Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for Mikrotik Bandwidth Management
This really comes down to preference and budget . I would agree that the 532 (non production as well) is a small board, however, starting up, 50-100 customers, this box will work. Its an industrial board that has proven itself quite capable. It really comes down to the amount of traffic etc. I have customers running a 532 board with 8 meg connections, with over 100 queues on it. It was doing NAT as well. This board never went about 50-60% . If that will handle your traffic, then great, but keep in mind, when you have 200 customers and moving 20 meg of traffic, it might not be enough! And most liekly will not be enough! I love how people want to use OLD servers, and old PCs as Mikrotiks. Ya, cheap cheap, fun fun, but they already have years of use on them! Just makes me wonder about some people! An example was a customer of ours, the owner starting complaining about Mikrotik how unstable it was.Start taking to him a bit, and he told me what kind of PC it was on. After a bit more talking i asked where the PC was from. He said when his windows 98 desktop was running too slowly, he decided to put another NIC it in and bingo, instant Mikrotik. But it was always failing due to power supply, hard drive etc. Of course, they also placed in the $15 power supplies back into it! Regardless on what you use, industrial hardware is the way to go! The 433AHs are very capable as well, much faster than the 532s, as well as the 1000 board. -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* 314-735-0270 http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* Tom DeReggi wrote: I'm not against Mikrotik Software as a core router. I am however against a MT532 as a core router. A MT532 is fine as an AP or SU, that manages the subs on it, but for the core of a WISP, one needs more headroom. We don't use anything less than a Quad Proc now a days, but then again, we need to support multi port GB. But even at low speeds, processor headroom is important. Its important to have the headroom when you need it. It cost so little, for the extra processing power. There becomes huge differences in throughput based on packet size. When things get ugly are when you get a DOS attack that has either small packets 64bytes, or doesn't wait for acks to keep sending. Its also important to have enough processing for initiating testing routines, from the device. Or to handle logging, during diagnostic periods. There may very well be performance benefits of non-intel SBCs that handle interupts differently than x86, but still don't trust your core on a $150 SBC. There is to much revenue at risk. My understandign is MT now has some faster proc rack systems such as their 1000series? Maybe those are better options? Just my opinion. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Dennis Burgess [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 3:12 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for Mikrotik Bandwidth Management It is a great solution. Many ISPs use Mikrotik to do everything, and bandwidth management is one of those! Its a great Permanent solution! If you don't like the 532 as a core router, check into a PowerRouter 732! -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* 314-735-0270 http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* Patrick Nix Jr. wrote: Right, but for now we don't have the imagestream all I have that will easily config is the MT I realize this probably isn't a good permanent solution, I just need something to get by for a month or two __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (918) 235-0414 http://www.csweb.net E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bo Ring Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 3:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for Mikrotik Bandwidth Management You can use the Imagestream solo to do this and then not replace anything. It can do packet based bandwidth management with PowerNoc/ PowerCode. On Jul 9, 2008, at 2
Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for Mikrotik Bandwidth Management
I definately concur here. If we weren't getting the good speeds and quality out of the 532 that we are now then we would have moved them long ago. we are little by little, but I hate fixing things that aren't broken when I've got plenty of other things to spend my time on :-) I'm running MT as my headend router, but it's running on a quad-core system with 2GB RAM (if I remember right). -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 11:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for Mikrotik Bandwidth Management I'm not against Mikrotik Software as a core router. I am however against a MT532 as a core router. A MT532 is fine as an AP or SU, that manages the subs on it, but for the core of a WISP, one needs more headroom. We don't use anything less than a Quad Proc now a days, but then again, we need to support multi port GB. But even at low speeds, processor headroom is important. Its important to have the headroom when you need it. It cost so little, for the extra processing power. There becomes huge differences in throughput based on packet size. When things get ugly are when you get a DOS attack that has either small packets 64bytes, or doesn't wait for acks to keep sending. Its also important to have enough processing for initiating testing routines, from the device. Or to handle logging, during diagnostic periods. There may very well be performance benefits of non-intel SBCs that handle interupts differently than x86, but still don't trust your core on a $150 SBC. There is to much revenue at risk. My understandign is MT now has some faster proc rack systems such as their 1000series? Maybe those are better options? Just my opinion. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Dennis Burgess [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 3:12 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for Mikrotik Bandwidth Management It is a great solution. Many ISPs use Mikrotik to do everything, and bandwidth management is one of those! Its a great Permanent solution! If you don't like the 532 as a core router, check into a PowerRouter 732! -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* 314-735-0270 http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* Patrick Nix Jr. wrote: Right, but for now we don't have the imagestream all I have that will easily config is the MT I realize this probably isn't a good permanent solution, I just need something to get by for a month or two __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (918) 235-0414 http://www.csweb.net E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bo Ring Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 3:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for Mikrotik Bandwidth Management You can use the Imagestream solo to do this and then not replace anything. It can do packet based bandwidth management with PowerNoc/ PowerCode. On Jul 9, 2008, at 2:12 PM, Patrick Nix Jr. wrote: Is there anyone using MT for bandwidth management? We are waiting on our PowerNOC/ Imagestream solution but I need something to get us by until then What are some suggested settings and what kind of toll is it on CPU resources RB532 Thanks __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (918) 235-0414 http://www.csweb.net http://www.csweb.net/ E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e- mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for Mikrotik Bandwidth Management
Dennis, I do not disagree with your comments, on the capabilty of the product. My point was headroom. Of course it never goes over 50-60% utilization under the typical course of the week. But, I recommend that you watch it, next time they have a DOS attack. Regardless of whether you have less than 8mb transit and 50 subs or not is irrelevent. Its still painful to a WISP operator when the phone starts ringing off the hook with 50 people having troubles all at once. Been there, done that. My arguement was not agaisnt MT532, its a great product. More of a suggestion that a WISP is better off doing their best to make the budget, to add the headroom, that may save them tons of headaches and losses in the future. If only one sub gets pissed off and cancels over the coarse of the year, thats a $600 loss per year (at $50/month). One of our general rule of thumbs are... Always have significantly more processing power at the core than at the CPE/AP, so a customer can't take down your core. If your APs are 532s, it would make since for your Cores to be faster. I agree that my opinion may not be relevent based on the defination of core. There are many cases where a WISP has put up a 532, with several cards/sectors run off it, and then did the management of that via the same 532, and performs just fine, for their expectations. But that is not my definition of a core. Respectfully, Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Dennis Burgess [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 8:58 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for Mikrotik Bandwidth Management This really comes down to preference and budget . I would agree that the 532 (non production as well) is a small board, however, starting up, 50-100 customers, this box will work. Its an industrial board that has proven itself quite capable. It really comes down to the amount of traffic etc. I have customers running a 532 board with 8 meg connections, with over 100 queues on it. It was doing NAT as well. This board never went about 50-60% . If that will handle your traffic, then great, but keep in mind, when you have 200 customers and moving 20 meg of traffic, it might not be enough! And most liekly will not be enough! I love how people want to use OLD servers, and old PCs as Mikrotiks. Ya, cheap cheap, fun fun, but they already have years of use on them! Just makes me wonder about some people! An example was a customer of ours, the owner starting complaining about Mikrotik how unstable it was.Start taking to him a bit, and he told me what kind of PC it was on. After a bit more talking i asked where the PC was from. He said when his windows 98 desktop was running too slowly, he decided to put another NIC it in and bingo, instant Mikrotik. But it was always failing due to power supply, hard drive etc. Of course, they also placed in the $15 power supplies back into it! Regardless on what you use, industrial hardware is the way to go! The 433AHs are very capable as well, much faster than the 532s, as well as the 1000 board. -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* 314-735-0270 http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* Tom DeReggi wrote: I'm not against Mikrotik Software as a core router. I am however against a MT532 as a core router. A MT532 is fine as an AP or SU, that manages the subs on it, but for the core of a WISP, one needs more headroom. We don't use anything less than a Quad Proc now a days, but then again, we need to support multi port GB. But even at low speeds, processor headroom is important. Its important to have the headroom when you need it. It cost so little, for the extra processing power. There becomes huge differences in throughput based on packet size. When things get ugly are when you get a DOS attack that has either small packets 64bytes, or doesn't wait for acks to keep sending. Its also important to have enough processing for initiating testing routines, from the device. Or to handle logging, during diagnostic periods. There may very well be performance benefits of non-intel SBCs that handle interupts differently than x86, but still don't trust your core on a $150 SBC. There is to much revenue at risk. My understandign is MT now has some faster proc rack systems such as their 1000series? Maybe those are better options? Just my opinion. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Dennis Burgess [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 3:12 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA
[WISPA] Suggestions for Mikrotik Bandwidth Management
Is there anyone using MT for bandwidth management? We are waiting on our PowerNOC/ Imagestream solution but I need something to get us by until then What are some suggested settings and what kind of toll is it on CPU resources RB532 Thanks __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (918) 235-0414 http://www.csweb.net http://www.csweb.net/ E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for Mikrotik Bandwidth Management
Lots of people do this. Its really up to you on how you wish to do it. You can integrate with a billing solution, or radius server, but if you just wanted to do basic bandwidth management, then a 532 will start. It really depends on how much traffic you are moving and how you are authenticating the users. -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* 314-735-0270 http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* Patrick Nix Jr. wrote: Is there anyone using MT for bandwidth management? We are waiting on our PowerNOC/ Imagestream solution but I need something to get us by until then What are some suggested settings and what kind of toll is it on CPU resources RB532 Thanks __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (918) 235-0414 http://www.csweb.net http://www.csweb.net/ E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for Mikrotik Bandwidth Management
No user authentication radius or otherwise just simply for routing traffic... all I want to do is keep p2p users and other unessential services from chewing up all of our bandwidth currently we have a 6mbs backbone... and usage is topping 90% most of the time... we are upgrading but must do something to keep people calm until it is complete __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (918) 235-0414 http://www.csweb.net E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 2:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for Mikrotik Bandwidth Management Lots of people do this. Its really up to you on how you wish to do it. You can integrate with a billing solution, or radius server, but if you just wanted to do basic bandwidth management, then a 532 will start. It really depends on how much traffic you are moving and how you are authenticating the users. -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* 314-735-0270 http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* Patrick Nix Jr. wrote: Is there anyone using MT for bandwidth management? We are waiting on our PowerNOC/ Imagestream solution but I need something to get us by until then What are some suggested settings and what kind of toll is it on CPU resources RB532 Thanks __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (918) 235-0414 http://www.csweb.net http://www.csweb.net/ E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for Mikrotik Bandwidth Management
As a matter of fact, our Online MT training webinar for this week is on traffic shaping, bandwidth control, and packet prioritizing. This would be a great time to join. You can still get in on tomorrows 9:00am CDT class. We now have 2 classes/week. One on Tuesday at 6:00pm and the same class on Thursday at 9:00am. So if a subscriber misses Tuesday they can still catch it on Thursday morning. WISPA members get a 10% discount off the standard $200/mth price. If you are a WISPA member just send me an email off-list and I will send you a link to sign up with the discount. If you are not a member you can get $30 off your next purchase from us by signing up through http://jeffcosoho.com. Thanx Jim Patrick Nix Jr. wrote: Is there anyone using MT for bandwidth management? We are waiting on our PowerNOC/ Imagestream solution but I need something to get us by until then What are some suggested settings and what kind of toll is it on CPU resources RB532 Thanks __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (918) 235-0414 http://www.csweb.net http://www.csweb.net/ E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for Mikrotik Bandwidth Management
You can use the Imagestream solo to do this and then not replace anything. It can do packet based bandwidth management with PowerNoc/ PowerCode. On Jul 9, 2008, at 2:12 PM, Patrick Nix Jr. wrote: Is there anyone using MT for bandwidth management? We are waiting on our PowerNOC/ Imagestream solution but I need something to get us by until then What are some suggested settings and what kind of toll is it on CPU resources RB532 Thanks __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (918) 235-0414 http://www.csweb.net http://www.csweb.net/ E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e- mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ inline: ctilogo200.jpg Bo Ring Account Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] cell: 630-743-1162 • office: 312-205-2515 16W235 83rd Street, Suite A, Burr Ridge, IL 60527 • tel: 773.667.4585 fax: 773.326.4641 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for Mikrotik Bandwidth Management
Right, but for now we don't have the imagestream all I have that will easily config is the MT I realize this probably isn't a good permanent solution, I just need something to get by for a month or two __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (918) 235-0414 http://www.csweb.net E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bo Ring Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 3:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for Mikrotik Bandwidth Management You can use the Imagestream solo to do this and then not replace anything. It can do packet based bandwidth management with PowerNoc/ PowerCode. On Jul 9, 2008, at 2:12 PM, Patrick Nix Jr. wrote: Is there anyone using MT for bandwidth management? We are waiting on our PowerNOC/ Imagestream solution but I need something to get us by until then What are some suggested settings and what kind of toll is it on CPU resources RB532 Thanks __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (918) 235-0414 http://www.csweb.net http://www.csweb.net/ E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e- mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for Mikrotik Bandwidth Management
that should have said without PowerCode. Typed faster than I should have. On Jul 9, 2008, at 3:01 PM, Bo Ring wrote: You can use the Imagestream solo to do this and then not replace anything. It can do packet based bandwidth management with PowerNoc/ PowerCode. On Jul 9, 2008, at 2:12 PM, Patrick Nix Jr. wrote: Is there anyone using MT for bandwidth management? We are waiting on our PowerNOC/ Imagestream solution but I need something to get us by until then What are some suggested settings and what kind of toll is it on CPU resources RB532 Thanks __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (918) 235-0414 http://www.csweb.net http://www.csweb.net/ E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e- mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ctilogo200.jpgATT1.txtATT2.txt inline: ctilogo200.jpg Bo Ring Account Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] cell: 630-743-1162 • office: 312-205-2515 16W235 83rd Street, Suite A, Burr Ridge, IL 60527 • tel: 773.667.4585 fax: 773.326.4641 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for Mikrotik Bandwidth Management
It is a great solution. Many ISPs use Mikrotik to do everything, and bandwidth management is one of those! Its a great Permanent solution! If you don't like the 532 as a core router, check into a PowerRouter 732! -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* 314-735-0270 http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* Patrick Nix Jr. wrote: Right, but for now we don't have the imagestream all I have that will easily config is the MT I realize this probably isn't a good permanent solution, I just need something to get by for a month or two __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (918) 235-0414 http://www.csweb.net E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bo Ring Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 3:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for Mikrotik Bandwidth Management You can use the Imagestream solo to do this and then not replace anything. It can do packet based bandwidth management with PowerNoc/ PowerCode. On Jul 9, 2008, at 2:12 PM, Patrick Nix Jr. wrote: Is there anyone using MT for bandwidth management? We are waiting on our PowerNOC/ Imagestream solution but I need something to get us by until then What are some suggested settings and what kind of toll is it on CPU resources RB532 Thanks __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (918) 235-0414 http://www.csweb.net http://www.csweb.net/ E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e- mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for Mikrotik Bandwidth Management
What I am wondering is if there is a simple config I could do in about 10-20 min that would help our bandwidth problem, and also we have 3 of these routers OSPF routed should I implement the config on each router or just the edge router Thanks __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (918) 235-0414 http://www.csweb.net E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 3:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for Mikrotik Bandwidth Management It is a great solution. Many ISPs use Mikrotik to do everything, and bandwidth management is one of those! Its a great Permanent solution! If you don't like the 532 as a core router, check into a PowerRouter 732! -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* 314-735-0270 http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* Patrick Nix Jr. wrote: Right, but for now we don't have the imagestream all I have that will easily config is the MT I realize this probably isn't a good permanent solution, I just need something to get by for a month or two __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (918) 235-0414 http://www.csweb.net E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bo Ring Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 3:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for Mikrotik Bandwidth Management You can use the Imagestream solo to do this and then not replace anything. It can do packet based bandwidth management with PowerNoc/ PowerCode. On Jul 9, 2008, at 2:12 PM, Patrick Nix Jr. wrote: Is there anyone using MT for bandwidth management? We are waiting on our PowerNOC/ Imagestream solution but I need something to get us by until then What are some suggested settings and what kind of toll is it on CPU resources RB532 Thanks __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (918) 235-0414 http://www.csweb.net http://www.csweb.net/ E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e- mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for Mikrotik Bandwidth Management
Ok, to help you out a little more specifically here: For me, I have found individual Queues to be the simplest way to throttle my users. If you're using Winbox then the Queues menu is on the left. I use Simple Queues and rate limit per IP address. You can do an interface queue as well to take control of an entire interface. I would do the throttling at the closest point to each client. If your clients are DHCP'd then I would have DHCP give them static IP's and throttle like that, unless you are in a situation where you are giving each client the same amount of bandwidth. We have another system setup based on RADIUS authentication, so for that we put RADIUS attributes in for each account type and throttle based on that. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Nix Jr. Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 3:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for Mikrotik Bandwidth Management What I am wondering is if there is a simple config I could do in about 10-20 min that would help our bandwidth problem, and also we have 3 of these routers OSPF routed should I implement the config on each router or just the edge router Thanks __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (918) 235-0414 http://www.csweb.net E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 3:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for Mikrotik Bandwidth Management It is a great solution. Many ISPs use Mikrotik to do everything, and bandwidth management is one of those! Its a great Permanent solution! If you don't like the 532 as a core router, check into a PowerRouter 732! -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* 314-735-0270 http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* Patrick Nix Jr. wrote: Right, but for now we don't have the imagestream all I have that will easily config is the MT I realize this probably isn't a good permanent solution, I just need something to get by for a month or two __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (918) 235-0414 http://www.csweb.net E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bo Ring Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 3:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for Mikrotik Bandwidth Management You can use the Imagestream solo to do this and then not replace anything. It can do packet based bandwidth management with PowerNoc/ PowerCode. On Jul 9, 2008, at 2:12 PM, Patrick Nix Jr. wrote: Is there anyone using MT for bandwidth management? We are waiting on our PowerNOC/ Imagestream solution but I need something to get us by until then What are some suggested settings and what kind of toll is it on CPU resources RB532 Thanks __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (918) 235-0414 http://www.csweb.net http://www.csweb.net/ E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e- mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for Mikrotik Bandwidth Management
Oh, I've got around 75 clients still throttling through a 532. This 532 is also NATing and is acting as the core router for these 75 people. CPU hovers around a consistent 25-30% or so, so it's not too bad, but we're slowing migrating them off to a different Mikrotik router. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Nix Jr. Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 3:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for Mikrotik Bandwidth Management What I am wondering is if there is a simple config I could do in about 10-20 min that would help our bandwidth problem, and also we have 3 of these routers OSPF routed should I implement the config on each router or just the edge router Thanks __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (918) 235-0414 http://www.csweb.net E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 3:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for Mikrotik Bandwidth Management It is a great solution. Many ISPs use Mikrotik to do everything, and bandwidth management is one of those! Its a great Permanent solution! If you don't like the 532 as a core router, check into a PowerRouter 732! -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* 314-735-0270 http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* Patrick Nix Jr. wrote: Right, but for now we don't have the imagestream all I have that will easily config is the MT I realize this probably isn't a good permanent solution, I just need something to get by for a month or two __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (918) 235-0414 http://www.csweb.net E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bo Ring Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 3:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for Mikrotik Bandwidth Management You can use the Imagestream solo to do this and then not replace anything. It can do packet based bandwidth management with PowerNoc/ PowerCode. On Jul 9, 2008, at 2:12 PM, Patrick Nix Jr. wrote: Is there anyone using MT for bandwidth management? We are waiting on our PowerNOC/ Imagestream solution but I need something to get us by until then What are some suggested settings and what kind of toll is it on CPU resources RB532 Thanks __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (918) 235-0414 http://www.csweb.net http://www.csweb.net/ E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e- mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List
Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for Mikrotik Bandwidth Management
Or buy a Dell PowerEdge 650 and a DOM (Disk-on-Module) with MT on it. They are cheap on ebay and you can have a core router running for $300-600. If you want gigabit, add a 4-port intel card. Eric -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 4:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for Mikrotik Bandwidth Management It is a great solution. Many ISPs use Mikrotik to do everything, and bandwidth management is one of those! Its a great Permanent solution! If you don't like the 532 as a core router, check into a PowerRouter 732! -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* 314-735-0270 http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* Patrick Nix Jr. wrote: Right, but for now we don't have the imagestream all I have that will easily config is the MT I realize this probably isn't a good permanent solution, I just need something to get by for a month or two __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (918) 235-0414 http://www.csweb.net E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bo Ring Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 3:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for Mikrotik Bandwidth Management You can use the Imagestream solo to do this and then not replace anything. It can do packet based bandwidth management with PowerNoc/ PowerCode. On Jul 9, 2008, at 2:12 PM, Patrick Nix Jr. wrote: Is there anyone using MT for bandwidth management? We are waiting on our PowerNOC/ Imagestream solution but I need something to get us by until then What are some suggested settings and what kind of toll is it on CPU resources RB532 Thanks __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (918) 235-0414 http://www.csweb.net http://www.csweb.net/ E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e- mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for Mikrotik Bandwidth Management
I'm not against Mikrotik Software as a core router. I am however against a MT532 as a core router. A MT532 is fine as an AP or SU, that manages the subs on it, but for the core of a WISP, one needs more headroom. We don't use anything less than a Quad Proc now a days, but then again, we need to support multi port GB. But even at low speeds, processor headroom is important. Its important to have the headroom when you need it. It cost so little, for the extra processing power. There becomes huge differences in throughput based on packet size. When things get ugly are when you get a DOS attack that has either small packets 64bytes, or doesn't wait for acks to keep sending. Its also important to have enough processing for initiating testing routines, from the device. Or to handle logging, during diagnostic periods. There may very well be performance benefits of non-intel SBCs that handle interupts differently than x86, but still don't trust your core on a $150 SBC. There is to much revenue at risk. My understandign is MT now has some faster proc rack systems such as their 1000series? Maybe those are better options? Just my opinion. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Dennis Burgess [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 3:12 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for Mikrotik Bandwidth Management It is a great solution. Many ISPs use Mikrotik to do everything, and bandwidth management is one of those! Its a great Permanent solution! If you don't like the 532 as a core router, check into a PowerRouter 732! -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* 314-735-0270 http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* Patrick Nix Jr. wrote: Right, but for now we don't have the imagestream all I have that will easily config is the MT I realize this probably isn't a good permanent solution, I just need something to get by for a month or two __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (918) 235-0414 http://www.csweb.net E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bo Ring Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 3:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for Mikrotik Bandwidth Management You can use the Imagestream solo to do this and then not replace anything. It can do packet based bandwidth management with PowerNoc/ PowerCode. On Jul 9, 2008, at 2:12 PM, Patrick Nix Jr. wrote: Is there anyone using MT for bandwidth management? We are waiting on our PowerNOC/ Imagestream solution but I need something to get us by until then What are some suggested settings and what kind of toll is it on CPU resources RB532 Thanks __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (918) 235-0414 http://www.csweb.net http://www.csweb.net/ E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e- mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe
Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for Mikrotik Bandwidth Management
You could get a http://abmx.com/ box, under $500, and load MT. . Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Patrick Nix Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 3:06 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for Mikrotik Bandwidth Management Right, but for now we don't have the imagestream all I have that will easily config is the MT I realize this probably isn't a good permanent solution, I just need something to get by for a month or two __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (918) 235-0414 http://www.csweb.net E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bo Ring Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 3:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for Mikrotik Bandwidth Management You can use the Imagestream solo to do this and then not replace anything. It can do packet based bandwidth management with PowerNoc/ PowerCode. On Jul 9, 2008, at 2:12 PM, Patrick Nix Jr. wrote: Is there anyone using MT for bandwidth management? We are waiting on our PowerNOC/ Imagestream solution but I need something to get us by until then What are some suggested settings and what kind of toll is it on CPU resources RB532 Thanks __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (918) 235-0414 http://www.csweb.net http://www.csweb.net/ E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e- mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
