Re: [WISPA] [Ubnt_users] Is IPv6 ready?

2012-10-29 Thread Butch Evans 
On Sun, 2012-10-28 at 19:45 -0400, Fred Goldstein wrote:
> My favorite ideas (not that I'm the lead architect behind them) 
> haven't been fully developed yet, so they can't have won or lost 
> yet.  This takes time.

And currently, IPv6 is what ARIN and the other RIRs are handing out.  It
is the protocol suite being added to gear.  Maybe it would be stated
better as the current suite is being added to.  Either way, v6 is the
thing that IS happening.

> IPv6 has lost many times over.  The point of the articles is that 
> *the whole concept of large address spaces is wrong*.  IPv6 solves a 
> non-problem.

What is solves is not really at issue.

> I am thinking about writing a little opinionated history piece about 
> where IPv6 and IPv4 and their addressing actually came from.  It's a 
> real fustercluck.  You assume that the best and the brightest must 
> have really thought it out, but it didn't quite happen that way.

You assume too much in assuming that this is my thoughts on the matter.
My opinion of IPv6 matters little more than yours.  I don't like the
idea of ethanol.  It's actual usefulness in the real world of today is
actually creating a worse problem than it solves.  Having that opinion,
even IF a lot of people agree with me, isn't going to change what comes
out of nearly every pump in the states.

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Re: [WISPA] [Ubnt_users] Is IPv6 ready?

2012-10-28 Thread Fred Goldstein 
At 10/28/2012 07:09 PM, you wrote:
>On Sun, 2012-10-28 at 16:54 -0400, Fred Goldstein wrote:
> > An article I wrote seven years ago but is still somewhat current
> > (since IPv6 is always five years away ;-) ):
> > IPv6:  More Filling, Less Taste http://www.ionary.com/ion-ipv6.html
> >
> > And a more general slide presentation on the topic of naming and
> > addressing by John Day from 2010, which points out why IPv6 is
> > answering the wrong question and solving a non-problem while the
> > actual problems are ignored:
> >
> > http://www.pouzinsociety.org/images/KoreaNamingFund100218.pdf
>
>
>No matter how long you hold onto and continue to promote, IPv6 IS what
>is happening.  You don't have to like it or adopt it, but your ideas
>didn't "win".  At best, you will have to wait a few years and say "I
>told you so.  Now let's try my ideas."  It's not even an issue of
>whether you were/are right or wrong in your opinions...

My favorite ideas (not that I'm the lead architect behind them) 
haven't been fully developed yet, so they can't have won or lost 
yet.  This takes time.

IPv6 has lost many times over.  The point of the articles is that 
*the whole concept of large address spaces is wrong*.  IPv6 solves a 
non-problem.  Yes, your dog is now getting enough cheese.  This won't 
stop burglars, especially if you don't even have a dog.  Until RINA 
is available, IPv4 address space is more than adequate.  The protocol 
still sucks but inadequate address space is the least of its problems.

I am thinking about writing a little opinionated history piece about 
where IPv6 and IPv4 and their addressing actually came from.  It's a 
real fustercluck.  You assume that the best and the brightest must 
have really thought it out, but it didn't quite happen that way.

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Re: [WISPA] [Ubnt_users] Is IPv6 ready?

2012-10-28 Thread Butch Evans 
On Sun, 2012-10-28 at 16:54 -0400, Fred Goldstein wrote:
> An article I wrote seven years ago but is still somewhat current 
> (since IPv6 is always five years away ;-) ):
> IPv6:  More Filling, Less Taste http://www.ionary.com/ion-ipv6.html
> 
> And a more general slide presentation on the topic of naming and 
> addressing by John Day from 2010, which points out why IPv6 is 
> answering the wrong question and solving a non-problem while the 
> actual problems are ignored:
> 
> http://www.pouzinsociety.org/images/KoreaNamingFund100218.pdf


No matter how long you hold onto and continue to promote, IPv6 IS what
is happening.  You don't have to like it or adopt it, but your ideas
didn't "win".  At best, you will have to wait a few years and say "I
told you so.  Now let's try my ideas."  It's not even an issue of
whether you were/are right or wrong in your opinions...

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Re: [WISPA] [Ubnt_users] Is IPv6 ready?

2012-10-28 Thread Fred Goldstein 
At 10/27/2012 10:44 PM, MikeH wrote:
>Wait, am I disagreeing with Fred? :-p

Yep. ;-)  Of course I don't mind disagreeing with the crowd.  I'm 
curmudgeonly enough.

Anyway, rather than discuss it here on the list, I'll just give a 
couple of file pointers.

An article I wrote seven years ago but is still somewhat current 
(since IPv6 is always five years away ;-) ):
IPv6:  More Filling, Less Taste http://www.ionary.com/ion-ipv6.html

And a more general slide presentation on the topic of naming and 
addressing by John Day from 2010, which points out why IPv6 is 
answering the wrong question and solving a non-problem while the 
actual problems are ignored:

http://www.pouzinsociety.org/images/KoreaNamingFund100218.pdf

Enjoy.

>True, there are companies holding onto IPv4 space they aren't using 
>that they will sell, but the price of those will quickly escalate 
>for people with more money than ambition to implement IPv6.
>
>Asia may not be important to most Americans, but with RIPE running 
>out of IPv4 blocks as well (and likely far fewer legacy block 
>holders), there will be connectivity issues going to European organizations.
>
>Doing IPv6 really isn't that difficult to do and I hope to have 
>everything of mine (including hosted services) dual stacked by the 
>next IPv6 Day.
>
>
>
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>
>- Original Message -
>From: "Fred Goldstein" 
>To: "WISPA General List" 
>Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2012 9:35:26 PM
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Ubnt_users] Is IPv6 ready?
>
>At 10/27/2012 10:18 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
> >IPv6-only networks aren't far out in ARIN land. Well, unless you
> >like paying out of the nose for third party blocks. I'd say less
> >than 5 years before you cannot obtain an IPv4 address in North
> >America. Complete European and Asian access will require IPv6 soon
> >as they're out of IPv4 already.
> >
>
>I don't want to get into a flame war here, but suffice to say that
>there is an opposing opinion.  IPv6 is five years away from mass
>adoption, but this statement is always true.
>
>IPv4 addresses will be used more efficiently.  They will be
>resold.  There will be more NAT (which only breaks broken
>applications).  So they will always be available.  What has ended is
>the "homestead act" era of IPv4.  Homesteads were free land given to
>farmers.  When they ran out, farming didn't stop; the land could be
>resold.  Same with IPv4.  When it was a free resource, people squandered it.
>
>I'm still looking to see how to totally turn off IPv6 in RouterOS, as
>its being on by default scares me.  It's essentially a giant back
>door used primarily by hackers.
>
>
> >-
> >Mike Hammett
> >Intelligent Computing Solutions
> >http://www.ics-il.com
> >
> >- Original Message -
> >From: "Scott Carullo" 
> >To: wireless@wispa.org
> >Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2012 11:18:35 AM
> >Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Ubnt_users] Is IPv6 ready?
> >
> >
> >I'm fairly sure you can change the binding order to adjust this
> >operation to suite your preference. (which one the computer tried first)
> >
> >I don't see IPv6 utilized in my real world until 5-10 years from
> >now. We do provide some customers v6 routed address space and our
> >entire network is routed and supports it, but thats because people
> >like to play with it because its something new in the networking
> >world they want to understand, not because anyone actually requires
> >it. It does provide a small marketing bonus, for those that don't
> >understand it - sounds good any way lol
> >
> >I see it as somewhat as a liability to my network, since there are
> >sure to be bugs in its implementation and dual stack functionality.
> >Just a fear I have, been there done that with different routing
> >protocols in the past and the programmers have not yet achieved
> >perfection yet :)
> >
> >But, I flex, have to let people have their v6 fun (employees and
> >customers alike...)
> >

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Re: [WISPA] [Ubnt_users] Is IPv6 ready?

2012-10-28 Thread Jeromie Reeves 
On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 7:35 PM, Fred Goldstein  wrote:
> At 10/27/2012 10:18 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>IPv6-only networks aren't far out in ARIN land. Well, unless you
>>like paying out of the nose for third party blocks. I'd say less
>>than 5 years before you cannot obtain an IPv4 address in North
>>America. Complete European and Asian access will require IPv6 soon
>>as they're out of IPv4 already.
>>
>
> I don't want to get into a flame war here, but suffice to say that
> there is an opposing opinion.  IPv6 is five years away from mass
> adoption, but this statement is always true.
>
> IPv4 addresses will be used more efficiently.  They will be
> resold.  There will be more NAT (which only breaks broken
> applications).  So they will always be available.  What has ended is
> the "homestead act" era of IPv4.  Homesteads were free land given to
> farmers.  When they ran out, farming didn't stop; the land could be
> resold.  Same with IPv4.  When it was a free resource, people squandered it.
>
> I'm still looking to see how to totally turn off IPv6 in RouterOS, as
> its being on by default scares me.  It's essentially a giant back
> door used primarily by hackers.


If you do not add any v6 address under 'IPv6' then you only have the
local link address. If you remove the IPv6 package
then you lose that also.

Why does IPv6 scare you?

It is hardly a backdoor and it is hardly primarily used by hackers.
That is plain FUD.



>
>
>>-
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>>http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>- Original Message -
>>From: "Scott Carullo" 
>>To: wireless@wispa.org
>>Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2012 11:18:35 AM
>>Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Ubnt_users] Is IPv6 ready?
>>
>>
>>I'm fairly sure you can change the binding order to adjust this
>>operation to suite your preference. (which one the computer tried first)
>>
>>I don't see IPv6 utilized in my real world until 5-10 years from
>>now. We do provide some customers v6 routed address space and our
>>entire network is routed and supports it, but thats because people
>>like to play with it because its something new in the networking
>>world they want to understand, not because anyone actually requires
>>it. It does provide a small marketing bonus, for those that don't
>>understand it - sounds good any way lol
>>
>>I see it as somewhat as a liability to my network, since there are
>>sure to be bugs in its implementation and dual stack functionality.
>>Just a fear I have, been there done that with different routing
>>protocols in the past and the programmers have not yet achieved
>>perfection yet :)
>>
>>But, I flex, have to let people have their v6 fun (employees and
>>customers alike...)
>>
>>
>>Scott Carullo
>>Technical Operations
>>855-FLSPEED x102
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] [Ubnt_users] Is IPv6 ready?

2012-10-28 Thread Greg Ihnen 
In RouterOS you can disable IPv6 by uninstalling the IPv6 package.

On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 10:35 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote:

> At 10/27/2012 10:18 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
> >IPv6-only networks aren't far out in ARIN land. Well, unless you
> >like paying out of the nose for third party blocks. I'd say less
> >than 5 years before you cannot obtain an IPv4 address in North
> >America. Complete European and Asian access will require IPv6 soon
> >as they're out of IPv4 already.
> >
>
> I don't want to get into a flame war here, but suffice to say that
> there is an opposing opinion.  IPv6 is five years away from mass
> adoption, but this statement is always true.
>
> IPv4 addresses will be used more efficiently.  They will be
> resold.  There will be more NAT (which only breaks broken
> applications).  So they will always be available.  What has ended is
> the "homestead act" era of IPv4.  Homesteads were free land given to
> farmers.  When they ran out, farming didn't stop; the land could be
> resold.  Same with IPv4.  When it was a free resource, people squandered
> it.
>
> I'm still looking to see how to totally turn off IPv6 in RouterOS, as
> its being on by default scares me.  It's essentially a giant back
> door used primarily by hackers.
>
>
> >-
> >Mike Hammett
> >Intelligent Computing Solutions
> >http://www.ics-il.com
> >
> >- Original Message -
> >From: "Scott Carullo" 
> >To: wireless@wispa.org
> >Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2012 11:18:35 AM
> >Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Ubnt_users] Is IPv6 ready?
> >
> >
> >I'm fairly sure you can change the binding order to adjust this
> >operation to suite your preference. (which one the computer tried first)
> >
> >I don't see IPv6 utilized in my real world until 5-10 years from
> >now. We do provide some customers v6 routed address space and our
> >entire network is routed and supports it, but thats because people
> >like to play with it because its something new in the networking
> >world they want to understand, not because anyone actually requires
> >it. It does provide a small marketing bonus, for those that don't
> >understand it - sounds good any way lol
> >
> >I see it as somewhat as a liability to my network, since there are
> >sure to be bugs in its implementation and dual stack functionality.
> >Just a fear I have, been there done that with different routing
> >protocols in the past and the programmers have not yet achieved
> >perfection yet :)
> >
> >But, I flex, have to let people have their v6 fun (employees and
> >customers alike...)
> >
> >
> >Scott Carullo
> >Technical Operations
> >855-FLSPEED x102
> >
> >
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Re: [WISPA] [Ubnt_users] Is IPv6 ready?

2012-10-27 Thread Mike Hammett 
Wait, am I disagreeing with Fred? :-p

True, there are companies holding onto IPv4 space they aren't using that they 
will sell, but the price of those will quickly escalate for people with more 
money than ambition to implement IPv6.

Asia may not be important to most Americans, but with RIPE running out of IPv4 
blocks as well (and likely far fewer legacy block holders), there will be 
connectivity issues going to European organizations.

Doing IPv6 really isn't that difficult to do and I hope to have everything of 
mine (including hosted services) dual stacked by the next IPv6 Day.



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- Original Message -
From: "Fred Goldstein" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2012 9:35:26 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Ubnt_users] Is IPv6 ready?

At 10/27/2012 10:18 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>IPv6-only networks aren't far out in ARIN land. Well, unless you 
>like paying out of the nose for third party blocks. I'd say less 
>than 5 years before you cannot obtain an IPv4 address in North 
>America. Complete European and Asian access will require IPv6 soon 
>as they're out of IPv4 already.
>

I don't want to get into a flame war here, but suffice to say that 
there is an opposing opinion.  IPv6 is five years away from mass 
adoption, but this statement is always true.

IPv4 addresses will be used more efficiently.  They will be 
resold.  There will be more NAT (which only breaks broken 
applications).  So they will always be available.  What has ended is 
the "homestead act" era of IPv4.  Homesteads were free land given to 
farmers.  When they ran out, farming didn't stop; the land could be 
resold.  Same with IPv4.  When it was a free resource, people squandered it.

I'm still looking to see how to totally turn off IPv6 in RouterOS, as 
its being on by default scares me.  It's essentially a giant back 
door used primarily by hackers.


>-
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>http://www.ics-il.com
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "Scott Carullo" 
>To: wireless@wispa.org
>Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2012 11:18:35 AM
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Ubnt_users] Is IPv6 ready?
>
>
>I'm fairly sure you can change the binding order to adjust this 
>operation to suite your preference. (which one the computer tried first)
>
>I don't see IPv6 utilized in my real world until 5-10 years from 
>now. We do provide some customers v6 routed address space and our 
>entire network is routed and supports it, but thats because people 
>like to play with it because its something new in the networking 
>world they want to understand, not because anyone actually requires 
>it. It does provide a small marketing bonus, for those that don't 
>understand it - sounds good any way lol
>
>I see it as somewhat as a liability to my network, since there are 
>sure to be bugs in its implementation and dual stack functionality. 
>Just a fear I have, been there done that with different routing 
>protocols in the past and the programmers have not yet achieved 
>perfection yet :)
>
>But, I flex, have to let people have their v6 fun (employees and 
>customers alike...)
>
>
>Scott Carullo
>Technical Operations
>855-FLSPEED x102
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] [Ubnt_users] Is IPv6 ready?

2012-10-27 Thread Fred Goldstein 
At 10/27/2012 10:18 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>IPv6-only networks aren't far out in ARIN land. Well, unless you 
>like paying out of the nose for third party blocks. I'd say less 
>than 5 years before you cannot obtain an IPv4 address in North 
>America. Complete European and Asian access will require IPv6 soon 
>as they're out of IPv4 already.
>

I don't want to get into a flame war here, but suffice to say that 
there is an opposing opinion.  IPv6 is five years away from mass 
adoption, but this statement is always true.

IPv4 addresses will be used more efficiently.  They will be 
resold.  There will be more NAT (which only breaks broken 
applications).  So they will always be available.  What has ended is 
the "homestead act" era of IPv4.  Homesteads were free land given to 
farmers.  When they ran out, farming didn't stop; the land could be 
resold.  Same with IPv4.  When it was a free resource, people squandered it.

I'm still looking to see how to totally turn off IPv6 in RouterOS, as 
its being on by default scares me.  It's essentially a giant back 
door used primarily by hackers.


>-
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>http://www.ics-il.com
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "Scott Carullo" 
>To: wireless@wispa.org
>Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2012 11:18:35 AM
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Ubnt_users] Is IPv6 ready?
>
>
>I'm fairly sure you can change the binding order to adjust this 
>operation to suite your preference. (which one the computer tried first)
>
>I don't see IPv6 utilized in my real world until 5-10 years from 
>now. We do provide some customers v6 routed address space and our 
>entire network is routed and supports it, but thats because people 
>like to play with it because its something new in the networking 
>world they want to understand, not because anyone actually requires 
>it. It does provide a small marketing bonus, for those that don't 
>understand it - sounds good any way lol
>
>I see it as somewhat as a liability to my network, since there are 
>sure to be bugs in its implementation and dual stack functionality. 
>Just a fear I have, been there done that with different routing 
>protocols in the past and the programmers have not yet achieved 
>perfection yet :)
>
>But, I flex, have to let people have their v6 fun (employees and 
>customers alike...)
>
>
>Scott Carullo
>Technical Operations
>855-FLSPEED x102
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] [Ubnt_users] Is IPv6 ready?

2012-10-27 Thread Mike Hammett 
IPv6-only networks aren't far out in ARIN land. Well, unless you like paying 
out of the nose for third party blocks. I'd say less than 5 years before you 
cannot obtain an IPv4 address in North America. Complete European and Asian 
access will require IPv6 soon as they're out of IPv4 already.



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- Original Message -
From: "Scott Carullo" 
To: wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2012 11:18:35 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Ubnt_users] Is IPv6 ready?


I'm fairly sure you can change the binding order to adjust this operation to 
suite your preference. (which one the computer tried first) 

I don't see IPv6 utilized in my real world until 5-10 years from now. We do 
provide some customers v6 routed address space and our entire network is routed 
and supports it, but thats because people like to play with it because its 
something new in the networking world they want to understand, not because 
anyone actually requires it. It does provide a small marketing bonus, for those 
that don't understand it - sounds good any way lol 

I see it as somewhat as a liability to my network, since there are sure to be 
bugs in its implementation and dual stack functionality. Just a fear I have, 
been there done that with different routing protocols in the past and the 
programmers have not yet achieved perfection yet :) 

But, I flex, have to let people have their v6 fun (employees and customers 
alike...) 


Scott Carullo 
Technical Operations 
855-FLSPEED x102 


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Re: [WISPA] [Ubnt_users] Is IPv6 ready?

2012-10-27 Thread Scott Reed 
You and I can.  John Doe, the average user, doesn't know it is on, 
doesn't care that it is, and is clueless how to turn it off.
When we give him native v6, he will think we did something great to 
improve his performance.


On 10/27/2012 12:18 PM, Scott Carullo wrote:
I'm fairly sure you can change the binding order to adjust this 
operation to suite your preference. (which one the computer tried first)


I don't see IPv6 utilized in my real world until 5-10 years from now.  
We do provide some customers v6 routed address space and our entire 
network is routed and supports it, but thats because people like to 
play with it because its something new in the networking world they 
want to understand, not because anyone actually requires it.  It does 
provide a small marketing bonus, for those that don't understand it - 
sounds good any way lol


I see it as somewhat as a liability to my network, since there are 
sure to be bugs in its implementation and dual stack functionality.  
Just a fear I have, been there done that with different routing 
protocols in the past and the programmers have not yet achieved 
perfection yet :)


But, I flex, have to let people have their v6 fun (employees and 
customers alike...)


Scott Carullo
Technical Operations
855-FLSPEED x102



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Re: [WISPA] [Ubnt_users] Is IPv6 ready?

2012-10-27 Thread Scott Carullo 
I'm fairly sure you can change the binding order to adjust this operation 
to suite your preference. (which one the computer tried first)

I don't see IPv6 utilized in my real world until 5-10 years from now.  We 
do provide some customers v6 routed address space and our entire network is 
routed and supports it, but thats because people like to play with it 
because its something new in the networking world they want to understand, 
not because anyone actually requires it.  It does provide a small marketing 
bonus, for those that don't understand it - sounds good any way lol

I see it as somewhat as a liability to my network, since there are sure to 
be bugs in its implementation and dual stack functionality.  Just a fear I 
have, been there done that with different routing protocols in the past and 
the programmers have not yet achieved perfection yet :)

But, I flex, have to let people have their v6 fun (employees and customers 
alike...)

Scott Carullo
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