Re: [WISPA] Metered Broadband

2008-05-02 Thread Mike Hammett
- From: Kurt Fankhauser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 7:12 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Broadband I agree mosth customers havn't hit 1GB transfer for this year. But what about the customer that downloaded 25GB last week

Re: [WISPA] Metered Broadband

2008-05-01 Thread Mike Hammett
: Thursday, May 01, 2008 1:17 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Broadband Bryan, In most part, I agree with your reasoning. For legitamate things, such as WOW's maker's (used to be Blizzard I think) updates, their is nothing stopping them from offering their updates via ftp

Re: [WISPA] Metered Broadband

2008-05-01 Thread J. Vogel
It seems to me that in the ensuing discussion of this, there are several models proposed that do not take into account any costs other than bandwidth cost. I would think that one should calculate what it costs to aquire and maintain a customer, including office/support/billing/equipment etc...

Re: [WISPA] Metered Broadband

2008-05-01 Thread Cameron Kilton
Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 8:34 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Broadband Still is Blizzard. You're talking about a no win situation and then say you'll go to farming? hah! -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com

Re: [WISPA] Metered Broadband

2008-05-01 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Our average user does under 2 gigs per month. Only 10% or so ever go over that. marlon - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 6:23 PM Subject: [WISPA] Metered Broadband So what types of rates would

Re: [WISPA] Metered Broadband

2008-05-01 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 7:12 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Broadband I agree mosth customers havn't hit 1GB transfer for this year. But what about the customer that downloaded 25GB last week? I have a few of those. Kurt

Re: [WISPA] Metered Broadband

2008-05-01 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
. grin laters marlon - Original Message - From: Scottie Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 9:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Broadband I am not sure what the costs should or will be? But...I will say that is where I

Re: [WISPA] Metered Broadband

2008-05-01 Thread Ryan Langseth
should buy a t-1 from the telco! Never heard from him again. grin laters marlon - Original Message - From: Scottie Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 9:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Broadband I am

Re: [WISPA] Metered Broadband

2008-05-01 Thread Bryan Scott
I think that's the catch phrase... open meaning, not blocked. So don't block p2p or any other traffic, just throttle it down... WAY down... I gave a talk about doing this with Linux + HTB a couple of years ago. I had our head-end traffic shaper doing classful queuing, giving each type of

Re: [WISPA] Metered Broadband

2008-05-01 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
: [WISPA] Metered Broadband Funny, we have people and companies ask us for this type of setup quite often. Rather than running them off, we price it accordingly and build our network to support them even if that is a dedicated link to their premise. I would much rather take their 300-500

Re: [WISPA] Metered Broadband

2008-05-01 Thread Mark Nash
Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Broadband Yeah, me too. But this guy is an unemployed gamer. Guess what he's really gonna do? Stay with the DSL cause it's cheaper

[WISPA] Metered Broadband

2008-04-30 Thread Mike Hammett
So what types of rates would be appropriate for a metered broadband service? It obviously depends on what your costs are. I'll just throw something out to start a conversation, not necessarily reflective of any costs. $2/gig transferred, no other costs or limits. $10 base, $1.50/gig

Re: [WISPA] Metered Broadband

2008-04-30 Thread Scott Reed
Half my customers have pulled less than 1G since April 16 or so when I started tracking it. I'll be optimistic and think they would all do 1G per month. I don't think I am going to drop a $33 per month customer down to $2 per month. I might consider $30 base and $2/G over X/Gig, but I haven't

Re: [WISPA] Metered Broadband

2008-04-30 Thread Travis Johnson
Hi, Although it's a great thought, I don't think "metered" broadband will ever catch on in the US. Even the cell phone companies are moving to an "unlimited voice/data/SMS package for only $99" service pricing. My power company will do a "level-pay" program on my power after being activated

Re: [WISPA] Metered Broadband

2008-04-30 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 9:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Broadband Hi, Although it's a great thought, I don't think metered broadband will ever catch on in the US. Even the cell phone companies are moving to an unlimited voice

Re: [WISPA] Metered Broadband

2008-04-30 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
www.wavelinc.com _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 9:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Broadband Hi, Although it's a great thought, I don't think metered broadband

Re: [WISPA] Metered Broadband

2008-04-30 Thread Mike Hammett
[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 9:12 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Broadband I agree mosth customers havn't hit 1GB transfer for this year. But what about the customer that downloaded 25GB last week? I have a few of those. Kurt

Re: [WISPA] Metered Broadband

2008-04-30 Thread Travis Johnson
Johnson Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 9:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Broadband Hi, Although it's a great thought, I don't think metered broadband will ever catch on in the US. Even the cell phone companies are moving to an unlimited voice/data/SMS package

Re: [WISPA] Metered Broadband

2008-04-30 Thread Mike Hammett
- From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 8:44 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Broadband Hi, Although it's a great thought, I don't think metered broadband will ever catch on in the US. Even the cell phone companies are moving

Re: [WISPA] Metered Broadband

2008-04-30 Thread Mike Hammett
http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 8:44 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Broadband Hi, Although it's a great thought, I don't think metered broadband will ever catch on in the US. Even

Re: [WISPA] Metered Broadband

2008-04-30 Thread Scottie Arnett
I am not sure what the costs should or will be? But...I will say that is where I think broadband will be headed, for sure, if the FCC keeps going the way they are headed(since the Comcast deal) with the completely open concept, such as no bandwidth shaping of any sort. Even the BIG players

Re: [WISPA] Metered Broadband

2008-04-30 Thread Scottie Arnett
30, 2008 8:44 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Broadband Hi, Although it's a great thought, I don't think metered broadband will ever catch on in the US. Even the cell phone companies are moving to an unlimited voice/data/SMS package for only $99 service pricing. My power company

Re: [WISPA] Metered Broadband

2008-04-30 Thread Travis Johnson
I think things are going the other way... cell phones now have "unlimited" plans. Long distance can now be purchased as "unlimited". The water at my home and business (separate towns and utilities) are both "unlimited". Your local dial-tone has been unlimited for how many years? Travis

Re: [WISPA] Metered Broadband

2008-04-30 Thread Jason Wallace
Question: If you are privately owned and have received no federal (or otherwise) money for your network AND it is spelled out in your contract, could the FCC actually tell you you have to run wide open / allow any app? If so, where would the line get drawn (Universities, Libraries, etc...)?

Re: [WISPA] Metered Broadband

2008-04-30 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 11:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Broadband Question: If you are privately owned and have received no federal (or otherwise) money for your network AND it is spelled out in your contract, could the FCC actually tell you you have to run wide open

Re: [WISPA] Metered Broadband

2008-04-30 Thread John Thomas
Have you considered $19/mo for 1 Gig, $39/mo for 5 Gig and $59/mo for 10 Gig +$x per gig over what they normally pay? Another thought is do the tiers, and throttle them after they hit a point, after 1 gig, then you get throttled to 64k for the rest of the month. John Mike Hammett wrote: So

Re: [WISPA] Metered Broadband

2008-04-30 Thread Travis Johnson
I think that's the catch phrase... "open" meaning, not blocked. So don't block p2p or any other traffic, just throttle it down... WAY down... Travis Scottie Arnett wrote: Jason, My TOS do the same thing, but just do a search about Comcast blocking Vuze(bittorrent) and see what has been

Re: [WISPA] Metered Broadband

2008-04-30 Thread Scottie Arnett
Jason, My TOS do the same thing, but just do a search about Comcast blocking Vuze(bittorrent) and see what has been happening over the last few months. First the FCC said it was a matter of them not having a statement of shaping traffic in their TOS, now it has come to that any provider

Re: [WISPA] Metered Broadband

2008-04-30 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
: [WISPA] Metered Broadband I think that's the catch phrase... open meaning, not blocked. So don't block p2p or any other traffic, just throttle it down... WAY down... Travis Scottie Arnett wrote: Jason, My TOS do the same thing, but just do a search about Comcast blocking Vuze(bittorrent

Re: [WISPA] Metered Broadband

2008-04-30 Thread Blair Davis
Travis Johnson wrote: I think things are going the other way... cell phones now have "unlimited" plans. Long distance can now be purchased as "unlimited". The water at my home and business (separate towns and utilities) are both "unlimited". Your local dial-tone has been unlimited for

Re: [WISPA] Metered Broadband

2008-04-30 Thread Bryan Scott
There are arguments for flat rate and for metered for most utilities and services. All you can eat attracts people who don't want to worry about overages, where tiered usage plans cater to the penny-pincher who knows exactly how much (or little) he needs. For a service provider it is much

Re: [WISPA] Metered Broadband

2008-04-30 Thread reader
Subject: [WISPA] Metered Broadband So what types of rates would be appropriate for a metered broadband service? It obviously depends on what your costs are. I'll just throw something out to start a conversation, not necessarily reflective of any costs. $2/gig transferred, no other

Re: [WISPA] Metered Broadband

2008-04-30 Thread George Rogato
What ever you do decide to charge on a bit cap metered unit price plan, start the base fee off at the competitive market price and then work backwards to determine how much transfer is included. An example: if you like $2.00 per gig unit price, and the typical market price in your area is say

Re: [WISPA] Metered Broadband

2008-04-30 Thread Scottie Arnett
Bryan, In most part, I agree with your reasoning. For legitamate things, such as WOW's maker's (used to be Blizzard I think) updates, their is nothing stopping them from offering their updates via ftp, but no...they prefer to offer it via bittorrent that brings our wirelesss connections down