>
>>> When climbing how many think "let's tie off in two places because
this
>>> first piece of angle iron is going to fall off"?
>>>
>>> On 1/6/09, Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net 
>>> wrote:
>>>> Not to say thats not right.  The whole point of the Darwin awards
was
>>>> that the people who died have died in the most stupidest way, that
they
>>>> did the entire human population a favor by eliminating themselves
from
>>>> the gene pool.  There is a movie even on it.Like the guy who
>>>> strapped a Jato Rocket to his Chevy, the guy who was so cheap, he
got
>>>> his hand stuck in the soda machine and while trying to free it, it
feel
>>>> over on him.  ETC.  Its on netflix instant streaming.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
>>>> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org <http://www.wispa.org/>
>>>> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services*
>>>> *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net
>>>> <http://www.linktechs.net/>
>>>>
>>>> */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line
Training
>>>> <http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp>/*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> George Rogato wrote:
>>>>> Very sad indeed.
>>>>> I don't think they should be giving awards away for incidents when
>>>>> people die at work. Even if the person made a mistake like that.
>>>>> It was not funny to me at all.
>>>>>
&

Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

2009-01-06 Thread Chuck McCown

I used to free climb towers.  Some of them had so much crap on them it was 
the only way to do it (unless you had two belts... perish the thought).
- Original Message - 
From: "3-dB Networks" 
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident


> And 15 years ago most people climbed towers freestyle... all this safety
> gear is still relatively new isn't it
>
> Daniel White
> 3-dB Networks
> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Chuck McCown
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:50 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>
> Back in the day, we climbed wooden poles with nothing other than our hooks
> and hands.  Once you got up, then you would throw the one single belt 
> around
>
> the pole.  Most of the time the drop was between 20 and 30 feet.  Enough 
> to
> hurt you pretty bad but probably not kill you.  I "burned" one pole one
> time.  Torn shirt, splinters in my arms.  Funny how quick you can hug a 
> pole
>
> when you hook hits a knot in the pole.  (The reason it happened was I was
> talking to and showing off for a former girlfriend).  In any event, it was
> the preferred way of climbing.  Much quicker and easier, and actually, if
> the pole was nice and soft, was very safe.
> - Original Message - 
> From: "George Rogato" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:12 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>
>
>> When you climb, do you only use one lanyard to tie off with?
>> Does this mean every time you unclip your lanyard to move it  that you
>> are then not tied off at all?
>>
>>
>> 3-dB Networks wrote:
>>> Well I don't tie off in two places when I'm climbing... but when I am in
>>> a
>>> position I am going to be working at I tie off in two different places
>>> just
>>> in case... because you never know what might happen.
>>>
>>> Daniel White
>>> 3-dB Networks
>>> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 8:52 AM
>>> To: dmburg...@linktechs.net; WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>>>
>>> When climbing how many think "let's tie off in two places because this
>>> first piece of angle iron is going to fall off"?
>>>
>>> On 1/6/09, Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net 
>>> wrote:
>>>> Not to say thats not right.  The whole point of the Darwin awards was
>>>> that the people who died have died in the most stupidest way, that they
>>>> did the entire human population a favor by eliminating themselves from
>>>> the gene pool.  There is a movie even on it.Like the guy who
>>>> strapped a Jato Rocket to his Chevy, the guy who was so cheap, he got
>>>> his hand stuck in the soda machine and while trying to free it, it feel
>>>> over on him.  ETC.  Its on netflix instant streaming.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
>>>> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org <http://www.wispa.org/>
>>>> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services*
>>>> *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net
>>>> <http://www.linktechs.net/>
>>>>
>>>> */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training
>>>> <http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp>/*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> George Rogato wrote:
>>>>> Very sad indeed.
>>>>> I don't think they should be giving awards away for incidents when
>>>>> people die at work. Even if the person made a mistake like that.
>>>>> It was not funny to me at all.
>>>>>
>>>>> But some have a weird sense of humor.
>>>>> Me, I see no humor in a death or falling off a tower
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Blair Davis wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Tower accident...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin2008-20.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>

Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

2009-01-06 Thread Chuck Bartosch

I also recommend the ComTrain course. I sent a staff member to it who  
I knew was climbing even when I'd said we'd use a tower company to do  
it. He just didn't like to wait, and yes, he was completely fearless.

He came back a chastened man with truly the fear of god put into  
him. . He *thought* he was climbing safely before that. Best thing I  
ever did was send him to that course because I consider him a friend,  
not just a staff member. I don't want to lose either.

Chuck

On Jan 6, 2009, at 2:27 PM, 3-dB Networks wrote:

> I did a lot of climbing before I bothered to be Comtrain  
> certified... after
> the fact... even though I was using the right gear, I realized that  
> many
> things I was doing were wrong.
>
> I strongly recommend anyone climbing towers should take a tower  
> climbing
> course... Comtrain was great but I'm sure the other pro ones out  
> there are
> pretty good.
>
> Daniel White
> 3-dB Networks
> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]  
> On
> Behalf Of George Rogato
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 12:03 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>
> Chuck McCown wrote:
>> Back in the day, we climbed wooden poles with nothing other than  
>> our hooks
>
>> and hands.  Once you got up, then you would throw the one single belt
> around
>> the pole.  Most of the time the drop was between 20 and 30 feet.   
>> Enough
> to
>> hurt you pretty bad but probably not kill you.  I "burned" one pole  
>> one
>> time.  Torn shirt, splinters in my arms.  Funny how quick you can  
>> hug a
> pole
>> when you hook hits a knot in the pole.  (The reason it happened was  
>> I was
>> talking to and showing off for a former girlfriend).  In any event,  
>> it was
>
>> the preferred way of climbing.  Much quicker and easier, and  
>> actually, if
>> the pole was nice and soft, was very safe.
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "George Rogato" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:12 AM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>>
>>
> I can remember seeing guys climb poles, just like you described.
>
> When we first started we knew nothing. A guy who I had wired his house
> had a big picture hanging on his wall. It was him  flying through the
> air hanging off a cable attached to a helicopter.
> He explained thats how they get you out into the middle of no where to
> work on transmition lines.
> Was a pretty cool picture.
>
> Anyways, he offered to climb for us. So eventually when we went to  
> build
> out our first tower we used him. He was retired 60 or so. That guy was
> like a monkey climbing a tree. He used a waste belt and hardly ever  
> tied
> off. The one tower we were on had horizontal members that he would  
> just
> walk as if it was a side walk, no belt no tie off, just a monkey. The
> tower had a ladder and a couple platforms at the top to work from.
> Anyways, he always would complain that he needed someone else to climb
> with him cause it was lonely up on that platform alone.
> So  we had my son's and others go up there with him.
> Nobody ever taught us how to climb or how dangerous it was. Or what
> safety precautions to take.
>
> Until Bob M. (on his blackberry) pointed out when a wisp posted a
> picture of is guy free climbing a 400' with sneakers and no belt.
>
> I shiver at the thoughts of what could have happened. I could have  
> lost
> a son or worker because we were stupid.
>
> And we never used the old guy again, he was dangerous. We talk all the
> time, and he always offers to climb for us, but I just tell him maybe
> next time.
>
> Not sure about others, but I think Bob M's posting have saved a couple
> lives.
>
> Thats why I wanted to querry deeper, so anyone else reading that  
> doesn't
> know any better who is new to the industry understands safety aspect  
> of
> climbing.
>
>
>
> George
>
>
> 
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

2009-01-06 Thread 3-dB Networks

I did a lot of climbing before I bothered to be Comtrain certified... after
the fact... even though I was using the right gear, I realized that many
things I was doing were wrong.

I strongly recommend anyone climbing towers should take a tower climbing
course... Comtrain was great but I'm sure the other pro ones out there are
pretty good.

Daniel White
3-dB Networks
http://www.3dbnetworks.com

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of George Rogato
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 12:03 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

Chuck McCown wrote:
> Back in the day, we climbed wooden poles with nothing other than our hooks

> and hands.  Once you got up, then you would throw the one single belt
around 
> the pole.  Most of the time the drop was between 20 and 30 feet.  Enough
to 
> hurt you pretty bad but probably not kill you.  I "burned" one pole one 
> time.  Torn shirt, splinters in my arms.  Funny how quick you can hug a
pole 
> when you hook hits a knot in the pole.  (The reason it happened was I was 
> talking to and showing off for a former girlfriend).  In any event, it was

> the preferred way of climbing.  Much quicker and easier, and actually, if 
> the pole was nice and soft, was very safe.
> - Original Message - 
> From: "George Rogato" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:12 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>
>   
I can remember seeing guys climb poles, just like you described.

When we first started we knew nothing. A guy who I had wired his house 
had a big picture hanging on his wall. It was him  flying through the 
air hanging off a cable attached to a helicopter.
He explained thats how they get you out into the middle of no where to 
work on transmition lines.
Was a pretty cool picture.

Anyways, he offered to climb for us. So eventually when we went to build 
out our first tower we used him. He was retired 60 or so. That guy was 
like a monkey climbing a tree. He used a waste belt and hardly ever tied 
off. The one tower we were on had horizontal members that he would just 
walk as if it was a side walk, no belt no tie off, just a monkey. The 
tower had a ladder and a couple platforms at the top to work from.
Anyways, he always would complain that he needed someone else to climb 
with him cause it was lonely up on that platform alone.
So  we had my son's and others go up there with him.
Nobody ever taught us how to climb or how dangerous it was. Or what 
safety precautions to take.

Until Bob M. (on his blackberry) pointed out when a wisp posted a 
picture of is guy free climbing a 400' with sneakers and no belt.

I shiver at the thoughts of what could have happened. I could have lost 
a son or worker because we were stupid.

And we never used the old guy again, he was dangerous. We talk all the 
time, and he always offers to climb for us, but I just tell him maybe 
next time.

Not sure about others, but I think Bob M's posting have saved a couple 
lives.

Thats why I wanted to querry deeper, so anyone else reading that doesn't 
know any better who is new to the industry understands safety aspect of 
climbing.

George

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Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

2009-01-06 Thread George Rogato

Chuck McCown wrote:
> Back in the day, we climbed wooden poles with nothing other than our hooks 
> and hands.  Once you got up, then you would throw the one single belt around 
> the pole.  Most of the time the drop was between 20 and 30 feet.  Enough to 
> hurt you pretty bad but probably not kill you.  I "burned" one pole one 
> time.  Torn shirt, splinters in my arms.  Funny how quick you can hug a pole 
> when you hook hits a knot in the pole.  (The reason it happened was I was 
> talking to and showing off for a former girlfriend).  In any event, it was 
> the preferred way of climbing.  Much quicker and easier, and actually, if 
> the pole was nice and soft, was very safe.
> - Original Message - 
> From: "George Rogato" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:12 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>
>   
I can remember seeing guys climb poles, just like you described.

When we first started we knew nothing. A guy who I had wired his house 
had a big picture hanging on his wall. It was him  flying through the 
air hanging off a cable attached to a helicopter.
He explained thats how they get you out into the middle of no where to 
work on transmition lines.
Was a pretty cool picture.

Anyways, he offered to climb for us. So eventually when we went to build 
out our first tower we used him. He was retired 60 or so. That guy was 
like a monkey climbing a tree. He used a waste belt and hardly ever tied 
off. The one tower we were on had horizontal members that he would just 
walk as if it was a side walk, no belt no tie off, just a monkey. The 
tower had a ladder and a couple platforms at the top to work from.
Anyways, he always would complain that he needed someone else to climb 
with him cause it was lonely up on that platform alone.
So  we had my son's and others go up there with him.
Nobody ever taught us how to climb or how dangerous it was. Or what 
safety precautions to take.

Until Bob M. (on his blackberry) pointed out when a wisp posted a 
picture of is guy free climbing a 400' with sneakers and no belt.

I shiver at the thoughts of what could have happened. I could have lost 
a son or worker because we were stupid.

And we never used the old guy again, he was dangerous. We talk all the 
time, and he always offers to climb for us, but I just tell him maybe 
next time.

Not sure about others, but I think Bob M's posting have saved a couple 
lives.

Thats why I wanted to querry deeper, so anyone else reading that doesn't 
know any better who is new to the industry understands safety aspect of 
climbing.

George

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Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

2009-01-06 Thread Blake Bowers

I remember years ago carrying a cable TV employee from
the hospital in Hendersonville TN to Vanderbilt hospital in
Nashville after he slid a pole.

Fractured legs X2, and abraisions and splinters ALL over.

I do mean ALL over

Don't take your organs to heaven,
heaven knows we need them down here!
Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.

- Original Message - 
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident


> You just put your gloved hands on each side of the pole.  Kinda like the
> guys that climb palm trees with nothing.
> You have hooks on your feet so that is what is keeping you on the pole.
> Your hands keep you from falling backwards but there isn't much force on
> your hands if you are doing it right.
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Josh Luthman" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:52 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>
>
>> What is this wood?  Is it like primitive steel? =)
>>
>> Did the pole have hooks like a gen pole?  What did the person hold on to
>> when climbing?
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
>> --- Henry Spencer
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>>> Back in the day, we climbed wooden poles with nothing other than our
>>> hooks
>>> and hands.  Once you got up, then you would throw the one single belt
>>> around
>>> the pole.  Most of the time the drop was between 20 and 30 feet.  Enough
>>> to
>>> hurt you pretty bad but probably not kill you.  I "burned" one pole one
>>> time.  Torn shirt, splinters in my arms.  Funny how quick you can hug a
>>> pole
>>> when you hook hits a knot in the pole.  (The reason it happened was I 
>>> was
>>> talking to and showing off for a former girlfriend).  In any event, it
>>> was
>>> the preferred way of climbing.  Much quicker and easier, and actually, 
>>> if
>>> the pole was nice and soft, was very safe.
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "George Rogato" 
>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:12 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>>>
>>>
>>> > When you climb, do you only use one lanyard to tie off with?
>>> > Does this mean every time you unclip your lanyard to move it  that you
>>> > are then not tied off at all?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > 3-dB Networks wrote:
>>> >> Well I don't tie off in two places when I'm climbing... but when I am
>>> >> in
>>> >> a
>>> >> position I am going to be working at I tie off in two different 
>>> >> places
>>> >> just
>>> >> in case... because you never know what might happen.
>>> >>
>>> >> Daniel White
>>> >> 3-dB Networks
>>> >> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>>> >>
>>> >> -Original Message-
>>> >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>>> >> On
>>> >> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
>>> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 8:52 AM
>>> >> To: dmburg...@linktechs.net; WISPA General List
>>> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>>> >>
>>> >> When climbing how many think "let's tie off in two places because 
>>> >> this
>>> >> first piece of angle iron is going to fall off"?
>>> >>
>>> >> On 1/6/09, Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net 
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>> Not to say thats not right.  The whole point of the Darwin awards 
>>> >>> was
>>> >>> that the people who died have died in the most stupidest way, that
>>> >>> they
>>> >>> did the entire human population a favor by eliminating themselves
>>> >>> from
>>> >>> the gene pool.  There is a movie even on it.Like the guy who
>>> >>> strapped a Jato Rocket to his Chevy, the guy who was so cheap, he 
>>> >>> got
>>> >>> his hand stuck in the soda machine and while trying to free it, it

Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

2009-01-06 Thread Josh Luthman

What is this wood?  Is it like primitive steel? =)

Did the pole have hooks like a gen pole?  What did the person hold on to
when climbing?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
--- Henry Spencer


On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Back in the day, we climbed wooden poles with nothing other than our hooks
> and hands.  Once you got up, then you would throw the one single belt
> around
> the pole.  Most of the time the drop was between 20 and 30 feet.  Enough to
> hurt you pretty bad but probably not kill you.  I "burned" one pole one
> time.  Torn shirt, splinters in my arms.  Funny how quick you can hug a
> pole
> when you hook hits a knot in the pole.  (The reason it happened was I was
> talking to and showing off for a former girlfriend).  In any event, it was
> the preferred way of climbing.  Much quicker and easier, and actually, if
> the pole was nice and soft, was very safe.
> - Original Message -
> From: "George Rogato" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:12 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>
>
> > When you climb, do you only use one lanyard to tie off with?
> > Does this mean every time you unclip your lanyard to move it  that you
> > are then not tied off at all?
> >
> >
> > 3-dB Networks wrote:
> >> Well I don't tie off in two places when I'm climbing... but when I am in
> >> a
> >> position I am going to be working at I tie off in two different places
> >> just
> >> in case... because you never know what might happen.
> >>
> >> Daniel White
> >> 3-dB Networks
> >> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> >> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 8:52 AM
> >> To: dmburg...@linktechs.net; WISPA General List
> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
> >>
> >> When climbing how many think "let's tie off in two places because this
> >> first piece of angle iron is going to fall off"?
> >>
> >> On 1/6/09, Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net 
> >> wrote:
> >>> Not to say thats not right.  The whole point of the Darwin awards was
> >>> that the people who died have died in the most stupidest way, that they
> >>> did the entire human population a favor by eliminating themselves from
> >>> the gene pool.  There is a movie even on it.Like the guy who
> >>> strapped a Jato Rocket to his Chevy, the guy who was so cheap, he got
> >>> his hand stuck in the soda machine and while trying to free it, it feel
> >>> over on him.  ETC.  Its on netflix instant streaming.
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
> >>> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org <http://www.wispa.org/>
> >>> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services*
> >>> *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net
> >>> <http://www.linktechs.net/>
> >>>
> >>> */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training
> >>> <http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp>/*
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> George Rogato wrote:
> >>>> Very sad indeed.
> >>>> I don't think they should be giving awards away for incidents when
> >>>> people die at work. Even if the person made a mistake like that.
> >>>> It was not funny to me at all.
> >>>>
> >>>> But some have a weird sense of humor.
> >>>> Me, I see no humor in a death or falling off a tower
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Blair Davis wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Tower accident...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://www.darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin2008-20.html
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> 
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>
> 
> >> 
> >>>>> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
>

Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

2009-01-06 Thread 3-dB Networks

And 15 years ago most people climbed towers freestyle... all this safety
gear is still relatively new isn't it

Daniel White
3-dB Networks
http://www.3dbnetworks.com


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:50 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

Back in the day, we climbed wooden poles with nothing other than our hooks 
and hands.  Once you got up, then you would throw the one single belt around

the pole.  Most of the time the drop was between 20 and 30 feet.  Enough to 
hurt you pretty bad but probably not kill you.  I "burned" one pole one 
time.  Torn shirt, splinters in my arms.  Funny how quick you can hug a pole

when you hook hits a knot in the pole.  (The reason it happened was I was 
talking to and showing off for a former girlfriend).  In any event, it was 
the preferred way of climbing.  Much quicker and easier, and actually, if 
the pole was nice and soft, was very safe.
- Original Message - 
From: "George Rogato" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:12 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident


> When you climb, do you only use one lanyard to tie off with?
> Does this mean every time you unclip your lanyard to move it  that you
> are then not tied off at all?
>
>
> 3-dB Networks wrote:
>> Well I don't tie off in two places when I'm climbing... but when I am in 
>> a
>> position I am going to be working at I tie off in two different places 
>> just
>> in case... because you never know what might happen.
>>
>> Daniel White
>> 3-dB Networks
>> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 8:52 AM
>> To: dmburg...@linktechs.net; WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>>
>> When climbing how many think "let's tie off in two places because this
>> first piece of angle iron is going to fall off"?
>>
>> On 1/6/09, Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net  
>> wrote:
>>> Not to say thats not right.  The whole point of the Darwin awards was
>>> that the people who died have died in the most stupidest way, that they
>>> did the entire human population a favor by eliminating themselves from
>>> the gene pool.  There is a movie even on it.Like the guy who
>>> strapped a Jato Rocket to his Chevy, the guy who was so cheap, he got
>>> his hand stuck in the soda machine and while trying to free it, it feel
>>> over on him.  ETC.  Its on netflix instant streaming.
>>>
>>> --
>>> * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
>>> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org <http://www.wispa.org/>
>>> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services*
>>> *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net
>>> <http://www.linktechs.net/>
>>>
>>> */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training
>>> <http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp>/*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> George Rogato wrote:
>>>> Very sad indeed.
>>>> I don't think they should be giving awards away for incidents when
>>>> people die at work. Even if the person made a mistake like that.
>>>> It was not funny to me at all.
>>>>
>>>> But some have a weird sense of humor.
>>>> Me, I see no humor in a death or falling off a tower
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Blair Davis wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Tower accident...
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin2008-20.html
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>

>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>

>> 
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Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

2009-01-06 Thread Chuck McCown

Back in the day, we climbed wooden poles with nothing other than our hooks 
and hands.  Once you got up, then you would throw the one single belt around 
the pole.  Most of the time the drop was between 20 and 30 feet.  Enough to 
hurt you pretty bad but probably not kill you.  I "burned" one pole one 
time.  Torn shirt, splinters in my arms.  Funny how quick you can hug a pole 
when you hook hits a knot in the pole.  (The reason it happened was I was 
talking to and showing off for a former girlfriend).  In any event, it was 
the preferred way of climbing.  Much quicker and easier, and actually, if 
the pole was nice and soft, was very safe.
- Original Message - 
From: "George Rogato" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:12 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident


> When you climb, do you only use one lanyard to tie off with?
> Does this mean every time you unclip your lanyard to move it  that you
> are then not tied off at all?
>
>
> 3-dB Networks wrote:
>> Well I don't tie off in two places when I'm climbing... but when I am in 
>> a
>> position I am going to be working at I tie off in two different places 
>> just
>> in case... because you never know what might happen.
>>
>> Daniel White
>> 3-dB Networks
>> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 8:52 AM
>> To: dmburg...@linktechs.net; WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>>
>> When climbing how many think "let's tie off in two places because this
>> first piece of angle iron is going to fall off"?
>>
>> On 1/6/09, Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net  
>> wrote:
>>> Not to say thats not right.  The whole point of the Darwin awards was
>>> that the people who died have died in the most stupidest way, that they
>>> did the entire human population a favor by eliminating themselves from
>>> the gene pool.  There is a movie even on it.Like the guy who
>>> strapped a Jato Rocket to his Chevy, the guy who was so cheap, he got
>>> his hand stuck in the soda machine and while trying to free it, it feel
>>> over on him.  ETC.  Its on netflix instant streaming.
>>>
>>> --
>>> * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
>>> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org <http://www.wispa.org/>
>>> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services*
>>> *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net
>>> <http://www.linktechs.net/>
>>>
>>> */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training
>>> <http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp>/*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> George Rogato wrote:
>>>> Very sad indeed.
>>>> I don't think they should be giving awards away for incidents when
>>>> people die at work. Even if the person made a mistake like that.
>>>> It was not funny to me at all.
>>>>
>>>> But some have a weird sense of humor.
>>>> Me, I see no humor in a death or falling off a tower
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Blair Davis wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Tower accident...
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin2008-20.html
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>> 
>> 
>>>>> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
>>>>> http://signup.wispa.org/
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Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

2009-01-06 Thread Chuck McCown

You just put your gloved hands on each side of the pole.  Kinda like the 
guys that climb palm trees with nothing.
You have hooks on your feet so that is what is keeping you on the pole. 
Your hands keep you from falling backwards but there isn't much force on 
your hands if you are doing it right.
- Original Message - 
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:52 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident


> What is this wood?  Is it like primitive steel? =)
>
> Did the pole have hooks like a gen pole?  What did the person hold on to
> when climbing?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
> --- Henry Spencer
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> Back in the day, we climbed wooden poles with nothing other than our 
>> hooks
>> and hands.  Once you got up, then you would throw the one single belt
>> around
>> the pole.  Most of the time the drop was between 20 and 30 feet.  Enough 
>> to
>> hurt you pretty bad but probably not kill you.  I "burned" one pole one
>> time.  Torn shirt, splinters in my arms.  Funny how quick you can hug a
>> pole
>> when you hook hits a knot in the pole.  (The reason it happened was I was
>> talking to and showing off for a former girlfriend).  In any event, it 
>> was
>> the preferred way of climbing.  Much quicker and easier, and actually, if
>> the pole was nice and soft, was very safe.
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "George Rogato" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:12 AM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>>
>>
>> > When you climb, do you only use one lanyard to tie off with?
>> > Does this mean every time you unclip your lanyard to move it  that you
>> > are then not tied off at all?
>> >
>> >
>> > 3-dB Networks wrote:
>> >> Well I don't tie off in two places when I'm climbing... but when I am 
>> >> in
>> >> a
>> >> position I am going to be working at I tie off in two different places
>> >> just
>> >> in case... because you never know what might happen.
>> >>
>> >> Daniel White
>> >> 3-dB Networks
>> >> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>> >>
>> >> -Original Message-
>> >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
>> >> On
>> >> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
>> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 8:52 AM
>> >> To: dmburg...@linktechs.net; WISPA General List
>> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>> >>
>> >> When climbing how many think "let's tie off in two places because this
>> >> first piece of angle iron is going to fall off"?
>> >>
>> >> On 1/6/09, Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net 
>> >> wrote:
>> >>> Not to say thats not right.  The whole point of the Darwin awards was
>> >>> that the people who died have died in the most stupidest way, that 
>> >>> they
>> >>> did the entire human population a favor by eliminating themselves 
>> >>> from
>> >>> the gene pool.  There is a movie even on it.Like the guy who
>> >>> strapped a Jato Rocket to his Chevy, the guy who was so cheap, he got
>> >>> his hand stuck in the soda machine and while trying to free it, it 
>> >>> feel
>> >>> over on him.  ETC.  Its on netflix instant streaming.
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
>> >>> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org <http://www.wispa.org/>
>> >>> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services*
>> >>> *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net
>> >>> <http://www.linktechs.net/>
>> >>>
>> >>> */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training
>> >>> <http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp>/*
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> George Rogato wrote:
>> >>>> Very sad indeed.
>> >>>> I don't think they should be giving awards aw

Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

2009-01-06 Thread Mike Hammett

They still train you in that fashion, I believe.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



--
From: "Chuck McCown" 
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 11:49 AM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

> Back in the day, we climbed wooden poles with nothing other than our hooks
> and hands.  Once you got up, then you would throw the one single belt 
> around
> the pole.  Most of the time the drop was between 20 and 30 feet.  Enough 
> to
> hurt you pretty bad but probably not kill you.  I "burned" one pole one
> time.  Torn shirt, splinters in my arms.  Funny how quick you can hug a 
> pole
> when you hook hits a knot in the pole.  (The reason it happened was I was
> talking to and showing off for a former girlfriend).  In any event, it was
> the preferred way of climbing.  Much quicker and easier, and actually, if
> the pole was nice and soft, was very safe.
> - Original Message - 
> From: "George Rogato" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:12 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>
>
>> When you climb, do you only use one lanyard to tie off with?
>> Does this mean every time you unclip your lanyard to move it  that you
>> are then not tied off at all?
>>
>>
>> 3-dB Networks wrote:
>>> Well I don't tie off in two places when I'm climbing... but when I am in
>>> a
>>> position I am going to be working at I tie off in two different places
>>> just
>>> in case... because you never know what might happen.
>>>
>>> Daniel White
>>> 3-dB Networks
>>> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 8:52 AM
>>> To: dmburg...@linktechs.net; WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>>>
>>> When climbing how many think "let's tie off in two places because this
>>> first piece of angle iron is going to fall off"?
>>>
>>> On 1/6/09, Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net 
>>> wrote:
>>>> Not to say thats not right.  The whole point of the Darwin awards was
>>>> that the people who died have died in the most stupidest way, that they
>>>> did the entire human population a favor by eliminating themselves from
>>>> the gene pool.  There is a movie even on it.Like the guy who
>>>> strapped a Jato Rocket to his Chevy, the guy who was so cheap, he got
>>>> his hand stuck in the soda machine and while trying to free it, it feel
>>>> over on him.  ETC.  Its on netflix instant streaming.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
>>>> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org <http://www.wispa.org/>
>>>> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services*
>>>> *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net
>>>> <http://www.linktechs.net/>
>>>>
>>>> */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training
>>>> <http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp>/*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> George Rogato wrote:
>>>>> Very sad indeed.
>>>>> I don't think they should be giving awards away for incidents when
>>>>> people die at work. Even if the person made a mistake like that.
>>>>> It was not funny to me at all.
>>>>>
>>>>> But some have a weird sense of humor.
>>>>> Me, I see no humor in a death or falling off a tower
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Blair Davis wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Tower accident...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin2008-20.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
>>>>>> http://signup.wispa.org/
>>>>>>
>>>

Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

2009-01-06 Thread John McDowell

;-)  j/p

On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 11:59 AM, John McDowell  wrote:

> If Chuck was climbing it was probably petrified wood. He's been around a
> while...
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Josh Luthman  > wrote:
>
>> What is this wood?  Is it like primitive steel? =)
>>
>> Did the pole have hooks like a gen pole?  What did the person hold on to
>> when climbing?
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
>> --- Henry Spencer
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>> > Back in the day, we climbed wooden poles with nothing other than our
>> hooks
>> > and hands.  Once you got up, then you would throw the one single belt
>> > around
>> > the pole.  Most of the time the drop was between 20 and 30 feet.  Enough
>> to
>> > hurt you pretty bad but probably not kill you.  I "burned" one pole one
>> > time.  Torn shirt, splinters in my arms.  Funny how quick you can hug a
>> > pole
>> > when you hook hits a knot in the pole.  (The reason it happened was I
>> was
>> > talking to and showing off for a former girlfriend).  In any event, it
>> was
>> > the preferred way of climbing.  Much quicker and easier, and actually,
>> if
>> > the pole was nice and soft, was very safe.
>> > - Original Message -
>> > From: "George Rogato" 
>> > To: "WISPA General List" 
>> > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:12 AM
>> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>> >
>> >
>> > > When you climb, do you only use one lanyard to tie off with?
>> > > Does this mean every time you unclip your lanyard to move it  that you
>> > > are then not tied off at all?
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > 3-dB Networks wrote:
>> > >> Well I don't tie off in two places when I'm climbing... but when I am
>> in
>> > >> a
>> > >> position I am going to be working at I tie off in two different
>> places
>> > >> just
>> > >> in case... because you never know what might happen.
>> > >>
>> > >> Daniel White
>> > >> 3-dB Networks
>> > >> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>> > >>
>> > >> -Original Message-
>> > >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>> On
>> > >> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
>> > >> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 8:52 AM
>> > >> To: dmburg...@linktechs.net; WISPA General List
>> > >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>> > >>
>> > >> When climbing how many think "let's tie off in two places because
>> this
>> > >> first piece of angle iron is going to fall off"?
>> > >>
>> > >> On 1/6/09, Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net 
>> > >> wrote:
>> > >>> Not to say thats not right.  The whole point of the Darwin awards
>> was
>> > >>> that the people who died have died in the most stupidest way, that
>> they
>> > >>> did the entire human population a favor by eliminating themselves
>> from
>> > >>> the gene pool.  There is a movie even on it.Like the guy who
>> > >>> strapped a Jato Rocket to his Chevy, the guy who was so cheap, he
>> got
>> > >>> his hand stuck in the soda machine and while trying to free it, it
>> feel
>> > >>> over on him.  ETC.  Its on netflix instant streaming.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> --
>> > >>> * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
>> > >>> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org <http://www.wispa.org/>
>> > >>> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services*
>> > >>> *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net
>> > >>> <http://www.linktechs.net/>
>> > >>>
>> > >>> */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training
>> > >>> <http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp>/*
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>

Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

2009-01-06 Thread John McDowell

If Chuck was climbing it was probably petrified wood. He's been around a
while...

On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Josh Luthman
wrote:

> What is this wood?  Is it like primitive steel? =)
>
> Did the pole have hooks like a gen pole?  What did the person hold on to
> when climbing?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
> --- Henry Spencer
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> > Back in the day, we climbed wooden poles with nothing other than our
> hooks
> > and hands.  Once you got up, then you would throw the one single belt
> > around
> > the pole.  Most of the time the drop was between 20 and 30 feet.  Enough
> to
> > hurt you pretty bad but probably not kill you.  I "burned" one pole one
> > time.  Torn shirt, splinters in my arms.  Funny how quick you can hug a
> > pole
> > when you hook hits a knot in the pole.  (The reason it happened was I was
> > talking to and showing off for a former girlfriend).  In any event, it
> was
> > the preferred way of climbing.  Much quicker and easier, and actually, if
> > the pole was nice and soft, was very safe.
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "George Rogato" 
> > To: "WISPA General List" 
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:12 AM
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
> >
> >
> > > When you climb, do you only use one lanyard to tie off with?
> > > Does this mean every time you unclip your lanyard to move it  that you
> > > are then not tied off at all?
> > >
> > >
> > > 3-dB Networks wrote:
> > >> Well I don't tie off in two places when I'm climbing... but when I am
> in
> > >> a
> > >> position I am going to be working at I tie off in two different places
> > >> just
> > >> in case... because you never know what might happen.
> > >>
> > >> Daniel White
> > >> 3-dB Networks
> > >> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
> > >>
> > >> -Original Message-
> > >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> On
> > >> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> > >> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 8:52 AM
> > >> To: dmburg...@linktechs.net; WISPA General List
> > >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
> > >>
> > >> When climbing how many think "let's tie off in two places because this
> > >> first piece of angle iron is going to fall off"?
> > >>
> > >> On 1/6/09, Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net 
> > >> wrote:
> > >>> Not to say thats not right.  The whole point of the Darwin awards was
> > >>> that the people who died have died in the most stupidest way, that
> they
> > >>> did the entire human population a favor by eliminating themselves
> from
> > >>> the gene pool.  There is a movie even on it.Like the guy who
> > >>> strapped a Jato Rocket to his Chevy, the guy who was so cheap, he got
> > >>> his hand stuck in the soda machine and while trying to free it, it
> feel
> > >>> over on him.  ETC.  Its on netflix instant streaming.
> > >>>
> > >>> --
> > >>> * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
> > >>> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org <http://www.wispa.org/>
> > >>> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services*
> > >>> *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net
> > >>> <http://www.linktechs.net/>
> > >>>
> > >>> */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training
> > >>> <http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp>/*
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> George Rogato wrote:
> > >>>> Very sad indeed.
> > >>>> I don't think they should be giving awards away for incidents when
> > >>>> people die at work. Even if the person made a mistake like that.
> > >>>> It was not funny to me at all.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> But some have a weird sense of humor.
> > >>>> Me, I see no humor in a death or

Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

2009-01-06 Thread 3-dB Networks

Right... 100% tie off at all times.

What I'm getting at though is when I get to the position I am going to be
working at... I'm 200% tied off (or I have both lanyards attached to the
tower at a minimum... and to different anchor points if possible... just in
case)

Daniel White
3-dB Networks
http://www.3dbnetworks.com


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of George Rogato
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:23 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

It makes sense the way you explained it. So when you climb you use two 
lanyards.
half the time 1 lanyard is connected and the other half two lanyards are 
connected.
Is that right?


3-dB Networks wrote:
> No... when I climb one lanyard is attached to the tower at all times.  Or
I
> am attached to a cable break or something similar at all times.
> 
> To be tied off in two different places while climbing at all times would
> require three lanyards, or two lanyards and a safe climb device of some
sort
> (cable break, etc.).
> 
> Hopefully that makes sense.  Depending on the tower I climb with up to
four
> lanyards (two positioning and two restraint)
> 
> Daniel White
> 3-dB Networks
> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of George Rogato
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:12 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
> 
> When you climb, do you only use one lanyard to tie off with?
> Does this mean every time you unclip your lanyard to move it  that you 
> are then not tied off at all?
> 
> 
> 3-dB Networks wrote:
>> Well I don't tie off in two places when I'm climbing... but when I am in
a
>> position I am going to be working at I tie off in two different places
> just
>> in case... because you never know what might happen.
>>
>> Daniel White
>> 3-dB Networks
>> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 8:52 AM
>> To: dmburg...@linktechs.net; WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>>
>> When climbing how many think "let's tie off in two places because this
>> first piece of angle iron is going to fall off"?
>>
>> On 1/6/09, Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net 
wrote:
>>> Not to say thats not right.  The whole point of the Darwin awards was
>>> that the people who died have died in the most stupidest way, that they
>>> did the entire human population a favor by eliminating themselves from
>>> the gene pool.  There is a movie even on it.Like the guy who
>>> strapped a Jato Rocket to his Chevy, the guy who was so cheap, he got
>>> his hand stuck in the soda machine and while trying to free it, it feel
>>> over on him.  ETC.  Its on netflix instant streaming.
>>>
>>> --
>>> * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
>>> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org <http://www.wispa.org/>
>>> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services*
>>> *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net
>>> <http://www.linktechs.net/>
>>>
>>> */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training
>>> <http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp>/*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> George Rogato wrote:
>>>> Very sad indeed.
>>>> I don't think they should be giving awards away for incidents when
>>>> people die at work. Even if the person made a mistake like that.
>>>> It was not funny to me at all.
>>>>
>>>> But some have a weird sense of humor.
>>>> Me, I see no humor in a death or falling off a tower
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Blair Davis wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Tower accident...
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin2008-20.html
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
> 
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

2009-01-06 Thread George Rogato

It makes sense the way you explained it. So when you climb you use two 
lanyards.
half the time 1 lanyard is connected and the other half two lanyards are 
connected.
Is that right?


3-dB Networks wrote:
> No... when I climb one lanyard is attached to the tower at all times.  Or I
> am attached to a cable break or something similar at all times.
> 
> To be tied off in two different places while climbing at all times would
> require three lanyards, or two lanyards and a safe climb device of some sort
> (cable break, etc.).
> 
> Hopefully that makes sense.  Depending on the tower I climb with up to four
> lanyards (two positioning and two restraint)
> 
> Daniel White
> 3-dB Networks
> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of George Rogato
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:12 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
> 
> When you climb, do you only use one lanyard to tie off with?
> Does this mean every time you unclip your lanyard to move it  that you 
> are then not tied off at all?
> 
> 
> 3-dB Networks wrote:
>> Well I don't tie off in two places when I'm climbing... but when I am in a
>> position I am going to be working at I tie off in two different places
> just
>> in case... because you never know what might happen.
>>
>> Daniel White
>> 3-dB Networks
>> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 8:52 AM
>> To: dmburg...@linktechs.net; WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
>>
>> When climbing how many think "let's tie off in two places because this
>> first piece of angle iron is going to fall off"?
>>
>> On 1/6/09, Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net  wrote:
>>> Not to say thats not right.  The whole point of the Darwin awards was
>>> that the people who died have died in the most stupidest way, that they
>>> did the entire human population a favor by eliminating themselves from
>>> the gene pool.  There is a movie even on it.Like the guy who
>>> strapped a Jato Rocket to his Chevy, the guy who was so cheap, he got
>>> his hand stuck in the soda machine and while trying to free it, it feel
>>> over on him.  ETC.  Its on netflix instant streaming.
>>>
>>> --
>>> * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
>>> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org <http://www.wispa.org/>
>>> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services*
>>> *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net
>>> <http://www.linktechs.net/>
>>>
>>> */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training
>>> <http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp>/*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> George Rogato wrote:
>>>> Very sad indeed.
>>>> I don't think they should be giving awards away for incidents when
>>>> people die at work. Even if the person made a mistake like that.
>>>> It was not funny to me at all.
>>>>
>>>> But some have a weird sense of humor.
>>>> Me, I see no humor in a death or falling off a tower
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Blair Davis wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Tower accident...
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin2008-20.html
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
> 
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

2009-01-06 Thread 3-dB Networks

No... when I climb one lanyard is attached to the tower at all times.  Or I
am attached to a cable break or something similar at all times.

To be tied off in two different places while climbing at all times would
require three lanyards, or two lanyards and a safe climb device of some sort
(cable break, etc.).

Hopefully that makes sense.  Depending on the tower I climb with up to four
lanyards (two positioning and two restraint)

Daniel White
3-dB Networks
http://www.3dbnetworks.com


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of George Rogato
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:12 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

When you climb, do you only use one lanyard to tie off with?
Does this mean every time you unclip your lanyard to move it  that you 
are then not tied off at all?


3-dB Networks wrote:
> Well I don't tie off in two places when I'm climbing... but when I am in a
> position I am going to be working at I tie off in two different places
just
> in case... because you never know what might happen.
> 
> Daniel White
> 3-dB Networks
> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 8:52 AM
> To: dmburg...@linktechs.net; WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
> 
> When climbing how many think "let's tie off in two places because this
> first piece of angle iron is going to fall off"?
> 
> On 1/6/09, Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net  wrote:
>> Not to say thats not right.  The whole point of the Darwin awards was
>> that the people who died have died in the most stupidest way, that they
>> did the entire human population a favor by eliminating themselves from
>> the gene pool.  There is a movie even on it.Like the guy who
>> strapped a Jato Rocket to his Chevy, the guy who was so cheap, he got
>> his hand stuck in the soda machine and while trying to free it, it feel
>> over on him.  ETC.  Its on netflix instant streaming.
>>
>> --
>> * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
>> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org <http://www.wispa.org/>
>> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services*
>> *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net
>> <http://www.linktechs.net/>
>>
>> */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training
>> <http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp>/*
>>
>>
>>
>> George Rogato wrote:
>>> Very sad indeed.
>>> I don't think they should be giving awards away for incidents when
>>> people die at work. Even if the person made a mistake like that.
>>> It was not funny to me at all.
>>>
>>> But some have a weird sense of humor.
>>> Me, I see no humor in a death or falling off a tower
>>>
>>>
>>> Blair Davis wrote:
>>>
>>>> Tower accident...
>>>>
>>>> http://www.darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin2008-20.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>

>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

2009-01-06 Thread George Rogato

When you climb, do you only use one lanyard to tie off with?
Does this mean every time you unclip your lanyard to move it  that you 
are then not tied off at all?


3-dB Networks wrote:
> Well I don't tie off in two places when I'm climbing... but when I am in a
> position I am going to be working at I tie off in two different places just
> in case... because you never know what might happen.
> 
> Daniel White
> 3-dB Networks
> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 8:52 AM
> To: dmburg...@linktechs.net; WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
> 
> When climbing how many think "let's tie off in two places because this
> first piece of angle iron is going to fall off"?
> 
> On 1/6/09, Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net  wrote:
>> Not to say thats not right.  The whole point of the Darwin awards was
>> that the people who died have died in the most stupidest way, that they
>> did the entire human population a favor by eliminating themselves from
>> the gene pool.  There is a movie even on it.Like the guy who
>> strapped a Jato Rocket to his Chevy, the guy who was so cheap, he got
>> his hand stuck in the soda machine and while trying to free it, it feel
>> over on him.  ETC.  Its on netflix instant streaming.
>>
>> --
>> * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
>> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org <http://www.wispa.org/>
>> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services*
>> *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net
>> <http://www.linktechs.net/>
>>
>> */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training
>> <http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp>/*
>>
>>
>>
>> George Rogato wrote:
>>> Very sad indeed.
>>> I don't think they should be giving awards away for incidents when
>>> people die at work. Even if the person made a mistake like that.
>>> It was not funny to me at all.
>>>
>>> But some have a weird sense of humor.
>>> Me, I see no humor in a death or falling off a tower
>>>
>>>
>>> Blair Davis wrote:
>>>
>>>> Tower accident...
>>>>
>>>> http://www.darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin2008-20.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

2009-01-06 Thread 3-dB Networks

Well I don't tie off in two places when I'm climbing... but when I am in a
position I am going to be working at I tie off in two different places just
in case... because you never know what might happen.

Daniel White
3-dB Networks
http://www.3dbnetworks.com

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 8:52 AM
To: dmburg...@linktechs.net; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

When climbing how many think "let's tie off in two places because this
first piece of angle iron is going to fall off"?

On 1/6/09, Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net  wrote:
> Not to say thats not right.  The whole point of the Darwin awards was
> that the people who died have died in the most stupidest way, that they
> did the entire human population a favor by eliminating themselves from
> the gene pool.  There is a movie even on it.Like the guy who
> strapped a Jato Rocket to his Chevy, the guy who was so cheap, he got
> his hand stuck in the soda machine and while trying to free it, it feel
> over on him.  ETC.  Its on netflix instant streaming.
>
> --
> * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org <http://www.wispa.org/>
> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services*
> *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net
> <http://www.linktechs.net/>
>
> */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training
> <http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp>/*
>
>
>
> George Rogato wrote:
>> Very sad indeed.
>> I don't think they should be giving awards away for incidents when
>> people die at work. Even if the person made a mistake like that.
>> It was not funny to me at all.
>>
>> But some have a weird sense of humor.
>> Me, I see no humor in a death or falling off a tower
>>
>>
>> Blair Davis wrote:
>>
>>> Tower accident...
>>>
>>> http://www.darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin2008-20.html
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

2009-01-06 Thread Josh Luthman

When climbing how many think "let's tie off in two places because this
first piece of angle iron is going to fall off"?

On 1/6/09, Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net  wrote:
> Not to say thats not right.  The whole point of the Darwin awards was
> that the people who died have died in the most stupidest way, that they
> did the entire human population a favor by eliminating themselves from
> the gene pool.  There is a movie even on it.Like the guy who
> strapped a Jato Rocket to his Chevy, the guy who was so cheap, he got
> his hand stuck in the soda machine and while trying to free it, it feel
> over on him.  ETC.  Its on netflix instant streaming.
>
> --
> * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org 
> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services*
> *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net
> 
>
> */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training
> /*
>
>
>
> George Rogato wrote:
>> Very sad indeed.
>> I don't think they should be giving awards away for incidents when
>> people die at work. Even if the person made a mistake like that.
>> It was not funny to me at all.
>>
>> But some have a weird sense of humor.
>> Me, I see no humor in a death or falling off a tower
>>
>>
>> Blair Davis wrote:
>>
>>> Tower accident...
>>>
>>> http://www.darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin2008-20.html
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

2009-01-06 Thread Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net

Not to say thats not right.  The whole point of the Darwin awards was 
that the people who died have died in the most stupidest way, that they 
did the entire human population a favor by eliminating themselves from 
the gene pool.  There is a movie even on it.Like the guy who 
strapped a Jato Rocket to his Chevy, the guy who was so cheap, he got 
his hand stuck in the soda machine and while trying to free it, it feel 
over on him.  ETC.  Its on netflix instant streaming. 

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WISPA Board Member - wispa.org 
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George Rogato wrote:
> Very sad indeed.
> I don't think they should be giving awards away for incidents when 
> people die at work. Even if the person made a mistake like that.
> It was not funny to me at all.
>
> But some have a weird sense of humor.
> Me, I see no humor in a death or falling off a tower
>
>
> Blair Davis wrote:
>   
>> Tower accident...
>>
>> http://www.darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin2008-20.html
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

2009-01-06 Thread George Rogato

Very sad indeed.
I don't think they should be giving awards away for incidents when 
people die at work. Even if the person made a mistake like that.
It was not funny to me at all.

But some have a weird sense of humor.
Me, I see no humor in a death or falling off a tower

Blair Davis wrote:
> Tower accident...
> 
> http://www.darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin2008-20.html
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

2009-01-05 Thread Jack Unger





Oh NO, not the Darwin Awards again...

http://darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin2007-07.html

I almost died laughing...


Blair Davis wrote:

  
Tower accident...
  
  http://www.darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin2008-20.html
  
  




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Re: [WISPA] Tower accident

2009-01-05 Thread Jerry Richardson

Yikes!
 
double tie-offs
 
 
 
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Tower accident...

http://www.darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin2008-20.html





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[WISPA] Tower accident

2009-01-05 Thread Blair Davis





Tower accident...

http://www.darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin2008-20.html






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Re: [WISPA] Tower Accident

2007-07-11 Thread Tim Wolfe


You are a nut case Dude!!, LOL! :-)


JohnnyO wrote:
Tim . I am not sure what you are referring to ! ! ! ! ! Life 
Insurance ? .. *Dong* - ONSTAR - . can you help me 
find my boat...


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- Original Message - From: "Tim Wolfe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 8:00 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower Accident



Mike Hammett wrote:
A full body hazmat setup is always cheap insurance when you're 
around JohnnyO!


How very true that statement is!. I have also learned from prior 
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Re: [WISPA] Tower Accident

2007-07-11 Thread JohnnyO

Tim . I am not sure what you are referring to ! ! ! ! ! Life Insurance ? 
.. *Dong* - ONSTAR - . can you help me find my boat...

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Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 8:00 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower Accident

Mike Hammett wrote:
A full body hazmat setup is always cheap insurance when you're around 
JohnnyO!

How very true that statement is!. I have also learned from prior 
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Re: [WISPA] Tower Accident

2007-07-11 Thread Tim Wolfe


Mike Hammett wrote:
A full body hazmat setup is always cheap insurance when you're around 
JohnnyO!


How very true that statement is!. I have also learned from prior 
experience that upping your life insurance may not be a bad idea also! ;-)



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Re: [WISPA] Tower Accident

2007-07-10 Thread Mike Hammett

A full body hazmat setup is always cheap insurance when you're around 
JohnnyO!



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Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 10:17 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower Accident


JohnnyO, That suit was just to keep the bugs off. :-)  When you have no 
place to sleep but a cot and the great wide open, the last thing I want to 
be is a snack for all of the Mississippi bugs and critters. I came down 
there to do Katrina relief, NOT to be a buffet for other insects, LOL!. 
(That suit by the way was a full body hazmat setup. I brought it along 
because I had no idea what I was going to be up against? :-\  )


JohnnyO wrote:
I've seen Tim Wolfe dressed in what looked like a space suit :) Shoud 
have gotten him to go up a tower dressed like that and taken pictures !


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- Original Message - From: "Justin S. Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 9:01 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Tower Accident



I did read the post. But as my post said:

"I could not imagine what would happen if it hit him on the head."

"Could not imagine...if"  Were the key words.

Nothing can protect from all scenarios. If so tower climbers would be 
going
up in full body suits with Kevlar. Would look like space men on the 
tower.


Justin

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Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 9:55 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower Accident

If you read the post, the wrench hit the ladder and then bounced into
his face. Even if he had a hard hat on (which I am guessing he did), it
does not protect your face.

Travis
Microserv

Justin S. Wilson wrote:
One of the reasons climbers need to wear hard hats and be 100 percent 
tied
off.  I could not imagine what would happen if it hit him on the head. 
I

have other opinions but OSHA might not like them so I will leave it at

that.




Glad your guy is okay.



Justin



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Zak Wolfinger
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 8:41 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Tower Accident



Hi Folks,

We had what turned out to be a minor tower accident involving one of 
our

tower climbers.

It appears that he had attached a wrench to the wrong carabiner on 
another
climbers harness.  When climber #2 detached the carabiner, the wrench 
fell
without his knowledge.  Climber #2  was up to 50' above Climber #1 at 
this

time.  The wrench appears to have hit the ladder directly in front of
Climber #1's face and entered end-first into his mouth.  This chipped a
couple of his front teeth, cracked one of his wisdom teeth, and tore a
quarter-sized hole in the soft pallet near the rear of his mouth.  The

tear

required six stitches.

Needless to say, we are quite grateful for the outcome.

This incident underscores the extreme risk that our climbers operate

under.

It also illustrates how a very simple error can have potentially

devastating

consequences.  His  injuries, although quite painful, were not life
threatening.  It could easily have been otherwise.  Had the wrench hit 
his

temple, forehead, or eye socket, it could have resulted in blindness or

even

death.

Our hats go off to all of the brave guys who operate in this 
environment.


May God bless you all.








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Re: [WISPA] Tower Accident

2007-07-10 Thread Tim Wolfe

JohnnyO, That suit was just to keep the bugs off. :-)  When you have no 
place to sleep but a cot and the great wide open, the last thing I want 
to be is a snack for all of the Mississippi bugs and critters. I came 
down there to do Katrina relief, NOT to be a buffet for other insects, 
LOL!. (That suit by the way was a full body hazmat setup. I brought it 
along because I had no idea what I was going to be up against? :-\  )


JohnnyO wrote:
I've seen Tim Wolfe dressed in what looked like a space suit :) Shoud 
have gotten him to go up a tower dressed like that and taken pictures !


CampWTF Founding Member :)

JohnnyO
- Original Message - From: "Justin S. Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 9:01 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Tower Accident



I did read the post. But as my post said:

"I could not imagine what would happen if it hit him on the head."

"Could not imagine...if"  Were the key words.

Nothing can protect from all scenarios. If so tower climbers would be 
going
up in full body suits with Kevlar. Would look like space men on the 
tower.


Justin

---
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WEB: http://www.mtin.net
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WEB: http://www.findfastinternet.com


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 9:55 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower Accident

If you read the post, the wrench hit the ladder and then bounced into
his face. Even if he had a hard hat on (which I am guessing he did), it
does not protect your face.

Travis
Microserv

Justin S. Wilson wrote:
One of the reasons climbers need to wear hard hats and be 100 
percent tied
off.  I could not imagine what would happen if it hit him on the 
head. I

have other opinions but OSHA might not like them so I will leave it at

that.




Glad your guy is okay.



Justin



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Zak Wolfinger
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 8:41 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Tower Accident



Hi Folks,

We had what turned out to be a minor tower accident involving one of 
our

tower climbers.

It appears that he had attached a wrench to the wrong carabiner on 
another
climbers harness.  When climber #2 detached the carabiner, the 
wrench fell
without his knowledge.  Climber #2  was up to 50' above Climber #1 
at this

time.  The wrench appears to have hit the ladder directly in front of
Climber #1's face and entered end-first into his mouth.  This chipped a
couple of his front teeth, cracked one of his wisdom teeth, and tore a
quarter-sized hole in the soft pallet near the rear of his mouth.  The

tear

required six stitches.

Needless to say, we are quite grateful for the outcome.

This incident underscores the extreme risk that our climbers operate

under.

It also illustrates how a very simple error can have potentially

devastating

consequences.  His  injuries, although quite painful, were not life
threatening.  It could easily have been otherwise.  Had the wrench 
hit his

temple, forehead, or eye socket, it could have resulted in blindness or

even

death.

Our hats go off to all of the brave guys who operate in this 
environment.


May God bless you all.




 



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Re: [WISPA] Tower Accident

2007-07-10 Thread JohnnyO

I've seen Tim Wolfe dressed in what looked like a space suit :) Shoud have 
gotten him to go up a tower dressed like that and taken pictures !


CampWTF Founding Member :)

JohnnyO
- Original Message - 
From: "Justin S. Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 9:01 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Tower Accident



I did read the post. But as my post said:

"I could not imagine what would happen if it hit him on the head."

"Could not imagine...if"  Were the key words.

Nothing can protect from all scenarios. If so tower climbers would be 
going

up in full body suits with Kevlar. Would look like space men on the tower.

Justin

---
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 9:55 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower Accident

If you read the post, the wrench hit the ladder and then bounced into
his face. Even if he had a hard hat on (which I am guessing he did), it
does not protect your face.

Travis
Microserv

Justin S. Wilson wrote:
One of the reasons climbers need to wear hard hats and be 100 percent 
tied
off.  I could not imagine what would happen if it hit him on the head. 
I

have other opinions but OSHA might not like them so I will leave it at

that.




Glad your guy is okay.



Justin



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Zak Wolfinger
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 8:41 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Tower Accident



Hi Folks,

We had what turned out to be a minor tower accident involving one of our
tower climbers.

It appears that he had attached a wrench to the wrong carabiner on 
another
climbers harness.  When climber #2 detached the carabiner, the wrench 
fell
without his knowledge.  Climber #2  was up to 50' above Climber #1 at 
this

time.  The wrench appears to have hit the ladder directly in front of
Climber #1's face and entered end-first into his mouth.  This chipped a
couple of his front teeth, cracked one of his wisdom teeth, and tore a
quarter-sized hole in the soft pallet near the rear of his mouth.  The

tear

required six stitches.

Needless to say, we are quite grateful for the outcome.

This incident underscores the extreme risk that our climbers operate

under.

It also illustrates how a very simple error can have potentially

devastating

consequences.  His  injuries, although quite painful, were not life
threatening.  It could easily have been otherwise.  Had the wrench hit 
his

temple, forehead, or eye socket, it could have resulted in blindness or

even

death.

Our hats go off to all of the brave guys who operate in this environment.

May God bless you all.








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RE: [WISPA] Tower Accident

2007-07-10 Thread Justin S. Wilson

I did read the post. But as my post said:

"I could not imagine what would happen if it hit him on the head."

"Could not imagine...if"  Were the key words.

Nothing can protect from all scenarios. If so tower climbers would be going
up in full body suits with Kevlar. Would look like space men on the tower.

Justin

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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 9:55 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower Accident

If you read the post, the wrench hit the ladder and then bounced into 
his face. Even if he had a hard hat on (which I am guessing he did), it 
does not protect your face.

Travis
Microserv

Justin S. Wilson wrote:
> One of the reasons climbers need to wear hard hats and be 100 percent tied
> off.  I could not imagine what would happen if it hit him on the head.   I
> have other opinions but OSHA might not like them so I will leave it at
that.
>
>  
>
> Glad your guy is okay.
>
>  
>
> Justin
>
>  
>
> ---
>
> Justin S. Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> Technology Services - WISP Consulting - Tower Services
>
> WEB: http://www.mtin.net
>
> WEB: http://www.metrospan.net
>
> WEB: http://www.findfastinternet.com
>
>  
>
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Zak Wolfinger
> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 8:41 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] Tower Accident
>
>  
>
> Hi Folks, 
>
> We had what turned out to be a minor tower accident involving one of our
> tower climbers.
>
> It appears that he had attached a wrench to the wrong carabiner on another
> climbers harness.  When climber #2 detached the carabiner, the wrench fell
> without his knowledge.  Climber #2  was up to 50' above Climber #1 at this
> time.  The wrench appears to have hit the ladder directly in front of
> Climber #1's face and entered end-first into his mouth.  This chipped a
> couple of his front teeth, cracked one of his wisdom teeth, and tore a
> quarter-sized hole in the soft pallet near the rear of his mouth.  The
tear
> required six stitches.
>
> Needless to say, we are quite grateful for the outcome. 
>
> This incident underscores the extreme risk that our climbers operate
under.
> It also illustrates how a very simple error can have potentially
devastating
> consequences.  His  injuries, although quite painful, were not life
> threatening.  It could easily have been otherwise.  Had the wrench hit his
> temple, forehead, or eye socket, it could have resulted in blindness or
even
> death.
>
> Our hats go off to all of the brave guys who operate in this environment.
>
> May God bless you all.
>
>  
>
>


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Re: [WISPA] Tower Accident

2007-07-10 Thread Travis Johnson

If you read the post, the wrench hit the ladder and then bounced into 
his face. Even if he had a hard hat on (which I am guessing he did), it 
does not protect your face.


Travis
Microserv

Justin S. Wilson wrote:

One of the reasons climbers need to wear hard hats and be 100 percent tied
off.  I could not imagine what would happen if it hit him on the head.   I
have other opinions but OSHA might not like them so I will leave it at that.

 


Glad your guy is okay.

 


Justin

 


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Zak Wolfinger
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 8:41 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Tower Accident

 

Hi Folks, 


We had what turned out to be a minor tower accident involving one of our
tower climbers.

It appears that he had attached a wrench to the wrong carabiner on another
climbers harness.  When climber #2 detached the carabiner, the wrench fell
without his knowledge.  Climber #2  was up to 50' above Climber #1 at this
time.  The wrench appears to have hit the ladder directly in front of
Climber #1's face and entered end-first into his mouth.  This chipped a
couple of his front teeth, cracked one of his wisdom teeth, and tore a
quarter-sized hole in the soft pallet near the rear of his mouth.  The tear
required six stitches.

Needless to say, we are quite grateful for the outcome. 


This incident underscores the extreme risk that our climbers operate under.
It also illustrates how a very simple error can have potentially devastating
consequences.  His  injuries, although quite painful, were not life
threatening.  It could easily have been otherwise.  Had the wrench hit his
temple, forehead, or eye socket, it could have resulted in blindness or even
death.

Our hats go off to all of the brave guys who operate in this environment.

May God bless you all.

 



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RE: [WISPA] Tower Accident

2007-07-10 Thread Justin S. Wilson

One of the reasons climbers need to wear hard hats and be 100 percent tied
off.  I could not imagine what would happen if it hit him on the head.   I
have other opinions but OSHA might not like them so I will leave it at that.

 

Glad your guy is okay.

 

Justin

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Zak Wolfinger
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 8:41 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Tower Accident

 

Hi Folks, 

We had what turned out to be a minor tower accident involving one of our
tower climbers.

It appears that he had attached a wrench to the wrong carabiner on another
climbers harness.  When climber #2 detached the carabiner, the wrench fell
without his knowledge.  Climber #2  was up to 50' above Climber #1 at this
time.  The wrench appears to have hit the ladder directly in front of
Climber #1's face and entered end-first into his mouth.  This chipped a
couple of his front teeth, cracked one of his wisdom teeth, and tore a
quarter-sized hole in the soft pallet near the rear of his mouth.  The tear
required six stitches.

Needless to say, we are quite grateful for the outcome. 

This incident underscores the extreme risk that our climbers operate under.
It also illustrates how a very simple error can have potentially devastating
consequences.  His  injuries, although quite painful, were not life
threatening.  It could easily have been otherwise.  Had the wrench hit his
temple, forehead, or eye socket, it could have resulted in blindness or even
death.

Our hats go off to all of the brave guys who operate in this environment.

May God bless you all.

 


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[WISPA] Tower Accident

2007-07-10 Thread Zak Wolfinger







Hi Folks, 
We had what turned out to
be a minor
tower accident involving one of our tower climbers.

It appears that he had
attached a wrench to the wrong carabiner
on another climbers harness.  When climber #2 detached the carabiner,
the wrench
fell without his knowledge.  Climber #2  was up to 50’ above Climber #1
at
this time.  The wrench appears to have hit the ladder directly in front
of Climber #1's face and entered end-first into his mouth.  This
chipped
a couple of his front teeth, cracked one of his wisdom teeth, and tore
a
quarter-sized hole in the soft pallet near the rear of his mouth.  The
tear required six stitches.
Needless to say, we are
quite grateful for the outcome. 
This incident underscores
the extreme risk that our climbers
operate under.  It also illustrates how a very simple error can have
potentially devastating consequences.  His  injuries, although
quite painful, were not life threatening.  It could easily have been
otherwise.  Had the wrench hit his temple, forehead, or eye socket, it
could have resulted in blindness or even death.
Our hats go off to all of
the brave guys who operate in this
environment.
May God bless you all.






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