Re: [WISPA] Using Tranzeo as CPE for rural community
No we just thumb tighten the nuts. The first few we put up years ago we tightened them down way too far. We even change the foam now if the cover gets removed. Ordered a quite a few just to keep some around. I also noticed that over a couple of years the foam doesn't quite spring back like it did new. Thanks for the input. We started running a bead of silicone across the top of the cover. We replaced all the cat5 cable on one of our towers yesterday and found one of three showed a water line about 1" up above the seal. Dave D. Ryan Spott wrote: > Let me guess, you are torquing down the plastic cover until it can be > torqued down no more! > > Use this method.. no tools required: > > *With left hand; Press down cover, compressing the foam, until it > touches the unit. Perform this right next to where the stud comes > through the cover. > *With right hand tighten nut with fingers until finger tight. > *Let go of cover with right hand. The foam should "spring back" with > just enough pressure to keep it compressed, but not too compressed. > *Repeat until done with all 4 nuts. > > After you do this for a while you can do it with one hand... or better > yet, you will know how much you should be tightening down the cover and > you can use a nut-driver. > > ryan > > David Hulsebus wrote: > >> The only issue I've had with Tranzeo are the cover and seal they use for >> the POE. We've followed their directions but have had issues with water >> seeping into a few units. We now drill small holes in the bottom of the >> cover to let them drain if needed. We got tired of climbing a tower to >> replace defective units after a few days of rain.. Has anyone else >> experienced this? They are the TR5a-20&24f series. >> >> Thanks, Dave Hulsebus >> Portative Technologies, LLC >> www.portative.com >> >> >> Steve Barnes wrote: >> >> >>> Very Nice Post Matt. I agree completely. Few reboots here and there but >>> rock solid 98% of the time. The cable boot issue that Matt is talking about >>> is that you can't have cables pre-crimped you have to feed the wire through >>> the boot then crimp the end on. Some other manufactures system had a >>> rubber grommet that will compress down enough that you can get the cable >>> through already crimped and tighten it after the fact. Takes an installer >>> 2 mistakes of having to cut ends off and redo to fix that from being a >>> problem. Tranzeo are good units. >>> >>> Steve Barnes >>> RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>> Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 1:22 PM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Using Tranzeo as CPE for rural community >>> >>> A few responses here: >>> >>> 1) You don't have to use Tranzeo APs with Tranzeo CPEs.The new >>> Tranzeo APs (EN-500 series) does have a lot more management features >>> than the older Tranzeo units (TR-6000, TR-5a). You can also use StarOS >>> or Mikrotik APs and have all the centralized management and advanced >>> features that you could possibly want for an 802.11 network. >>> 2) The older CPEs do need to be rebooted occasionally. The newer >>> units do not seem to have this same problem. >>> 3) I tend to disagree with comments that the cases are poorly >>> designed. The Tranzeo radios have substantial internal grounding and >>> have a very high degree of tolerance for environmental extremes, both >>> hot and cold. They are built like tanks compared to the PCB in a >>> plastic case design of the Ubiquiti and Motorola Canopy radios. The >>> cable boot is not that bad to work with, but they could be improved. >>> 4) Tranzeo is RUS approved. I would have to dig up the link, but I >>> did determine that they will qualify for RUS or stimulus financing. >>> 5) They work great for PTMP, and there are hundreds of thousands of >>> Tranzeos out in the field providing PTMP service to WISP customers. The >>> 2.4ghz models have the same limitations of all 802.11b gear, but the >>> 802.11a based gear is especially capable and a great value. >>> >>> Hope that helps. >>> >>> Matt Larsen >>> vistabeam.com >>> >>> >>> >>> 3-dB Networks wrote: >>> >>> >>>
Re: [WISPA] Using Tranzeo as CPE for rural community
A 6yo and 3yo (both in may) can do a box of 2000 in about the same amount of time. The things they do with tools in less time is truly scary. Daddy we fixed the door! Uhm, what was wrong with it? Our keys don't fit it now Yes, you do not have any keys for the door No, Grayson put glue in it The key hole was filled with 'Liquid Nails' in less then 5min. Moral Oral says you should never leave a loaded gun in your toolbox. D. Ryan Spott wrote: > My 6YO daughter disagrees with the no adhesive seals... She really, > really liked "daddy's stickers." I occasionally peel evidence of this > off the rear window of my truck. > > Now she plays with daddy's zip ties did you know a bag of 300 can be > zipped together by a 6 year old in less than 30 minutes?! > > ryan > > Steve Barnes wrote: > >> Ryan, so right on. I have had to drill this into my installers. It's a >> seal not an engine block, you don't need to torque it down. However you >> have to get it tight enough that ice sitting on top wont open it up. You >> also have to admit that the new no adhesive seals are better. >> >> Steve Barnes >> RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of D. Ryan Spott >> Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 4:42 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Using Tranzeo as CPE for rural community >> >> Let me guess, you are torquing down the plastic cover until it can be >> torqued down no more! >> >> Use this method.. no tools required: >> >> *With left hand; Press down cover, compressing the foam, until it >> touches the unit. Perform this right next to where the stud comes >> through the cover. >> *With right hand tighten nut with fingers until finger tight. >> *Let go of cover with right hand. The foam should "spring back" with >> just enough pressure to keep it compressed, but not too compressed. >> *Repeat until done with all 4 nuts. >> >> After you do this for a while you can do it with one hand... or better >> yet, you will know how much you should be tightening down the cover and >> you can use a nut-driver. >> >> ryan >> >> David Hulsebus wrote: >> >> >>> The only issue I've had with Tranzeo are the cover and seal they use for >>> the POE. We've followed their directions but have had issues with water >>> seeping into a few units. We now drill small holes in the bottom of the >>> cover to let them drain if needed. We got tired of climbing a tower to >>> replace defective units after a few days of rain.. Has anyone else >>> experienced this? They are the TR5a-20&24f series. >>> >>> Thanks, Dave Hulsebus >>> Portative Technologies, LLC >>> www.portative.com >>> >>> >>> Steve Barnes wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> Very Nice Post Matt. I agree completely. Few reboots here and there but >>>> rock solid 98% of the time. The cable boot issue that Matt is talking >>>> about is that you can't have cables pre-crimped you have to feed the wire >>>> through the boot then crimp the end on. Some other manufactures system >>>> had a rubber grommet that will compress down enough that you can get the >>>> cable through already crimped and tighten it after the fact. Takes an >>>> installer 2 mistakes of having to cut ends off and redo to fix that from >>>> being a problem. Tranzeo are good units. >>>> >>>> Steve Barnes >>>> RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>>> Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists >>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 1:22 PM >>>> To: WISPA General List >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Using Tranzeo as CPE for rural community >>>> >>>> A few responses here: >>>> >>>> 1) You don't have to use Tranzeo APs with Tranzeo CPEs.The new >>>> Tranzeo APs (EN-500 series) does have a lot more management features >>>> than the older Tranzeo units (TR-6000, TR-5a). You can also use StarOS >>>> or Mikrotik APs and have all the centralized management and advanced >>>> features that you could possibly want for an 802.11 network. >>>> 2) The older CPEs do
Re: [WISPA] Using Tranzeo as CPE for rural community
I really like them for cpe. We have hundreds out there. The only thing missing is a reset button :-). I hate the ap's that I've used so far. Most work like crap when they get at all busy. Even the newest software isn't helping much. Think I'll stick with MT for my AP's. At least until I get a software version of the Tranzeo software that makes for a good ap. marlon - Original Message - From: "Mark Nash" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 11:01 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Using Tranzeo as CPE for rural community > Agreed that they are good CPEs. Though we've standardized on StarOS for > our > clients, we still have a couple hundred Tranzeo TR-CPQ19 CPEs in use on > our > StarOS APs (though we're slowly replacing them with StarOS units and > ebay-ing them). > > Mark Nash > UnwiredWest > 78 Centennial Loop > Suite E > Eugene, OR 97401 > 541-998- > 541-998-5599 fax > http://www.unwiredwest.com > - Original Message - > From: "Steve Barnes" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 11:00 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Using Tranzeo as CPE for rural community > > >> Very Nice Post Matt. I agree completely. Few reboots here and there but > rock solid 98% of the time. The cable boot issue that Matt is talking > about > is that you can't have cables pre-crimped you have to feed the wire > through > the boot then crimp the end on. Some other manufactures system had a > rubber > grommet that will compress down enough that you can get the cable through > already crimped and tighten it after the fact. Takes an installer 2 > mistakes of having to cut ends off and redo to fix that from being a > problem. Tranzeo are good units. >> >> Steve Barnes >> RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service >> >> -----Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists >> Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 1:22 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Using Tranzeo as CPE for rural community >> >> A few responses here: >> >> 1) You don't have to use Tranzeo APs with Tranzeo CPEs.The new >> Tranzeo APs (EN-500 series) does have a lot more management features >> than the older Tranzeo units (TR-6000, TR-5a). You can also use StarOS >> or Mikrotik APs and have all the centralized management and advanced >> features that you could possibly want for an 802.11 network. >> 2) The older CPEs do need to be rebooted occasionally. The newer >> units do not seem to have this same problem. >> 3) I tend to disagree with comments that the cases are poorly >> designed. The Tranzeo radios have substantial internal grounding and >> have a very high degree of tolerance for environmental extremes, both >> hot and cold. They are built like tanks compared to the PCB in a >> plastic case design of the Ubiquiti and Motorola Canopy radios. The >> cable boot is not that bad to work with, but they could be improved. >> 4) Tranzeo is RUS approved. I would have to dig up the link, but I >> did determine that they will qualify for RUS or stimulus financing. >> 5) They work great for PTMP, and there are hundreds of thousands of >> Tranzeos out in the field providing PTMP service to WISP customers. The >> 2.4ghz models have the same limitations of all 802.11b gear, but the >> 802.11a based gear is especially capable and a great value. >> >> Hope that helps. >> >> Matt Larsen >> vistabeam.com >> >> >> >> 3-dB Networks wrote: >> > So are you looking to provide a muni Wi-Fi type setup? >> > >> > I have used and deployed a few hundred Tranzeo radios... they seem to > play >> > best with each other... there has been issues when mixing other clients > with >> > them. >> > >> > There is not going to be a central management system for them... which > could >> > be very problematic >> > >> > I have seen many issues with the management locking up, with a reboot > being >> > the only way to bring it back. Tranzeo may have worked past these > issues by >> > now. >> > >> > In my opinion their radio cases are poorly designed, but it helps make > them >> > cheap. Of note the cable boot can be very difficult to work with. >> > >> > Overall though, I would deploy Tranzeo in the right situations. I'm >> > not >> > sure you have one of them though. I would lean towards Ubiquity since > the
Re: [WISPA] Using Tranzeo as CPE for rural community
Well since I got beat up pretty bad it seems... I'll respond :-) BTW if you read my last post... I was pretty clear Tranzeo radios are okay... and can do the job just fine. In my experience though you will find many more people that will curse their radios then praise their radios. I'm probably somewhere in that middle ground... Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com >-Original Message- >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists >Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 11:22 AM >To: WISPA General List >Subject: Re: [WISPA] Using Tranzeo as CPE for rural community > >A few responses here: > >1) You don't have to use Tranzeo APs with Tranzeo CPEs.The new >Tranzeo APs (EN-500 series) does have a lot more management features >than the older Tranzeo units (TR-6000, TR-5a). You can also use StarOS >or Mikrotik APs and have all the centralized management and advanced >features that you could possibly want for an 802.11 network. Agreed. One of the advantages to Tranzeo or 802.11 based gear is that it is for the most part interoperable. Yes my experience with Tranzeo is pre EN-500 series. But at the end of the day it's still 802.11... :-) >2) The older CPEs do need to be rebooted occasionally. The newer >units do not seem to have this same problem. I'm glad they FINALLY got that fixed. Only took them 5 years or so right? >3) I tend to disagree with comments that the cases are poorly >designed. The Tranzeo radios have substantial internal grounding and >have a very high degree of tolerance for environmental extremes, both >hot and cold. They are built like tanks compared to the PCB in a >plastic case design of the Ubiquiti and Motorola Canopy radios. The >cable boot is not that bad to work with, but they could be improved. The cases are poorly designed because they are cheap. The mounting hardware is cheap. I've seen the radios fill up with water because they were not sealed right. I've also had that plastic break with the CPE just riding around in my truck (granted something could have hit it I guess). On the flip side... I've dropped Canopy radios off of a 100ft tower once with no damage once so ever. The cable entrance is the easiest one to deal with out there. The radios don't have to be grounded because at no point is the case metal. I'll take the Canopy design any day. >4) Tranzeo is RUS approved. I would have to dig up the link, but I >did determine that they will qualify for RUS or stimulus financing. I think all wireless gear qualifies for RUS funding... it's just RUS approved gear goes through the process quicker. Either way, I'm not an expert on RUS funding :-) >5) They work great for PTMP, and there are hundreds of thousands of >Tranzeos out in the field providing PTMP service to WISP customers. The >2.4ghz models have the same limitations of all 802.11b gear, but the >802.11a based gear is especially capable and a great value. There was also hundreds of thousands of Smartbridge CPE's out there... but I wouldn't argue that made it a good product. They work okay in low noise low client environments. But they work fine for being an 802.11 a/b device. Personally if I was going this route I would probably look more towards Ubiquity for CPE's and Mikrotik for AP's... but Tranzeo WILL work. >Hope that helps. > >Matt Larsen >vistabeam.com > > > >3-dB Networks wrote: >> So are you looking to provide a muni Wi-Fi type setup? >> >> I have used and deployed a few hundred Tranzeo radios... they seem to >play >> best with each other... there has been issues when mixing other >clients with >> them. >> >> There is not going to be a central management system for them... which >could >> be very problematic >> >> I have seen many issues with the management locking up, with a reboot >being >> the only way to bring it back. Tranzeo may have worked past these >issues by >> now. >> >> In my opinion their radio cases are poorly designed, but it helps make >them >> cheap. Of note the cable boot can be very difficult to work with. >> >> Overall though, I would deploy Tranzeo in the right situations. I'm >not >> sure you have one of them though. I would lean towards Ubiquity since >they >> are a cheaper price point and there are more choices for the firmware. >On >> the downside availability can be difficult. >> >> I'm also not sure if Tranzeo is RUS approved. I would start from the >RUS >> approved list and work from there... as it will make getting that >stimulus >> money easier. >> >> Now if you're looking to
Re: [WISPA] Using Tranzeo as CPE for rural community
Yeah those little adhesive knockouts for the screw hole made great black warts at Halloween time. My kids used to stick one on their nose and the rest all over their little hands as witches. That's great to know about the zip ties. They also learned to use them (50+ at a time) to hold the chest part of seatbelts over out of the way and if those weren't available daddy's multi colored electrical tape will do. Steve Barnes RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of D. Ryan Spott Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 7:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Using Tranzeo as CPE for rural community My 6YO daughter disagrees with the no adhesive seals... She really, really liked "daddy's stickers." I occasionally peel evidence of this off the rear window of my truck. Now she plays with daddy's zip ties did you know a bag of 300 can be zipped together by a 6 year old in less than 30 minutes?! ryan Steve Barnes wrote: > Ryan, so right on. I have had to drill this into my installers. It's a seal > not an engine block, you don't need to torque it down. However you have to > get it tight enough that ice sitting on top wont open it up. You also have > to admit that the new no adhesive seals are better. > > Steve Barnes > RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of D. Ryan Spott > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 4:42 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Using Tranzeo as CPE for rural community > > Let me guess, you are torquing down the plastic cover until it can be > torqued down no more! > > Use this method.. no tools required: > > *With left hand; Press down cover, compressing the foam, until it > touches the unit. Perform this right next to where the stud comes > through the cover. > *With right hand tighten nut with fingers until finger tight. > *Let go of cover with right hand. The foam should "spring back" with > just enough pressure to keep it compressed, but not too compressed. > *Repeat until done with all 4 nuts. > > After you do this for a while you can do it with one hand... or better > yet, you will know how much you should be tightening down the cover and > you can use a nut-driver. > > ryan > > David Hulsebus wrote: > >> The only issue I've had with Tranzeo are the cover and seal they use for >> the POE. We've followed their directions but have had issues with water >> seeping into a few units. We now drill small holes in the bottom of the >> cover to let them drain if needed. We got tired of climbing a tower to >> replace defective units after a few days of rain.. Has anyone else >> experienced this? They are the TR5a-20&24f series. >> >> Thanks, Dave Hulsebus >> Portative Technologies, LLC >> www.portative.com >> >> >> Steve Barnes wrote: >> >> >>> Very Nice Post Matt. I agree completely. Few reboots here and there but >>> rock solid 98% of the time. The cable boot issue that Matt is talking about >>> is that you can't have cables pre-crimped you have to feed the wire through >>> the boot then crimp the end on. Some other manufactures system had a >>> rubber grommet that will compress down enough that you can get the cable >>> through already crimped and tighten it after the fact. Takes an installer >>> 2 mistakes of having to cut ends off and redo to fix that from being a >>> problem. Tranzeo are good units. >>> >>> Steve Barnes >>> RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>> Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 1:22 PM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Using Tranzeo as CPE for rural community >>> >>> A few responses here: >>> >>> 1) You don't have to use Tranzeo APs with Tranzeo CPEs.The new >>> Tranzeo APs (EN-500 series) does have a lot more management features >>> than the older Tranzeo units (TR-6000, TR-5a). You can also use StarOS >>> or Mikrotik APs and have all the centralized management and advanced >>> features that you could possibly want for an 802.11 network. >>> 2) The older CPEs do need to be rebooted occasionally. The newer >>> units do not seem to have this same problem. >>> 3) I tend to disagree
Re: [WISPA] Using Tranzeo as CPE for rural community
My 6YO daughter disagrees with the no adhesive seals... She really, really liked "daddy's stickers." I occasionally peel evidence of this off the rear window of my truck. Now she plays with daddy's zip ties did you know a bag of 300 can be zipped together by a 6 year old in less than 30 minutes?! ryan Steve Barnes wrote: > Ryan, so right on. I have had to drill this into my installers. It's a seal > not an engine block, you don't need to torque it down. However you have to > get it tight enough that ice sitting on top wont open it up. You also have > to admit that the new no adhesive seals are better. > > Steve Barnes > RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of D. Ryan Spott > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 4:42 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Using Tranzeo as CPE for rural community > > Let me guess, you are torquing down the plastic cover until it can be > torqued down no more! > > Use this method.. no tools required: > > *With left hand; Press down cover, compressing the foam, until it > touches the unit. Perform this right next to where the stud comes > through the cover. > *With right hand tighten nut with fingers until finger tight. > *Let go of cover with right hand. The foam should "spring back" with > just enough pressure to keep it compressed, but not too compressed. > *Repeat until done with all 4 nuts. > > After you do this for a while you can do it with one hand... or better > yet, you will know how much you should be tightening down the cover and > you can use a nut-driver. > > ryan > > David Hulsebus wrote: > >> The only issue I've had with Tranzeo are the cover and seal they use for >> the POE. We've followed their directions but have had issues with water >> seeping into a few units. We now drill small holes in the bottom of the >> cover to let them drain if needed. We got tired of climbing a tower to >> replace defective units after a few days of rain.. Has anyone else >> experienced this? They are the TR5a-20&24f series. >> >> Thanks, Dave Hulsebus >> Portative Technologies, LLC >> www.portative.com >> >> >> Steve Barnes wrote: >> >> >>> Very Nice Post Matt. I agree completely. Few reboots here and there but >>> rock solid 98% of the time. The cable boot issue that Matt is talking about >>> is that you can't have cables pre-crimped you have to feed the wire through >>> the boot then crimp the end on. Some other manufactures system had a >>> rubber grommet that will compress down enough that you can get the cable >>> through already crimped and tighten it after the fact. Takes an installer >>> 2 mistakes of having to cut ends off and redo to fix that from being a >>> problem. Tranzeo are good units. >>> >>> Steve Barnes >>> RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>> Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 1:22 PM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Using Tranzeo as CPE for rural community >>> >>> A few responses here: >>> >>> 1) You don't have to use Tranzeo APs with Tranzeo CPEs.The new >>> Tranzeo APs (EN-500 series) does have a lot more management features >>> than the older Tranzeo units (TR-6000, TR-5a). You can also use StarOS >>> or Mikrotik APs and have all the centralized management and advanced >>> features that you could possibly want for an 802.11 network. >>> 2) The older CPEs do need to be rebooted occasionally. The newer >>> units do not seem to have this same problem. >>> 3) I tend to disagree with comments that the cases are poorly >>> designed. The Tranzeo radios have substantial internal grounding and >>> have a very high degree of tolerance for environmental extremes, both >>> hot and cold. They are built like tanks compared to the PCB in a >>> plastic case design of the Ubiquiti and Motorola Canopy radios. The >>> cable boot is not that bad to work with, but they could be improved. >>> 4) Tranzeo is RUS approved. I would have to dig up the link, but I >>> did determine that they will qualify for RUS or stimulus financing. >>> 5) They work great for PTMP, and there are hundreds of thousands of >>> Tranzeos out i
Re: [WISPA] Using Tranzeo as CPE for rural community
Ryan, so right on. I have had to drill this into my installers. It's a seal not an engine block, you don't need to torque it down. However you have to get it tight enough that ice sitting on top wont open it up. You also have to admit that the new no adhesive seals are better. Steve Barnes RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of D. Ryan Spott Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 4:42 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Using Tranzeo as CPE for rural community Let me guess, you are torquing down the plastic cover until it can be torqued down no more! Use this method.. no tools required: *With left hand; Press down cover, compressing the foam, until it touches the unit. Perform this right next to where the stud comes through the cover. *With right hand tighten nut with fingers until finger tight. *Let go of cover with right hand. The foam should "spring back" with just enough pressure to keep it compressed, but not too compressed. *Repeat until done with all 4 nuts. After you do this for a while you can do it with one hand... or better yet, you will know how much you should be tightening down the cover and you can use a nut-driver. ryan David Hulsebus wrote: > The only issue I've had with Tranzeo are the cover and seal they use for > the POE. We've followed their directions but have had issues with water > seeping into a few units. We now drill small holes in the bottom of the > cover to let them drain if needed. We got tired of climbing a tower to > replace defective units after a few days of rain.. Has anyone else > experienced this? They are the TR5a-20&24f series. > > Thanks, Dave Hulsebus > Portative Technologies, LLC > www.portative.com > > > Steve Barnes wrote: > >> Very Nice Post Matt. I agree completely. Few reboots here and there but >> rock solid 98% of the time. The cable boot issue that Matt is talking about >> is that you can't have cables pre-crimped you have to feed the wire through >> the boot then crimp the end on. Some other manufactures system had a rubber >> grommet that will compress down enough that you can get the cable through >> already crimped and tighten it after the fact. Takes an installer 2 >> mistakes of having to cut ends off and redo to fix that from being a >> problem. Tranzeo are good units. >> >> Steve Barnes >> RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists >> Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 1:22 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Using Tranzeo as CPE for rural community >> >> A few responses here: >> >> 1) You don't have to use Tranzeo APs with Tranzeo CPEs.The new >> Tranzeo APs (EN-500 series) does have a lot more management features >> than the older Tranzeo units (TR-6000, TR-5a). You can also use StarOS >> or Mikrotik APs and have all the centralized management and advanced >> features that you could possibly want for an 802.11 network. >> 2) The older CPEs do need to be rebooted occasionally. The newer >> units do not seem to have this same problem. >> 3) I tend to disagree with comments that the cases are poorly >> designed. The Tranzeo radios have substantial internal grounding and >> have a very high degree of tolerance for environmental extremes, both >> hot and cold. They are built like tanks compared to the PCB in a >> plastic case design of the Ubiquiti and Motorola Canopy radios. The >> cable boot is not that bad to work with, but they could be improved. >> 4) Tranzeo is RUS approved. I would have to dig up the link, but I >> did determine that they will qualify for RUS or stimulus financing. >> 5) They work great for PTMP, and there are hundreds of thousands of >> Tranzeos out in the field providing PTMP service to WISP customers. The >> 2.4ghz models have the same limitations of all 802.11b gear, but the >> 802.11a based gear is especially capable and a great value. >> >> Hope that helps. >> >> Matt Larsen >> vistabeam.com >> >> >> >> 3-dB Networks wrote: >> >> >>> So are you looking to provide a muni Wi-Fi type setup? >>> >>> I have used and deployed a few hundred Tranzeo radios... they seem to play >>> best with each other... there has been issues when mixing other clients with >>> them. >>> >>> There is not going to be a central management system for them... whi
Re: [WISPA] Using Tranzeo as CPE for rural community
Only problem I've found with this is that eventually the foam gets worn out and doesn't "spring back" and if the plastic cover is not flush with the unit then it will leak as well. I've had similar issues to what David described and have tried it how you describe, tightening down completely, loosely, etc. Gotten to where I will put a line of silicone around the top and sides of the cover to keep water out. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of D. Ryan Spott Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 3:42 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Using Tranzeo as CPE for rural community Let me guess, you are torquing down the plastic cover until it can be torqued down no more! Use this method.. no tools required: *With left hand; Press down cover, compressing the foam, until it touches the unit. Perform this right next to where the stud comes through the cover. *With right hand tighten nut with fingers until finger tight. *Let go of cover with right hand. The foam should "spring back" with just enough pressure to keep it compressed, but not too compressed. *Repeat until done with all 4 nuts. After you do this for a while you can do it with one hand... or better yet, you will know how much you should be tightening down the cover and you can use a nut-driver. ryan David Hulsebus wrote: > The only issue I've had with Tranzeo are the cover and seal they use > for the POE. We've followed their directions but have had issues with > water seeping into a few units. We now drill small holes in the bottom > of the cover to let them drain if needed. We got tired of climbing a > tower to replace defective units after a few days of rain.. Has > anyone else experienced this? They are the TR5a-20&24f series. > > Thanks, Dave Hulsebus > Portative Technologies, LLC > www.portative.com > > > Steve Barnes wrote: > >> Very Nice Post Matt. I agree completely. Few reboots here and there but rock solid 98% of the time. The cable boot issue that Matt is talking about is that you can't have cables pre-crimped you have to feed the wire through the boot then crimp the end on. Some other manufactures system had a rubber grommet that will compress down enough that you can get the cable through already crimped and tighten it after the fact. Takes an installer 2 mistakes of having to cut ends off and redo to fix that from being a problem. Tranzeo are good units. >> >> Steve Barnes >> RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >> On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists >> Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 1:22 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Using Tranzeo as CPE for rural community >> >> A few responses here: >> >> 1) You don't have to use Tranzeo APs with Tranzeo CPEs.The new >> Tranzeo APs (EN-500 series) does have a lot more management features >> than the older Tranzeo units (TR-6000, TR-5a). You can also use StarOS >> or Mikrotik APs and have all the centralized management and advanced >> features that you could possibly want for an 802.11 network. >> 2) The older CPEs do need to be rebooted occasionally. The newer >> units do not seem to have this same problem. >> 3) I tend to disagree with comments that the cases are poorly >> designed. The Tranzeo radios have substantial internal grounding and >> have a very high degree of tolerance for environmental extremes, both >> hot and cold. They are built like tanks compared to the PCB in a >> plastic case design of the Ubiquiti and Motorola Canopy radios. The >> cable boot is not that bad to work with, but they could be improved. >> 4) Tranzeo is RUS approved. I would have to dig up the link, but I >> did determine that they will qualify for RUS or stimulus financing. >> 5) They work great for PTMP, and there are hundreds of thousands of >> Tranzeos out in the field providing PTMP service to WISP customers. >> The 2.4ghz models have the same limitations of all 802.11b gear, but >> the 802.11a based gear is especially capable and a great value. >> >> Hope that helps. >> >> Matt Larsen >> vistabeam.com >> >> >> >> 3-dB Networks wrote: >> >> >>> So are you looking to provide a muni Wi-Fi type setup? >>> >>> I have used and deployed a few hundred Tranzeo radios... they seem >>> to play best with each other... there has been issues when mixing >>> other clients with them. >>> >>> There is not going to be a central managemen
Re: [WISPA] Using Tranzeo as CPE for rural community
Let me guess, you are torquing down the plastic cover until it can be torqued down no more! Use this method.. no tools required: *With left hand; Press down cover, compressing the foam, until it touches the unit. Perform this right next to where the stud comes through the cover. *With right hand tighten nut with fingers until finger tight. *Let go of cover with right hand. The foam should "spring back" with just enough pressure to keep it compressed, but not too compressed. *Repeat until done with all 4 nuts. After you do this for a while you can do it with one hand... or better yet, you will know how much you should be tightening down the cover and you can use a nut-driver. ryan David Hulsebus wrote: > The only issue I've had with Tranzeo are the cover and seal they use for > the POE. We've followed their directions but have had issues with water > seeping into a few units. We now drill small holes in the bottom of the > cover to let them drain if needed. We got tired of climbing a tower to > replace defective units after a few days of rain.. Has anyone else > experienced this? They are the TR5a-20&24f series. > > Thanks, Dave Hulsebus > Portative Technologies, LLC > www.portative.com > > > Steve Barnes wrote: > >> Very Nice Post Matt. I agree completely. Few reboots here and there but >> rock solid 98% of the time. The cable boot issue that Matt is talking about >> is that you can't have cables pre-crimped you have to feed the wire through >> the boot then crimp the end on. Some other manufactures system had a rubber >> grommet that will compress down enough that you can get the cable through >> already crimped and tighten it after the fact. Takes an installer 2 >> mistakes of having to cut ends off and redo to fix that from being a >> problem. Tranzeo are good units. >> >> Steve Barnes >> RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists >> Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 1:22 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Using Tranzeo as CPE for rural community >> >> A few responses here: >> >> 1) You don't have to use Tranzeo APs with Tranzeo CPEs.The new >> Tranzeo APs (EN-500 series) does have a lot more management features >> than the older Tranzeo units (TR-6000, TR-5a). You can also use StarOS >> or Mikrotik APs and have all the centralized management and advanced >> features that you could possibly want for an 802.11 network. >> 2) The older CPEs do need to be rebooted occasionally. The newer >> units do not seem to have this same problem. >> 3) I tend to disagree with comments that the cases are poorly >> designed. The Tranzeo radios have substantial internal grounding and >> have a very high degree of tolerance for environmental extremes, both >> hot and cold. They are built like tanks compared to the PCB in a >> plastic case design of the Ubiquiti and Motorola Canopy radios. The >> cable boot is not that bad to work with, but they could be improved. >> 4) Tranzeo is RUS approved. I would have to dig up the link, but I >> did determine that they will qualify for RUS or stimulus financing. >> 5) They work great for PTMP, and there are hundreds of thousands of >> Tranzeos out in the field providing PTMP service to WISP customers. The >> 2.4ghz models have the same limitations of all 802.11b gear, but the >> 802.11a based gear is especially capable and a great value. >> >> Hope that helps. >> >> Matt Larsen >> vistabeam.com >> >> >> >> 3-dB Networks wrote: >> >> >>> So are you looking to provide a muni Wi-Fi type setup? >>> >>> I have used and deployed a few hundred Tranzeo radios... they seem to play >>> best with each other... there has been issues when mixing other clients with >>> them. >>> >>> There is not going to be a central management system for them... which could >>> be very problematic >>> >>> I have seen many issues with the management locking up, with a reboot being >>> the only way to bring it back. Tranzeo may have worked past these issues by >>> now. >>> >>> In my opinion their radio cases are poorly designed, but it helps make them >>> cheap. Of note the cable boot can be very difficult to work with. >>> >>> Overall though, I would deploy Tranzeo in the right situations. I'm not >>> sure you have one of them though. I would le
Re: [WISPA] Using Tranzeo as CPE for rural community
The only issue I've had with Tranzeo are the cover and seal they use for the POE. We've followed their directions but have had issues with water seeping into a few units. We now drill small holes in the bottom of the cover to let them drain if needed. We got tired of climbing a tower to replace defective units after a few days of rain.. Has anyone else experienced this? They are the TR5a-20&24f series. Thanks, Dave Hulsebus Portative Technologies, LLC www.portative.com Steve Barnes wrote: > Very Nice Post Matt. I agree completely. Few reboots here and there but > rock solid 98% of the time. The cable boot issue that Matt is talking about > is that you can't have cables pre-crimped you have to feed the wire through > the boot then crimp the end on. Some other manufactures system had a rubber > grommet that will compress down enough that you can get the cable through > already crimped and tighten it after the fact. Takes an installer 2 mistakes > of having to cut ends off and redo to fix that from being a problem. Tranzeo > are good units. > > Steve Barnes > RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 1:22 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Using Tranzeo as CPE for rural community > > A few responses here: > > 1) You don't have to use Tranzeo APs with Tranzeo CPEs.The new > Tranzeo APs (EN-500 series) does have a lot more management features > than the older Tranzeo units (TR-6000, TR-5a). You can also use StarOS > or Mikrotik APs and have all the centralized management and advanced > features that you could possibly want for an 802.11 network. > 2) The older CPEs do need to be rebooted occasionally. The newer > units do not seem to have this same problem. > 3) I tend to disagree with comments that the cases are poorly > designed. The Tranzeo radios have substantial internal grounding and > have a very high degree of tolerance for environmental extremes, both > hot and cold. They are built like tanks compared to the PCB in a > plastic case design of the Ubiquiti and Motorola Canopy radios. The > cable boot is not that bad to work with, but they could be improved. > 4) Tranzeo is RUS approved. I would have to dig up the link, but I > did determine that they will qualify for RUS or stimulus financing. > 5) They work great for PTMP, and there are hundreds of thousands of > Tranzeos out in the field providing PTMP service to WISP customers. The > 2.4ghz models have the same limitations of all 802.11b gear, but the > 802.11a based gear is especially capable and a great value. > > Hope that helps. > > Matt Larsen > vistabeam.com > > > > 3-dB Networks wrote: > >> So are you looking to provide a muni Wi-Fi type setup? >> >> I have used and deployed a few hundred Tranzeo radios... they seem to play >> best with each other... there has been issues when mixing other clients with >> them. >> >> There is not going to be a central management system for them... which could >> be very problematic >> >> I have seen many issues with the management locking up, with a reboot being >> the only way to bring it back. Tranzeo may have worked past these issues by >> now. >> >> In my opinion their radio cases are poorly designed, but it helps make them >> cheap. Of note the cable boot can be very difficult to work with. >> >> Overall though, I would deploy Tranzeo in the right situations. I'm not >> sure you have one of them though. I would lean towards Ubiquity since they >> are a cheaper price point and there are more choices for the firmware. On >> the downside availability can be difficult. >> >> I'm also not sure if Tranzeo is RUS approved. I would start from the RUS >> approved list and work from there... as it will make getting that stimulus >> money easier. >> >> Now if you're looking to do point to multi-point... it is a whole different >> conversation (and not generally in Tranzeo's favor). >> >> Daniel White >> 3-dB Networks >> http://www.3dbnetworks.com >> >> >> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>> Behalf Of Rogelio >>> Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 11:34 AM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: [WISPA] Using Tranzeo as CPE for rural community >>> >
Re: [WISPA] Using Tranzeo as CPE for rural community
When we climb towers to run new cat5 cable for a unit we're installing, we've now taken to crimping the cat5 & installing it into the enclosure before we hoist it up. So we hoist an enclosure with a cat5 inserted into it at the same time. Man does this save tower time... Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: "Josh Luthman" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 11:03 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Using Tranzeo as CPE for rural community > Because we all love being on a roof or on the top of a TV tower crimping cat5... > > On 4/1/09, Steve Barnes wrote: > > Very Nice Post Matt. I agree completely. Few reboots here and there but > > rock solid 98% of the time. The cable boot issue that Matt is talking about > > is that you can't have cables pre-crimped you have to feed the wire through > > the boot then crimp the end on. Some other manufactures system had a rubber > > grommet that will compress down enough that you can get the cable through > > already crimped and tighten it after the fact. Takes an installer 2 > > mistakes of having to cut ends off and redo to fix that from being a > > problem. Tranzeo are good units. > > > > Steve Barnes > > RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service > > > > -Original Message- > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > > Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists > > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 1:22 PM > > To: WISPA General List > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Using Tranzeo as CPE for rural community > > > > A few responses here: > > > > 1) You don't have to use Tranzeo APs with Tranzeo CPEs.The new > > Tranzeo APs (EN-500 series) does have a lot more management features > > than the older Tranzeo units (TR-6000, TR-5a). You can also use StarOS > > or Mikrotik APs and have all the centralized management and advanced > > features that you could possibly want for an 802.11 network. > > 2) The older CPEs do need to be rebooted occasionally. The newer > > units do not seem to have this same problem. > > 3) I tend to disagree with comments that the cases are poorly > > designed. The Tranzeo radios have substantial internal grounding and > > have a very high degree of tolerance for environmental extremes, both > > hot and cold. They are built like tanks compared to the PCB in a > > plastic case design of the Ubiquiti and Motorola Canopy radios. The > > cable boot is not that bad to work with, but they could be improved. > > 4) Tranzeo is RUS approved. I would have to dig up the link, but I > > did determine that they will qualify for RUS or stimulus financing. > > 5) They work great for PTMP, and there are hundreds of thousands of > > Tranzeos out in the field providing PTMP service to WISP customers. The > > 2.4ghz models have the same limitations of all 802.11b gear, but the > > 802.11a based gear is especially capable and a great value. > > > > Hope that helps. > > > > Matt Larsen > > vistabeam.com > > > > > > > > 3-dB Networks wrote: > >> So are you looking to provide a muni Wi-Fi type setup? > >> > >> I have used and deployed a few hundred Tranzeo radios... they seem to play > >> best with each other... there has been issues when mixing other clients > >> with > >> them. > >> > >> There is not going to be a central management system for them... which > >> could > >> be very problematic > >> > >> I have seen many issues with the management locking up, with a reboot > >> being > >> the only way to bring it back. Tranzeo may have worked past these issues > >> by > >> now. > >> > >> In my opinion their radio cases are poorly designed, but it helps make > >> them > >> cheap. Of note the cable boot can be very difficult to work with. > >> > >> Overall though, I would deploy Tranzeo in the right situations. I'm not > >> sure you have one of them though. I would lean towards Ubiquity since > >> they > >> are a cheaper price point and there are more choices for the firmware. On > >> the downside availability can be difficult. > >> > >> I'm also not sure if Tranzeo is RUS approved. I would start from the RUS > >> approved list and work from there... as it will make getting that stimulus > >> money easier. > >> > >> Now if you're looking to do point to multi-p
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Because we all love being on a roof or on the top of a TV tower crimping cat5... On 4/1/09, Steve Barnes wrote: > Very Nice Post Matt. I agree completely. Few reboots here and there but > rock solid 98% of the time. The cable boot issue that Matt is talking about > is that you can't have cables pre-crimped you have to feed the wire through > the boot then crimp the end on. Some other manufactures system had a rubber > grommet that will compress down enough that you can get the cable through > already crimped and tighten it after the fact. Takes an installer 2 > mistakes of having to cut ends off and redo to fix that from being a > problem. Tranzeo are good units. > > Steve Barnes > RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 1:22 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Using Tranzeo as CPE for rural community > > A few responses here: > > 1) You don't have to use Tranzeo APs with Tranzeo CPEs.The new > Tranzeo APs (EN-500 series) does have a lot more management features > than the older Tranzeo units (TR-6000, TR-5a). You can also use StarOS > or Mikrotik APs and have all the centralized management and advanced > features that you could possibly want for an 802.11 network. > 2) The older CPEs do need to be rebooted occasionally. The newer > units do not seem to have this same problem. > 3) I tend to disagree with comments that the cases are poorly > designed. The Tranzeo radios have substantial internal grounding and > have a very high degree of tolerance for environmental extremes, both > hot and cold. They are built like tanks compared to the PCB in a > plastic case design of the Ubiquiti and Motorola Canopy radios. The > cable boot is not that bad to work with, but they could be improved. > 4) Tranzeo is RUS approved. I would have to dig up the link, but I > did determine that they will qualify for RUS or stimulus financing. > 5) They work great for PTMP, and there are hundreds of thousands of > Tranzeos out in the field providing PTMP service to WISP customers. The > 2.4ghz models have the same limitations of all 802.11b gear, but the > 802.11a based gear is especially capable and a great value. > > Hope that helps. > > Matt Larsen > vistabeam.com > > > > 3-dB Networks wrote: >> So are you looking to provide a muni Wi-Fi type setup? >> >> I have used and deployed a few hundred Tranzeo radios... they seem to play >> best with each other... there has been issues when mixing other clients >> with >> them. >> >> There is not going to be a central management system for them... which >> could >> be very problematic >> >> I have seen many issues with the management locking up, with a reboot >> being >> the only way to bring it back. Tranzeo may have worked past these issues >> by >> now. >> >> In my opinion their radio cases are poorly designed, but it helps make >> them >> cheap. Of note the cable boot can be very difficult to work with. >> >> Overall though, I would deploy Tranzeo in the right situations. I'm not >> sure you have one of them though. I would lean towards Ubiquity since >> they >> are a cheaper price point and there are more choices for the firmware. On >> the downside availability can be difficult. >> >> I'm also not sure if Tranzeo is RUS approved. I would start from the RUS >> approved list and work from there... as it will make getting that stimulus >> money easier. >> >> Now if you're looking to do point to multi-point... it is a whole >> different >> conversation (and not generally in Tranzeo's favor). >> >> Daniel White >> 3-dB Networks >> http://www.3dbnetworks.com >> >> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>> Behalf Of Rogelio >>> Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 11:34 AM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: [WISPA] Using Tranzeo as CPE for rural community >>> >>> I'm looking into setting up wi-fi for rural county (using stimulus >>> dollars) and am now looking for CPE devices to put on each rooftop. >>> >>> A past coworker told me that he's heard good things about Tranzeo, and I >>> was wondering what others here on the list thought about them as a >>> vendor. >>> >>> >>> ---
Re: [WISPA] Using Tranzeo as CPE for rural community
Agreed that they are good CPEs. Though we've standardized on StarOS for our clients, we still have a couple hundred Tranzeo TR-CPQ19 CPEs in use on our StarOS APs (though we're slowly replacing them with StarOS units and ebay-ing them). Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: "Steve Barnes" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 11:00 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Using Tranzeo as CPE for rural community > Very Nice Post Matt. I agree completely. Few reboots here and there but rock solid 98% of the time. The cable boot issue that Matt is talking about is that you can't have cables pre-crimped you have to feed the wire through the boot then crimp the end on. Some other manufactures system had a rubber grommet that will compress down enough that you can get the cable through already crimped and tighten it after the fact. Takes an installer 2 mistakes of having to cut ends off and redo to fix that from being a problem. Tranzeo are good units. > > Steve Barnes > RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 1:22 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Using Tranzeo as CPE for rural community > > A few responses here: > > 1) You don't have to use Tranzeo APs with Tranzeo CPEs.The new > Tranzeo APs (EN-500 series) does have a lot more management features > than the older Tranzeo units (TR-6000, TR-5a). You can also use StarOS > or Mikrotik APs and have all the centralized management and advanced > features that you could possibly want for an 802.11 network. > 2) The older CPEs do need to be rebooted occasionally. The newer > units do not seem to have this same problem. > 3) I tend to disagree with comments that the cases are poorly > designed. The Tranzeo radios have substantial internal grounding and > have a very high degree of tolerance for environmental extremes, both > hot and cold. They are built like tanks compared to the PCB in a > plastic case design of the Ubiquiti and Motorola Canopy radios. The > cable boot is not that bad to work with, but they could be improved. > 4) Tranzeo is RUS approved. I would have to dig up the link, but I > did determine that they will qualify for RUS or stimulus financing. > 5) They work great for PTMP, and there are hundreds of thousands of > Tranzeos out in the field providing PTMP service to WISP customers. The > 2.4ghz models have the same limitations of all 802.11b gear, but the > 802.11a based gear is especially capable and a great value. > > Hope that helps. > > Matt Larsen > vistabeam.com > > > > 3-dB Networks wrote: > > So are you looking to provide a muni Wi-Fi type setup? > > > > I have used and deployed a few hundred Tranzeo radios... they seem to play > > best with each other... there has been issues when mixing other clients with > > them. > > > > There is not going to be a central management system for them... which could > > be very problematic > > > > I have seen many issues with the management locking up, with a reboot being > > the only way to bring it back. Tranzeo may have worked past these issues by > > now. > > > > In my opinion their radio cases are poorly designed, but it helps make them > > cheap. Of note the cable boot can be very difficult to work with. > > > > Overall though, I would deploy Tranzeo in the right situations. I'm not > > sure you have one of them though. I would lean towards Ubiquity since they > > are a cheaper price point and there are more choices for the firmware. On > > the downside availability can be difficult. > > > > I'm also not sure if Tranzeo is RUS approved. I would start from the RUS > > approved list and work from there... as it will make getting that stimul us > > money easier. > > > > Now if you're looking to do point to multi-point... it is a whole different > > conversation (and not generally in Tranzeo's favor). > > > > Daniel White > > 3-dB Networks > > http://www.3dbnetworks.com > > > > > >> -Original Message- > >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > >> Behalf Of Rogelio > >> Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 11:34 AM > >> To: WISPA General List > >> Subject: [WISPA] Using Tranzeo as CPE for rural community > >> > >> I'm looking in
Re: [WISPA] Using Tranzeo as CPE for rural community
Very Nice Post Matt. I agree completely. Few reboots here and there but rock solid 98% of the time. The cable boot issue that Matt is talking about is that you can't have cables pre-crimped you have to feed the wire through the boot then crimp the end on. Some other manufactures system had a rubber grommet that will compress down enough that you can get the cable through already crimped and tighten it after the fact. Takes an installer 2 mistakes of having to cut ends off and redo to fix that from being a problem. Tranzeo are good units. Steve Barnes RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 1:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Using Tranzeo as CPE for rural community A few responses here: 1) You don't have to use Tranzeo APs with Tranzeo CPEs.The new Tranzeo APs (EN-500 series) does have a lot more management features than the older Tranzeo units (TR-6000, TR-5a). You can also use StarOS or Mikrotik APs and have all the centralized management and advanced features that you could possibly want for an 802.11 network. 2) The older CPEs do need to be rebooted occasionally. The newer units do not seem to have this same problem. 3) I tend to disagree with comments that the cases are poorly designed. The Tranzeo radios have substantial internal grounding and have a very high degree of tolerance for environmental extremes, both hot and cold. They are built like tanks compared to the PCB in a plastic case design of the Ubiquiti and Motorola Canopy radios. The cable boot is not that bad to work with, but they could be improved. 4) Tranzeo is RUS approved. I would have to dig up the link, but I did determine that they will qualify for RUS or stimulus financing. 5) They work great for PTMP, and there are hundreds of thousands of Tranzeos out in the field providing PTMP service to WISP customers. The 2.4ghz models have the same limitations of all 802.11b gear, but the 802.11a based gear is especially capable and a great value. Hope that helps. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com 3-dB Networks wrote: > So are you looking to provide a muni Wi-Fi type setup? > > I have used and deployed a few hundred Tranzeo radios... they seem to play > best with each other... there has been issues when mixing other clients with > them. > > There is not going to be a central management system for them... which could > be very problematic > > I have seen many issues with the management locking up, with a reboot being > the only way to bring it back. Tranzeo may have worked past these issues by > now. > > In my opinion their radio cases are poorly designed, but it helps make them > cheap. Of note the cable boot can be very difficult to work with. > > Overall though, I would deploy Tranzeo in the right situations. I'm not > sure you have one of them though. I would lean towards Ubiquity since they > are a cheaper price point and there are more choices for the firmware. On > the downside availability can be difficult. > > I'm also not sure if Tranzeo is RUS approved. I would start from the RUS > approved list and work from there... as it will make getting that stimulus > money easier. > > Now if you're looking to do point to multi-point... it is a whole different > conversation (and not generally in Tranzeo's favor). > > Daniel White > 3-dB Networks > http://www.3dbnetworks.com > > >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Rogelio >> Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 11:34 AM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: [WISPA] Using Tranzeo as CPE for rural community >> >> I'm looking into setting up wi-fi for rural county (using stimulus >> dollars) and am now looking for CPE devices to put on each rooftop. >> >> A past coworker told me that he's heard good things about Tranzeo, and I >> was wondering what others here on the list thought about them as a >> vendor. >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > >
Re: [WISPA] Using Tranzeo as CPE for rural community
A few responses here: 1) You don't have to use Tranzeo APs with Tranzeo CPEs.The new Tranzeo APs (EN-500 series) does have a lot more management features than the older Tranzeo units (TR-6000, TR-5a). You can also use StarOS or Mikrotik APs and have all the centralized management and advanced features that you could possibly want for an 802.11 network. 2) The older CPEs do need to be rebooted occasionally. The newer units do not seem to have this same problem. 3) I tend to disagree with comments that the cases are poorly designed. The Tranzeo radios have substantial internal grounding and have a very high degree of tolerance for environmental extremes, both hot and cold. They are built like tanks compared to the PCB in a plastic case design of the Ubiquiti and Motorola Canopy radios. The cable boot is not that bad to work with, but they could be improved. 4) Tranzeo is RUS approved. I would have to dig up the link, but I did determine that they will qualify for RUS or stimulus financing. 5) They work great for PTMP, and there are hundreds of thousands of Tranzeos out in the field providing PTMP service to WISP customers. The 2.4ghz models have the same limitations of all 802.11b gear, but the 802.11a based gear is especially capable and a great value. Hope that helps. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com 3-dB Networks wrote: > So are you looking to provide a muni Wi-Fi type setup? > > I have used and deployed a few hundred Tranzeo radios... they seem to play > best with each other... there has been issues when mixing other clients with > them. > > There is not going to be a central management system for them... which could > be very problematic > > I have seen many issues with the management locking up, with a reboot being > the only way to bring it back. Tranzeo may have worked past these issues by > now. > > In my opinion their radio cases are poorly designed, but it helps make them > cheap. Of note the cable boot can be very difficult to work with. > > Overall though, I would deploy Tranzeo in the right situations. I'm not > sure you have one of them though. I would lean towards Ubiquity since they > are a cheaper price point and there are more choices for the firmware. On > the downside availability can be difficult. > > I'm also not sure if Tranzeo is RUS approved. I would start from the RUS > approved list and work from there... as it will make getting that stimulus > money easier. > > Now if you're looking to do point to multi-point... it is a whole different > conversation (and not generally in Tranzeo's favor). > > Daniel White > 3-dB Networks > http://www.3dbnetworks.com > > >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Rogelio >> Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 11:34 AM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: [WISPA] Using Tranzeo as CPE for rural community >> >> I'm looking into setting up wi-fi for rural county (using stimulus >> dollars) and am now looking for CPE devices to put on each rooftop. >> >> A past coworker told me that he's heard good things about Tranzeo, and I >> was wondering what others here on the list thought about them as a >> vendor. >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Using Tranzeo as CPE for rural community
So are you looking to provide a muni Wi-Fi type setup? I have used and deployed a few hundred Tranzeo radios... they seem to play best with each other... there has been issues when mixing other clients with them. There is not going to be a central management system for them... which could be very problematic I have seen many issues with the management locking up, with a reboot being the only way to bring it back. Tranzeo may have worked past these issues by now. In my opinion their radio cases are poorly designed, but it helps make them cheap. Of note the cable boot can be very difficult to work with. Overall though, I would deploy Tranzeo in the right situations. I'm not sure you have one of them though. I would lean towards Ubiquity since they are a cheaper price point and there are more choices for the firmware. On the downside availability can be difficult. I'm also not sure if Tranzeo is RUS approved. I would start from the RUS approved list and work from there... as it will make getting that stimulus money easier. Now if you're looking to do point to multi-point... it is a whole different conversation (and not generally in Tranzeo's favor). Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com >-Original Message- >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >Behalf Of Rogelio >Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 11:34 AM >To: WISPA General List >Subject: [WISPA] Using Tranzeo as CPE for rural community > >I'm looking into setting up wi-fi for rural county (using stimulus >dollars) and am now looking for CPE devices to put on each rooftop. > >A past coworker told me that he's heard good things about Tranzeo, and I >was wondering what others here on the list thought about them as a >vendor. > > > > >WISPA Wants You! Join today! >http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > >WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Using Tranzeo as CPE for rural community
I would second what Steve has said as well, but my questino to you would be that if you have all other vendor pieces figured out, why not stay with your AP vendor for your CPE's? Depending on AP's, you might actually HAVE to stay with the same vendor. I would hop you have considered that as well. We have a second network that we inherited from a company we merged with that would supposedly support "generic" CPE's. Well, it does, but it takes some "workarounds" to make it work like we want. My personal experience with Tranzeo is mixed. I have a few Tranzeo AP's, and some CPE's, that have been in the air for about 4 years that I never have to touch. But, I went through a time about 2.5 years ago when Tranzeo evidently had a bad run of CPE's or something and it burned me on them. I got some Deliberant gear in and wouldn't change it for the world. Deliberant, at least at that time, offered better features, better support, and a better price. Not sure how they compare now though, but I think the situation is about the same. Only thing I have negative on Deliberant radios is that their interface is still a bit slow, but I really think they're making improvements over what it was at one time. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rogelio Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 1:14 PM To: Steve Barnes Cc: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Using Tranzeo as CPE for rural community Thanks, Steve. Your advice is helpful. (I actually already have all of the other vendor pieces. I am now just looking for CPE devices to put on the roofs of the houses that subscribe.) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Using Tranzeo as CPE for rural community
Definitely good info Steve. Sometimes we need people to put out their opinion before we make the wrong move. This wasn't controversial at all, just good points. I like that kind of post! Martha Huizenga DC Access, LLC 202-546-5898 */Friendly, Local, Affordable, Internet!/**/ Connecting the Capitol Hill Community /* Steve Barnes wrote: > If you are starting out looking at CPE's, it is my opinion that you are > starting at the wrong end. Maybe you already have this all thought out and > planned. Tranzeo is a fine product I own hundreds of them. However, you need > to start at the beginning and look at internet backhaul, then the > distribution to the towers and how you're going to manage clients. Then you > need to determine the proper frequencies for your location which is > determined by Line of sight obstacles and noise from competitors and other > factors. These will all lead to a decision as to what equipment is best > suited for your location. That is the right step. Deciding on the equipment > you want to use then trying to make it fit your location will cause you > countless hours of frustration. > > Tranzeo makes a great line of 2.4 CPE's. Consistent in quality and look. > Price is OK as long as you buy in quantity. There are other options that may > give you better control depending on your circumstances. Don't start out > without traveling some and discussing the growing pains with someone who has > been there and who is not your closest competitor. > > You might also look at partnerships with other WISP's in your area. It is > always good to have someone to fall back-on when the going gets tough (and it > will). > > My opinion. And like butt-holes everyone has one and most shouldn't let > theirs out. But I just did. > > Steve Barnes > RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Rogelio > Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 1:34 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: [WISPA] Using Tranzeo as CPE for rural community > > I'm looking into setting up wi-fi for rural county (using stimulus > dollars) and am now looking for CPE devices to put on each rooftop. > > A past coworker told me that he's heard good things about Tranzeo, and I > was wondering what others here on the list thought about them as a vendor. > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Using Tranzeo as CPE for rural community
Thanks, Steve. Your advice is helpful. (I actually already have all of the other vendor pieces. I am now just looking for CPE devices to put on the roofs of the houses that subscribe.) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Using Tranzeo as CPE for rural community
If you are starting out looking at CPE's, it is my opinion that you are starting at the wrong end. Maybe you already have this all thought out and planned. Tranzeo is a fine product I own hundreds of them. However, you need to start at the beginning and look at internet backhaul, then the distribution to the towers and how you're going to manage clients. Then you need to determine the proper frequencies for your location which is determined by Line of sight obstacles and noise from competitors and other factors. These will all lead to a decision as to what equipment is best suited for your location. That is the right step. Deciding on the equipment you want to use then trying to make it fit your location will cause you countless hours of frustration. Tranzeo makes a great line of 2.4 CPE's. Consistent in quality and look. Price is OK as long as you buy in quantity. There are other options that may give you better control depending on your circumstances. Don't start out without traveling some and discussing the growing pains with someone who has been there and who is not your closest competitor. You might also look at partnerships with other WISP's in your area. It is always good to have someone to fall back-on when the going gets tough (and it will). My opinion. And like butt-holes everyone has one and most shouldn't let theirs out. But I just did. Steve Barnes RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rogelio Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 1:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Using Tranzeo as CPE for rural community I'm looking into setting up wi-fi for rural county (using stimulus dollars) and am now looking for CPE devices to put on each rooftop. A past coworker told me that he's heard good things about Tranzeo, and I was wondering what others here on the list thought about them as a vendor. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
