Re: [WISPA] Intro/Karlnet/YDI/Terabeam/Proxim/Turbocell
I'd like to add, that US manufacturers are required by law to offer replacement parts for their products for a minimum of 10 years. Maybe it also applies to software? Its also possible that even through a bankruptcy, the liabilty to maintain that support may have been assumed when buying the product. I'm not a lawyer, but there may be some legal basis requiring Proxim to continue to provide the software to its client base. For example, software could be considered a spare part of the actual router device. I was just wondering if there has been any legal action from anyone, forcing Proxim to continue offering its product on a limited basis, apposed to them just doing it out of their own good will or experiemnt on if its profitable for them to do so. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Rick Harnish" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 2:14 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Intro/Karlnet/YDI/Terabeam/Proxim/Turbocell I am in the understanding that we will be able to purchase licenses for Turbocell for some time but that support and upgrades will not be available. I will not make any statements as to how long this will last. We currently put our CPE's together using ARC Wireless 19 dbi panels, WRAP Boards, POE, Power Supply, Hermes II mini-pci cards, 64 Mb Compact Flash, and a license (SV-4100-H) Total cost of these excluding labor is about $320. We are not building new Turbocell networks! We are only adding clients to existing Turbocell networks and continue to build out mini-cells with Star-OS and WRAP boards in a Hotspot format. I don't know that you have much choice for Turbocell CPE other than build your own. Thanks, Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband & Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Office 260-307-4000 Cell 260-918-4340 VoIP www.oibw.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 9:14 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Intro/Karlnet/YDI/Terabeam/Proxim/Turbocell Thanks Rick.. I've heard alot about these WRAP boards. Is this something we would put together ourselves or are there products available. What are the costs like? I guess I'd really be interested in what I should be doing for CPE going on, assuming we can still get the Turbocell licenses (see post from Blair Davis re: Winncomm continuing to be able to sell Turbocell licenses). Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 325 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.uwol.net - Original Message - From: "Rick Harnish" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 9:25 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Intro/Karlnet/YDI/Terabeam/Proxim/Turbocell Mark, Contact me offlist as we are successfully deploying WRAP boards with Compact Flash loaded with Turbocell. My pains are compounded about 4 times as I had about 24 Turbocell POPs when this all started. Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband & Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Office 260-307-4000 Cell 260-918-4340 VoIP www.oibw.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 12:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Intro/Karlnet/YDI/Terabeam/Proxim/Turbocell Hello to the list... My name is Mark Nash and I own & operate a little WISP of about 300 customers in Oregon. For CPE, I started out using Breezecom 2.4GHz FH radios then switched to Karlnet RSU's loaded w/Turbocell. Then the YDI/Terabeam/Proxim series of mergers & acquisitions happened and I've got products from all companies but they are all Turbocell CPE. We have 6 WiPops surrounding our customer base (rural southern Willamette Valley). We're using Trango backhauls...I started out using them simply because of their low cost and advertised bandwidth. I still have two in use from when the company was called Sunstream (I think it was 2002). I remain happy about that decision. We started out with a bridged network then ARP changed my tune and we went to a routed design. OK, so...there it is. For those of you who know what's going on with Turbocell from the new Proxim, you probably know that I'm not happy as they have set out to discontinue the Turbocell client software. So I will soon have to purchase new AP's and shift some customers around because I won't be able to purchase Turbocell-based devices. That's the word from Proxim. So...anyone heard any differently? I've also asked Proxim if we can 'downgrade' our Turbocell products to 802.11b and they are saying 'no'. I
RE: [WISPA] Intro/Karlnet/YDI/Terabeam/Proxim/Turbocell
Yeah, I still can imagine why there are some wips still homebrewing gear that ends up more expensive that wisp-engineered products on the market like canopy, trango ect... We were in a same spot with some 11b gear deployed in some areas... last august we decided to just cough up some cash and change all those subs (100+) to Canopy best money spent, never looked back Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of A. Huppenthal Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 1:44 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Intro/Karlnet/YDI/Terabeam/Proxim/Turbocell Go get some Canopy client radios for $260 each, complete - check the performance, ease to install and setup. We did homebrew for quite a while and it has its downside as we're seeing. Just my opinion. You get a nice spectrum analyzer built-in, 2 minute setup, 2 minute test once its placed. Audible signal strength - no pc needed on the ladder. There are lots of solutions. 5.2 / 5.7 ghz Moto stuff runs thousands of subscribers. I'm not affliated with Moto/Canopy and don't ask me to sell you anything. Best wishes. Mark Nash wrote: > Thanks Rick.. I've heard alot about these WRAP boards. Is this > something we would put together ourselves or are there products > available. What are the costs like? I guess I'd really be interested > in what I should be doing for CPE going on, assuming we can still get > the Turbocell licenses (see post from Blair Davis re: Winncomm > continuing to be able to sell Turbocell licenses). > > Mark Nash > Network Engineer > UnwiredOnline.Net > 325 Holly Street > Junction City, OR 97448 > 541-998- > 541-998-5599 fax > http://www.uwol.net > - Original Message - From: "Rick Harnish" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "'WISPA General List'" > Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 9:25 AM > Subject: RE: [WISPA] Intro/Karlnet/YDI/Terabeam/Proxim/Turbocell > > >> Mark, >> >> Contact me offlist as we are successfully deploying WRAP boards with >> Compact >> Flash loaded with Turbocell. My pains are compounded about 4 times >> as I had >> about 24 Turbocell POPs when this all started. >> >> Rick Harnish >> President >> OnlyInternet Broadband & Wireless, Inc. >> 260-827-2482 Office >> 260-307-4000 Cell >> 260-918-4340 VoIP >> www.oibw.net >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >> Behalf Of Mark Nash >> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 12:01 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: [WISPA] Intro/Karlnet/YDI/Terabeam/Proxim/Turbocell >> >> Hello to the list... >> >> My name is Mark Nash and I own & operate a little WISP of about 300 >> customers in Oregon. >> >> For CPE, I started out using Breezecom 2.4GHz FH radios then switched to >> Karlnet RSU's loaded w/Turbocell. Then the YDI/Terabeam/Proxim >> series of >> mergers & acquisitions happened and I've got products from all >> companies but >> >> they are all Turbocell CPE. >> >> We have 6 WiPops surrounding our customer base (rural southern >> Willamette >> Valley). We're using Trango backhauls...I started out using them simply >> because of their low cost and advertised bandwidth. I still have two >> in use >> >> from when the company was called Sunstream (I think it was 2002). I >> remain >> happy about that decision. >> >> We started out with a bridged network then ARP changed my tune and we >> went >> to a routed design. >> >> OK, so...there it is. For those of you who know what's going on with >> Turbocell from the new Proxim, you probably know that I'm not happy >> as they >> have set out to discontinue the Turbocell client software. So I will >> soon >> have to purchase new AP's and shift some customers around because I >> won't be >> >> able to purchase Turbocell-based devices. That's the word from Proxim. >> So...anyone heard any differently? I've also asked Proxim if we can >> 'downgrade' our Turbocell products to 802.11b and they are saying 'no'. >> >> It's a you-know-what sandwich from which I'd rather not take a bite. >> >> Does anyone feel my pain? Any way around these issues aside from >> replacing >> CPE? >> >> Regards, >> >> Mar
Re: [WISPA] Intro/Karlnet/YDI/Terabeam/Proxim/Turbocell
Go get some Canopy client radios for $260 each, complete - check the performance, ease to install and setup. We did homebrew for quite a while and it has its downside as we're seeing. Just my opinion. You get a nice spectrum analyzer built-in, 2 minute setup, 2 minute test once its placed. Audible signal strength - no pc needed on the ladder. There are lots of solutions. 5.2 / 5.7 ghz Moto stuff runs thousands of subscribers. I'm not affliated with Moto/Canopy and don't ask me to sell you anything. Best wishes. Mark Nash wrote: Thanks Rick.. I've heard alot about these WRAP boards. Is this something we would put together ourselves or are there products available. What are the costs like? I guess I'd really be interested in what I should be doing for CPE going on, assuming we can still get the Turbocell licenses (see post from Blair Davis re: Winncomm continuing to be able to sell Turbocell licenses). Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 325 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.uwol.net - Original Message - From: "Rick Harnish" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 9:25 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Intro/Karlnet/YDI/Terabeam/Proxim/Turbocell Mark, Contact me offlist as we are successfully deploying WRAP boards with Compact Flash loaded with Turbocell. My pains are compounded about 4 times as I had about 24 Turbocell POPs when this all started. Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband & Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Office 260-307-4000 Cell 260-918-4340 VoIP www.oibw.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 12:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Intro/Karlnet/YDI/Terabeam/Proxim/Turbocell Hello to the list... My name is Mark Nash and I own & operate a little WISP of about 300 customers in Oregon. For CPE, I started out using Breezecom 2.4GHz FH radios then switched to Karlnet RSU's loaded w/Turbocell. Then the YDI/Terabeam/Proxim series of mergers & acquisitions happened and I've got products from all companies but they are all Turbocell CPE. We have 6 WiPops surrounding our customer base (rural southern Willamette Valley). We're using Trango backhauls...I started out using them simply because of their low cost and advertised bandwidth. I still have two in use from when the company was called Sunstream (I think it was 2002). I remain happy about that decision. We started out with a bridged network then ARP changed my tune and we went to a routed design. OK, so...there it is. For those of you who know what's going on with Turbocell from the new Proxim, you probably know that I'm not happy as they have set out to discontinue the Turbocell client software. So I will soon have to purchase new AP's and shift some customers around because I won't be able to purchase Turbocell-based devices. That's the word from Proxim. So...anyone heard any differently? I've also asked Proxim if we can 'downgrade' our Turbocell products to 802.11b and they are saying 'no'. It's a you-know-what sandwich from which I'd rather not take a bite. Does anyone feel my pain? Any way around these issues aside from replacing CPE? Regards, Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 325 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Intro/Karlnet/YDI/Terabeam/Proxim/Turbocell
Support and upgrades died when terrorbeam closed the Ohio office. We have been on our own since they fired Reg. Rick Harnish wrote: I am in the understanding that we will be able to purchase licenses for Turbocell for some time but that support and upgrades will not be available. I will not make any statements as to how long this will last. We currently put our CPE's together using ARC Wireless 19 dbi panels, WRAP Boards, POE, Power Supply, Hermes II mini-pci cards, 64 Mb Compact Flash, and a license (SV-4100-H) Total cost of these excluding labor is about $320. We are not building new Turbocell networks! We are only adding clients to existing Turbocell networks and continue to build out mini-cells with Star-OS and WRAP boards in a Hotspot format. I don't know that you have much choice for Turbocell CPE other than build your own. Thanks, Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband & Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Office 260-307-4000 Cell 260-918-4340 VoIP www.oibw.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 9:14 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Intro/Karlnet/YDI/Terabeam/Proxim/Turbocell Thanks Rick.. I've heard alot about these WRAP boards. Is this something we would put together ourselves or are there products available. What are the costs like? I guess I'd really be interested in what I should be doing for CPE going on, assuming we can still get the Turbocell licenses (see post from Blair Davis re: Winncomm continuing to be able to sell Turbocell licenses). Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 325 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.uwol.net - Original Message - From: "Rick Harnish" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 9:25 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Intro/Karlnet/YDI/Terabeam/Proxim/Turbocell Mark, Contact me offlist as we are successfully deploying WRAP boards with Compact Flash loaded with Turbocell. My pains are compounded about 4 times as I had about 24 Turbocell POPs when this all started. Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband & Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Office 260-307-4000 Cell 260-918-4340 VoIP www.oibw.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 12:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Intro/Karlnet/YDI/Terabeam/Proxim/Turbocell Hello to the list... My name is Mark Nash and I own & operate a little WISP of about 300 customers in Oregon. For CPE, I started out using Breezecom 2.4GHz FH radios then switched to Karlnet RSU's loaded w/Turbocell. Then the YDI/Terabeam/Proxim series of mergers & acquisitions happened and I've got products from all companies but they are all Turbocell CPE. We have 6 WiPops surrounding our customer base (rural southern Willamette Valley). We're using Trango backhauls...I started out using them simply because of their low cost and advertised bandwidth. I still have two in use from when the company was called Sunstream (I think it was 2002). I remain happy about that decision. We started out with a bridged network then ARP changed my tune and we went to a routed design. OK, so...there it is. For those of you who know what's going on with Turbocell from the new Proxim, you probably know that I'm not happy as they have set out to discontinue the Turbocell client software. So I will soon have to purchase new AP's and shift some customers around because I won't be able to purchase Turbocell-based devices. That's the word from Proxim. So...anyone heard any differently? I've also asked Proxim if we can 'downgrade' our Turbocell products to 802.11b and they are saying 'no'. It's a you-know-what sandwich from which I'd rather not take a bite. Does anyone feel my pain? Any way around these issues aside from replacing CPE? Regards, Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 325 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 A division of: Camp Communication Services, INC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Intro/Karlnet/YDI/Terabeam/Proxim/Turbocell
I am in the understanding that we will be able to purchase licenses for Turbocell for some time but that support and upgrades will not be available. I will not make any statements as to how long this will last. We currently put our CPE's together using ARC Wireless 19 dbi panels, WRAP Boards, POE, Power Supply, Hermes II mini-pci cards, 64 Mb Compact Flash, and a license (SV-4100-H) Total cost of these excluding labor is about $320. We are not building new Turbocell networks! We are only adding clients to existing Turbocell networks and continue to build out mini-cells with Star-OS and WRAP boards in a Hotspot format. I don't know that you have much choice for Turbocell CPE other than build your own. Thanks, Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband & Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Office 260-307-4000 Cell 260-918-4340 VoIP www.oibw.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 9:14 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Intro/Karlnet/YDI/Terabeam/Proxim/Turbocell Thanks Rick.. I've heard alot about these WRAP boards. Is this something we would put together ourselves or are there products available. What are the costs like? I guess I'd really be interested in what I should be doing for CPE going on, assuming we can still get the Turbocell licenses (see post from Blair Davis re: Winncomm continuing to be able to sell Turbocell licenses). Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 325 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.uwol.net - Original Message - From: "Rick Harnish" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 9:25 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Intro/Karlnet/YDI/Terabeam/Proxim/Turbocell > Mark, > > Contact me offlist as we are successfully deploying WRAP boards with > Compact > Flash loaded with Turbocell. My pains are compounded about 4 times as I > had > about 24 Turbocell POPs when this all started. > > Rick Harnish > President > OnlyInternet Broadband & Wireless, Inc. > 260-827-2482 Office > 260-307-4000 Cell > 260-918-4340 VoIP > www.oibw.net > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Mark Nash > Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 12:01 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: [WISPA] Intro/Karlnet/YDI/Terabeam/Proxim/Turbocell > > Hello to the list... > > My name is Mark Nash and I own & operate a little WISP of about 300 > customers in Oregon. > > For CPE, I started out using Breezecom 2.4GHz FH radios then switched to > Karlnet RSU's loaded w/Turbocell. Then the YDI/Terabeam/Proxim series of > mergers & acquisitions happened and I've got products from all companies > but > > they are all Turbocell CPE. > > We have 6 WiPops surrounding our customer base (rural southern Willamette > Valley). We're using Trango backhauls...I started out using them simply > because of their low cost and advertised bandwidth. I still have two in > use > > from when the company was called Sunstream (I think it was 2002). I > remain > happy about that decision. > > We started out with a bridged network then ARP changed my tune and we went > to a routed design. > > OK, so...there it is. For those of you who know what's going on with > Turbocell from the new Proxim, you probably know that I'm not happy as > they > have set out to discontinue the Turbocell client software. So I will soon > have to purchase new AP's and shift some customers around because I won't > be > > able to purchase Turbocell-based devices. That's the word from Proxim. > So...anyone heard any differently? I've also asked Proxim if we can > 'downgrade' our Turbocell products to 802.11b and they are saying 'no'. > > It's a you-know-what sandwich from which I'd rather not take a bite. > > Does anyone feel my pain? Any way around these issues aside from > replacing > CPE? > > Regards, > > Mark Nash > Network Engineer > UnwiredOnline.Net > 325 Holly Street > Junction City, OR 97448 > http://www.uwol.net > 541-998- > 541-998-5599 fax > > > > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Intro/Karlnet/YDI/Terabeam/Proxim/Turbocell
Thanks Rick.. I've heard alot about these WRAP boards. Is this something we would put together ourselves or are there products available. What are the costs like? I guess I'd really be interested in what I should be doing for CPE going on, assuming we can still get the Turbocell licenses (see post from Blair Davis re: Winncomm continuing to be able to sell Turbocell licenses). Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 325 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.uwol.net - Original Message - From: "Rick Harnish" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 9:25 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Intro/Karlnet/YDI/Terabeam/Proxim/Turbocell Mark, Contact me offlist as we are successfully deploying WRAP boards with Compact Flash loaded with Turbocell. My pains are compounded about 4 times as I had about 24 Turbocell POPs when this all started. Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband & Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Office 260-307-4000 Cell 260-918-4340 VoIP www.oibw.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 12:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Intro/Karlnet/YDI/Terabeam/Proxim/Turbocell Hello to the list... My name is Mark Nash and I own & operate a little WISP of about 300 customers in Oregon. For CPE, I started out using Breezecom 2.4GHz FH radios then switched to Karlnet RSU's loaded w/Turbocell. Then the YDI/Terabeam/Proxim series of mergers & acquisitions happened and I've got products from all companies but they are all Turbocell CPE. We have 6 WiPops surrounding our customer base (rural southern Willamette Valley). We're using Trango backhauls...I started out using them simply because of their low cost and advertised bandwidth. I still have two in use from when the company was called Sunstream (I think it was 2002). I remain happy about that decision. We started out with a bridged network then ARP changed my tune and we went to a routed design. OK, so...there it is. For those of you who know what's going on with Turbocell from the new Proxim, you probably know that I'm not happy as they have set out to discontinue the Turbocell client software. So I will soon have to purchase new AP's and shift some customers around because I won't be able to purchase Turbocell-based devices. That's the word from Proxim. So...anyone heard any differently? I've also asked Proxim if we can 'downgrade' our Turbocell products to 802.11b and they are saying 'no'. It's a you-know-what sandwich from which I'd rather not take a bite. Does anyone feel my pain? Any way around these issues aside from replacing CPE? Regards, Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 325 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Intro/Karlnet/YDI/Terabeam/Proxim/Turbocell
Follow up: Ken Vasilyev at WinnCom says that the TurboCell licenses are available and should remain available via WinnCom. Software only He told me that WinnCom had complained loudly the last time terrorbeam did this and had gotten sales of the licenses reinstated. He also said that he did not expect terrorbeam to try it again after the bad publicity from the last time Of course, your mileage may vary... Here is a link to the Karlnet mailing list. Not very busy, but you can often get help with TurboCell problems there... http://www2.wbisp.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/karlnet For those who need it, here is Ken's contact info: Ken Vasilyev, Account Manager Winncom Technologies Corp. 30700 Carter Street, Suite A Solon, OH 44139 USA Toll Free: 888 946-6266 Ext.117 Int'l (440) 498-9510 Ext. 117 Fax: (440) 498-9511 Mobile:(216) 269-2186 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Blair Davis wrote: I feel your pain as well. Same deal here. WinnCom is still listing the TurboCell licenses for sale. I will confirm availability as soon as my sales guy gets back from lunch. Rick's WRAP with CF will work as well. However, if the TurboCell licenses are no longer available, I wonder if Rick will be able to continue to produce them? Other possibilities are in the works. Terrorbeam/YDI/Proxim/Karlnet or whoever they are this week annoyed a lot of people with this mishandling of the TurboCell software and hardware. Not to mention the callous way they treated the folks at the Karlnet offices in Ohio. Personally, while I will continue to buy TurboCell licenses as long as they are available, I will never consider any new Terrorbeam/YDI/Proxim/Karlnet products. We are looking toward Netstream on WRAP or RouterBoard as our long term solution. Others have their own choices for software/hardware. Planning on doing each conversion of a tower and client equipment over a weekend, then reclaiming to old TurboCell equipment for other locations on other towers Mark Nash wrote: Hello to the list... My name is Mark Nash and I own & operate a little WISP of about 300 customers in Oregon. For CPE, I started out using Breezecom 2.4GHz FH radios then switched to Karlnet RSU's loaded w/Turbocell. Then the YDI/Terabeam/Proxim series of mergers & acquisitions happened and I've got products from all companies but they are all Turbocell CPE. We have 6 WiPops surrounding our customer base (rural southern Willamette Valley). We're using Trango backhauls...I started out using them simply because of their low cost and advertised bandwidth. I still have two in use from when the company was called Sunstream (I think it was 2002). I remain happy about that decision. We started out with a bridged network then ARP changed my tune and we went to a routed design. OK, so...there it is. For those of you who know what's going on with Turbocell from the new Proxim, you probably know that I'm not happy as they have set out to discontinue the Turbocell client software. So I will soon have to purchase new AP's and shift some customers around because I won't be able to purchase Turbocell-based devices. That's the word from Proxim. So...anyone heard any differently? I've also asked Proxim if we can 'downgrade' our Turbocell products to 802.11b and they are saying 'no'. It's a you-know-what sandwich from which I'd rather not take a bite. Does anyone feel my pain? Any way around these issues aside from replacing CPE? Regards, Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 325 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 A division of: Camp Communication Services, INC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Intro/Karlnet/YDI/Terabeam/Proxim/Turbocell
It is a bad situation all around if you can't support your network as units fail and you can't replace them One of the benefits of the WRAP setup is that you could flash the CF card with new software in the future and not loose your investment Dan > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > Of Blair Davis > Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 1:33 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Intro/Karlnet/YDI/Terabeam/Proxim/Turbocell > > I feel your pain as well. Same deal here. > > WinnCom is still listing the TurboCell licenses for sale. I will > confirm availability as soon as my sales guy gets back from lunch. > > Rick's WRAP with CF will work as well. However, if the TurboCell > licenses are no longer available, I wonder if Rick will be able to > continue to produce them? > > Other possibilities are in the works. > > Terrorbeam/YDI/Proxim/Karlnet or whoever they are this week annoyed a > lot of people with this mishandling of the TurboCell software and > hardware. Not to mention the callous way they treated the folks at the > Karlnet offices in Ohio. > > Personally, while I will continue to buy TurboCell licenses as long as > they are available, I will never consider any new > Terrorbeam/YDI/Proxim/Karlnet products. > > We are looking toward Netstream on WRAP or RouterBoard as our long term > solution. Others have their own choices for software/hardware. > > Planning on doing each conversion of a tower and client equipment over a > weekend, then reclaiming to old TurboCell equipment for other locations > on other towers > > > > Mark Nash wrote: > > > Hello to the list... > > > > My name is Mark Nash and I own & operate a little WISP of about 300 > > customers in Oregon. > > > > For CPE, I started out using Breezecom 2.4GHz FH radios then switched > > to Karlnet RSU's loaded w/Turbocell. Then the YDI/Terabeam/Proxim > > series of mergers & acquisitions happened and I've got products from > > all companies but they are all Turbocell CPE. > > > > We have 6 WiPops surrounding our customer base (rural southern > > Willamette Valley). We're using Trango backhauls...I started out > > using them simply because of their low cost and advertised bandwidth. > > I still have two in use from when the company was called Sunstream (I > > think it was 2002). I remain happy about that decision. > > > > We started out with a bridged network then ARP changed my tune and we > > went to a routed design. > > > > OK, so...there it is. For those of you who know what's going on with > > Turbocell from the new Proxim, you probably know that I'm not happy as > > they have set out to discontinue the Turbocell client software. So I > > will soon have to purchase new AP's and shift some customers around > > because I won't be able to purchase Turbocell-based devices. That's > > the word from Proxim. So...anyone heard any differently? I've also > > asked Proxim if we can 'downgrade' our Turbocell products to 802.11b > > and they are saying 'no'. > > > > It's a you-know-what sandwich from which I'd rather not take a bite. > > > > Does anyone feel my pain? Any way around these issues aside from > > replacing CPE? > > > > Regards, > > > > Mark Nash > > Network Engineer > > UnwiredOnline.Net > > 325 Holly Street > > Junction City, OR 97448 > > http://www.uwol.net > > 541-998- > > 541-998-5599 fax > > > > > > > -- > Blair Davis > > AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 > > West Michigan Wireless ISP > 269-686-8648 > > A division of: > Camp Communication Services, INC > > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/194 - Release Date: 12/07/2005 > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/194 - Release Date: 12/07/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Intro/Karlnet/YDI/Terabeam/Proxim/Turbocell
I feel your pain as well. Same deal here. WinnCom is still listing the TurboCell licenses for sale. I will confirm availability as soon as my sales guy gets back from lunch. Rick's WRAP with CF will work as well. However, if the TurboCell licenses are no longer available, I wonder if Rick will be able to continue to produce them? Other possibilities are in the works. Terrorbeam/YDI/Proxim/Karlnet or whoever they are this week annoyed a lot of people with this mishandling of the TurboCell software and hardware. Not to mention the callous way they treated the folks at the Karlnet offices in Ohio. Personally, while I will continue to buy TurboCell licenses as long as they are available, I will never consider any new Terrorbeam/YDI/Proxim/Karlnet products. We are looking toward Netstream on WRAP or RouterBoard as our long term solution. Others have their own choices for software/hardware. Planning on doing each conversion of a tower and client equipment over a weekend, then reclaiming to old TurboCell equipment for other locations on other towers Mark Nash wrote: Hello to the list... My name is Mark Nash and I own & operate a little WISP of about 300 customers in Oregon. For CPE, I started out using Breezecom 2.4GHz FH radios then switched to Karlnet RSU's loaded w/Turbocell. Then the YDI/Terabeam/Proxim series of mergers & acquisitions happened and I've got products from all companies but they are all Turbocell CPE. We have 6 WiPops surrounding our customer base (rural southern Willamette Valley). We're using Trango backhauls...I started out using them simply because of their low cost and advertised bandwidth. I still have two in use from when the company was called Sunstream (I think it was 2002). I remain happy about that decision. We started out with a bridged network then ARP changed my tune and we went to a routed design. OK, so...there it is. For those of you who know what's going on with Turbocell from the new Proxim, you probably know that I'm not happy as they have set out to discontinue the Turbocell client software. So I will soon have to purchase new AP's and shift some customers around because I won't be able to purchase Turbocell-based devices. That's the word from Proxim. So...anyone heard any differently? I've also asked Proxim if we can 'downgrade' our Turbocell products to 802.11b and they are saying 'no'. It's a you-know-what sandwich from which I'd rather not take a bite. Does anyone feel my pain? Any way around these issues aside from replacing CPE? Regards, Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 325 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 A division of: Camp Communication Services, INC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Intro/Karlnet/YDI/Terabeam/Proxim/Turbocell
Hiya Mark, I'll not tell you what I think of the bind you are being put in Just another reason to steer clear of companies that require license keys. As to what you should do. It won't be fun but it should be possible. Start building another network over the top of this existing one. WiFI based, proprietary, 2.4 or 5 gig, whatever fits the business model. Put all of the new people or repair situations on that new system. 3 or 4 years from now you should have most of the old stuff gone. I had to finally turn off my last 802.11 ap and that blew off 4 or 5 customers that were not running b radios. All but one of them upgraded to the newer faster gear. They weren't all happy about it but I did point out that they'd gotten over 4 years out of a chunk of computer gear! That kinda mollifies them. Naturally you'll have to be very careful with your site planning to avoid as much self inflicted interference as you can. That help? Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: "Mark Nash" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 9:01 AM Subject: [WISPA] Intro/Karlnet/YDI/Terabeam/Proxim/Turbocell Hello to the list... My name is Mark Nash and I own & operate a little WISP of about 300 customers in Oregon. For CPE, I started out using Breezecom 2.4GHz FH radios then switched to Karlnet RSU's loaded w/Turbocell. Then the YDI/Terabeam/Proxim series of mergers & acquisitions happened and I've got products from all companies but they are all Turbocell CPE. We have 6 WiPops surrounding our customer base (rural southern Willamette Valley). We're using Trango backhauls...I started out using them simply because of their low cost and advertised bandwidth. I still have two in use from when the company was called Sunstream (I think it was 2002). I remain happy about that decision. We started out with a bridged network then ARP changed my tune and we went to a routed design. OK, so...there it is. For those of you who know what's going on with Turbocell from the new Proxim, you probably know that I'm not happy as they have set out to discontinue the Turbocell client software. So I will soon have to purchase new AP's and shift some customers around because I won't be able to purchase Turbocell-based devices. That's the word from Proxim. So...anyone heard any differently? I've also asked Proxim if we can 'downgrade' our Turbocell products to 802.11b and they are saying 'no'. It's a you-know-what sandwich from which I'd rather not take a bite. Does anyone feel my pain? Any way around these issues aside from replacing CPE? Regards, Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 325 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Intro/Karlnet/YDI/Terabeam/Proxim/Turbocell
Mark look no further then www.globalwireless-inc.com they sevice all of these radios and continue to make radios to this day with Karlnet/Turbocell software on them. Base, satelite, ptp or multipoint or dual radios, they even repair old Wave Wireless radios. Ydi, karlnet, Terrabeam, Proxim who bought who I don't even know anymore hard to keep up with. Been waiting along time for someone on the list to ask about Karlnet Equipment/ Software. Give John Elliott a call at 1-941-744-2511 he is President Mark Nash <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello to the list...My name is Mark Nash and I own & operate a little WISP of about 300 customers in Oregon.For CPE, I started out using Breezecom 2.4GHz FH radios then switched to Karlnet RSU's loaded w/Turb ocell. Then the YDI/Terabeam/Proxim series of mergers & acquisitions happened and I've got products from all companies but they are all Turbocell CPE.We have 6 WiPops surrounding our customer base (rural southern Willamette Valley). We're using Trango backhauls...I started out using them simply because of their low cost and advertised bandwidth. I still have two in use from when the company was called Sunstream (I think it was 2002). I remain happy about that decision.We started out with a bridged network then ARP changed my tune and we went to a routed design.OK, so...there it is. For those of you who know what's going on with Turbocell from the new Proxim, you probably know that I'm not happy as they have set out to discontinue the Turbocell client software. So I will soon have to purchase new AP's and shift some customers around because I won't be able to purchase Turbocell-based devices. That's the word fro m Proxim. So...anyone heard any differently? I've also asked Proxim if we can 'downgrade' our Turbocell products to 802.11b and they are saying 'no'.It's a you-know-what sandwich from which I'd rather not take a bite.Does anyone feel my pain? Any way around these issues aside from replacing CPE?Regards,Mark NashNetwork EngineerUnwiredOnline.Net325 Holly StreetJunction City, OR 97448http://www.uwol.net541-998-541-998-5599 fax -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Intro/Karlnet/YDI/Terabeam/Proxim/Turbocell
Mark, Contact me offlist as we are successfully deploying WRAP boards with Compact Flash loaded with Turbocell. My pains are compounded about 4 times as I had about 24 Turbocell POPs when this all started. Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband & Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Office 260-307-4000 Cell 260-918-4340 VoIP www.oibw.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 12:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Intro/Karlnet/YDI/Terabeam/Proxim/Turbocell Hello to the list... My name is Mark Nash and I own & operate a little WISP of about 300 customers in Oregon. For CPE, I started out using Breezecom 2.4GHz FH radios then switched to Karlnet RSU's loaded w/Turbocell. Then the YDI/Terabeam/Proxim series of mergers & acquisitions happened and I've got products from all companies but they are all Turbocell CPE. We have 6 WiPops surrounding our customer base (rural southern Willamette Valley). We're using Trango backhauls...I started out using them simply because of their low cost and advertised bandwidth. I still have two in use from when the company was called Sunstream (I think it was 2002). I remain happy about that decision. We started out with a bridged network then ARP changed my tune and we went to a routed design. OK, so...there it is. For those of you who know what's going on with Turbocell from the new Proxim, you probably know that I'm not happy as they have set out to discontinue the Turbocell client software. So I will soon have to purchase new AP's and shift some customers around because I won't be able to purchase Turbocell-based devices. That's the word from Proxim. So...anyone heard any differently? I've also asked Proxim if we can 'downgrade' our Turbocell products to 802.11b and they are saying 'no'. It's a you-know-what sandwich from which I'd rather not take a bite. Does anyone feel my pain? Any way around these issues aside from replacing CPE? Regards, Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 325 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
