Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC
Let me muddy the waters a bit more with an interesting thread: http://ubnt.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8556&highlight=fcc "WTH" seems to be pretty knowledgeable and quotes chapter and verse to back himself up. His arguments are largely based on the "professional installation" rules in part-15. One other interesting claim in the thread: -- Quote: So If I'm to interpret the FCC site right, then the XR2 can only be used with a 3 dBi or less gain antenna because that's what the FCC tested with? The FCC R&R allow the XR2 to be used with any antenna as long as you do not exceed the ERIP for the particular installion you install it for. Quote: If so, not trying to being mean or anything, the XR2 seems kind of useless to me. If you want to use it with a 15 dBi omni antenna, you are legally allowed to. Likewise with any directional antenna as permitted by the installation. Quote: Also, I noticed that in the FCC descriptions, it doesn't usually say what the limit for the antenna is, it just says what they used in their test. They use a 3Bi antenna if it is not necessary for the grantee to provide an included antenna. If the grantee is required to provide the antenna, that it the antenna gain the unit is certified for. Quote: I don't understand why they don't explain why they use a certain gain of antenna. It all seems so arbitrary to me, like they just pick one at random. If anyone could help me understand better, I'd greatly appreciate it. See above. Thoughts? Are the UBNT certifications written in a different manner from the Mikrotiks, so we don't have to be a "chosen one" to install "certified" systems? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC
Mark, But those rules are under Part 90 and not Part 15. Two different sets of rules as I recall. The 3.65 band is FCC Part 90 and the unlicensed bands are not. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of rea...@muddyfrogwater.us Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 2:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC Nonsense, Matt. Read the grant yourself. The grant is MODULAR certification, meaning you can use the module in any way you choose, so long as you lable the device as containing blah blah and comply with the antenna rules. This is very explicitly true. I believe that UBNT has written correspondence from the FCC on this. I know someone has, I've seen it and read it. - Original Message - From: "Matt Liotta" To: ; "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC > > On May 12, 2009, at 4:21 PM, Scott Carullo wrote: > >> >> Ok... so back to original dilemma... >> >> I take a XR5, the precise antenna they certified with this radio >> card, a >> RB411 and hook it all up and use it myself within FCC RF guidelines. >> >> Criminal or law abiding citizen... >> > Neither, but you would be in violation of the FCC regulations and be > subject to civil penalties. > > Think about this like tax law. Imagine someone makes a great case > about how you can avoid taxes legally by doing a certain thing. You > may believe the person and the person's reasons may seem perfectly > logical. However, would it be smart to follow them? Probably not > without signoff from a CPA and/or tax attorney. > > -Matt > > > -- -- > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > -- -- > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC
Nonsense, Matt. Read the grant yourself. The grant is MODULAR certification, meaning you can use the module in any way you choose, so long as you lable the device as containing blah blah and comply with the antenna rules. This is very explicitly true. I believe that UBNT has written correspondence from the FCC on this. I know someone has, I've seen it and read it. - Original Message - From: "Matt Liotta" To: ; "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC > > On May 12, 2009, at 4:21 PM, Scott Carullo wrote: > >> >> Ok... so back to original dilemma... >> >> I take a XR5, the precise antenna they certified with this radio >> card, a >> RB411 and hook it all up and use it myself within FCC RF guidelines. >> >> Criminal or law abiding citizen... >> > Neither, but you would be in violation of the FCC regulations and be > subject to civil penalties. > > Think about this like tax law. Imagine someone makes a great case > about how you can avoid taxes legally by doing a certain thing. You > may believe the person and the person's reasons may seem perfectly > logical. However, would it be smart to follow them? Probably not > without signoff from a CPA and/or tax attorney. > > -Matt > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC
wow, this argument AGAIN? Let's look at this closely...UBNT certified the XR3 - 3.7 as a standalone module, and the FCC accepts their certification NO MATTER WHAT OS OR DRIVERS CONTROL IT because it has been proven to not radiate outside of the designated frequencies.I hold the license to prove it. It did not require their board, or ANYONE's specific board to be licensed. They have a specified antenna that's certified with the XR3 card.The FCC actually issues licenses to anyone to use the card with any BOARD that is already fcc accepted. This discussion was had a while back, when the FCC announced that MODULAR CERTIFICATION WAS NOW ACCEPTABLE. Your simple requirement is to sticker whatever you build with the following notice: "This device contains ( fcc cert number for any modular approved radio).This contravenes MUCH of what was said previous to that point, and manufacturers such as Compex and UBNT have exploited it wholesale. Valemount got their own cert number for Lucaya branded equipment, and they merely filed that "xxx contains previously certified " and it isn't changed, blah blah, and got their own cert number WITH NO LAB TESTING WHATSOEVER. A little research at the FCC website will confirm that they merely used compex's own cert to get their own.I suspect it cost them nothing but whatever filing fees the FCC may or may not have. To better that, Compex actually certified their boards and radios with NO enclosure, and it states in the grant that no shielding is required to meet emissions limits, therefore the enclosure is irrelevant to compliance. Thus the customer can place ANY minipci or full board+minipci into any enclosure and it strictly is compliant, so long as the stated antenna is used. Now, please note, that Compex and UBNT sticker t heir products with the modular FCC approval. Last time I saw a picture of a MT R52 it did NOT have such a sticker and it appears to not be modular certified, but rather system certified.Thus, Mikrotik can choose to extend their cert to you... or not. as they see fit. UBNT and Compex literally gave it away by modular cert and printing the device with all the required information. This means you can use valemount's boards and the radios in your own enclosure using the Compex modular approval ( contains blah blah stickered on the outside) or you can use it in Valemount's box w/their number on it. Now, I'm not professing to be a lawyer or FCC expert. I'm merely observing what they have done and how it has been widely implemented. Want to argue with it? Don't argue with me, argue with the FCC who has done it with eyes wide open. - Original Message - From: "Tom DeReggi" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 1:39 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC > Lets not forget the rules may not be the same depending on what type > certification one is looking for. > > If Mikrotik got a part B certification for the hardware board, and MT > makes > the hardware board, its irrelevent where an end user buys the board, > Mikrotik is responsible for the certification that they had gotten for > their > hardware. > > However, for wireless system certifications (forget technical name of > type) > its a different story. The software, hardware, and RF have to all get > certified togeather. > And it was clear their had to be a "responisble party" aka the > "manufacturer". So certifying a combination yourself would make yourself > the > manufacturer. > Can one be, without any control of the software code writing? I would > think > an authroized distributor would gain Mikrotik's endorsement for gaining > such > support. > But does the FCC require it or allow it, considering intelectual property > considerations? > > Tom DeReggi > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > > - Original Message - > From: "Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs" > To: ; "WISPA General List" > Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 11:18 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC > > >> Yes, you can not certify the radios, MT wants the distributors to build >> and certify them. If you build them, they won't be certified. >> >> -- >> * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer >> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org <http://www.wispa.org/> >> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services* >> *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net >> <http://www.linktechs.net/> >> >> */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training >> <http://
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC
On May 12, 2009, at 4:21 PM, Scott Carullo wrote: > > Ok... so back to original dilemma... > > I take a XR5, the precise antenna they certified with this radio > card, a > RB411 and hook it all up and use it myself within FCC RF guidelines. > > Criminal or law abiding citizen... > Neither, but you would be in violation of the FCC regulations and be subject to civil penalties. Think about this like tax law. Imagine someone makes a great case about how you can avoid taxes legally by doing a certain thing. You may believe the person and the person's reasons may seem perfectly logical. However, would it be smart to follow them? Probably not without signoff from a CPA and/or tax attorney. -Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC
Lets not forget the rules may not be the same depending on what type certification one is looking for. If Mikrotik got a part B certification for the hardware board, and MT makes the hardware board, its irrelevent where an end user buys the board, Mikrotik is responsible for the certification that they had gotten for their hardware. However, for wireless system certifications (forget technical name of type) its a different story. The software, hardware, and RF have to all get certified togeather. And it was clear their had to be a "responisble party" aka the "manufacturer". So certifying a combination yourself would make yourself the manufacturer. Can one be, without any control of the software code writing? I would think an authroized distributor would gain Mikrotik's endorsement for gaining such support. But does the FCC require it or allow it, considering intelectual property considerations? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs" To: ; "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 11:18 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC > Yes, you can not certify the radios, MT wants the distributors to build > and certify them. If you build them, they won't be certified. > > -- > * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer > WISPA Board Member - wispa.org <http://www.wispa.org/> > Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services* > *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net > <http://www.linktechs.net/> > > */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training > <http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp>/* > > > > Scott Carullo wrote: >> I'm pretty sure the FCC and the testing labs don't care who you are or >> where you buy your stuff... thats not what they are looking for. >> Example >> - I choose to take 4 parts (some mikrotik) and get them certified - I >> can Do you see this differently? >> >> Scott Carullo >> Brevard Wireless >> 321-205-1100 x102 >> >> Original Message >> >>> From: "Dennis Burgess - Linktechs" >>> Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 3:43 PM >>> To: "WISPA General List" >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC >>> >>> First, you have to be a distributor of MT to be able to certify. It has >>> to be a certified system, as well has to have all of the images, text >>> etc on it as well. You can only get those if you are a MT distributor. >>> >>> * --- >>> Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer >>> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org <http://www.wispa.org/> >>> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services >>> WISPA Vendor Member* >>> *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net >>> <http://www.linktechs.net/> >>> */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/* >>> <http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp> >>> >>> The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the >>> >> Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended >> only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which >> >>> it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. >>> >> Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of >> any >> action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other >> than >> the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you >> >>> received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the >>> material >>> >> from any computer. >> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Randy Cosby wrote: >>> >>>> Can you explain what you mean by "certified" then? What does that >>>> entail other than just putting together a board, antenna and radio that >>>> >> >> >>>> are fcc certified? Do you have the entire unit tested and certified, >>>> >> or >> >>>> do yo see that as not necessary? >>>> >>>> Randy >>>> >>>> >>>> Eje Gustafsson wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Cross roads are certified with the entire Pacific Wireless line of >>>>> >> antennas. >> >>>>> R52 is certified with most of those as well (
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC
As far as I know, you must have a FCC sticker to be in compliance. Does your home brew unit have a sticker? Thanks Mike On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Scott Carullo wrote: > > Ok... so back to original dilemma... > > I take a XR5, the precise antenna they certified with this radio card, a > RB411 and hook it all up and use it myself within FCC RF guidelines. > > Criminal or law abiding citizen... > > Scott Carullo > Brevard Wireless > 321-205-1100 x102 > > Original Message > > From: "Jack Unger" > > Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 3:47 PM > > To: "e...@wisp-router.com" , "WISPA General List" > > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC > > > > My view is that once certified with a specific antenna then a system is > > legal with any antenna of similar type (panel, yagi, etc.) of equal of > > lesser gain. Anybody can make the decision to substitute a similar type > > but lower gain antenna. I ran this by the FCC last year and they > > confirmed it. Again, the original system must have already been > certified > > > > Eje Gustafsson wrote: > > > Only the manufacturer listed on the certificate can make that decision. > The > > > rules states that antenna of similar type in same or lower gain is > certified > > > but it's only the manufacturer that can make that decision what is > > > considered similar type and there for approved to use with the unit. > > > > > > This is at least the feedback I gotten from the FCC testing lab I been > > > working with on getting radios certified. But if the radio manufacturer > say > > > it's ok to use a similar antenna by a different manufacturer but not > higher > > > gain then what was tested the it's ok. Of course any antenna that is > actual > > > listed on the certificate will always be approved as long it's the > same > > > model. > > > > > > / Eje > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On > > > Behalf Of Mike Hammett > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 2:23 PM > > > To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List > > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC > > > > > > That was some ruling passed a few years ago that really freed the > markets > > > up. Certify with the largest panel, omni, parabolic dish, etc. you can > get > > > to pass and anything in those groups is fair game. > > > > > > > > > - > > > Mike Hammett > > > Intelligent Computing Solutions > > > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > From: "Scott Carullo" > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 1:24 PM > > > To: "Matt Liotta" ; > > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC > > > > > > > > >> I've been told personally by an FCC testing lab that I can take a XR5 > > > >> which > > >> has been tested with say a 23db panel antenna (with FCC) and use the > same > > >> gain antenna or less for myself and would not have to have it > certified > > >> again... They told me not to get it tested because I didn't need to > > >> because Ubiquity already part certified it on that type antenna. > > >> > > >> If this is an argument we will never resolve I can live with that, but > I > > >> am > > >> fairly sure with the resources on this list we can come to a final > > >> conclusion based on facts and I think we should. > > >> > > >> Scott Carullo > > >> Brevard Wireless > > >> 321-205-1100 x102 > > >> > > >> Original Message > > >> > > >>> From: "Matt Liotta" > > >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 1:52 PM > > >>> To: "sc...@brevardwireless.com" , "WISPA > > >>> > > >> General List" > > >> > > >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC > > >>> > > >>> On May 12, 2009, at 1:25 PM, Scott Carullo wrote: > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>> Eje Gustafsson says this is not the case or elsewhen I buy a > minipci > > >>>> wireless card for my laptop it would be illegal... > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>> This h
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC
All depends on who the FCC had deputized, it sounds like :) Randy Scott Carullo wrote: > Ok... so back to original dilemma... > > I take a XR5, the precise antenna they certified with this radio card, a > RB411 and hook it all up and use it myself within FCC RF guidelines. > > Criminal or law abiding citizen... > > Scott Carullo > Brevard Wireless > 321-205-1100 x102 > > Original Message > >> From: "Jack Unger" >> Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 3:47 PM >> To: "e...@wisp-router.com" , "WISPA General List" >> > > >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC >> >> My view is that once certified with a specific antenna then a system is >> legal with any antenna of similar type (panel, yagi, etc.) of equal of >> lesser gain. Anybody can make the decision to substitute a similar type >> but lower gain antenna. I ran this by the FCC last year and they >> confirmed it. Again, the original system must have already been >> > certified > >> Eje Gustafsson wrote: >> >>> Only the manufacturer listed on the certificate can make that decision. >>> > The > >>> rules states that antenna of similar type in same or lower gain is >>> > certified > >>> but it's only the manufacturer that can make that decision what is >>> considered similar type and there for approved to use with the unit. >>> >>> This is at least the feedback I gotten from the FCC testing lab I been >>> working with on getting radios certified. But if the radio manufacturer >>> > say > >>> it's ok to use a similar antenna by a different manufacturer but not >>> > higher > >>> gain then what was tested the it's ok. Of course any antenna that is >>> > actual > >>> listed on the certificate will always be approved as long it's the >>> > same > >>> model. >>> >>> / Eje >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>> > On > >>> Behalf Of Mike Hammett >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 2:23 PM >>> To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC >>> >>> That was some ruling passed a few years ago that really freed the >>> > markets > >>> up. Certify with the largest panel, omni, parabolic dish, etc. you can >>> > get > >>> to pass and anything in those groups is fair game. >>> >>> >>> - >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>> http://www.ics-il.com >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> From: "Scott Carullo" >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 1:24 PM >>> To: "Matt Liotta" ; >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC >>> >>> >>> >>>> I've been told personally by an FCC testing lab that I can take a XR5 >>>> > > >>>> which >>>> has been tested with say a 23db panel antenna (with FCC) and use the >>>> > same > >>>> gain antenna or less for myself and would not have to have it >>>> > certified > >>>> again... They told me not to get it tested because I didn't need to >>>> because Ubiquity already part certified it on that type antenna. >>>> >>>> If this is an argument we will never resolve I can live with that, but >>>> > I > >>>> am >>>> fairly sure with the resources on this list we can come to a final >>>> conclusion based on facts and I think we should. >>>> >>>> Scott Carullo >>>> Brevard Wireless >>>> 321-205-1100 x102 >>>> >>>> Original Message >>>> >>>> >>>>> From: "Matt Liotta" >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 1:52 PM >>>>> To: "sc...@brevardwireless.com" , "WISPA >>>>> >>>>> >>>> General List" >>>> >>>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC >>>>>
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC
Ok... so back to original dilemma... I take a XR5, the precise antenna they certified with this radio card, a RB411 and hook it all up and use it myself within FCC RF guidelines. Criminal or law abiding citizen... Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message > From: "Jack Unger" > Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 3:47 PM > To: "e...@wisp-router.com" , "WISPA General List" > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC > > My view is that once certified with a specific antenna then a system is > legal with any antenna of similar type (panel, yagi, etc.) of equal of > lesser gain. Anybody can make the decision to substitute a similar type > but lower gain antenna. I ran this by the FCC last year and they > confirmed it. Again, the original system must have already been certified > > Eje Gustafsson wrote: > > Only the manufacturer listed on the certificate can make that decision. The > > rules states that antenna of similar type in same or lower gain is certified > > but it's only the manufacturer that can make that decision what is > > considered similar type and there for approved to use with the unit. > > > > This is at least the feedback I gotten from the FCC testing lab I been > > working with on getting radios certified. But if the radio manufacturer say > > it's ok to use a similar antenna by a different manufacturer but not higher > > gain then what was tested the it's ok. Of course any antenna that is actual > > listed on the certificate will always be approved as long it's the same > > model. > > > > / Eje > > > > -Original Message- > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > > Behalf Of Mike Hammett > > Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 2:23 PM > > To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC > > > > That was some ruling passed a few years ago that really freed the markets > > up. Certify with the largest panel, omni, parabolic dish, etc. you can get > > to pass and anything in those groups is fair game. > > > > > > - > > Mike Hammett > > Intelligent Computing Solutions > > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > > > > > -- > > From: "Scott Carullo" > > Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 1:24 PM > > To: "Matt Liotta" ; > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC > > > > > >> I've been told personally by an FCC testing lab that I can take a XR5 > >> which > >> has been tested with say a 23db panel antenna (with FCC) and use the same > >> gain antenna or less for myself and would not have to have it certified > >> again... They told me not to get it tested because I didn't need to > >> because Ubiquity already part certified it on that type antenna. > >> > >> If this is an argument we will never resolve I can live with that, but I > >> am > >> fairly sure with the resources on this list we can come to a final > >> conclusion based on facts and I think we should. > >> > >> Scott Carullo > >> Brevard Wireless > >> 321-205-1100 x102 > >> > >> Original Message > >> > >>> From: "Matt Liotta" > >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 1:52 PM > >>> To: "sc...@brevardwireless.com" , "WISPA > >>> > >> General List" > >> > >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC > >>> > >>> On May 12, 2009, at 1:25 PM, Scott Carullo wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>> Eje Gustafsson says this is not the case or elsewhen I buy a minipci > >>>> wireless card for my laptop it would be illegal... > >>>> > >>>> > >>> This has been discussed at length. No matter how many times someone > >>> makes the laptop argument it doesn't change the fact that the FCC > >>> disagrees with that argument. Now someone could pay an attorney to > >>> argue with the FCC and get them to clarify the situation. Until that > >>> time the system certification requirement stands. > >>> > >>> -Matt > >>> > > > > -- > Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. > Author - "Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs" > Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 > www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 ju
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC
My view is that once certified with a specific antenna then a system is legal with any antenna of similar type (panel, yagi, etc.) of equal of lesser gain. Anybody can make the decision to substitute a similar type but lower gain antenna. I ran this by the FCC last year and they confirmed it. Again, the original system must have already been certified Eje Gustafsson wrote: > Only the manufacturer listed on the certificate can make that decision. The > rules states that antenna of similar type in same or lower gain is certified > but it's only the manufacturer that can make that decision what is > considered similar type and there for approved to use with the unit. > > This is at least the feedback I gotten from the FCC testing lab I been > working with on getting radios certified. But if the radio manufacturer say > it's ok to use a similar antenna by a different manufacturer but not higher > gain then what was tested the it's ok. Of course any antenna that is actual > listed on the certificate will always be approved as long it's the same > model. > > / Eje > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Mike Hammett > Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 2:23 PM > To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC > > That was some ruling passed a few years ago that really freed the markets > up. Certify with the largest panel, omni, parabolic dish, etc. you can get > to pass and anything in those groups is fair game. > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > ---------- > From: "Scott Carullo" > Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 1:24 PM > To: "Matt Liotta" ; > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC > > >> I've been told personally by an FCC testing lab that I can take a XR5 >> which >> has been tested with say a 23db panel antenna (with FCC) and use the same >> gain antenna or less for myself and would not have to have it certified >> again... They told me not to get it tested because I didn't need to >> because Ubiquity already part certified it on that type antenna. >> >> If this is an argument we will never resolve I can live with that, but I >> am >> fairly sure with the resources on this list we can come to a final >> conclusion based on facts and I think we should. >> >> Scott Carullo >> Brevard Wireless >> 321-205-1100 x102 >> >> Original Message >> >>> From: "Matt Liotta" >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 1:52 PM >>> To: "sc...@brevardwireless.com" , "WISPA >>> >> General List" >> >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC >>> >>> On May 12, 2009, at 1:25 PM, Scott Carullo wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Eje Gustafsson says this is not the case or elsewhen I buy a minipci >>>> wireless card for my laptop it would be illegal... >>>> >>>> >>> This has been discussed at length. No matter how many times someone >>> makes the laptop argument it doesn't change the fact that the FCC >>> disagrees with that argument. Now someone could pay an attorney to >>> argue with the FCC and get them to clarify the situation. Until that >>> time the system certification requirement stands. >>> >>> -Matt >>> > -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author - "Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs" Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com "Email spam is just the latest way of asking for "Forgiveness" instead of asking for "Permission". WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC
Now that makes sense __ Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Harold Bledsoe Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 12:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC The Contains FCC ID: PPD-AR5BXB63 means that the laptop contains a certified module. EEEPC or whoever the manufacturer is, still had to get a Declaration of Conformity covering the laptop, module, likely peripherals, and AC adapter. What they didn't have to do is get a new full certification for the system. Just a DoC. A DoC still requires a lab test but it is cheaper than a full cert. -Hal On Tue, 2009-05-12 at 12:08 -0700, Jerry Richardson wrote: > Maybe this will clear things up (or muddy the waters) > > I am looking at the bottom of my EEEPC which has a FCC ID: > PPD-AR5BXB63 (Atheros 802.11B/G) which refers to: > https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode > =E > xhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=141428&fcc > _i > d=%27PPD-AR5BXB63%27 > > In the Test Report neither EEEPC or ASUS are mentioned. The test was > performed on a external jig on an HP laptop with a 3dB dipole. > > Next I looked up a Ubiquty SR71 card: > https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode > =E > xhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=287610&fcc > _i > d=%27SWX-SR71%27. > > Again, the test was done an external jig on a different model HP laptop. > The Antenna Info sheet includes a 32Db pac wireless dish, a 5dB 2.4 > omni, 17dB 2.4 panel (not sector), and a 21dB 5.8 panel (not sector). > > Based on this I conclude that I can use any certified radio in my > computer (routerboard) as long as I do not use an antenna that is not > type certified. I need to put the FCC ID of the radio(s) on the > outside of the case so that an inspector does not need to open the > unit to obtain it. > > Thoughts? Comments? > > __ > Jerry Richardson > airCloud Communications > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On Behalf Of Scott Carullo > Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 11:24 AM > To: Matt Liotta; wireless@wispa.org > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC > > > I've been told personally by an FCC testing lab that I can take a XR5 > which has been tested with say a 23db panel antenna (with FCC) and use > the same gain antenna or less for myself and would not have to have it > certified again... They told me not to get it tested because I didn't > need to because Ubiquity already part certified it on that type antenna. > > If this is an argument we will never resolve I can live with that, but > I am fairly sure with the resources on this list we can come to a > final conclusion based on facts and I think we should. > > Scott Carullo > Brevard Wireless > 321-205-1100 x102 > > Original Message > > From: "Matt Liotta" > > Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 1:52 PM > > To: "sc...@brevardwireless.com" , "WISPA > General List" > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC > > > > On May 12, 2009, at 1:25 PM, Scott Carullo wrote: > > > > > > > > Eje Gustafsson says this is not the case or elsewhen I buy a > > > minipci > > > > wireless card for my laptop it would be illegal... > > > > > This has been discussed at length. No matter how many times someone > > makes the laptop argument it doesn't change the fact that the FCC > > disagrees with that argument. Now someone could pay an attorney to > > argue with the FCC and get them to clarify the situation. Until that > > time the system certification requirement stands. > > > > -Matt > > > > > -- > -- > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > -- > -- > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > -- > -- > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > -- > -- > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@w
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC
Only the manufacturer listed on the certificate can make that decision. The rules states that antenna of similar type in same or lower gain is certified but it's only the manufacturer that can make that decision what is considered similar type and there for approved to use with the unit. This is at least the feedback I gotten from the FCC testing lab I been working with on getting radios certified. But if the radio manufacturer say it's ok to use a similar antenna by a different manufacturer but not higher gain then what was tested the it's ok. Of course any antenna that is actual listed on the certificate will always be approved as long it's the same model. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 2:23 PM To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC That was some ruling passed a few years ago that really freed the markets up. Certify with the largest panel, omni, parabolic dish, etc. you can get to pass and anything in those groups is fair game. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Scott Carullo" Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 1:24 PM To: "Matt Liotta" ; Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC > > I've been told personally by an FCC testing lab that I can take a XR5 > which > has been tested with say a 23db panel antenna (with FCC) and use the same > gain antenna or less for myself and would not have to have it certified > again... They told me not to get it tested because I didn't need to > because Ubiquity already part certified it on that type antenna. > > If this is an argument we will never resolve I can live with that, but I > am > fairly sure with the resources on this list we can come to a final > conclusion based on facts and I think we should. > > Scott Carullo > Brevard Wireless > 321-205-1100 x102 > > Original Message >> From: "Matt Liotta" >> Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 1:52 PM >> To: "sc...@brevardwireless.com" , "WISPA > General List" >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC >> >> On May 12, 2009, at 1:25 PM, Scott Carullo wrote: >> >> > >> > Eje Gustafsson says this is not the case or elsewhen I buy a minipci >> > wireless card for my laptop it would be illegal... >> > >> This has been discussed at length. No matter how many times someone >> makes the laptop argument it doesn't change the fact that the FCC >> disagrees with that argument. Now someone could pay an attorney to >> argue with the FCC and get them to clarify the situation. Until that >> time the system certification requirement stands. >> >> -Matt > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC
The Contains FCC ID: PPD-AR5BXB63 means that the laptop contains a certified module. EEEPC or whoever the manufacturer is, still had to get a Declaration of Conformity covering the laptop, module, likely peripherals, and AC adapter. What they didn't have to do is get a new full certification for the system. Just a DoC. A DoC still requires a lab test but it is cheaper than a full cert. -Hal On Tue, 2009-05-12 at 12:08 -0700, Jerry Richardson wrote: > Maybe this will clear things up (or muddy the waters) > > I am looking at the bottom of my EEEPC which has a FCC ID: PPD-AR5BXB63 > (Atheros 802.11B/G) which refers to: > https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=E > xhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=141428&fcc_i > d=%27PPD-AR5BXB63%27 > > In the Test Report neither EEEPC or ASUS are mentioned. The test was > performed on a external jig on an HP laptop with a 3dB dipole. > > Next I looked up a Ubiquty SR71 card: > https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=E > xhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=287610&fcc_i > d=%27SWX-SR71%27. > > Again, the test was done an external jig on a different model HP laptop. > The Antenna Info sheet includes a 32Db pac wireless dish, a 5dB 2.4 > omni, 17dB 2.4 panel (not sector), and a 21dB 5.8 panel (not sector). > > Based on this I conclude that I can use any certified radio in my > computer (routerboard) as long as I do not use an antenna that is not > type certified. I need to put the FCC ID of the radio(s) on the outside > of the case so that an inspector does not need to open the unit to > obtain it. > > Thoughts? Comments? > > __ > Jerry Richardson > airCloud Communications > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Scott Carullo > Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 11:24 AM > To: Matt Liotta; wireless@wispa.org > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC > > > I've been told personally by an FCC testing lab that I can take a XR5 > which has been tested with say a 23db panel antenna (with FCC) and use > the same gain antenna or less for myself and would not have to have it > certified again... They told me not to get it tested because I didn't > need to because Ubiquity already part certified it on that type antenna. > > If this is an argument we will never resolve I can live with that, but I > am fairly sure with the resources on this list we can come to a final > conclusion based on facts and I think we should. > > Scott Carullo > Brevard Wireless > 321-205-1100 x102 > > Original Message > > From: "Matt Liotta" > > Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 1:52 PM > > To: "sc...@brevardwireless.com" , "WISPA > General List" > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC > > > > On May 12, 2009, at 1:25 PM, Scott Carullo wrote: > > > > > > > > Eje Gustafsson says this is not the case or elsewhen I buy a minipci > > > > wireless card for my laptop it would be illegal... > > > > > This has been discussed at length. No matter how many times someone > > makes the laptop argument it doesn't change the fact that the FCC > > disagrees with that argument. Now someone could pay an attorney to > > argue with the FCC and get them to clarify the situation. Until that > > time the system certification requirement stands. > > > > -Matt > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC
This been debated in circles many times with many people with seemingly valid parts on both side. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Jerry Richardson" Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 2:08 PM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC > Maybe this will clear things up (or muddy the waters) > > I am looking at the bottom of my EEEPC which has a FCC ID: PPD-AR5BXB63 > (Atheros 802.11B/G) which refers to: > https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=E > xhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=141428&fcc_i > d=%27PPD-AR5BXB63%27 > > In the Test Report neither EEEPC or ASUS are mentioned. The test was > performed on a external jig on an HP laptop with a 3dB dipole. > > Next I looked up a Ubiquty SR71 card: > https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=E > xhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=287610&fcc_i > d=%27SWX-SR71%27. > > Again, the test was done an external jig on a different model HP laptop. > The Antenna Info sheet includes a 32Db pac wireless dish, a 5dB 2.4 > omni, 17dB 2.4 panel (not sector), and a 21dB 5.8 panel (not sector). > > Based on this I conclude that I can use any certified radio in my > computer (routerboard) as long as I do not use an antenna that is not > type certified. I need to put the FCC ID of the radio(s) on the outside > of the case so that an inspector does not need to open the unit to > obtain it. > > Thoughts? Comments? > > __ > Jerry Richardson > airCloud Communications > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Scott Carullo > Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 11:24 AM > To: Matt Liotta; wireless@wispa.org > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC > > > I've been told personally by an FCC testing lab that I can take a XR5 > which has been tested with say a 23db panel antenna (with FCC) and use > the same gain antenna or less for myself and would not have to have it > certified again... They told me not to get it tested because I didn't > need to because Ubiquity already part certified it on that type antenna. > > If this is an argument we will never resolve I can live with that, but I > am fairly sure with the resources on this list we can come to a final > conclusion based on facts and I think we should. > > Scott Carullo > Brevard Wireless > 321-205-1100 x102 > > Original Message >> From: "Matt Liotta" >> Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 1:52 PM >> To: "sc...@brevardwireless.com" , "WISPA > General List" >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC >> >> On May 12, 2009, at 1:25 PM, Scott Carullo wrote: >> >> > >> > Eje Gustafsson says this is not the case or elsewhen I buy a minipci > >> > wireless card for my laptop it would be illegal... >> > >> This has been discussed at length. No matter how many times someone >> makes the laptop argument it doesn't change the fact that the FCC >> disagrees with that argument. Now someone could pay an attorney to >> argue with the FCC and get them to clarify the situation. Until that >> time the system certification requirement stands. >> >> -Matt > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC
That was some ruling passed a few years ago that really freed the markets up. Certify with the largest panel, omni, parabolic dish, etc. you can get to pass and anything in those groups is fair game. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Scott Carullo" Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 1:24 PM To: "Matt Liotta" ; Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC > > I've been told personally by an FCC testing lab that I can take a XR5 > which > has been tested with say a 23db panel antenna (with FCC) and use the same > gain antenna or less for myself and would not have to have it certified > again... They told me not to get it tested because I didn't need to > because Ubiquity already part certified it on that type antenna. > > If this is an argument we will never resolve I can live with that, but I > am > fairly sure with the resources on this list we can come to a final > conclusion based on facts and I think we should. > > Scott Carullo > Brevard Wireless > 321-205-1100 x102 > > Original Message >> From: "Matt Liotta" >> Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 1:52 PM >> To: "sc...@brevardwireless.com" , "WISPA > General List" >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC >> >> On May 12, 2009, at 1:25 PM, Scott Carullo wrote: >> >> > >> > Eje Gustafsson says this is not the case or elsewhen I buy a minipci >> > wireless card for my laptop it would be illegal... >> > >> This has been discussed at length. No matter how many times someone >> makes the laptop argument it doesn't change the fact that the FCC >> disagrees with that argument. Now someone could pay an attorney to >> argue with the FCC and get them to clarify the situation. Until that >> time the system certification requirement stands. >> >> -Matt > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC
Maybe this will clear things up (or muddy the waters) I am looking at the bottom of my EEEPC which has a FCC ID: PPD-AR5BXB63 (Atheros 802.11B/G) which refers to: https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=E xhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=141428&fcc_i d=%27PPD-AR5BXB63%27 In the Test Report neither EEEPC or ASUS are mentioned. The test was performed on a external jig on an HP laptop with a 3dB dipole. Next I looked up a Ubiquty SR71 card: https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=E xhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=287610&fcc_i d=%27SWX-SR71%27. Again, the test was done an external jig on a different model HP laptop. The Antenna Info sheet includes a 32Db pac wireless dish, a 5dB 2.4 omni, 17dB 2.4 panel (not sector), and a 21dB 5.8 panel (not sector). Based on this I conclude that I can use any certified radio in my computer (routerboard) as long as I do not use an antenna that is not type certified. I need to put the FCC ID of the radio(s) on the outside of the case so that an inspector does not need to open the unit to obtain it. Thoughts? Comments? __ Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Carullo Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 11:24 AM To: Matt Liotta; wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC I've been told personally by an FCC testing lab that I can take a XR5 which has been tested with say a 23db panel antenna (with FCC) and use the same gain antenna or less for myself and would not have to have it certified again... They told me not to get it tested because I didn't need to because Ubiquity already part certified it on that type antenna. If this is an argument we will never resolve I can live with that, but I am fairly sure with the resources on this list we can come to a final conclusion based on facts and I think we should. Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message > From: "Matt Liotta" > Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 1:52 PM > To: "sc...@brevardwireless.com" , "WISPA General List" > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC > > On May 12, 2009, at 1:25 PM, Scott Carullo wrote: > > > > > Eje Gustafsson says this is not the case or elsewhen I buy a minipci > > wireless card for my laptop it would be illegal... > > > This has been discussed at length. No matter how many times someone > makes the laptop argument it doesn't change the fact that the FCC > disagrees with that argument. Now someone could pay an attorney to > argue with the FCC and get them to clarify the situation. Until that > time the system certification requirement stands. > > -Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC
On May 12, 2009, at 2:24 PM, Scott Carullo wrote: > > I've been told personally by an FCC testing lab that I can take a > XR5 which > has been tested with say a 23db panel antenna (with FCC) and use the > same > gain antenna or less for myself and would not have to have it > certified > again... They told me not to get it tested because I didn't need to > because Ubiquity already part certified it on that type antenna. > You are mixing issues. The ability to change antennas is different than system certification. If you had a system that was certified with one antenna you could change the antenna to something of similar type with the same or less gain without an issue. But, the system itself must certified. > If this is an argument we will never resolve I can live with that, > but I am > fairly sure with the resources on this list we can come to a final > conclusion based on facts and I think we should. > This list is filled with resources that will tell you what you don't want to hear and another group that will tell you want you do want to hear. None of that matters. What you need to do is assume the worst case or get your specific case approved by the FCC. In other words, what you want will not work and you cannot do it until the FCC gives you written approval. -Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC
I've been told personally by an FCC testing lab that I can take a XR5 which has been tested with say a 23db panel antenna (with FCC) and use the same gain antenna or less for myself and would not have to have it certified again... They told me not to get it tested because I didn't need to because Ubiquity already part certified it on that type antenna. If this is an argument we will never resolve I can live with that, but I am fairly sure with the resources on this list we can come to a final conclusion based on facts and I think we should. Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message > From: "Matt Liotta" > Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 1:52 PM > To: "sc...@brevardwireless.com" , "WISPA General List" > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC > > On May 12, 2009, at 1:25 PM, Scott Carullo wrote: > > > > > Eje Gustafsson says this is not the case or elsewhen I buy a minipci > > wireless card for my laptop it would be illegal... > > > This has been discussed at length. No matter how many times someone > makes the laptop argument it doesn't change the fact that the FCC > disagrees with that argument. Now someone could pay an attorney to > argue with the FCC and get them to clarify the situation. Until that > time the system certification requirement stands. > > -Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC
If that's true then it's illegal for me to buy a RB411, a XR5, an enclosure and put it together myself? If that's true why do they sell all that stuff without disclaimers? Am I supposed to put this stuff together and then go through a certification process? Greg On May 12, 2009, at 1:12 PM, Dennis Burgess - Linktechs wrote: > Scott, Thats not the case, you have to have the Mikrotik FCC > Sticker etc.. > > To your questions. > > 1. Nope > 2. Nope. > > > * --- > Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer > WISPA Board Member - wispa.org <http://www.wispa.org/> > Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services > WISPA Vendor Member* > *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net > <http://www.linktechs.net/> > */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/* > <http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp> > > The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by > the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is > intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which > it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, > or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by > persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is > prohibited, If you > received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the > material from any computer. > > > > > > Scott Carullo wrote: >> Randy, >> >> Dumb question If you are a wisp what would be the motivation to >> certify a "kit"? >> >> Its been clearly stated that you can take the RB, a radio card and >> stick it >> in an enclosure and use it to your hearts content legally per FCC / >> UL >> rules. Why would anyone do anything other than just use the parts >> - except >> if you are reselling the gear... I think that's where you run into >> the >> issue of having to have the whole system certified vs just buying >> and using >> the parts. >> >> Is that correct? lol sorry to be such a pita but I'd like some >> definitive >> answers just once so I can put this to bed... >> >> Questions I ask myself... >> >> 1) Ok, Its legal and perfectly accepted for me to buy a RB411, a >> XR5, a >> PoE-24i, an ARC 5Ghz Gen 2 Enclosure put it all together and use it >> for my >> on network or customers all day long every day (assuming I'm legal >> power, >> correct bands etc)... >> True or False >> >> 2) Assuming #1 above is True - I cannot sell this equipment as a >> Brevard >> Wireless Model 500 ptp radio bridge on the retail market without >> getting >> the whole system certified as a "kit" including all parts, >> documentation, >> power supplies etc... >> True or False >> >> 3) If #1 and #2 above are both true, I'm clear thanks conversation >> over. >> If either one is false we have a lot more to talk about... >> >> Scott Carullo >> Brevard Wireless >> 321-205-1100 x102 >> >> Original Message >> >>> From: "Dennis Burgess - Linktechs" >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 12:08 PM >>> To: "WISPA General List" >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC >>> >>> I belive you must purchase hardware directly from MT to be a >>> >> distributor. >> >>> * --- >>> Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer >>> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org <http://www.wispa.org/> >>> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services >>> WISPA Vendor Member* >>> *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net >>> <http://www.linktechs.net/> >>> */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/* >>> <http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp> >>> >>> The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by >>> the >>> >> Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is >> intended >> only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which >> >>> it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged >>> material. >>> >> Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or >> taking of any >> action in reliance upon, this information by per
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC
On Tue, 2009-05-12 at 13:02 -0400, Scott Carullo wrote: > Its been clearly stated that you can take the RB, a radio card and stick it > in an enclosure and use it to your hearts content legally per FCC / UL > rules. The trouble with that approach is that it isn't legal. In order to be legal, it has to have the sticker. Having said that, all that is required in order to get a sticker is one of 2 things: 1. Buy a system that is built by a distributor and stickered. 2. Build a system and take it to a certification lab and pay the price to get YOUR system certified. There is, unfortunately, no shortcut or third option. This has been discussed at length on this (and many other) list. There are, in the rules, several areas that are not clear. It is this grey area that is the source of various opinions. However, the above 2 options really are your only choices. > 1) Ok, Its legal and perfectly accepted for me to buy a RB411, a XR5, a > PoE-24i, an ARC 5Ghz Gen 2 Enclosure put it all together and use it for my > on network or customers all day long every day (assuming I'm legal power, > correct bands etc)... > True or False False. First, the combinations that MT has certified include the R52 and nearly any Pac Wireless antenna. There are, also, some antennas from Poynting that are (from my understanding) certified. While I personally disagree that you can use these component certifications legally, it appears that MT and several distributors are calling these FCC certified systems. They may be correct in doing so. According to Eje and his experience with the certification lab, this approach IS acceptable. If he is correct, then you can choose option number 1 above and be legal. > 2) Assuming #1 above is True - I cannot sell this equipment as a Brevard > Wireless Model 500 ptp radio bridge on the retail market without getting > the whole system certified as a "kit" including all parts, documentation, > power supplies etc... > True or False This is not a relevant question. The system that is stickered with Mikrotik's FCC Certification is only available from a Mikrotik Distributor. That is the point that Dennis was making. The particular wording he used left a lot of room for misinterpretation and was not completely correct because of that, however the point is that with the MT sticker, you can ONLY get that from a Mikrotik distributor as a system. (FWIW, I can help you with that, too.) -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * WISPA Board Member * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC
On May 12, 2009, at 1:25 PM, Scott Carullo wrote: > > Eje Gustafsson says this is not the case or elsewhen I buy a minipci > wireless card for my laptop it would be illegal... > This has been discussed at length. No matter how many times someone makes the laptop argument it doesn't change the fact that the FCC disagrees with that argument. Now someone could pay an attorney to argue with the FCC and get them to clarify the situation. Until that time the system certification requirement stands. -Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC
I read the rules a few years ago because of the laptop question. My understanding is: if the SBC is Part B compliant if the radio board is certified with the antenna it is OK. Which, I believe, is what Eje said. Scott Carullo wrote: > Eje Gustafsson says this is not the case or elsewhen I buy a minipci > wireless card for my laptop it would be illegal... > > You guys please come to conclusion so we can move to #2 > > Scott Carullo > Brevard Wireless > 321-205-1100 x102 > > Original Message > >> From: "Dennis Burgess - Linktechs" >> Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 1:13 PM >> To: "sc...@brevardwireless.com" , "WISPA >> > General List" > >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC >> >> Scott, Thats not the case, you have to have the Mikrotik FCC Sticker >> > etc.. > >> To your questions. >> >> 1. Nope >> 2. Nope. >> >> >> * --- >> Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer >> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org <http://www.wispa.org/> >> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services >> WISPA Vendor Member* >> *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net >> <http://www.linktechs.net/> >> */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/* >> <http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp> >> >> The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the >> > Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended > only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which > >> it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. >> > Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any > action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than > the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you > >> received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material >> > from any computer. > >> >> >> >> >> Scott Carullo wrote: >> >>> Randy, >>> >>> Dumb question If you are a wisp what would be the motivation to >>> certify a "kit"? >>> >>> Its been clearly stated that you can take the RB, a radio card and >>> > stick it > >>> in an enclosure and use it to your hearts content legally per FCC / UL >>> > > >>> rules. Why would anyone do anything other than just use the parts - >>> > except > >>> if you are reselling the gear... I think that's where you run into the >>> > > >>> issue of having to have the whole system certified vs just buying and >>> > using > >>> the parts. >>> >>> Is that correct? lol sorry to be such a pita but I'd like some >>> > definitive > >>> answers just once so I can put this to bed... >>> >>> Questions I ask myself... >>> >>> 1) Ok, Its legal and perfectly accepted for me to buy a RB411, a XR5, a >>> > > >>> PoE-24i, an ARC 5Ghz Gen 2 Enclosure put it all together and use it for >>> > my > >>> on network or customers all day long every day (assuming I'm legal >>> > power, > >>> correct bands etc)... >>> True or False >>> >>> 2) Assuming #1 above is True - I cannot sell this equipment as a >>> > Brevard > >>> Wireless Model 500 ptp radio bridge on the retail market without >>> > getting > >>> the whole system certified as a "kit" including all parts, >>> > documentation, > >>> power supplies etc... >>> True or False >>> >>> 3) If #1 and #2 above are both true, I'm clear thanks conversation >>> > over. > >>> If either one is false we have a lot more to talk about... >>> >>> Scott Carullo >>> Brevard Wireless >>> 321-205-1100 x102 >>> >>> Original Message >>> >>> >>>> From: "Dennis Burgess - Linktechs" >>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 12:08 PM >>>> To: "WISPA General List" >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC >>>> >>>> I belive you must purchase hardware
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC
Eje Gustafsson says this is not the case or elsewhen I buy a minipci wireless card for my laptop it would be illegal... You guys please come to conclusion so we can move to #2 Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message > From: "Dennis Burgess - Linktechs" > Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 1:13 PM > To: "sc...@brevardwireless.com" , "WISPA General List" > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC > > Scott, Thats not the case, you have to have the Mikrotik FCC Sticker etc.. > > To your questions. > > 1. Nope > 2. Nope. > > > * --- > Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer > WISPA Board Member - wispa.org <http://www.wispa.org/> > Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services > WISPA Vendor Member* > *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net > <http://www.linktechs.net/> > */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/* > <http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp> > > The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which > it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you > received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. > > > > > > Scott Carullo wrote: > > Randy, > > > > Dumb question If you are a wisp what would be the motivation to > > certify a "kit"? > > > > Its been clearly stated that you can take the RB, a radio card and stick it > > in an enclosure and use it to your hearts content legally per FCC / UL > > rules. Why would anyone do anything other than just use the parts - except > > if you are reselling the gear... I think that's where you run into the > > issue of having to have the whole system certified vs just buying and using > > the parts. > > > > Is that correct? lol sorry to be such a pita but I'd like some definitive > > answers just once so I can put this to bed... > > > > Questions I ask myself... > > > > 1) Ok, Its legal and perfectly accepted for me to buy a RB411, a XR5, a > > PoE-24i, an ARC 5Ghz Gen 2 Enclosure put it all together and use it for my > > on network or customers all day long every day (assuming I'm legal power, > > correct bands etc)... > > True or False > > > > 2) Assuming #1 above is True - I cannot sell this equipment as a Brevard > > Wireless Model 500 ptp radio bridge on the retail market without getting > > the whole system certified as a "kit" including all parts, documentation, > > power supplies etc... > > True or False > > > > 3) If #1 and #2 above are both true, I'm clear thanks conversation over. > > If either one is false we have a lot more to talk about... > > > > Scott Carullo > > Brevard Wireless > > 321-205-1100 x102 > > > > Original Message > > > >> From: "Dennis Burgess - Linktechs" > >> Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 12:08 PM > >> To: "WISPA General List" > >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC > >> > >> I belive you must purchase hardware directly from MT to be a > >> > > distributor. > > > >> * --- > >> Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer > >> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org <http://www.wispa.org/> > >> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services > >> WISPA Vendor Member* > >> *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net > >> <http://www.linktechs.net/> > >> */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/* > >> <http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp> > >> > >> The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the > >> > > Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended > > only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which > > > >> it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. > >> > > Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of a
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC
Scott, Thats not the case, you have to have the Mikrotik FCC Sticker etc.. To your questions. 1. Nope 2. Nope. * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org <http://www.wispa.org/> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net <http://www.linktechs.net/> */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/* <http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp> The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Scott Carullo wrote: > Randy, > > Dumb question If you are a wisp what would be the motivation to > certify a "kit"? > > Its been clearly stated that you can take the RB, a radio card and stick it > in an enclosure and use it to your hearts content legally per FCC / UL > rules. Why would anyone do anything other than just use the parts - except > if you are reselling the gear... I think that's where you run into the > issue of having to have the whole system certified vs just buying and using > the parts. > > Is that correct? lol sorry to be such a pita but I'd like some definitive > answers just once so I can put this to bed... > > Questions I ask myself... > > 1) Ok, Its legal and perfectly accepted for me to buy a RB411, a XR5, a > PoE-24i, an ARC 5Ghz Gen 2 Enclosure put it all together and use it for my > on network or customers all day long every day (assuming I'm legal power, > correct bands etc)... > True or False > > 2) Assuming #1 above is True - I cannot sell this equipment as a Brevard > Wireless Model 500 ptp radio bridge on the retail market without getting > the whole system certified as a "kit" including all parts, documentation, > power supplies etc... > True or False > > 3) If #1 and #2 above are both true, I'm clear thanks conversation over. > If either one is false we have a lot more to talk about... > > Scott Carullo > Brevard Wireless > 321-205-1100 x102 > > ---- Original Message > >> From: "Dennis Burgess - Linktechs" >> Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 12:08 PM >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC >> >> I belive you must purchase hardware directly from MT to be a >> > distributor. > >> * --- >> Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer >> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org <http://www.wispa.org/> >> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services >> WISPA Vendor Member* >> *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net >> <http://www.linktechs.net/> >> */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/* >> <http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp> >> >> The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the >> > Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended > only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which > >> it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. >> > Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any > action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than > the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you > >> received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material >> > from any computer. > >> >> >> >> >> Randy Cosby wrote: >> >>> Can we clarify what a "distributor" is, and what a "reseller" is as far >>> > > >>> as Mikrotik is concerned for this program? Can a wisp (are they >>> resellers?) get permission from Mikrotik to certify a kit? Where can >>> > we > >>> find out more on this? Are there distributors who will do on behalf of >>> > > >>> a wisp? >>> >>> Randy >>> >>> >>> Mike Delp wrote: >>> >>> >>>>
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC
Thanks Scott. I'd like to see this all clarified as well. Guess I must have read things differently than you and was not as certain that the answers were definitive. Randy Scott Carullo wrote: > Randy, > > Dumb question If you are a wisp what would be the motivation to > certify a "kit"? > > Its been clearly stated that you can take the RB, a radio card and stick it > in an enclosure and use it to your hearts content legally per FCC / UL > rules. Why would anyone do anything other than just use the parts - except > if you are reselling the gear... I think that's where you run into the > issue of having to have the whole system certified vs just buying and using > the parts. > > Is that correct? lol sorry to be such a pita but I'd like some definitive > answers just once so I can put this to bed... > > Questions I ask myself... > > 1) Ok, Its legal and perfectly accepted for me to buy a RB411, a XR5, a > PoE-24i, an ARC 5Ghz Gen 2 Enclosure put it all together and use it for my > on network or customers all day long every day (assuming I'm legal power, > correct bands etc)... > True or False > > 2) Assuming #1 above is True - I cannot sell this equipment as a Brevard > Wireless Model 500 ptp radio bridge on the retail market without getting > the whole system certified as a "kit" including all parts, documentation, > power supplies etc... > True or False > > 3) If #1 and #2 above are both true, I'm clear thanks conversation over. > If either one is false we have a lot more to talk about... > > Scott Carullo > Brevard Wireless > 321-205-1100 x102 > > Original Message ---- > >> From: "Dennis Burgess - Linktechs" >> Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 12:08 PM >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC >> >> I belive you must purchase hardware directly from MT to be a >> > distributor. > >> * --- >> Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer >> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org <http://www.wispa.org/> >> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services >> WISPA Vendor Member* >> *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net >> <http://www.linktechs.net/> >> */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/* >> <http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp> >> >> The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the >> > Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended > only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which > >> it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. >> > Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any > action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than > the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you > >> received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material >> > from any computer. > >> >> >> >> >> Randy Cosby wrote: >> >>> Can we clarify what a "distributor" is, and what a "reseller" is as far >>> > > >>> as Mikrotik is concerned for this program? Can a wisp (are they >>> resellers?) get permission from Mikrotik to certify a kit? Where can >>> > we > >>> find out more on this? Are there distributors who will do on behalf of >>> > > >>> a wisp? >>> >>> Randy >>> >>> >>> Mike Delp wrote: >>> >>> >>>> I think that what Dennis was trying to say is. You have to be a >>>> > Mikrotik > >>>> Distributor, and follow their documentation to be able to use their >>>> > lab > >>>> testing certification. Distributors are effectively MT agents using >>>> > their > >>>> already completed certification testing. Anyone can take some parts >>>> > and > >>>> have them lab tested and certified as a system. Mikrotik has already >>>> > gone > >>>> through the expense of testing in a lab, and they have a program to >>>> > make > >>>> these certifications available from the distributors. So, there is a >>>> difference in having parts listed as certified, and having a complete >&g
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC
Randy, Dumb question If you are a wisp what would be the motivation to certify a "kit"? Its been clearly stated that you can take the RB, a radio card and stick it in an enclosure and use it to your hearts content legally per FCC / UL rules. Why would anyone do anything other than just use the parts - except if you are reselling the gear... I think that's where you run into the issue of having to have the whole system certified vs just buying and using the parts. Is that correct? lol sorry to be such a pita but I'd like some definitive answers just once so I can put this to bed... Questions I ask myself... 1) Ok, Its legal and perfectly accepted for me to buy a RB411, a XR5, a PoE-24i, an ARC 5Ghz Gen 2 Enclosure put it all together and use it for my on network or customers all day long every day (assuming I'm legal power, correct bands etc)... True or False 2) Assuming #1 above is True - I cannot sell this equipment as a Brevard Wireless Model 500 ptp radio bridge on the retail market without getting the whole system certified as a "kit" including all parts, documentation, power supplies etc... True or False 3) If #1 and #2 above are both true, I'm clear thanks conversation over. If either one is false we have a lot more to talk about... Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message > From: "Dennis Burgess - Linktechs" > Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 12:08 PM > To: "WISPA General List" > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC > > I belive you must purchase hardware directly from MT to be a distributor. > > * --- > Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer > WISPA Board Member - wispa.org <http://www.wispa.org/> > Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services > WISPA Vendor Member* > *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net > <http://www.linktechs.net/> > */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/* > <http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp> > > The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which > it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you > received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. > > > > > > Randy Cosby wrote: > > Can we clarify what a "distributor" is, and what a "reseller" is as far > > as Mikrotik is concerned for this program? Can a wisp (are they > > resellers?) get permission from Mikrotik to certify a kit? Where can we > > find out more on this? Are there distributors who will do on behalf of > > a wisp? > > > > Randy > > > > > > Mike Delp wrote: > > > >> I think that what Dennis was trying to say is. You have to be a Mikrotik > >> Distributor, and follow their documentation to be able to use their lab > >> testing certification. Distributors are effectively MT agents using their > >> already completed certification testing. Anyone can take some parts and > >> have them lab tested and certified as a system. Mikrotik has already gone > >> through the expense of testing in a lab, and they have a program to make > >> these certifications available from the distributors. So, there is a > >> difference in having parts listed as certified, and having a complete system > >> with a sticker on it. The sticker makes it complete. > >> > >> Thanks > >> > >> Mike > >> > >> On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 7:27 PM, Scott Carullo wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>> I'm pretty sure the FCC and the testing labs don't care who you are or > >>> where you buy your stuff... thats not what they are looking for. Example > >>> - I choose to take 4 parts (some mikrotik) and get them certified - I > >>> can Do you see this differently? > >>> > >>> Scott Carullo > >>> Brevard Wireless > >>> 321-205-1100 x102 > >>> > >>> Original Message > >>> > >>> > >>>> From: "Dennis Burgess - Linktechs" > >>>> Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 3:43 PM > >>>> To: "WISPA General L
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC
You have to buy your product directly from Mikrotik, and the minimum order is 10,000/month Thanks Mike On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 10:46 AM, Randy Cosby wrote: > Can we clarify what a "distributor" is, and what a "reseller" is as far > as Mikrotik is concerned for this program? Can a wisp (are they > resellers?) get permission from Mikrotik to certify a kit? Where can we > find out more on this? Are there distributors who will do on behalf of > a wisp? > > Randy > > > Mike Delp wrote: > > I think that what Dennis was trying to say is. You have to be a Mikrotik > > Distributor, and follow their documentation to be able to use their lab > > testing certification. Distributors are effectively MT agents using > their > > already completed certification testing. Anyone can take some parts and > > have them lab tested and certified as a system. Mikrotik has already gone > > through the expense of testing in a lab, and they have a program to make > > these certifications available from the distributors. So, there is a > > difference in having parts listed as certified, and having a complete > system > > with a sticker on it. The sticker makes it complete. > > > > Thanks > > > > Mike > > > > On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 7:27 PM, Scott Carullo < > sc...@brevardwireless.com>wrote: > > > > > >> I'm pretty sure the FCC and the testing labs don't care who you are or > >> where you buy your stuff... thats not what they are looking for. > Example > >> - I choose to take 4 parts (some mikrotik) and get them certified - I > >> can Do you see this differently? > >> > >> Scott Carullo > >> Brevard Wireless > >> 321-205-1100 x102 > >> > >> Original Message > >> > >>> From: "Dennis Burgess - Linktechs" > >>> Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 3:43 PM > >>> To: "WISPA General List" > >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC > >>> > >>> First, you have to be a distributor of MT to be able to certify. It has > >>> to be a certified system, as well has to have all of the images, text > >>> etc on it as well. You can only get those if you are a MT distributor. > >>> > >>> * --- > >>> Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer > >>> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org <http://www.wispa.org/> > >>> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services > >>> WISPA Vendor Member* > >>> *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net > >>> <http://www.linktechs.net/> > >>> */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/* > >>> <http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp> > >>> > >>> The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the > >>> > >> Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended > >> only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which > >> > >>> it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. > >>> > >> Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of > any > >> action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other > than > >> the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you > >> > >>> received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the > material > >>> > >> from any computer. > >> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Randy Cosby wrote: > >>> > >>>> Can you explain what you mean by "certified" then? What does that > >>>> entail other than just putting together a board, antenna and radio > that > >>>> > >>>> are fcc certified? Do you have the entire unit tested and certified, > >>>> > >> or > >> > >>>> do yo see that as not necessary? > >>>> > >>>> Randy > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Eje Gustafsson wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> Cross roads are certified with the entire Pacific Wireless line of > >>>>> > >> antennas. > >> > >>>>> R52 is certified with most of those as well (if not all). You can > also > >>>>> > >> use > >> > >>>>> XR2/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC
I belive you must purchase hardware directly from MT to be a distributor. * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org <http://www.wispa.org/> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net <http://www.linktechs.net/> */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/* <http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp> The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Randy Cosby wrote: > Can we clarify what a "distributor" is, and what a "reseller" is as far > as Mikrotik is concerned for this program? Can a wisp (are they > resellers?) get permission from Mikrotik to certify a kit? Where can we > find out more on this? Are there distributors who will do on behalf of > a wisp? > > Randy > > > Mike Delp wrote: > >> I think that what Dennis was trying to say is. You have to be a Mikrotik >> Distributor, and follow their documentation to be able to use their lab >> testing certification. Distributors are effectively MT agents using their >> already completed certification testing. Anyone can take some parts and >> have them lab tested and certified as a system. Mikrotik has already gone >> through the expense of testing in a lab, and they have a program to make >> these certifications available from the distributors. So, there is a >> difference in having parts listed as certified, and having a complete system >> with a sticker on it. The sticker makes it complete. >> >> Thanks >> >> Mike >> >> On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 7:27 PM, Scott Carullo >> wrote: >> >> >> >>> I'm pretty sure the FCC and the testing labs don't care who you are or >>> where you buy your stuff... thats not what they are looking for. Example >>> - I choose to take 4 parts (some mikrotik) and get them certified - I >>> can Do you see this differently? >>> >>> Scott Carullo >>> Brevard Wireless >>> 321-205-1100 x102 >>> >>> Original Message >>> >>> >>>> From: "Dennis Burgess - Linktechs" >>>> Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 3:43 PM >>>> To: "WISPA General List" >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC >>>> >>>> First, you have to be a distributor of MT to be able to certify. It has >>>> to be a certified system, as well has to have all of the images, text >>>> etc on it as well. You can only get those if you are a MT distributor. >>>> >>>> * --- >>>> Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer >>>> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org <http://www.wispa.org/> >>>> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services >>>> WISPA Vendor Member* >>>> *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net >>>> <http://www.linktechs.net/> >>>> */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/* >>>> <http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp> >>>> >>>> The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the >>>> >>>> >>> Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended >>> only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which >>> >>> >>>> it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. >>>> >>>> >>> Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any >>> action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than >>> the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you >>> >>> >>>> received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material >>>> >>>> >>> from any computer. >>> >>> >>&
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC
Can we clarify what a "distributor" is, and what a "reseller" is as far as Mikrotik is concerned for this program? Can a wisp (are they resellers?) get permission from Mikrotik to certify a kit? Where can we find out more on this? Are there distributors who will do on behalf of a wisp? Randy Mike Delp wrote: > I think that what Dennis was trying to say is. You have to be a Mikrotik > Distributor, and follow their documentation to be able to use their lab > testing certification. Distributors are effectively MT agents using their > already completed certification testing. Anyone can take some parts and > have them lab tested and certified as a system. Mikrotik has already gone > through the expense of testing in a lab, and they have a program to make > these certifications available from the distributors. So, there is a > difference in having parts listed as certified, and having a complete system > with a sticker on it. The sticker makes it complete. > > Thanks > > Mike > > On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 7:27 PM, Scott Carullo > wrote: > > >> I'm pretty sure the FCC and the testing labs don't care who you are or >> where you buy your stuff... thats not what they are looking for. Example >> - I choose to take 4 parts (some mikrotik) and get them certified - I >> can Do you see this differently? >> >> Scott Carullo >> Brevard Wireless >> 321-205-1100 x102 >> >> Original Message ---- >> >>> From: "Dennis Burgess - Linktechs" >>> Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 3:43 PM >>> To: "WISPA General List" >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC >>> >>> First, you have to be a distributor of MT to be able to certify. It has >>> to be a certified system, as well has to have all of the images, text >>> etc on it as well. You can only get those if you are a MT distributor. >>> >>> * --- >>> Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer >>> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org <http://www.wispa.org/> >>> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services >>> WISPA Vendor Member* >>> *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net >>> <http://www.linktechs.net/> >>> */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/* >>> <http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp> >>> >>> The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the >>> >> Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended >> only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which >> >>> it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. >>> >> Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any >> action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than >> the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you >> >>> received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material >>> >> from any computer. >> >>> >>> >>> >>> Randy Cosby wrote: >>> >>>> Can you explain what you mean by "certified" then? What does that >>>> entail other than just putting together a board, antenna and radio that >>>> >>>> are fcc certified? Do you have the entire unit tested and certified, >>>> >> or >> >>>> do yo see that as not necessary? >>>> >>>> Randy >>>> >>>> >>>> Eje Gustafsson wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Cross roads are certified with the entire Pacific Wireless line of >>>>> >> antennas. >> >>>>> R52 is certified with most of those as well (if not all). You can also >>>>> >> use >> >>>>> XR2/5 cards in RB SBC's. >>>>> >>>>> There are other solutions as well. >>>>> >>>>> We offer some certified pre built solutions more to come. >>>>> >>>>> / Eje Gustafsson >>>>> CTO >>>>> WISP-Router, Inc. >>>>> >>>>> -Original Message- >>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>>>> >> On >> >>>>> Behalf Of
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC
I think that what Dennis was trying to say is. You have to be a Mikrotik Distributor, and follow their documentation to be able to use their lab testing certification. Distributors are effectively MT agents using their already completed certification testing. Anyone can take some parts and have them lab tested and certified as a system. Mikrotik has already gone through the expense of testing in a lab, and they have a program to make these certifications available from the distributors. So, there is a difference in having parts listed as certified, and having a complete system with a sticker on it. The sticker makes it complete. Thanks Mike On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 7:27 PM, Scott Carullo wrote: > > I'm pretty sure the FCC and the testing labs don't care who you are or > where you buy your stuff... thats not what they are looking for. Example > - I choose to take 4 parts (some mikrotik) and get them certified - I > can Do you see this differently? > > Scott Carullo > Brevard Wireless > 321-205-1100 x102 > > Original Message > > From: "Dennis Burgess - Linktechs" > > Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 3:43 PM > > To: "WISPA General List" > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC > > > > First, you have to be a distributor of MT to be able to certify. It has > > to be a certified system, as well has to have all of the images, text > > etc on it as well. You can only get those if you are a MT distributor. > > > > * --- > > Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer > > WISPA Board Member - wispa.org <http://www.wispa.org/> > > Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services > > WISPA Vendor Member* > > *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net > > <http://www.linktechs.net/> > > */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/* > > <http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp> > > > > The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the > Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended > only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which > > it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. > Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any > action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than > the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you > > received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material > from any computer. > > > > > > > > > > > > Randy Cosby wrote: > > > Can you explain what you mean by "certified" then? What does that > > > entail other than just putting together a board, antenna and radio that > > > > are fcc certified? Do you have the entire unit tested and certified, > or > > > do yo see that as not necessary? > > > > > > Randy > > > > > > > > > Eje Gustafsson wrote: > > > > > >> Cross roads are certified with the entire Pacific Wireless line of > antennas. > > >> R52 is certified with most of those as well (if not all). You can also > use > > >> XR2/5 cards in RB SBC's. > > >> > > >> There are other solutions as well. > > >> > > >> We offer some certified pre built solutions more to come. > > >> > > >> / Eje Gustafsson > > >> CTO > > >> WISP-Router, Inc. > > >> > > >> -Original Message- > > >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On > > >> Behalf Of Randy Cosby > > >> Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 1:56 PM > > >> To: WISPA General List > > >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC > > >> > > >> Old thread, but just curious where this has progressed. I've seen > that > > >> JeffSoHoCo has "certified" gear. Is that based on the same Mikrotik > > >> program you describe here Mac? Is that information available from > > >> Mikrotik to any reseller? > > >> > > >> Randy > > >> > > >> > > >> Mac Dearman wrote: > > >> > > >> > > >>> Word on the FCC certified gear is that they are working with USA > based > > >>> resellers to get them up to speed to offer certified gear. It's all > in the > > >>> paperwork at this point in time and we all know that the devil is in > the > > >>> paperwork. It is
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC
Thanks for sharing all the info you have on this subject... I appreciate your time. Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message > From: "e...@wisp-router.com" > Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 1:04 AM > To: "WISPA General List" > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC > > On another note. To do a FCC certification of a radio it's not just to do the testing. Either you have to have approval from the original certifier to reuse their cert filing to create a new FCC id to which you add your antennas that been tested. Or you have to have a lot of documentation such as block diagram, electrical schematics and bill of material which you can not just make up and the radio manufacturer will not just hand over to you because that is pretty much the entire blue print to recreate the radio and of course they do not want just about anyone to have this info. > > MikroTik allows as you point out their resellers and dists to get their FCC approved labels (for their radios) to be attached to MikroTik (and FCC certified) approved solutions their resellers put together. Important to keep in mind when getting a FCC certification a label design have to be submitted and approved by the FCC. > > I been directly involved with e-zy.net to get their radios certified working directly with the FCC lab. I initially as well helped MikroTik with their first few full certified units (crossroads and R52's). So know what is required as well the time and costs to get it done. So I'm not just making up things doing this I learned way more about part 15 and class B devices as well intentional transmitters then I ever really wanted to know. > > /Eje > CTO > WISP-Router, Inc. > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > > -Original Message- > From: Butch Evans > > Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 23:32:09 > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC > > > On Mon, 2009-05-11 at 22:18 -0500, Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs wrote: > > Yes, you can not certify the radios, MT wants the distributors to build > > and certify them. If you build them, they won't be certified. > > If Mikrotik has done the Part B certification for the boards, then your > statement is not correct. Anyone CAN pay a certification lab for any > combination of gear to be certified. Whether the lab certifies it or > not isn't up to Mikrotik. > > What you cannot do is use the Mikrotik FCC stickers unless MT sells them > to you or allows you to apply them to a combination that they have > certified. > > -- > > * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* > * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * > * http://www.wispa.org/ * WISPA Board Member * > * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC
On another note. To do a FCC certification of a radio it's not just to do the testing. Either you have to have approval from the original certifier to reuse their cert filing to create a new FCC id to which you add your antennas that been tested. Or you have to have a lot of documentation such as block diagram, electrical schematics and bill of material which you can not just make up and the radio manufacturer will not just hand over to you because that is pretty much the entire blue print to recreate the radio and of course they do not want just about anyone to have this info. MikroTik allows as you point out their resellers and dists to get their FCC approved labels (for their radios) to be attached to MikroTik (and FCC certified) approved solutions their resellers put together. Important to keep in mind when getting a FCC certification a label design have to be submitted and approved by the FCC. I been directly involved with e-zy.net to get their radios certified working directly with the FCC lab. I initially as well helped MikroTik with their first few full certified units (crossroads and R52's). So know what is required as well the time and costs to get it done. So I'm not just making up things doing this I learned way more about part 15 and class B devices as well intentional transmitters then I ever really wanted to know. /Eje CTO WISP-Router, Inc. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Butch Evans Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 23:32:09 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC On Mon, 2009-05-11 at 22:18 -0500, Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs wrote: > Yes, you can not certify the radios, MT wants the distributors to build > and certify them. If you build them, they won't be certified. If Mikrotik has done the Part B certification for the boards, then your statement is not correct. Anyone CAN pay a certification lab for any combination of gear to be certified. Whether the lab certifies it or not isn't up to Mikrotik. What you cannot do is use the Mikrotik FCC stickers unless MT sells them to you or allows you to apply them to a combination that they have certified. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * WISPA Board Member * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC
On Mon, 2009-05-11 at 22:18 -0500, Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs wrote: > Yes, you can not certify the radios, MT wants the distributors to build > and certify them. If you build them, they won't be certified. If Mikrotik has done the Part B certification for the boards, then your statement is not correct. Anyone CAN pay a certification lab for any combination of gear to be certified. Whether the lab certifies it or not isn't up to Mikrotik. What you cannot do is use the Mikrotik FCC stickers unless MT sells them to you or allows you to apply them to a combination that they have certified. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * WISPA Board Member * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC
Yes, you can not certify the radios, MT wants the distributors to build and certify them. If you build them, they won't be certified. -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org <http://www.wispa.org/> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net <http://www.linktechs.net/> */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training <http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp>/* Scott Carullo wrote: > I'm pretty sure the FCC and the testing labs don't care who you are or > where you buy your stuff... thats not what they are looking for. Example > - I choose to take 4 parts (some mikrotik) and get them certified - I > can Do you see this differently? > > Scott Carullo > Brevard Wireless > 321-205-1100 x102 > > Original Message > >> From: "Dennis Burgess - Linktechs" >> Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 3:43 PM >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC >> >> First, you have to be a distributor of MT to be able to certify. It has >> to be a certified system, as well has to have all of the images, text >> etc on it as well. You can only get those if you are a MT distributor. >> >> * --- >> Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer >> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org <http://www.wispa.org/> >> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services >> WISPA Vendor Member* >> *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net >> <http://www.linktechs.net/> >> */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/* >> <http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp> >> >> The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the >> > Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended > only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which > >> it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. >> > Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any > action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than > the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you > >> received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material >> > from any computer. > >> >> >> >> >> Randy Cosby wrote: >> >>> Can you explain what you mean by "certified" then? What does that >>> entail other than just putting together a board, antenna and radio that >>> > > >>> are fcc certified? Do you have the entire unit tested and certified, >>> > or > >>> do yo see that as not necessary? >>> >>> Randy >>> >>> >>> Eje Gustafsson wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Cross roads are certified with the entire Pacific Wireless line of >>>> > antennas. > >>>> R52 is certified with most of those as well (if not all). You can also >>>> > use > >>>> XR2/5 cards in RB SBC's. >>>> >>>> There are other solutions as well. >>>> >>>> We offer some certified pre built solutions more to come. >>>> >>>> / Eje Gustafsson >>>> CTO >>>> WISP-Router, Inc. >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>>> > On > >>>> Behalf Of Randy Cosby >>>> Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 1:56 PM >>>> To: WISPA General List >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC >>>> >>>> Old thread, but just curious where this has progressed. I've seen >>>> > that > >>>> JeffSoHoCo has "certified" gear. Is that based on the same Mikrotik >>>> program you describe here Mac? Is that information available from >>>> Mikrotik to any reseller? >>>> >>>> Randy >>>> >>>> >>>> Mac Dearman wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Word on the FCC certified gear is that they are working with USA >>>>> > based > >>>>> resellers to get them up to speed to offer certified gear. It&#
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC
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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC
I'm pretty sure the FCC and the testing labs don't care who you are or where you buy your stuff... thats not what they are looking for. Example - I choose to take 4 parts (some mikrotik) and get them certified - I can Do you see this differently? Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message > From: "Dennis Burgess - Linktechs" > Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 3:43 PM > To: "WISPA General List" > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC > > First, you have to be a distributor of MT to be able to certify. It has > to be a certified system, as well has to have all of the images, text > etc on it as well. You can only get those if you are a MT distributor. > > * --- > Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer > WISPA Board Member - wispa.org <http://www.wispa.org/> > Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services > WISPA Vendor Member* > *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net > <http://www.linktechs.net/> > */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/* > <http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp> > > The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which > it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you > received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. > > > > > > Randy Cosby wrote: > > Can you explain what you mean by "certified" then? What does that > > entail other than just putting together a board, antenna and radio that > > are fcc certified? Do you have the entire unit tested and certified, or > > do yo see that as not necessary? > > > > Randy > > > > > > Eje Gustafsson wrote: > > > >> Cross roads are certified with the entire Pacific Wireless line of antennas. > >> R52 is certified with most of those as well (if not all). You can also use > >> XR2/5 cards in RB SBC's. > >> > >> There are other solutions as well. > >> > >> We offer some certified pre built solutions more to come. > >> > >> / Eje Gustafsson > >> CTO > >> WISP-Router, Inc. > >> > >> -Original Message- > >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > >> Behalf Of Randy Cosby > >> Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 1:56 PM > >> To: WISPA General List > >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC > >> > >> Old thread, but just curious where this has progressed. I've seen that > >> JeffSoHoCo has "certified" gear. Is that based on the same Mikrotik > >> program you describe here Mac? Is that information available from > >> Mikrotik to any reseller? > >> > >> Randy > >> > >> > >> Mac Dearman wrote: > >> > >> > >>> Word on the FCC certified gear is that they are working with USA based > >>> resellers to get them up to speed to offer certified gear. It's all in the > >>> paperwork at this point in time and we all know that the devil is in the > >>> paperwork. It is on its way from what I understand and should be readily > >>> available in the near future. > >>> > >>> > >>> Mac > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>> -Original Message- > >>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > >>>> Behalf Of Mike Hammett > >>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 8:12 PM > >>>> To: WISPA General List > >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC > >>>> > >>>> Mikrotik has the Crossroads device out now. Not sure on anyone else. > >>>> I > >>>> think Mikrotik developing their own certified CPE shut down everyone > >>>> else. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Mike Hammett > >>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions > >>>> http://www.ics-il.com > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> - O
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC
We have a number of FCC certified Mikrotik systems (not all on the site yet). We also have been through the approval process with the RUS for one of our customers to get reimbursed for Mikrotik products that we sold them. We are also an approved contractor for installation of the gear. I have a copy of the approval letter from the RUS and the customer has been reimbursed for the gear and installation. We must sell complete systems with antennas using the components that are certified as a system and label them in our shop only after testing. Jim Patient http://jeffcosoho.com Randy Cosby wrote: > Old thread, but just curious where this has progressed. I've seen that > JeffSoHoCo has "certified" gear. Is that based on the same Mikrotik > program you describe here Mac? Is that information available from > Mikrotik to any reseller? > > Randy > > > Mac Dearman wrote: > >> Word on the FCC certified gear is that they are working with USA based >> resellers to get them up to speed to offer certified gear. It's all in the >> paperwork at this point in time and we all know that the devil is in the >> paperwork. It is on its way from what I understand and should be readily >> available in the near future. >> >> >> Mac >> >> >> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>> Behalf Of Mike Hammett >>> Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 8:12 PM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC >>> >>> Mikrotik has the Crossroads device out now. Not sure on anyone else. >>> I >>> think Mikrotik developing their own certified CPE shut down everyone >>> else. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>> http://www.ics-il.com >>> >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Travis Johnson" >>> To: ; "WISPA General List" >>> >>> Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 6:37 PM >>> Subject: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I thought a little while ago someone was talking about someone that >>>> >>>> >>> was >>> >>> >>>> working on making an FCC certified Mikrotik solution (RB532, etc.). >>>> >>>> >>> Does >>> >>> >>>> anyone know the status on this or if it was even real? >>>> >>>> Travis >>>> Microserv >>>> >>>> >>>> - >>>> >>>> >>> --- >>> >>> >>>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>>> - >>>> >>>> >>> --- >>> >>> >>>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>>> >>>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>>> >>>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> --- >>> - >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> --- >>> - >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> >> > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC
Eje, I think you misunderstood my post. But you did answer it with appropriate info that I was looking for. Thanks for clarifying that RB SBCs had "Class B" FCC certification. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Eje Gustafsson" To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC > This is not true. Or else every minipci card would have to be tested and > certified with every single laptop they are being installed into. A SBC or > a > laptop motherboard is a class B regulated device. If it passes the class B > compliance testing your allowed to installed any FCC certified transmitter > into said board be it a Wi-Fi card (mini-pci, pc card, pc express card) or > for that matter a telcom modem card of any formfactor. > When it comes to computer hardware FCC relaxed the regulations years back > to > have the Class B type devices that are self compliance testing to allow > computer manufactures to market and sell computers without having to type > certify the entire solution as it once used to be. This created the > computer > industry as we know it today where you can buy any motherboard, case, > powersupply, video card etc that are each class B type certified (where > appropriate required) and assemble into a complete solution and get a FCC > certified telcom modem or Wi-Fi card and install it into the unit without > requiring a FCC certification of the entire solution. > > If they had not allowed this easing of regulations every DIY computer guy, > every small computer sales and repair shop in the US would daily violate > the > FCC regulations. > > A SBC board after all is a miniature all in on motherboard. > > / Eje Gustafsson > CTO > WISP-Router, Inc. > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Tom DeReggi > Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 2:52 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC > > There are multiple ways to certify equipment, which have different > requirements. > The new trend is to certify the card with the antenna, just like you were > buying a certified wifi card off Best Buy's shelf, intending to install it > in your thrid party laptop. > However, we all know, by FCC's original intent, for full wireless system > certification, the main board and Case are a relevent factor to > establishing > > what the RF is comming out of a system. > Without a case being defined, and voltage being defined, its pretty hard > to > determine, what the radiating RF outcome would be, unless the mainboard on > its own. > What also needs certification is "Specific Main Board, in Specific Case", > before a wireless card is even injected to the equation, because we are > then > > looking at the interference the mainboard can put out on its own. Anyway, > my point here is not to lobby for "FCC Certification", just wondering what > Enclosures the RBs have been tested in, and verified clean via a spectrum > analyzer. > This can be done indpendantly of the FCC, by anyone that has an analyzer. > > Tom DeReggi > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > > - Original Message - > From: "Randy Cosby" > To: ; "WISPA General List" > Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 3:13 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC > > >> Can you explain what you mean by "certified" then? What does that >> entail other than just putting together a board, antenna and radio that >> are fcc certified? Do you have the entire unit tested and certified, or >> do yo see that as not necessary? >> >> Randy >> >> >> Eje Gustafsson wrote: >>> Cross roads are certified with the entire Pacific Wireless line of >>> antennas. >>> R52 is certified with most of those as well (if not all). You can also >>> use >>> XR2/5 cards in RB SBC's. >>> >>> There are other solutions as well. >>> >>> We offer some certified pre built solutions more to come. >>> >>> / Eje Gustafsson >>> CTO >>> WISP-Router, Inc. >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>> Behalf Of Randy Cosby >>> Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 1:56 PM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC >>> >>> Old thread, but just curious where this has progressed. I've seen that >
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC
This is not true. Or else every minipci card would have to be tested and certified with every single laptop they are being installed into. A SBC or a laptop motherboard is a class B regulated device. If it passes the class B compliance testing your allowed to installed any FCC certified transmitter into said board be it a Wi-Fi card (mini-pci, pc card, pc express card) or for that matter a telcom modem card of any formfactor. When it comes to computer hardware FCC relaxed the regulations years back to have the Class B type devices that are self compliance testing to allow computer manufactures to market and sell computers without having to type certify the entire solution as it once used to be. This created the computer industry as we know it today where you can buy any motherboard, case, powersupply, video card etc that are each class B type certified (where appropriate required) and assemble into a complete solution and get a FCC certified telcom modem or Wi-Fi card and install it into the unit without requiring a FCC certification of the entire solution. If they had not allowed this easing of regulations every DIY computer guy, every small computer sales and repair shop in the US would daily violate the FCC regulations. A SBC board after all is a miniature all in on motherboard. / Eje Gustafsson CTO WISP-Router, Inc. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 2:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC There are multiple ways to certify equipment, which have different requirements. The new trend is to certify the card with the antenna, just like you were buying a certified wifi card off Best Buy's shelf, intending to install it in your thrid party laptop. However, we all know, by FCC's original intent, for full wireless system certification, the main board and Case are a relevent factor to establishing what the RF is comming out of a system. Without a case being defined, and voltage being defined, its pretty hard to determine, what the radiating RF outcome would be, unless the mainboard on its own. What also needs certification is "Specific Main Board, in Specific Case", before a wireless card is even injected to the equation, because we are then looking at the interference the mainboard can put out on its own. Anyway, my point here is not to lobby for "FCC Certification", just wondering what Enclosures the RBs have been tested in, and verified clean via a spectrum analyzer. This can be done indpendantly of the FCC, by anyone that has an analyzer. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Randy Cosby" To: ; "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 3:13 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC > Can you explain what you mean by "certified" then? What does that > entail other than just putting together a board, antenna and radio that > are fcc certified? Do you have the entire unit tested and certified, or > do yo see that as not necessary? > > Randy > > > Eje Gustafsson wrote: >> Cross roads are certified with the entire Pacific Wireless line of >> antennas. >> R52 is certified with most of those as well (if not all). You can also >> use >> XR2/5 cards in RB SBC's. >> >> There are other solutions as well. >> >> We offer some certified pre built solutions more to come. >> >> / Eje Gustafsson >> CTO >> WISP-Router, Inc. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Randy Cosby >> Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 1:56 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC >> >> Old thread, but just curious where this has progressed. I've seen that >> JeffSoHoCo has "certified" gear. Is that based on the same Mikrotik >> program you describe here Mac? Is that information available from >> Mikrotik to any reseller? >> >> Randy >> >> >> Mac Dearman wrote: >> >>> Word on the FCC certified gear is that they are working with USA based >>> resellers to get them up to speed to offer certified gear. It's all in >>> the >>> paperwork at this point in time and we all know that the devil is in the >>> paperwork. It is on its way from what I understand and should be readily >>> available in the near future. >>> >>> >>> Mac >>> >>> >>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>>> Behalf Of
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC
The SBC is a class B type device. Same thing as a computer motherboard or a video card. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Part_15_(FCC_rules)#B_-_Unintentional_radiators It's a component certification testing. No stipulations are placed on enclosure or other similar hardware. Basically it's a measurement of the device that it does not radiate above certain levels on certain frequencies and does not bleed signal onto the power grid above certain FCC specified levels. Part B is a manufacturer self compliance testing hence no FCC id but test report is needed to be supplied if requested by the FCC. The self compliance testing for the Routerboards are available at routerboard.com last time I checked (their website seems down at the moment). / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 3:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC Thanks for that answer. As usual, that brings up more questions for me. If I buy a Mikrotik RB411 card, it has an FCC logo on it, I assume because it passed some FCC radiation tests. However, I have no idea what enclosure that was tested in, if at all. Is there a place to look up this information? thanks, Randy Tom DeReggi wrote: > There are multiple ways to certify equipment, which have different > requirements. > The new trend is to certify the card with the antenna, just like you were > buying a certified wifi card off Best Buy's shelf, intending to install it > in your thrid party laptop. > However, we all know, by FCC's original intent, for full wireless system > certification, the main board and Case are a relevent factor to establishing > what the RF is comming out of a system. > Without a case being defined, and voltage being defined, its pretty hard to > determine, what the radiating RF outcome would be, unless the mainboard on > its own. > What also needs certification is "Specific Main Board, in Specific Case", > before a wireless card is even injected to the equation, because we are then > looking at the interference the mainboard can put out on its own. Anyway, > my point here is not to lobby for "FCC Certification", just wondering what > Enclosures the RBs have been tested in, and verified clean via a spectrum > analyzer. > This can be done indpendantly of the FCC, by anyone that has an analyzer. > > Tom DeReggi > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > > - Original Message - > From: "Randy Cosby" > To: ; "WISPA General List" > Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 3:13 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC > > > >> Can you explain what you mean by "certified" then? What does that >> entail other than just putting together a board, antenna and radio that >> are fcc certified? Do you have the entire unit tested and certified, or >> do yo see that as not necessary? >> >> Randy >> >> >> Eje Gustafsson wrote: >> >>> Cross roads are certified with the entire Pacific Wireless line of >>> antennas. >>> R52 is certified with most of those as well (if not all). You can also >>> use >>> XR2/5 cards in RB SBC's. >>> >>> There are other solutions as well. >>> >>> We offer some certified pre built solutions more to come. >>> >>> / Eje Gustafsson >>> CTO >>> WISP-Router, Inc. >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>> Behalf Of Randy Cosby >>> Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 1:56 PM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC >>> >>> Old thread, but just curious where this has progressed. I've seen that >>> JeffSoHoCo has "certified" gear. Is that based on the same Mikrotik >>> program you describe here Mac? Is that information available from >>> Mikrotik to any reseller? >>> >>> Randy >>> >>> >>> Mac Dearman wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Word on the FCC certified gear is that they are working with USA based >>>> resellers to get them up to speed to offer certified gear. It's all in >>>> the >>>> paperwork at this point in time and we all know that the devil is in the >>>> paperwork. It is on its way from what I understand and should be readily >>>> available in the near future. >>>> >>>> >>>> Mac >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>&g
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC
Thanks for that answer. As usual, that brings up more questions for me. If I buy a Mikrotik RB411 card, it has an FCC logo on it, I assume because it passed some FCC radiation tests. However, I have no idea what enclosure that was tested in, if at all. Is there a place to look up this information? thanks, Randy Tom DeReggi wrote: > There are multiple ways to certify equipment, which have different > requirements. > The new trend is to certify the card with the antenna, just like you were > buying a certified wifi card off Best Buy's shelf, intending to install it > in your thrid party laptop. > However, we all know, by FCC's original intent, for full wireless system > certification, the main board and Case are a relevent factor to establishing > what the RF is comming out of a system. > Without a case being defined, and voltage being defined, its pretty hard to > determine, what the radiating RF outcome would be, unless the mainboard on > its own. > What also needs certification is "Specific Main Board, in Specific Case", > before a wireless card is even injected to the equation, because we are then > looking at the interference the mainboard can put out on its own. Anyway, > my point here is not to lobby for "FCC Certification", just wondering what > Enclosures the RBs have been tested in, and verified clean via a spectrum > analyzer. > This can be done indpendantly of the FCC, by anyone that has an analyzer. > > Tom DeReggi > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > > - Original Message - > From: "Randy Cosby" > To: ; "WISPA General List" > Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 3:13 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC > > > >> Can you explain what you mean by "certified" then? What does that >> entail other than just putting together a board, antenna and radio that >> are fcc certified? Do you have the entire unit tested and certified, or >> do yo see that as not necessary? >> >> Randy >> >> >> Eje Gustafsson wrote: >> >>> Cross roads are certified with the entire Pacific Wireless line of >>> antennas. >>> R52 is certified with most of those as well (if not all). You can also >>> use >>> XR2/5 cards in RB SBC's. >>> >>> There are other solutions as well. >>> >>> We offer some certified pre built solutions more to come. >>> >>> / Eje Gustafsson >>> CTO >>> WISP-Router, Inc. >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>> Behalf Of Randy Cosby >>> Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 1:56 PM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC >>> >>> Old thread, but just curious where this has progressed. I've seen that >>> JeffSoHoCo has "certified" gear. Is that based on the same Mikrotik >>> program you describe here Mac? Is that information available from >>> Mikrotik to any reseller? >>> >>> Randy >>> >>> >>> Mac Dearman wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Word on the FCC certified gear is that they are working with USA based >>>> resellers to get them up to speed to offer certified gear. It's all in >>>> the >>>> paperwork at this point in time and we all know that the devil is in the >>>> paperwork. It is on its way from what I understand and should be readily >>>> available in the near future. >>>> >>>> >>>> Mac >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> -Original Message- >>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>>>> Behalf Of Mike Hammett >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 8:12 PM >>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC >>>>> >>>>> Mikrotik has the Crossroads device out now. Not sure on anyone else. >>>>> I >>>>> think Mikrotik developing their own certified CPE shut down everyone >>>>> else. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> - Original Message - >>>>> From: "Travis Johnson" >>>
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC
There are multiple ways to certify equipment, which have different requirements. The new trend is to certify the card with the antenna, just like you were buying a certified wifi card off Best Buy's shelf, intending to install it in your thrid party laptop. However, we all know, by FCC's original intent, for full wireless system certification, the main board and Case are a relevent factor to establishing what the RF is comming out of a system. Without a case being defined, and voltage being defined, its pretty hard to determine, what the radiating RF outcome would be, unless the mainboard on its own. What also needs certification is "Specific Main Board, in Specific Case", before a wireless card is even injected to the equation, because we are then looking at the interference the mainboard can put out on its own. Anyway, my point here is not to lobby for "FCC Certification", just wondering what Enclosures the RBs have been tested in, and verified clean via a spectrum analyzer. This can be done indpendantly of the FCC, by anyone that has an analyzer. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Randy Cosby" To: ; "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 3:13 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC > Can you explain what you mean by "certified" then? What does that > entail other than just putting together a board, antenna and radio that > are fcc certified? Do you have the entire unit tested and certified, or > do yo see that as not necessary? > > Randy > > > Eje Gustafsson wrote: >> Cross roads are certified with the entire Pacific Wireless line of >> antennas. >> R52 is certified with most of those as well (if not all). You can also >> use >> XR2/5 cards in RB SBC's. >> >> There are other solutions as well. >> >> We offer some certified pre built solutions more to come. >> >> / Eje Gustafsson >> CTO >> WISP-Router, Inc. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Randy Cosby >> Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 1:56 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC >> >> Old thread, but just curious where this has progressed. I've seen that >> JeffSoHoCo has "certified" gear. Is that based on the same Mikrotik >> program you describe here Mac? Is that information available from >> Mikrotik to any reseller? >> >> Randy >> >> >> Mac Dearman wrote: >> >>> Word on the FCC certified gear is that they are working with USA based >>> resellers to get them up to speed to offer certified gear. It's all in >>> the >>> paperwork at this point in time and we all know that the devil is in the >>> paperwork. It is on its way from what I understand and should be readily >>> available in the near future. >>> >>> >>> Mac >>> >>> >>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>>> Behalf Of Mike Hammett >>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 8:12 PM >>>> To: WISPA General List >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC >>>> >>>> Mikrotik has the Crossroads device out now. Not sure on anyone else. >>>> I >>>> think Mikrotik developing their own certified CPE shut down everyone >>>> else. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Mike Hammett >>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>> >>>> >>>> - Original Message - >>>> From: "Travis Johnson" >>>> To: ; "WISPA General List" >>>> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 6:37 PM >>>> Subject: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> I thought a little while ago someone was talking about someone that >>>>> >>>>> >>>> was >>>> >>>> >>>>> working on making an FCC certified Mikrotik solution (RB532, etc.). >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Does >>>> >>>> >>>>> anyone know the status on this or if it was even real? >>>>> &g
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC
So Mikrotik did the certification of the unit with the FCC then? Randy Dennis Burgess - Linktechs wrote: > First, you have to be a distributor of MT to be able to certify. It has > to be a certified system, as well has to have all of the images, text > etc on it as well. You can only get those if you are a MT distributor. > > * --- > Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer > WISPA Board Member - wispa.org <http://www.wispa.org/> > Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services > WISPA Vendor Member* > *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net > <http://www.linktechs.net/> > */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/* > <http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp> > > The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the > Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only > for the person(s) or entity/entities to which > it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any > review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any > action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than > the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you > received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material > from any computer. > > > > > > Randy Cosby wrote: > >> Can you explain what you mean by "certified" then? What does that >> entail other than just putting together a board, antenna and radio that >> are fcc certified? Do you have the entire unit tested and certified, or >> do yo see that as not necessary? >> >> Randy >> >> >> Eje Gustafsson wrote: >> >> >>> Cross roads are certified with the entire Pacific Wireless line of antennas. >>> R52 is certified with most of those as well (if not all). You can also use >>> XR2/5 cards in RB SBC's. >>> >>> There are other solutions as well. >>> >>> We offer some certified pre built solutions more to come. >>> >>> / Eje Gustafsson >>> CTO >>> WISP-Router, Inc. >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>> Behalf Of Randy Cosby >>> Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 1:56 PM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC >>> >>> Old thread, but just curious where this has progressed. I've seen that >>> JeffSoHoCo has "certified" gear. Is that based on the same Mikrotik >>> program you describe here Mac? Is that information available from >>> Mikrotik to any reseller? >>> >>> Randy >>> >>> >>> Mac Dearman wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> Word on the FCC certified gear is that they are working with USA based >>>> resellers to get them up to speed to offer certified gear. It's all in the >>>> paperwork at this point in time and we all know that the devil is in the >>>> paperwork. It is on its way from what I understand and should be readily >>>> available in the near future. >>>> >>>> >>>> Mac >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> -Original Message- >>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>>>> Behalf Of Mike Hammett >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 8:12 PM >>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC >>>>> >>>>> Mikrotik has the Crossroads device out now. Not sure on anyone else. >>>>> I >>>>> think Mikrotik developing their own certified CPE shut down everyone >>>>> else. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> - Original Message - >>>>> From: "Travis Johnson" >>>>> To: ; "WISPA General List" >>>>> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 6:37 PM >>>>> Subject: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> &g
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC
First, you have to be a distributor of MT to be able to certify. It has to be a certified system, as well has to have all of the images, text etc on it as well. You can only get those if you are a MT distributor. * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org <http://www.wispa.org/> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net <http://www.linktechs.net/> */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/* <http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp> The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Randy Cosby wrote: > Can you explain what you mean by "certified" then? What does that > entail other than just putting together a board, antenna and radio that > are fcc certified? Do you have the entire unit tested and certified, or > do yo see that as not necessary? > > Randy > > > Eje Gustafsson wrote: > >> Cross roads are certified with the entire Pacific Wireless line of antennas. >> R52 is certified with most of those as well (if not all). You can also use >> XR2/5 cards in RB SBC's. >> >> There are other solutions as well. >> >> We offer some certified pre built solutions more to come. >> >> / Eje Gustafsson >> CTO >> WISP-Router, Inc. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Randy Cosby >> Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 1:56 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC >> >> Old thread, but just curious where this has progressed. I've seen that >> JeffSoHoCo has "certified" gear. Is that based on the same Mikrotik >> program you describe here Mac? Is that information available from >> Mikrotik to any reseller? >> >> Randy >> >> >> Mac Dearman wrote: >> >> >>> Word on the FCC certified gear is that they are working with USA based >>> resellers to get them up to speed to offer certified gear. It's all in the >>> paperwork at this point in time and we all know that the devil is in the >>> paperwork. It is on its way from what I understand and should be readily >>> available in the near future. >>> >>> >>> Mac >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>>> Behalf Of Mike Hammett >>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 8:12 PM >>>> To: WISPA General List >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC >>>> >>>> Mikrotik has the Crossroads device out now. Not sure on anyone else. >>>> I >>>> think Mikrotik developing their own certified CPE shut down everyone >>>> else. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Mike Hammett >>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>> >>>> >>>> - Original Message - >>>> From: "Travis Johnson" >>>> To: ; "WISPA General List" >>>> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 6:37 PM >>>> Subject: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> I thought a little while ago someone was talking about someone that >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> was >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> working on making an FCC certified Mikrotik solution (RB532, etc.). >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Does >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> anyone know the status on this or if it was even
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC
Can you explain what you mean by "certified" then? What does that entail other than just putting together a board, antenna and radio that are fcc certified? Do you have the entire unit tested and certified, or do yo see that as not necessary? Randy Eje Gustafsson wrote: > Cross roads are certified with the entire Pacific Wireless line of antennas. > R52 is certified with most of those as well (if not all). You can also use > XR2/5 cards in RB SBC's. > > There are other solutions as well. > > We offer some certified pre built solutions more to come. > > / Eje Gustafsson > CTO > WISP-Router, Inc. > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Randy Cosby > Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 1:56 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC > > Old thread, but just curious where this has progressed. I've seen that > JeffSoHoCo has "certified" gear. Is that based on the same Mikrotik > program you describe here Mac? Is that information available from > Mikrotik to any reseller? > > Randy > > > Mac Dearman wrote: > >> Word on the FCC certified gear is that they are working with USA based >> resellers to get them up to speed to offer certified gear. It's all in the >> paperwork at this point in time and we all know that the devil is in the >> paperwork. It is on its way from what I understand and should be readily >> available in the near future. >> >> >> Mac >> >> >> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>> Behalf Of Mike Hammett >>> Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 8:12 PM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC >>> >>> Mikrotik has the Crossroads device out now. Not sure on anyone else. >>> I >>> think Mikrotik developing their own certified CPE shut down everyone >>> else. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>> http://www.ics-il.com >>> >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Travis Johnson" >>> To: ; "WISPA General List" >>> >>> Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 6:37 PM >>> Subject: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I thought a little while ago someone was talking about someone that >>>> >>>> >>> was >>> >>> >>>> working on making an FCC certified Mikrotik solution (RB532, etc.). >>>> >>>> >>> Does >>> >>> >>>> anyone know the status on this or if it was even real? >>>> >>>> Travis >>>> Microserv >>>> >>>> >>>> - >>>> >>>> >>> --- >>> >>> >>>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>>> - >>>> >>>> >>> --- >>> >>> >>>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>>> >>>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>>> >>>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> --- >>> - >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> --- >>> - >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> > > > >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> >> > > -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc work: 435-773-6071 email: rco...@infowest.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/randycosby WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC
Cross roads are certified with the entire Pacific Wireless line of antennas. R52 is certified with most of those as well (if not all). You can also use XR2/5 cards in RB SBC's. There are other solutions as well. We offer some certified pre built solutions more to come. / Eje Gustafsson CTO WISP-Router, Inc. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 1:56 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC Old thread, but just curious where this has progressed. I've seen that JeffSoHoCo has "certified" gear. Is that based on the same Mikrotik program you describe here Mac? Is that information available from Mikrotik to any reseller? Randy Mac Dearman wrote: > Word on the FCC certified gear is that they are working with USA based > resellers to get them up to speed to offer certified gear. It's all in the > paperwork at this point in time and we all know that the devil is in the > paperwork. It is on its way from what I understand and should be readily > available in the near future. > > > Mac > > >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Mike Hammett >> Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 8:12 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC >> >> Mikrotik has the Crossroads device out now. Not sure on anyone else. >> I >> think Mikrotik developing their own certified CPE shut down everyone >> else. >> >> >> -- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Travis Johnson" >> To: ; "WISPA General List" >> >> Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 6:37 PM >> Subject: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC >> >> >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I thought a little while ago someone was talking about someone that >>> >> was >> >>> working on making an FCC certified Mikrotik solution (RB532, etc.). >>> >> Does >> >>> anyone know the status on this or if it was even real? >>> >>> Travis >>> Microserv >>> >>> >>> - >>> >> --- >> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> - >>> >> --- >> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> >> >> --- >> - >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> --- >> - >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc work: 435-773-6071 email: rco...@infowest.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/randycosby WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC
Old thread, but just curious where this has progressed. I've seen that JeffSoHoCo has "certified" gear. Is that based on the same Mikrotik program you describe here Mac? Is that information available from Mikrotik to any reseller? Randy Mac Dearman wrote: > Word on the FCC certified gear is that they are working with USA based > resellers to get them up to speed to offer certified gear. It's all in the > paperwork at this point in time and we all know that the devil is in the > paperwork. It is on its way from what I understand and should be readily > available in the near future. > > > Mac > > >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Mike Hammett >> Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 8:12 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC >> >> Mikrotik has the Crossroads device out now. Not sure on anyone else. >> I >> think Mikrotik developing their own certified CPE shut down everyone >> else. >> >> >> -- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Travis Johnson" >> To: ; "WISPA General List" >> >> Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 6:37 PM >> Subject: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC >> >> >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I thought a little while ago someone was talking about someone that >>> >> was >> >>> working on making an FCC certified Mikrotik solution (RB532, etc.). >>> >> Does >> >>> anyone know the status on this or if it was even real? >>> >>> Travis >>> Microserv >>> >>> >>> - >>> >> --- >> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> - >>> >> --- >> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> >> >> --- >> - >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> --- >> - >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc work: 435-773-6071 email: rco...@infowest.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/randycosby WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MikroTik FCC
Mikrotik's certification of the R52 with outdoor antennas is an important step on the road to being able to build and certify a MT system however it is just the first step. Using the R52 with any of the antennas that it has been certified with will help a company obtain certification of a complete AP or CPE at a lower cost than running through the complete certification process because testing the R52 with these antennas does not have to be re-done by the test lab. In order to have Mikrotik gear that is FCC certified, the R52 still needs to be submitted as part of a complete unit and the remaining tests need to be performed before an FCC ID (Grant) will be issued thereby making the gear legal. Also, the Mikrotik software must dis-allow use on non-U.S. frequencies which the stock MT software does not currently do. jack Mac Dearman wrote: > Travis, > > Excuse the "copy & paste" from an earlier post I made - but here is what > copied. > > > I thought I would share some of MikroTik's FCC certified gear with the list. > These configurations were tested by Rogers Labs, Inc back in July and made > available on the FCC site months ago along with their FCC certification. > John Tully also stated this morning that there is more certifications > covering more antennas & Routerboards in the very near future. > > Looks like PacWireless was a HUGE portion of antenna choice!! Thanks > MikroTik!! > > > Model: R52 > 2412.0-2462.0 and 5740.0 - 5840.0 MHz > > 12 dBi Omni Directional OD24- > 12 dBi Omni Directional OD58-12 > 13 dBi Omni Directional ODH24-13 > 17 dBi Sector SA24-90-17-WB > 17 dBi Sector SA5-90-17-WB > 19 dBi Panel PA24-19 > 24 dBi Panel PA58-24 > 28 dBi Grid GD5W-28 > 24 dBi Dish DC24HDPF1P-EZ > 32 dBi Dish DA5W-32P > > >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >> Behalf Of Travis Johnson >> Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 6:38 PM >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List >> Subject: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC >> >> Hi, >> >> I thought a little while ago someone was talking about someone that was >> working on making an FCC certified Mikrotik solution (RB532, etc.). >> Does >> anyone know the status on this or if it was even real? >> >> Travis >> Microserv >> >> >> --- >> - >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> --- >> - >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 FCC License # PG-12-25133 Author of the Cisco Press Book - "Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs" Vendor-Neutral Wireless Training-Troubleshooting-Consulting Phone 818-227-4220 Email <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC
Word on the FCC certified gear is that they are working with USA based resellers to get them up to speed to offer certified gear. It's all in the paperwork at this point in time and we all know that the devil is in the paperwork. It is on its way from what I understand and should be readily available in the near future. Mac > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Mike Hammett > Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 8:12 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC > > Mikrotik has the Crossroads device out now. Not sure on anyone else. > I > think Mikrotik developing their own certified CPE shut down everyone > else. > > > -- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > - Original Message - > From: "Travis Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WISPA General List" > > Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 6:37 PM > Subject: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC > > > > Hi, > > > > I thought a little while ago someone was talking about someone that > was > > working on making an FCC certified Mikrotik solution (RB532, etc.). > Does > > anyone know the status on this or if it was even real? > > > > Travis > > Microserv > > > > > > - > --- > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > - > --- > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > --- > - > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > --- > - > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC
Mikrotik has the Crossroads device out now. Not sure on anyone else. I think Mikrotik developing their own certified CPE shut down everyone else. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Travis Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 6:37 PM Subject: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC > Hi, > > I thought a little while ago someone was talking about someone that was > working on making an FCC certified Mikrotik solution (RB532, etc.). Does > anyone know the status on this or if it was even real? > > Travis > Microserv > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MikroTik FCC
Travis, Excuse the "copy & paste" from an earlier post I made - but here is what copied. I thought I would share some of MikroTik's FCC certified gear with the list. These configurations were tested by Rogers Labs, Inc back in July and made available on the FCC site months ago along with their FCC certification. John Tully also stated this morning that there is more certifications covering more antennas & Routerboards in the very near future. Looks like PacWireless was a HUGE portion of antenna choice!! Thanks MikroTik!! Model: R52 2412.0-2462.0 and 5740.0 - 5840.0 MHz 12 dBi Omni Directional OD24- 12 dBi Omni Directional OD58-12 13 dBi Omni Directional ODH24-13 17 dBi Sector SA24-90-17-WB 17 dBi Sector SA5-90-17-WB 19 dBi Panel PA24-19 24 dBi Panel PA58-24 28 dBi Grid GD5W-28 24 dBi Dish DC24HDPF1P-EZ 32 dBi Dish DA5W-32P > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Travis Johnson > Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 6:38 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List > Subject: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC > > Hi, > > I thought a little while ago someone was talking about someone that was > working on making an FCC certified Mikrotik solution (RB532, etc.). > Does > anyone know the status on this or if it was even real? > > Travis > Microserv > > > --- > - > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > --- > - > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Mikrotik FCC
Hi, I thought a little while ago someone was talking about someone that was working on making an FCC certified Mikrotik solution (RB532, etc.). Does anyone know the status on this or if it was even real? Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
