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Re: [WISPA] New Stimulus bill Broadband Definitions

2009-02-13 Thread St. Louis Broadband

I have been watching the vote on C-SPAN today and it is incredible.  Most of
the Senate are complaining that they were to receive 48 hours after the
revisions to vote.  My understanding is that the text of the revised bill,
that can be found here:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/01/24/house-stimulus-bill-full_n_160569.htmlis
what they are currently voting on.  There are lots that are complaining that
they have not had time to review, the now, 1000+ page document.

Victoria

On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 2:44 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote:

> Its moving fast... The take on the new "conferance" bill is that 1/3 will
> now go to RUS and 2/3rd to NTIA.
> We are expecting to get the actual text by end of day.
>
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "St. Louis Broadband" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 2:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] New Stimulus bill Broadband Definitions
>
>
> > Tom, not sure where that information is coming from.  I have read Title
> > VI -
> > Broadband Communications.  This is the current text that has just been
> > passed by the House.  Is it buried some where other than that or the RUS
> > portion?
> > Thanks,
> > Victoria
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 1:10 AM, Tom DeReggi
> > wrote:
> >
> >> > I do not understand why this is going under the NTIA umbrella rather
> >> > than
> >> > RUS.  Any ideas on that?
> >> >
> >>
> >> Yes. They didn't want Rural advocates to take all the money.  Plus, RBOC
> >> want all the money for "next generation" fiber to the home, in more
> >> profitable areas to serve than rural.
> >> Also, its a situatiuon where this is a Stimulus Bill to create jobs, not
> >> necessarilly a bill to solve digital divide in Rural America. RUS is
> >> clearly
> >> only Rural focused. Thats my opinion on it.
> >> Whther that is the reason for sure, I do not know.
> >>
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Re: [WISPA] New Stimulus bill Broadband Definitions

2009-02-13 Thread Tom DeReggi

Its moving fast... The take on the new "conferance" bill is that 1/3 will 
now go to RUS and 2/3rd to NTIA.
We are expecting to get the actual text by end of day.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: "St. Louis Broadband" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 2:29 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] New Stimulus bill Broadband Definitions


> Tom, not sure where that information is coming from.  I have read Title 
> VI -
> Broadband Communications.  This is the current text that has just been
> passed by the House.  Is it buried some where other than that or the RUS
> portion?
> Thanks,
> Victoria
>
> On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 1:10 AM, Tom DeReggi 
> wrote:
>
>> > I do not understand why this is going under the NTIA umbrella rather
>> > than
>> > RUS.  Any ideas on that?
>> >
>>
>> Yes. They didn't want Rural advocates to take all the money.  Plus, RBOC
>> want all the money for "next generation" fiber to the home, in more
>> profitable areas to serve than rural.
>> Also, its a situatiuon where this is a Stimulus Bill to create jobs, not
>> necessarilly a bill to solve digital divide in Rural America. RUS is
>> clearly
>> only Rural focused. Thats my opinion on it.
>> Whther that is the reason for sure, I do not know.
>>
>> Tom DeReggi
>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
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Re: [WISPA] New Stimulus bill Broadband Definitions

2009-02-13 Thread St. Louis Broadband

Tom, not sure where that information is coming from.  I have read Title VI -
Broadband Communications.  This is the current text that has just been
passed by the House.  Is it buried some where other than that or the RUS
portion?
Thanks,
Victoria

On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 1:10 AM, Tom DeReggi wrote:

> > I do not understand why this is going under the NTIA umbrella rather
> > than
> > RUS.  Any ideas on that?
> >
>
> Yes. They didn't want Rural advocates to take all the money.  Plus, RBOC
> want all the money for "next generation" fiber to the home, in more
> profitable areas to serve than rural.
> Also, its a situatiuon where this is a Stimulus Bill to create jobs, not
> necessarilly a bill to solve digital divide in Rural America. RUS is
> clearly
> only Rural focused. Thats my opinion on it.
> Whther that is the reason for sure, I do not know.
>
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
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Re: [WISPA] New Stimulus bill Broadband Definitions

2009-02-13 Thread St. Louis Broadband

I hope someone is in their ear saying that they need to also take into
consideration PTP wireless for backhaul.  I have written my Senators.
Victoria
St. Louis Broadband

On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote:

> Its what happens when polititions make technical decissions on soemthing
> they no nothing about.
> Most legislators don't realize the implications of the text that was
> written. But the lobby group that suggested the text certainly did.
>
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "St. Louis Broadband" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 1:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] New Stimulus bill Broadband Definitions
>
>
> > >
> >> The Senate bill asks for advanced broadband to be 100mbps.
> >>
> > AND only fiber, Powerline, and PtMP is eligible, PTP wireless is not
> >
> > eligible under the amended Sentate bill
> >
> > That is crazy. What is crazier is the other technologies they are
> > suggesting...Powerline and PtMP and 100 megs...humm.
> > On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 6:23 PM, Tom DeReggi
> > wrote:
> >
> >> That text is wrong, it is from the old House bill.
> >>
> >> The Senate bill asks for advanced broadband to be 100mbps.
> >> AND only fiber, Powerline, and PtMP is eligible, PTP wireless is not
> >> eligible under the amended Sentate bill.
> >>
> >> Tom DeReggi
> >> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> >> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
> >>
> >>
> >> - Original Message -
> >> From: "St. Louis Broadband" 
> >> To: 
> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 7:49 PM
> >> Subject: [WISPA] New Stimulus bill Broadband Definitions
> >>
> >>
> >> >I don't know if this will be revised before it is voted on, but it
> >> >appears
> >> > that it needs to be corrected:
> >> > In Title VI - BROADBAND COMMUNICATIONS (pg 661-662)
> >> >
> >>
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/08/senate-stimulus-bill-full_n_163144.html
> >> > (j)
> >> > DEFINITIONS - for the purpose of this section - (1) the term "advanced
> >> > broadband service" means a service delivering data to the end user
> >> > transmitted at a speed of at least 45 megabits per second downstream
> >> > and
> >> > at
> >> > least 15 megabits per second upstream; (2) the term "advanced wireless
> >> > broadband service" means a wireless service delivering to the end user
> >> > data
> >> > transmitted at a speed of at least 3 megabits per second downstream
> and
> >> at
> >> > least 1 megabit per second upstream over and end-to-end internet
> >> > protocol
> >> > wireless network;
> >> > (3) the term "basic broadband service" means a service delivering data
> >> > to
> >> > the end user transmitted to a speed of at least 5 megabits per second
> >> > downstream and at least 1 megabit per second upstream;"
> >> >
> >> > So the "advanced broadband service" is your backhaul @ 45/15 mbps,
> >> > "advanced
> >> > broadband service" SHOULD BE 5/1 mbps and "basic broadband service"
> >> SHOULD
> >> > BE 3/1 mbps
> >> >
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Re: [WISPA] New Stimulus bill Broadband Definitions

2009-02-12 Thread Jack Unger

correction (?) inline

Scottie Arnett wrote:
> For once I have to agree with Muddy here, they have no clue on what they are 
> deciding on! I am NOT against the whole gov't intervention thing, but these 
> people in the house and senate are completely lost! ALL they now is what the 
> Lobbiest are telling them and the Lobbiest are for the telco and cable co's 
> as usual. I just hope that the letter sent from WISPA
doesn't fall
>  fall on deaf ears as what we are trying to do here!
>
>
> Scottie
>
>   


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Re: [WISPA] New Stimulus bill Broadband Definitions

2009-02-12 Thread Scottie Arnett

For once I have to agree with Muddy here, they have no clue on what they are 
deciding on! I am NOT against the whole gov't intervention thing, but these 
people in the house and senate are completely lost! ALL they now is what the 
Lobbiest are telling them and the Lobbiest are for the telco and cable co's as 
usual. I just hope that the letter sent from WISPA falls on deaf ears as what 
we are trying to do here!


Scottie

-- Original Message --
From: rea...@muddyfrogwater.us
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Date:  Thu, 12 Feb 2009 14:35:00 -0800

>And everyone said I was a fool when I said the govenrment needed to stay OUT 
>of the broadband business
>
>
>
>
>
>
>- Original Message - 
>From: "Tom DeReggi" 
>To: "WISPA General List" 
>Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 10:29 AM
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] New Stimulus bill Broadband Definitions
>
>
>> Its what happens when polititions make technical decissions on soemthing
>> they no nothing about.
>> Most legislators don't realize the implications of the text that was
>> written. But the lobby group that suggested the text certainly did.
>>
>> Tom DeReggi
>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message - 
>> From: "St. Louis Broadband" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 1:45 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] New Stimulus bill Broadband Definitions
>>
>>
>>> >
>>>> The Senate bill asks for advanced broadband to be 100mbps.
>>>>
>>> AND only fiber, Powerline, and PtMP is eligible, PTP wireless is not
>>>
>>> eligible under the amended Sentate bill
>>>
>>> That is crazy. What is crazier is the other technologies they are
>>> suggesting...Powerline and PtMP and 100 megs...humm.
>>> On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 6:23 PM, Tom DeReggi
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> That text is wrong, it is from the old House bill.
>>>>
>>>> The Senate bill asks for advanced broadband to be 100mbps.
>>>> AND only fiber, Powerline, and PtMP is eligible, PTP wireless is not
>>>> eligible under the amended Sentate bill.
>>>>
>>>> Tom DeReggi
>>>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
>>>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> - Original Message -
>>>> From: "St. Louis Broadband" 
>>>> To: 
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 7:49 PM
>>>> Subject: [WISPA] New Stimulus bill Broadband Definitions
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> >I don't know if this will be revised before it is voted on, but it
>>>> >appears
>>>> > that it needs to be corrected:
>>>> > In Title VI - BROADBAND COMMUNICATIONS (pg 661-662)
>>>> >
>>>> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/08/senate-stimulus-bill-full_n_163144.html
>>>> > (j)
>>>> > DEFINITIONS - for the purpose of this section - (1) the term "advanced
>>>> > broadband service" means a service delivering data to the end user
>>>> > transmitted at a speed of at least 45 megabits per second downstream
>>>> > and
>>>> > at
>>>> > least 15 megabits per second upstream; (2) the term "advanced wireless
>>>> > broadband service" means a wireless service delivering to the end user
>>>> > data
>>>> > transmitted at a speed of at least 3 megabits per second downstream 
>>>> > and
>>>> at
>>>> > least 1 megabit per second upstream over and end-to-end internet
>>>> > protocol
>>>> > wireless network;
>>>> > (3) the term "basic broadband service" means a service delivering data
>>>> > to
>>>> > the end user transmitted to a speed of at least 5 megabits per second
>>>> > downstream and at least 1 megabit per second upstream;"
>>>> >
>>>> > So the "advanced broadband service" is your backhaul @ 45/15 mbps,
>>>> > "advanced
>>>> > broadband service" SHOULD BE 5/1 mbps and "basic broadband service"
>>>> SHOULD
>>>> > BE 3/1 mbps
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>

Re: [WISPA] New Stimulus bill Broadband Definitions

2009-02-12 Thread reader

And everyone said I was a fool when I said the govenrment needed to stay OUT 
of the broadband business






- Original Message - 
From: "Tom DeReggi" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] New Stimulus bill Broadband Definitions


> Its what happens when polititions make technical decissions on soemthing
> they no nothing about.
> Most legislators don't realize the implications of the text that was
> written. But the lobby group that suggested the text certainly did.
>
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "St. Louis Broadband" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 1:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] New Stimulus bill Broadband Definitions
>
>
>> >
>>> The Senate bill asks for advanced broadband to be 100mbps.
>>>
>> AND only fiber, Powerline, and PtMP is eligible, PTP wireless is not
>>
>> eligible under the amended Sentate bill
>>
>> That is crazy. What is crazier is the other technologies they are
>> suggesting...Powerline and PtMP and 100 megs...humm.
>> On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 6:23 PM, Tom DeReggi
>> wrote:
>>
>>> That text is wrong, it is from the old House bill.
>>>
>>> The Senate bill asks for advanced broadband to be 100mbps.
>>> AND only fiber, Powerline, and PtMP is eligible, PTP wireless is not
>>> eligible under the amended Sentate bill.
>>>
>>> Tom DeReggi
>>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
>>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>>>
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "St. Louis Broadband" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 7:49 PM
>>> Subject: [WISPA] New Stimulus bill Broadband Definitions
>>>
>>>
>>> >I don't know if this will be revised before it is voted on, but it
>>> >appears
>>> > that it needs to be corrected:
>>> > In Title VI - BROADBAND COMMUNICATIONS (pg 661-662)
>>> >
>>> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/08/senate-stimulus-bill-full_n_163144.html
>>> > (j)
>>> > DEFINITIONS - for the purpose of this section - (1) the term "advanced
>>> > broadband service" means a service delivering data to the end user
>>> > transmitted at a speed of at least 45 megabits per second downstream
>>> > and
>>> > at
>>> > least 15 megabits per second upstream; (2) the term "advanced wireless
>>> > broadband service" means a wireless service delivering to the end user
>>> > data
>>> > transmitted at a speed of at least 3 megabits per second downstream 
>>> > and
>>> at
>>> > least 1 megabit per second upstream over and end-to-end internet
>>> > protocol
>>> > wireless network;
>>> > (3) the term "basic broadband service" means a service delivering data
>>> > to
>>> > the end user transmitted to a speed of at least 5 megabits per second
>>> > downstream and at least 1 megabit per second upstream;"
>>> >
>>> > So the "advanced broadband service" is your backhaul @ 45/15 mbps,
>>> > "advanced
>>> > broadband service" SHOULD BE 5/1 mbps and "basic broadband service"
>>> SHOULD
>>> > BE 3/1 mbps
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> 
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Re: [WISPA] New Stimulus bill Broadband Definitions

2009-02-12 Thread Tom DeReggi

Its what happens when polititions make technical decissions on soemthing 
they no nothing about.
Most legislators don't realize the implications of the text that was 
written. But the lobby group that suggested the text certainly did.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: "St. Louis Broadband" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 1:45 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] New Stimulus bill Broadband Definitions


> >
>> The Senate bill asks for advanced broadband to be 100mbps.
>>
> AND only fiber, Powerline, and PtMP is eligible, PTP wireless is not
>
> eligible under the amended Sentate bill
>
> That is crazy. What is crazier is the other technologies they are
> suggesting...Powerline and PtMP and 100 megs...humm.
> On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 6:23 PM, Tom DeReggi 
> wrote:
>
>> That text is wrong, it is from the old House bill.
>>
>> The Senate bill asks for advanced broadband to be 100mbps.
>> AND only fiber, Powerline, and PtMP is eligible, PTP wireless is not
>> eligible under the amended Sentate bill.
>>
>> Tom DeReggi
>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "St. Louis Broadband" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 7:49 PM
>> Subject: [WISPA] New Stimulus bill Broadband Definitions
>>
>>
>> >I don't know if this will be revised before it is voted on, but it 
>> >appears
>> > that it needs to be corrected:
>> > In Title VI - BROADBAND COMMUNICATIONS (pg 661-662)
>> >
>> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/08/senate-stimulus-bill-full_n_163144.html
>> > (j)
>> > DEFINITIONS - for the purpose of this section - (1) the term "advanced
>> > broadband service" means a service delivering data to the end user
>> > transmitted at a speed of at least 45 megabits per second downstream 
>> > and
>> > at
>> > least 15 megabits per second upstream; (2) the term "advanced wireless
>> > broadband service" means a wireless service delivering to the end user
>> > data
>> > transmitted at a speed of at least 3 megabits per second downstream and
>> at
>> > least 1 megabit per second upstream over and end-to-end internet 
>> > protocol
>> > wireless network;
>> > (3) the term "basic broadband service" means a service delivering data 
>> > to
>> > the end user transmitted to a speed of at least 5 megabits per second
>> > downstream and at least 1 megabit per second upstream;"
>> >
>> > So the "advanced broadband service" is your backhaul @ 45/15 mbps,
>> > "advanced
>> > broadband service" SHOULD BE 5/1 mbps and "basic broadband service"
>> SHOULD
>> > BE 3/1 mbps
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> 
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Re: [WISPA] New Stimulus bill Broadband Definitions

2009-02-12 Thread St. Louis Broadband

>
> The Senate bill asks for advanced broadband to be 100mbps.
>
AND only fiber, Powerline, and PtMP is eligible, PTP wireless is not

eligible under the amended Sentate bill

That is crazy. What is crazier is the other technologies they are
suggesting...Powerline and PtMP and 100 megs...humm.
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 6:23 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote:

> That text is wrong, it is from the old House bill.
>
> The Senate bill asks for advanced broadband to be 100mbps.
> AND only fiber, Powerline, and PtMP is eligible, PTP wireless is not
> eligible under the amended Sentate bill.
>
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "St. Louis Broadband" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 7:49 PM
> Subject: [WISPA] New Stimulus bill Broadband Definitions
>
>
> >I don't know if this will be revised before it is voted on, but it appears
> > that it needs to be corrected:
> > In Title VI - BROADBAND COMMUNICATIONS (pg 661-662)
> >
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/08/senate-stimulus-bill-full_n_163144.html
> > (j)
> > DEFINITIONS - for the purpose of this section - (1) the term "advanced
> > broadband service" means a service delivering data to the end user
> > transmitted at a speed of at least 45 megabits per second downstream and
> > at
> > least 15 megabits per second upstream; (2) the term "advanced wireless
> > broadband service" means a wireless service delivering to the end user
> > data
> > transmitted at a speed of at least 3 megabits per second downstream and
> at
> > least 1 megabit per second upstream over and end-to-end internet protocol
> > wireless network;
> > (3) the term "basic broadband service" means a service delivering data to
> > the end user transmitted to a speed of at least 5 megabits per second
> > downstream and at least 1 megabit per second upstream;"
> >
> > So the "advanced broadband service" is your backhaul @ 45/15 mbps,
> > "advanced
> > broadband service" SHOULD BE 5/1 mbps and "basic broadband service"
> SHOULD
> > BE 3/1 mbps
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Re: [WISPA] New Stimulus bill Broadband Definitions

2009-02-12 Thread Marlon K. Schafer

On the up side, we already deliver advanced broadband out here.

And NONE of the cell phone companies do.

Heck, I only know of one town that has DSL of 2 megs up.
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "St. Louis Broadband" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 4:49 PM
Subject: [WISPA] New Stimulus bill Broadband Definitions


>I don't know if this will be revised before it is voted on, but it appears
> that it needs to be corrected:
> In Title VI - BROADBAND COMMUNICATIONS (pg 661-662)
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/08/senate-stimulus-bill-full_n_163144.html
> (j)
> DEFINITIONS - for the purpose of this section - (1) the term "advanced
> broadband service" means a service delivering data to the end user
> transmitted at a speed of at least 45 megabits per second downstream and 
> at
> least 15 megabits per second upstream; (2) the term "advanced wireless
> broadband service" means a wireless service delivering to the end user 
> data
> transmitted at a speed of at least 3 megabits per second downstream and at
> least 1 megabit per second upstream over and end-to-end internet protocol
> wireless network;
> (3) the term "basic broadband service" means a service delivering data to
> the end user transmitted to a speed of at least 5 megabits per second
> downstream and at least 1 megabit per second upstream;"
>
> So the "advanced broadband service" is your backhaul @ 45/15 mbps, 
> "advanced
> broadband service" SHOULD BE 5/1 mbps and "basic broadband service" SHOULD
> BE 3/1 mbps
>
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Re: [WISPA] New Stimulus bill Broadband Definitions

2009-02-12 Thread Tom DeReggi

> I do not understand why this is going under the NTIA umbrella rather
> than
> RUS.  Any ideas on that?
>

Yes. They didn't want Rural advocates to take all the money.  Plus, RBOC 
want all the money for "next generation" fiber to the home, in more 
profitable areas to serve than rural.
Also, its a situatiuon where this is a Stimulus Bill to create jobs, not 
necessarilly a bill to solve digital divide in Rural America. RUS is clearly 
only Rural focused. Thats my opinion on it.
Whther that is the reason for sure, I do not know.

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Re: [WISPA] New Stimulus bill Broadband Definitions

2009-02-11 Thread Chuck Bartosch


On Feb 10, 2009, at 8:10 PM, St. Louis Broadband wrote:

> You are correct!  Very confusing because most of the text under this  
> title
> is referring to wireless service and not broadband service.
> I do not understand why this is going under the NTIA umbrella rather  
> than
> RUS.  Any ideas on that?
>
> BTW - Glad about the 3/1 on wireless, since a lot of proprietary  
> radios,
> i.e. Trangos will only do that.

In general it shouldn't *really* matter what some radios would do  
because the stimulus wouldn't pay for what you already have in the  
field, and what you have in the field doesn't disqualify what you plan  
to *put* in the field. In fact, it might even be good because, if your  
current buildout doesn't qualify, they could pay for a retrofit. And  
at least for me, I'm not particularly religious about what I use. If  
they say 5x2, I'll put in something that does 5x2 since they are  
paying for it ;-).

Chuck

>
>
> Victoria
>
> On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 7:05 PM,  wrote:
>
>> Actually not.
>> Advanced broadband service 45/15
>> Basic broadband service 5/1
>> Advanced WIRELESS broadband service 3/1
>>
>> But nothing stating what Basic Wireless broadband service is  
>> supposed to be
>> at least in the excerpt.
>>
>> /Eje
>> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Jack Unger 
>>
>> Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 17:00:21
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] New Stimulus bill Broadband Definitions
>>
>>
>> So it looks like the definitions of "Basic broadband service" and
>> "Advanced broadband service" are interchanged. Good catch!!
>>
>> St. Louis Broadband wrote:
>>> I don't know if this will be revised before it is voted on, but it
>> appears
>>> that it needs to be corrected:
>>> In Title VI - BROADBAND COMMUNICATIONS (pg 661-662)
>>>
>> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/08/senate-stimulus-bill-full_n_163144.html
>>> (j)
>>> DEFINITIONS - for the purpose of this section - (1) the term  
>>> "advanced
>>> broadband service" means a service delivering data to the end user
>>> transmitted at a speed of at least 45 megabits per second  
>>> downstream and
>> at
>>> least 15 megabits per second upstream; (2) the term "advanced  
>>> wireless
>>> broadband service" means a wireless service delivering to the end  
>>> user
>> data
>>> transmitted at a speed of at least 3 megabits per second  
>>> downstream and
>> at
>>> least 1 megabit per second upstream over and end-to-end internet  
>>> protocol
>>> wireless network;
>>> (3) the term "basic broadband service" means a service delivering  
>>> data to
>>> the end user transmitted to a speed of at least 5 megabits per  
>>> second
>>> downstream and at least 1 megabit per second upstream;"
>>>
>>> So the "advanced broadband service" is your backhaul @ 45/15 mbps,
>> "advanced
>>> broadband service" SHOULD BE 5/1 mbps and "basic broadband service"
>> SHOULD
>>> BE 3/1 mbps
>>>
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] New Stimulus bill Broadband Definitions

2009-02-10 Thread Tom DeReggi

That text is wrong, it is from the old House bill.

The Senate bill asks for advanced broadband to be 100mbps.
AND only fiber, Powerline, and PtMP is eligible, PTP wireless is not 
eligible under the amended Sentate bill.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: "St. Louis Broadband" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 7:49 PM
Subject: [WISPA] New Stimulus bill Broadband Definitions


>I don't know if this will be revised before it is voted on, but it appears
> that it needs to be corrected:
> In Title VI - BROADBAND COMMUNICATIONS (pg 661-662)
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/08/senate-stimulus-bill-full_n_163144.html
> (j)
> DEFINITIONS - for the purpose of this section - (1) the term "advanced
> broadband service" means a service delivering data to the end user
> transmitted at a speed of at least 45 megabits per second downstream and 
> at
> least 15 megabits per second upstream; (2) the term "advanced wireless
> broadband service" means a wireless service delivering to the end user 
> data
> transmitted at a speed of at least 3 megabits per second downstream and at
> least 1 megabit per second upstream over and end-to-end internet protocol
> wireless network;
> (3) the term "basic broadband service" means a service delivering data to
> the end user transmitted to a speed of at least 5 megabits per second
> downstream and at least 1 megabit per second upstream;"
>
> So the "advanced broadband service" is your backhaul @ 45/15 mbps, 
> "advanced
> broadband service" SHOULD BE 5/1 mbps and "basic broadband service" SHOULD
> BE 3/1 mbps
>
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Re: [WISPA] New Stimulus bill Broadband Definitions

2009-02-10 Thread St. Louis Broadband

You are correct!  Very confusing because most of the text under this title
is referring to wireless service and not broadband service.
I do not understand why this is going under the NTIA umbrella rather than
RUS.  Any ideas on that?

BTW - Glad about the 3/1 on wireless, since a lot of proprietary radios,
i.e. Trangos will only do that.

Victoria

On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 7:05 PM,  wrote:

> Actually not.
> Advanced broadband service 45/15
> Basic broadband service 5/1
> Advanced WIRELESS broadband service 3/1
>
> But nothing stating what Basic Wireless broadband service is supposed to be
> at least in the excerpt.
>
> /Eje
> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Jack Unger 
>
> Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 17:00:21
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] New Stimulus bill Broadband Definitions
>
>
> So it looks like the definitions of "Basic broadband service" and
> "Advanced broadband service" are interchanged. Good catch!!
>
> St. Louis Broadband wrote:
> > I don't know if this will be revised before it is voted on, but it
> appears
> > that it needs to be corrected:
> > In Title VI - BROADBAND COMMUNICATIONS (pg 661-662)
> >
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/08/senate-stimulus-bill-full_n_163144.html
> > (j)
> > DEFINITIONS - for the purpose of this section - (1) the term "advanced
> > broadband service" means a service delivering data to the end user
> > transmitted at a speed of at least 45 megabits per second downstream and
> at
> > least 15 megabits per second upstream; (2) the term "advanced wireless
> > broadband service" means a wireless service delivering to the end user
> data
> > transmitted at a speed of at least 3 megabits per second downstream and
> at
> > least 1 megabit per second upstream over and end-to-end internet protocol
> > wireless network;
> > (3) the term "basic broadband service" means a service delivering data to
> > the end user transmitted to a speed of at least 5 megabits per second
> > downstream and at least 1 megabit per second upstream;"
> >
> > So the "advanced broadband service" is your backhaul @ 45/15 mbps,
> "advanced
> > broadband service" SHOULD BE 5/1 mbps and "basic broadband service"
> SHOULD
> > BE 3/1 mbps
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Re: [WISPA] New Stimulus bill Broadband Definitions

2009-02-10 Thread eje

Actually not. 
Advanced broadband service 45/15
Basic broadband service 5/1
Advanced WIRELESS broadband service 3/1

But nothing stating what Basic Wireless broadband service is supposed to be at 
least in the excerpt. 

/Eje
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 17:00:21 
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] New Stimulus bill Broadband Definitions


So it looks like the definitions of "Basic broadband service" and 
"Advanced broadband service" are interchanged. Good catch!!

St. Louis Broadband wrote:
> I don't know if this will be revised before it is voted on, but it appears
> that it needs to be corrected:
> In Title VI - BROADBAND COMMUNICATIONS (pg 661-662)
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/08/senate-stimulus-bill-full_n_163144.html
> (j)
> DEFINITIONS - for the purpose of this section - (1) the term "advanced
> broadband service" means a service delivering data to the end user
> transmitted at a speed of at least 45 megabits per second downstream and at
> least 15 megabits per second upstream; (2) the term "advanced wireless
> broadband service" means a wireless service delivering to the end user data
> transmitted at a speed of at least 3 megabits per second downstream and at
> least 1 megabit per second upstream over and end-to-end internet protocol
> wireless network;
> (3) the term "basic broadband service" means a service delivering data to
> the end user transmitted to a speed of at least 5 megabits per second
> downstream and at least 1 megabit per second upstream;"
>
> So the "advanced broadband service" is your backhaul @ 45/15 mbps, "advanced
> broadband service" SHOULD BE 5/1 mbps and "basic broadband service" SHOULD
> BE 3/1 mbps
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Re: [WISPA] New Stimulus bill Broadband Definitions

2009-02-10 Thread Jack Unger

So it looks like the definitions of "Basic broadband service" and 
"Advanced broadband service" are interchanged. Good catch!!

St. Louis Broadband wrote:
> I don't know if this will be revised before it is voted on, but it appears
> that it needs to be corrected:
> In Title VI - BROADBAND COMMUNICATIONS (pg 661-662)
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/08/senate-stimulus-bill-full_n_163144.html
> (j)
> DEFINITIONS - for the purpose of this section - (1) the term "advanced
> broadband service" means a service delivering data to the end user
> transmitted at a speed of at least 45 megabits per second downstream and at
> least 15 megabits per second upstream; (2) the term "advanced wireless
> broadband service" means a wireless service delivering to the end user data
> transmitted at a speed of at least 3 megabits per second downstream and at
> least 1 megabit per second upstream over and end-to-end internet protocol
> wireless network;
> (3) the term "basic broadband service" means a service delivering data to
> the end user transmitted to a speed of at least 5 megabits per second
> downstream and at least 1 megabit per second upstream;"
>
> So the "advanced broadband service" is your backhaul @ 45/15 mbps, "advanced
> broadband service" SHOULD BE 5/1 mbps and "basic broadband service" SHOULD
> BE 3/1 mbps
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