Re: [WISPA] 700 mhz Public Safety State License
Butch, On the airspan thing I would agree on the pricing is a bit more reasonable. On their unlicensed product, it still seems quite a bit expensive. ( wipll and wimax ) . The thing we found in testing waveIP is while it is a decent Amount of throughput, the channel size is a nightmare and brings to mind Scaleablity issues. With airspan in 700, a single base station can support around 400 customers @ 1mb/s, because the channel size is only 1.33mhz. Still its a hopper so Frequency reuse is limited. - Jeff On 5/24/06 7:02 PM, "Butch Evans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 23 May 2006, jeffrey thomas wrote: > >> Actually, on the Ap Side Airspan is around 5000.00 and 400 or so >> for the CPE. > > It was about a year ago that I got pricing on these. This is a much > more competitive price model than what I was quoted back then. At > that price, they would be a viable option for certain business > models. The only drawback to them is the bandwidth (4.5 Mbps air > rate). Their MAC allows for several users to share this bandwidth > fairly, however. Airspan is a pretty good choice in this market. > > To be fair, I think the WaveIP product performed reasonably well in > our testing, too. There's a little more bandwidth available over > the air (I think it is 9Mbps) and there is an option for a full > duplex link with this gear. In our testing, we had significant > issues with WaveIP early on, but once the problem was found (that's > a story for another time), the gear performed very well. At least > that's what I am told. The problem was found and resolved after I > left BPS, so I never got 100% of the details of the final analysis. > I'd not hesitate to recommend this gear either. > > The only real drawback to either of these (and very likely others in > this market) is that the NMS for both of them (this includes the > configuration utilities) requires Windows. For a network that does > not use any Windows servers (I would assume all the GOOD networks > are in this boat :-), this would require a dedicated server just to > configure your gear. My requests for a telnet or http interface > fell on deaf ears (for both of them). SIGH. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 700 mhz Public Safety State License
On Tue, 23 May 2006, jeffrey thomas wrote: Actually, on the Ap Side Airspan is around 5000.00 and 400 or so for the CPE. It was about a year ago that I got pricing on these. This is a much more competitive price model than what I was quoted back then. At that price, they would be a viable option for certain business models. The only drawback to them is the bandwidth (4.5 Mbps air rate). Their MAC allows for several users to share this bandwidth fairly, however. Airspan is a pretty good choice in this market. To be fair, I think the WaveIP product performed reasonably well in our testing, too. There's a little more bandwidth available over the air (I think it is 9Mbps) and there is an option for a full duplex link with this gear. In our testing, we had significant issues with WaveIP early on, but once the problem was found (that's a story for another time), the gear performed very well. At least that's what I am told. The problem was found and resolved after I left BPS, so I never got 100% of the details of the final analysis. I'd not hesitate to recommend this gear either. The only real drawback to either of these (and very likely others in this market) is that the NMS for both of them (this includes the configuration utilities) requires Windows. For a network that does not use any Windows servers (I would assume all the GOOD networks are in this boat :-), this would require a dedicated server just to configure your gear. My requests for a telnet or http interface fell on deaf ears (for both of them). SIGH. -- Butch Evans Network Engineering and Security Consulting http://www.butchevans.com/ Mikrotik Certified Consultant (http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html) -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 700 mhz Public Safety State License
www.airmatrix.com On Tue, 23 May 2006 09:25:51 -0700, "Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > So where is my danged wifi cpe that can keep a list of 36 ap's and is > smart > enough to switch between them automatically? > > sheesh I could have sold thousands of these over the 2 years since > I've > asked for that product! > > Marlon > (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales > (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services > 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! > 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) > www.odessaoffice.com/wireless > www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam > > > > - Original Message - > From: "Brad Larson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "'WISPA General List'" > Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 8:01 AM > Subject: RE: [WISPA] 700 mhz Public Safety State License > > > > Most of these muni projects are basing the 700 Mhz on the public safety > > band > > that is not yet available. High speed roaming is the application not > > broadband. I know the Wimax Forum is at least looking at the band for "e" > > which fits the mold. Every public safety entity I have talked with in the > > last 2 months does not want a proprietary approach. They want standards > > based gear. Brad > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Butch Evans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 9:43 AM > > To: WISPA General List > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] 700 mhz Public Safety State License > > > > On Tue, 23 May 2006, Jon Langeler wrote: > > > >>If your looking for equipment manufacturers, you'll be looking at > >>companies like IPwireless, Flarion, etc... Typically $50-100K per > >>base station/sector deployment... > > > > WaveIP and Airspan both have gear in the 700MHz band. WaveIP is > > around $1500 for AP and $500-700 for CPE (I don't recall). Airspan > > is about $8k for the AP (if I recall correctly) and a little under > > $500 per CPE. Both of these would be a good choice. > > > > -- > > Butch Evans > > Network Engineering and Security Consulting > > http://www.butchevans.com/ > > Mikrotik Certified Consultant > > (http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html) > > -- > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by > > PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer > > viruses. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by > > PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer > > viruses. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 700 mhz Public Safety State License
Actually, on the Ap Side Airspan is around 5000.00 and 400 or so for the CPE. - Jeff On Tue, 23 May 2006 08:43:29 -0500 (CDT), "Butch Evans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Tue, 23 May 2006, Jon Langeler wrote: > > >If your looking for equipment manufacturers, you'll be looking at > >companies like IPwireless, Flarion, etc... Typically $50-100K per > >base station/sector deployment... > > WaveIP and Airspan both have gear in the 700MHz band. WaveIP is > around $1500 for AP and $500-700 for CPE (I don't recall). Airspan > is about $8k for the AP (if I recall correctly) and a little under > $500 per CPE. Both of these would be a good choice. > > -- > Butch Evans > Network Engineering and Security Consulting > http://www.butchevans.com/ > Mikrotik Certified Consultant > (http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html) > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 700 mhz Public Safety State License
So where is my danged wifi cpe that can keep a list of 36 ap's and is smart enough to switch between them automatically? sheesh I could have sold thousands of these over the 2 years since I've asked for that product! Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: "Brad Larson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 8:01 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] 700 mhz Public Safety State License Most of these muni projects are basing the 700 Mhz on the public safety band that is not yet available. High speed roaming is the application not broadband. I know the Wimax Forum is at least looking at the band for "e" which fits the mold. Every public safety entity I have talked with in the last 2 months does not want a proprietary approach. They want standards based gear. Brad -Original Message- From: Butch Evans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 9:43 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 700 mhz Public Safety State License On Tue, 23 May 2006, Jon Langeler wrote: If your looking for equipment manufacturers, you'll be looking at companies like IPwireless, Flarion, etc... Typically $50-100K per base station/sector deployment... WaveIP and Airspan both have gear in the 700MHz band. WaveIP is around $1500 for AP and $500-700 for CPE (I don't recall). Airspan is about $8k for the AP (if I recall correctly) and a little under $500 per CPE. Both of these would be a good choice. -- Butch Evans Network Engineering and Security Consulting http://www.butchevans.com/ Mikrotik Certified Consultant (http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html) -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer viruses. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer viruses. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] 700 mhz Public Safety State License
Most of these muni projects are basing the 700 Mhz on the public safety band that is not yet available. High speed roaming is the application not broadband. I know the Wimax Forum is at least looking at the band for "e" which fits the mold. Every public safety entity I have talked with in the last 2 months does not want a proprietary approach. They want standards based gear. Brad -Original Message- From: Butch Evans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 9:43 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 700 mhz Public Safety State License On Tue, 23 May 2006, Jon Langeler wrote: >If your looking for equipment manufacturers, you'll be looking at >companies like IPwireless, Flarion, etc... Typically $50-100K per >base station/sector deployment... WaveIP and Airspan both have gear in the 700MHz band. WaveIP is around $1500 for AP and $500-700 for CPE (I don't recall). Airspan is about $8k for the AP (if I recall correctly) and a little under $500 per CPE. Both of these would be a good choice. -- Butch Evans Network Engineering and Security Consulting http://www.butchevans.com/ Mikrotik Certified Consultant (http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html) -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer viruses. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer viruses. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 700 mhz Public Safety State License
On Tue, 23 May 2006, Jon Langeler wrote: If your looking for equipment manufacturers, you'll be looking at companies like IPwireless, Flarion, etc... Typically $50-100K per base station/sector deployment... WaveIP and Airspan both have gear in the 700MHz band. WaveIP is around $1500 for AP and $500-700 for CPE (I don't recall). Airspan is about $8k for the AP (if I recall correctly) and a little under $500 per CPE. Both of these would be a good choice. -- Butch Evans Network Engineering and Security Consulting http://www.butchevans.com/ Mikrotik Certified Consultant (http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html) -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 700 mhz Public Safety State License
If your looking for equipment manufacturers, you'll be looking at companies like IPwireless, Flarion, etc... Typically $50-100K per base station/sector deployment... Jon Langeler Michwave Tech. Gino A. Villarini wrote: Gino A. Villarini Hello, The local government holds a license for 700 mhz publi c safety with 2 12 mhz channels, anyone have any pointers on how to develop a network on such frequencies? Anyone knows of federal funds available for such endeavor ? Homeland Security funding ? [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
