Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now
I'm not sure Travis will buy your mountain excuse. I've heard on various lists before of WISPs working with the government to build towers in federal parks, etc. You'll have to think outside of the box on this. Can't just order a T1 from the telco. You'll have to build your own network out to a POP somewhere, whether it be wireless or fiber. Actually, since so many WISPs are doing it these days, I'm not really sure it's about of the box anymore. https://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#four22 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Marlon K. Schafer" Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 6:00 PM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now > > - Original Message - > From: "Mike Hammett" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 3:26 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now > > >> There's always, always another option. The affordability or practicality >> of >> those options vary. >> >> Education and knowledge of the world at large is certainly cheaper than >> burying 200 miles of fiber. Not having an easy upstream choice isn't an >> excuse for not knowing what networks are around you, keeping in contact >> with >> them, knowing how the Internet at large works. >> >> I'm not sure how current your coverage map is, but Electric Lightwave has >> a >> POP in Grand Coulee, which is 20 miles from Wilbur. > > It's more than 20 miles in reality. There is also a bit of a mountain in > the way. And much of the land out there is government and mostly > unavailable for use. > >> They may have closer, >> but their POP names don't necessarily match up with town names. > > Yeah, and NoaNET has a drop near Creston Wa. But we're based in Odessa, > not > Creston, Wilbur or Coulee Dam. > >> Vision >> networks in Montana may be of use, but I don't know. they indicate a >> line >> going near you, but no POPs specified. Being right near I-90, there has >> to >> be a chunk of fiber next to it, just have to do some research to find out >> whom. ;-) > > There is fiber IN town. But there's only 1. And it's Century Tel. > > There is a lot of fiber south of us (some closer to us than to I-90 > even!). > But so far I've not found a way to get into it. For some reason AT&T (or > whoever owns it now) doesn't like to break into their runs mid span. > > The upshot of things is that I'm only 9 miles from being able to tie my > Grant and Lincoln county networks together. Anyone know how small of a > block of IP addys we can get? How do we get them and what is the cost? > > When I can get them tied together I'll likely run bgp and get my own ip > space. That'll help with upstream choices anyway. Renumbering hundreds > of > customers would suck! > > laters, > marlon > >> >> >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> >> -- >> From: "Marlon K. Schafer" >> Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 4:05 PM >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now >> >>> roflol >>> >>> Oh the arrogance of the well connected! grin >>> >>> I'm just twisting your tail Mike. >>> >>> But understand something about the reality of things out here. There >>> are >>> NO >>> other choices for upstream connectivity. I have ONE provider at three >>> of >>> my >>> main sites. Not because I don't want a back up, but because there IS no >>> other choice. >>> marlon >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Mike Hammett" >>> To: "WISPA General List" >>> Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 1:22 PM >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now >>> >>> >>>> I'm not saying anything about you personally, John. >>>> >>>> However, situations like this are why a lot of people don't take WISPs >>>> seriously. Everybody here should be doing BGP, or at the very least >>>> know >>>> what it is, how it works, and how large of an impact it has on the >>>> whole &g
Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now
- Original Message - From: "Mike Hammett" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 3:26 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now > There's always, always another option. The affordability or practicality > of > those options vary. > > Education and knowledge of the world at large is certainly cheaper than > burying 200 miles of fiber. Not having an easy upstream choice isn't an > excuse for not knowing what networks are around you, keeping in contact > with > them, knowing how the Internet at large works. > > I'm not sure how current your coverage map is, but Electric Lightwave has > a > POP in Grand Coulee, which is 20 miles from Wilbur. It's more than 20 miles in reality. There is also a bit of a mountain in the way. And much of the land out there is government and mostly unavailable for use. > They may have closer, > but their POP names don't necessarily match up with town names. Yeah, and NoaNET has a drop near Creston Wa. But we're based in Odessa, not Creston, Wilbur or Coulee Dam. > Vision > networks in Montana may be of use, but I don't know. they indicate a line > going near you, but no POPs specified. Being right near I-90, there has > to > be a chunk of fiber next to it, just have to do some research to find out > whom. ;-) There is fiber IN town. But there's only 1. And it's Century Tel. There is a lot of fiber south of us (some closer to us than to I-90 even!). But so far I've not found a way to get into it. For some reason AT&T (or whoever owns it now) doesn't like to break into their runs mid span. The upshot of things is that I'm only 9 miles from being able to tie my Grant and Lincoln county networks together. Anyone know how small of a block of IP addys we can get? How do we get them and what is the cost? When I can get them tied together I'll likely run bgp and get my own ip space. That'll help with upstream choices anyway. Renumbering hundreds of customers would suck! laters, marlon > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > ------------------ > From: "Marlon K. Schafer" > Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 4:05 PM > To: "WISPA General List" > Subject: Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now > >> roflol >> >> Oh the arrogance of the well connected! grin >> >> I'm just twisting your tail Mike. >> >> But understand something about the reality of things out here. There are >> NO >> other choices for upstream connectivity. I have ONE provider at three of >> my >> main sites. Not because I don't want a back up, but because there IS no >> other choice. >> marlon >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Mike Hammett" >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 1:22 PM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now >> >> >>> I'm not saying anything about you personally, John. >>> >>> However, situations like this are why a lot of people don't take WISPs >>> seriously. Everybody here should be doing BGP, or at the very least >>> know >>> what it is, how it works, and how large of an impact it has on the whole >>> Internet. There were a few responses to this statement indicating that >>> people don't know how this system works or how to get current >>> information >>> on >>> the issue (NANOG, etc.). >>> >>> There were only a few responses, but I bet you there are dozens or >>> hundreds >>> of lurkers that don't know either. >>> >>> You can't run your operation effectively if you don't (or have people >>> to) >>> know everything from RF propagation, local demographics, routing, >>> government >>> policy, etc. >>> >>> >>> - >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>> http://www.ics-il.com >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> From: "John McDowell" >>> Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 11:18 AM >>> To: "WISPA General List" >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now >>> >>>> what is that? >>>> >>>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 11:17 AM, Matt Liotta wrote: >>>> >>>>> &
Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now
LOL There is ONE fiber link into town. That's it. EVERYTHING runs on it. The ONLY choice is Century Tel. As for the OC3, I wonder if we could help with that? We can get a 100 meg fiber link from Seattle to Ephrata for about $3k. Not sure on the price for a gigE link. It would have to save you some mileage if we could just start the link from here... marlon - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 2:20 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now There is ALWAYS another choice _affordable_ choice is another question. :) We are backhauling an OC3 from Idaho Falls, Idaho to Seattle, WA right now... I'm sure that's farther than you are from Seattle... ;) Travis Microserv Marlon K. Schafer wrote: roflol Oh the arrogance of the well connected! grin I'm just twisting your tail Mike. But understand something about the reality of things out here. There are NO other choices for upstream connectivity. I have ONE provider at three of my main sites. Not because I don't want a back up, but because there IS no other choice. marlon - Original Message - From: "Mike Hammett" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 1:22 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now I'm not saying anything about you personally, John. However, situations like this are why a lot of people don't take WISPs seriously. Everybody here should be doing BGP, or at the very least know what it is, how it works, and how large of an impact it has on the whole Internet. There were a few responses to this statement indicating that people don't know how this system works or how to get current information on the issue (NANOG, etc.). There were only a few responses, but I bet you there are dozens or hundreds of lurkers that don't know either. You can't run your operation effectively if you don't (or have people to) know everything from RF propagation, local demographics, routing, government policy, etc. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "John McDowell" Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 11:18 AM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now what is that? On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 11:17 AM, Matt Liotta wrote: WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 j...@boonlink.com www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail j...@boonlink.com, and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- ---
Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now
There's always, always another option. The affordability or practicality of those options vary. Education and knowledge of the world at large is certainly cheaper than burying 200 miles of fiber. Not having an easy upstream choice isn't an excuse for not knowing what networks are around you, keeping in contact with them, knowing how the Internet at large works. I'm not sure how current your coverage map is, but Electric Lightwave has a POP in Grand Coulee, which is 20 miles from Wilbur. They may have closer, but their POP names don't necessarily match up with town names. Vision networks in Montana may be of use, but I don't know. they indicate a line going near you, but no POPs specified. Being right near I-90, there has to be a chunk of fiber next to it, just have to do some research to find out whom. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Marlon K. Schafer" Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 4:05 PM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now > roflol > > Oh the arrogance of the well connected! grin > > I'm just twisting your tail Mike. > > But understand something about the reality of things out here. There are > NO > other choices for upstream connectivity. I have ONE provider at three of > my > main sites. Not because I don't want a back up, but because there IS no > other choice. > marlon > > - Original Message - > From: "Mike Hammett" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 1:22 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now > > >> I'm not saying anything about you personally, John. >> >> However, situations like this are why a lot of people don't take WISPs >> seriously. Everybody here should be doing BGP, or at the very least know >> what it is, how it works, and how large of an impact it has on the whole >> Internet. There were a few responses to this statement indicating that >> people don't know how this system works or how to get current information >> on >> the issue (NANOG, etc.). >> >> There were only a few responses, but I bet you there are dozens or >> hundreds >> of lurkers that don't know either. >> >> You can't run your operation effectively if you don't (or have people to) >> know everything from RF propagation, local demographics, routing, >> government >> policy, etc. >> >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> >> -- >> From: "John McDowell" >> Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 11:18 AM >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now >> >>> what is that? >>> >>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 11:17 AM, Matt Liotta wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>>> >>>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>>> >>>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> John M. McDowell >>> Boonlink Communications >>> 307 Grand Ave NW >>> Fort Payne, AL 35967 >>> 256.844.9932 >>> j...@boonlink.com >>> www.boonlink.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> This message contains information which may be confidential and >>> privileged. >>> Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the >>> addressee), >>> you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or >>> any >>> information contained in the message. If you have received the message >>> in >>> error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail j...@boonlink.com, and >>> delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to >>> spoofing, >>> spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to you
Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now
inline Mike Hammett wrote: I'm not saying anything about you personally, John. However, situations like this are why a lot of people don't take WISPs seriously. Everybody here should be doing BGP, or at the very least know what it is, how it works, and how large of an impact it has on the whole Internet. There were a few responses to this statement indicating that people don't know how this system works or how to get current information on the issue (NANOG, etc.). There were only a few responses, but I bet you there are dozens or hundreds of lurkers that don't know either. You can't run your operation effectively if you don't (or have people to) know everything from RF propagation, local demographics, routing, government policy, etc. While I'm in a better position now, I started with 1 credit card and one idea. I knew nothing but wore all the hats. It's just not possible to do everything. Not the way many wisps were started. Do I miss the days of choosing between buying groceries and paying for my bandwidth? No. But I run an effective operation and don't know everything. Brian - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "John McDowell" Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 11:18 AM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now what is that? On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 11:17 AM, Matt Liotta wrote: WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 j...@boonlink.com www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail j...@boonlink.com, and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now
There is ALWAYS another choice _affordable_ choice is another question. :) We are backhauling an OC3 from Idaho Falls, Idaho to Seattle, WA right now... I'm sure that's farther than you are from Seattle... ;) Travis Microserv Marlon K. Schafer wrote: roflol Oh the arrogance of the well connected! grin I'm just twisting your tail Mike. But understand something about the reality of things out here. There are NO other choices for upstream connectivity. I have ONE provider at three of my main sites. Not because I don't want a back up, but because there IS no other choice. marlon - Original Message - From: "Mike Hammett" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 1:22 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now I'm not saying anything about you personally, John. However, situations like this are why a lot of people don't take WISPs seriously. Everybody here should be doing BGP, or at the very least know what it is, how it works, and how large of an impact it has on the whole Internet. There were a few responses to this statement indicating that people don't know how this system works or how to get current information on the issue (NANOG, etc.). There were only a few responses, but I bet you there are dozens or hundreds of lurkers that don't know either. You can't run your operation effectively if you don't (or have people to) know everything from RF propagation, local demographics, routing, government policy, etc. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "John McDowell" Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 11:18 AM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now what is that? On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 11:17 AM, Matt Liotta wrote: WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 j...@boonlink.com www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail j...@boonlink.com, and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now
roflol Oh the arrogance of the well connected! grin I'm just twisting your tail Mike. But understand something about the reality of things out here. There are NO other choices for upstream connectivity. I have ONE provider at three of my main sites. Not because I don't want a back up, but because there IS no other choice. marlon - Original Message - From: "Mike Hammett" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 1:22 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now > I'm not saying anything about you personally, John. > > However, situations like this are why a lot of people don't take WISPs > seriously. Everybody here should be doing BGP, or at the very least know > what it is, how it works, and how large of an impact it has on the whole > Internet. There were a few responses to this statement indicating that > people don't know how this system works or how to get current information > on > the issue (NANOG, etc.). > > There were only a few responses, but I bet you there are dozens or > hundreds > of lurkers that don't know either. > > You can't run your operation effectively if you don't (or have people to) > know everything from RF propagation, local demographics, routing, > government > policy, etc. > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > ------------------ > From: "John McDowell" > Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 11:18 AM > To: "WISPA General List" > Subject: Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now > >> what is that? >> >> On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 11:17 AM, Matt Liotta wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> John M. McDowell >> Boonlink Communications >> 307 Grand Ave NW >> Fort Payne, AL 35967 >> 256.844.9932 >> j...@boonlink.com >> www.boonlink.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> This message contains information which may be confidential and >> privileged. >> Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the >> addressee), >> you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or >> any >> information contained in the message. If you have received the message in >> error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail j...@boonlink.com, and >> delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to >> spoofing, >> spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your >> computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or >> the >> source, please contact the sender directly. >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Mike Hammett wrote: > However, situations like this are why a lot of people don't take WISPs > seriously. I figured the original question: >> what is that? was a means of saying "what is this ASN and why should we be filtering it." The original post in this thread was a BLANK email. It just said "you should probably filter this ASN," but didn't say WHY. By the way, that ASN stopped spewing out nonsense a few hours ago and if you did blindly filter that ASN you can safely remove those filters. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now
I'm not saying anything about you personally, John. However, situations like this are why a lot of people don't take WISPs seriously. Everybody here should be doing BGP, or at the very least know what it is, how it works, and how large of an impact it has on the whole Internet. There were a few responses to this statement indicating that people don't know how this system works or how to get current information on the issue (NANOG, etc.). There were only a few responses, but I bet you there are dozens or hundreds of lurkers that don't know either. You can't run your operation effectively if you don't (or have people to) know everything from RF propagation, local demographics, routing, government policy, etc. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "John McDowell" Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 11:18 AM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now > what is that? > > On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 11:17 AM, Matt Liotta wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > -- > John M. McDowell > Boonlink Communications > 307 Grand Ave NW > Fort Payne, AL 35967 > 256.844.9932 > j...@boonlink.com > www.boonlink.com > > > > > > > This message contains information which may be confidential and > privileged. > Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), > you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or > any > information contained in the message. If you have received the message in > error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail j...@boonlink.com, and > delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to > spoofing, > spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your > computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or > the > source, please contact the sender directly. > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now
On Feb 16, 2009, at 2:15 PM, Jeff Broadwick wrote: > So if your BGP upstream is using a old firmware and passed you this > bogus > path data your BGP session with them would flap. > That is not correct. Older firmwares were dropping sessions because of this. Regardless, the route in question would have been passed on downstreams. -Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now
Per Eric, It appears that someone in Europe AS Path Padded their netblock advertisement more then 255 times. Best news is the problem was fixed as the source earlier today. I think it was only causing problems for an hour or two. If this is caused by Cisco bug CSCdr54230 then fair number of operators out there running old firmware. The bug caused the length of those long AS-Paths to be mis-calculated. When the path was advertised to a BGP neighbor it passed the AS-Path with incorrect length. The neighbor would detected this as corruption and terminate the BGP session. So if your BGP upstream is using a old firmware and passed you this bogus path data your BGP session with them would flap. -Eric -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John McDowell Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 12:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now We're running Imagestream, no BGP though...think this would affect us? On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Dylan Bouterse wrote: > We're getting off Cisco soon too. Moving to Juniper, maybe sooner than > later now! > > Dylan > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On Behalf Of Brad Belton > Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 12:33 PM > To: 'WISPA General List' > Subject: Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now > > So far we haven't seen any adverse effects, but we're not running BGP > with Cisco routers. > > Best, > > > Brad > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On Behalf Of Matt Liotta > Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 11:27 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now > > That AS was sending corrupted AS PATHs, which among other things has > been causing significant amounts of route flaps due to Cisco bug > CSCdr54230. Ciscos effected are losing their BGP session when they > encounter the AS PATH. Upstreams like us have busy routers because of > all the flaps. > > The community is filtering the AS right now pending resolution. > > -Matt > > On Feb 16, 2009, at 12:22 PM, Dylan Bouterse wrote: > > > I just had some BGP issues with one of my peers. Is this related you > > think? Please expand on the reason for the email. > > > > Dylan > > > > -Original Message- > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > > On > > Behalf Of Matt Liotta > > Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 12:18 PM > > To: WISPA General List > > Subject: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now > > > > > > > > > > > -- > -- > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > -- > -- > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.18/1936 - Release Date: > > 02/05/09 11:34:00 > > > > > > > -- > -- > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > -- > -- > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > -- > -- > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > -- > -- > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > -- > -- > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > ---
Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now
Yes a good choice. We have been very happy with all our IS units we have(replaced Cicsco units). As well all people we assisted and sold ImageStream units to have been very happy with them. Great stable product line at great pricing and an excellent support. Product is of course lot more then say a MikroTik unit but basically you pay for the free support and you get a product that been design to work at your network edge and talk to your upstream provider while MikroTik is more designed to function inside your own system and do wireless and internal routing and authentication. /Eje CTO WISP-Router, Inc Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: "Marlon K. Schafer" Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 10:20:04 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now I'll second that suggestion. marlon - Original Message - From: "John Scrivner" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 9:53 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now > Consider Imagestream (http://www.imagestream.com> for your high end > routing. > They are high quality and lower cost than other high-end routing > solutions. > Fantastic support and rock solid platform for routing. > Scriv > > PS. They are a WISPA Vendor Member also. > > > > On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Dylan Bouterse > wrote: > >> We're getting off Cisco soon too. Moving to Juniper, maybe sooner than >> later now! >> >> Dylan >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Brad Belton >> Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 12:33 PM >> To: 'WISPA General List' >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now >> >> So far we haven't seen any adverse effects, but we're not running BGP >> with >> Cisco routers. >> >> Best, >> >> >> Brad >> >> >> -Original Message----- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Matt Liotta >> Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 11:27 AM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now >> >> That AS was sending corrupted AS PATHs, which among other things has >> been causing significant amounts of route flaps due to Cisco bug >> CSCdr54230. Ciscos effected are losing their BGP session when they >> encounter the AS PATH. Upstreams like us have busy routers because of >> all the flaps. >> >> The community is filtering the AS right now pending resolution. >> >> -Matt >> >> On Feb 16, 2009, at 12:22 PM, Dylan Bouterse wrote: >> >> > I just had some BGP issues with one of my peers. Is this related you >> > think? Please expand on the reason for the email. >> > >> > Dylan >> > >> > -Original Message- >> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >> > On >> > Behalf Of Matt Liotta >> > Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 12:18 PM >> > To: WISPA General List >> > Subject: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> > >> > WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> > http://signup.wispa.org/ >> > >> >> > >> > >> > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> > >> > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> > >> > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > >> > No virus found in this incoming message. >> > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> > Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.18/1936 - Release Date: >> > 02/05/09 11:34:00 >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> > WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> > http://signup.wispa.org/ >> > >> >> >> >> > >> > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> > >> > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> > >> > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermai
Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now
I'll second that suggestion. marlon - Original Message - From: "John Scrivner" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 9:53 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now > Consider Imagestream (http://www.imagestream.com> for your high end > routing. > They are high quality and lower cost than other high-end routing > solutions. > Fantastic support and rock solid platform for routing. > Scriv > > PS. They are a WISPA Vendor Member also. > > > > On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Dylan Bouterse > wrote: > >> We're getting off Cisco soon too. Moving to Juniper, maybe sooner than >> later now! >> >> Dylan >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Brad Belton >> Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 12:33 PM >> To: 'WISPA General List' >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now >> >> So far we haven't seen any adverse effects, but we're not running BGP >> with >> Cisco routers. >> >> Best, >> >> >> Brad >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Matt Liotta >> Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 11:27 AM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now >> >> That AS was sending corrupted AS PATHs, which among other things has >> been causing significant amounts of route flaps due to Cisco bug >> CSCdr54230. Ciscos effected are losing their BGP session when they >> encounter the AS PATH. Upstreams like us have busy routers because of >> all the flaps. >> >> The community is filtering the AS right now pending resolution. >> >> -Matt >> >> On Feb 16, 2009, at 12:22 PM, Dylan Bouterse wrote: >> >> > I just had some BGP issues with one of my peers. Is this related you >> > think? Please expand on the reason for the email. >> > >> > Dylan >> > >> > -Original Message- >> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >> > On >> > Behalf Of Matt Liotta >> > Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 12:18 PM >> > To: WISPA General List >> > Subject: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> > >> > WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> > http://signup.wispa.org/ >> > >> >> > >> > >> > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> > >> > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> > >> > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > >> > No virus found in this incoming message. >> > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> > Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.18/1936 - Release Date: >> > 02/05/09 11:34:00 >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> > WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> > http://signup.wispa.org/ >> > >> >> >> >> > >> > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> > >> > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> > >> > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>
Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now
I too would absolutely love to hear a response to John's question - we're moving to IS soon! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 12:54 PM, John McDowell wrote: > We're running Imagestream, no BGP though...think this would affect us? > > On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Dylan Bouterse >wrote: > > > We're getting off Cisco soon too. Moving to Juniper, maybe sooner than > > later now! > > > > Dylan > > > > -Original Message- > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > > Behalf Of Brad Belton > > Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 12:33 PM > > To: 'WISPA General List' > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now > > > > So far we haven't seen any adverse effects, but we're not running BGP > > with > > Cisco routers. > > > > Best, > > > > > > Brad > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > > Behalf Of Matt Liotta > > Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 11:27 AM > > To: WISPA General List > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now > > > > That AS was sending corrupted AS PATHs, which among other things has > > been causing significant amounts of route flaps due to Cisco bug > > CSCdr54230. Ciscos effected are losing their BGP session when they > > encounter the AS PATH. Upstreams like us have busy routers because of > > all the flaps. > > > > The community is filtering the AS right now pending resolution. > > > > -Matt > > > > On Feb 16, 2009, at 12:22 PM, Dylan Bouterse wrote: > > > > > I just had some BGP issues with one of my peers. Is this related you > > > think? Please expand on the reason for the email. > > > > > > Dylan > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > > > On > > > Behalf Of Matt Liotta > > > Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 12:18 PM > > > To: WISPA General List > > > Subject: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > > Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.18/1936 - Release Date: > > > 02/05/09 11:34:00 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > --
Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now
We're running Imagestream, no BGP though...think this would affect us? On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Dylan Bouterse wrote: > We're getting off Cisco soon too. Moving to Juniper, maybe sooner than > later now! > > Dylan > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Brad Belton > Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 12:33 PM > To: 'WISPA General List' > Subject: Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now > > So far we haven't seen any adverse effects, but we're not running BGP > with > Cisco routers. > > Best, > > > Brad > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Matt Liotta > Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 11:27 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now > > That AS was sending corrupted AS PATHs, which among other things has > been causing significant amounts of route flaps due to Cisco bug > CSCdr54230. Ciscos effected are losing their BGP session when they > encounter the AS PATH. Upstreams like us have busy routers because of > all the flaps. > > The community is filtering the AS right now pending resolution. > > -Matt > > On Feb 16, 2009, at 12:22 PM, Dylan Bouterse wrote: > > > I just had some BGP issues with one of my peers. Is this related you > > think? Please expand on the reason for the email. > > > > Dylan > > > > -Original Message- > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > > On > > Behalf Of Matt Liotta > > Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 12:18 PM > > To: WISPA General List > > Subject: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.18/1936 - Release Date: > > 02/05/09 11:34:00 > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.18/1936 - Release Date: > 02/05/09 11:34:00 > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 j...@boonlink.com www.boonlink.com Th
Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now
Consider Imagestream (http://www.imagestream.com> for your high end routing. They are high quality and lower cost than other high-end routing solutions. Fantastic support and rock solid platform for routing. Scriv PS. They are a WISPA Vendor Member also. On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Dylan Bouterse wrote: > We're getting off Cisco soon too. Moving to Juniper, maybe sooner than > later now! > > Dylan > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Brad Belton > Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 12:33 PM > To: 'WISPA General List' > Subject: Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now > > So far we haven't seen any adverse effects, but we're not running BGP > with > Cisco routers. > > Best, > > > Brad > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Matt Liotta > Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 11:27 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now > > That AS was sending corrupted AS PATHs, which among other things has > been causing significant amounts of route flaps due to Cisco bug > CSCdr54230. Ciscos effected are losing their BGP session when they > encounter the AS PATH. Upstreams like us have busy routers because of > all the flaps. > > The community is filtering the AS right now pending resolution. > > -Matt > > On Feb 16, 2009, at 12:22 PM, Dylan Bouterse wrote: > > > I just had some BGP issues with one of my peers. Is this related you > > think? Please expand on the reason for the email. > > > > Dylan > > > > -Original Message- > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > > On > > Behalf Of Matt Liotta > > Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 12:18 PM > > To: WISPA General List > > Subject: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.18/1936 - Release Date: > > 02/05/09 11:34:00 > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.18/1936 - Release Date: > 02/05/09 11:34:00 > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now
We're getting off Cisco soon too. Moving to Juniper, maybe sooner than later now! Dylan -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 12:33 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now So far we haven't seen any adverse effects, but we're not running BGP with Cisco routers. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 11:27 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now That AS was sending corrupted AS PATHs, which among other things has been causing significant amounts of route flaps due to Cisco bug CSCdr54230. Ciscos effected are losing their BGP session when they encounter the AS PATH. Upstreams like us have busy routers because of all the flaps. The community is filtering the AS right now pending resolution. -Matt On Feb 16, 2009, at 12:22 PM, Dylan Bouterse wrote: > I just had some BGP issues with one of my peers. Is this related you > think? Please expand on the reason for the email. > > Dylan > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On > Behalf Of Matt Liotta > Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 12:18 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.18/1936 - Release Date: > 02/05/09 11:34:00 > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.18/1936 - Release Date: 02/05/09 11:34:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now
So far we haven't seen any adverse effects, but we're not running BGP with Cisco routers. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 11:27 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now That AS was sending corrupted AS PATHs, which among other things has been causing significant amounts of route flaps due to Cisco bug CSCdr54230. Ciscos effected are losing their BGP session when they encounter the AS PATH. Upstreams like us have busy routers because of all the flaps. The community is filtering the AS right now pending resolution. -Matt On Feb 16, 2009, at 12:22 PM, Dylan Bouterse wrote: > I just had some BGP issues with one of my peers. Is this related you > think? Please expand on the reason for the email. > > Dylan > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On > Behalf Of Matt Liotta > Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 12:18 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.18/1936 - Release Date: > 02/05/09 11:34:00 > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now
One of my upstreams found this after I called in the issue (I'm sure they were already aware of it) and filtered the AS out. I only had an issue with one of my routers as it is hobbling along with full routes and 256Mb of RAM. BGP was crashing on that one. :/ Thanks for the heads up guys! Dylan -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 12:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now That AS was sending corrupted AS PATHs, which among other things has been causing significant amounts of route flaps due to Cisco bug CSCdr54230. Ciscos effected are losing their BGP session when they encounter the AS PATH. Upstreams like us have busy routers because of all the flaps. The community is filtering the AS right now pending resolution. -Matt On Feb 16, 2009, at 12:22 PM, Dylan Bouterse wrote: > I just had some BGP issues with one of my peers. Is this related you > think? Please expand on the reason for the email. > > Dylan > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On > Behalf Of Matt Liotta > Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 12:18 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.18/1936 - Release Date: > 02/05/09 11:34:00 > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.18/1936 - Release Date: 02/05/09 11:34:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now
Why would be nice to know ? -Original Message- From: Matt Liotta Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 12:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now
That AS was sending corrupted AS PATHs, which among other things has been causing significant amounts of route flaps due to Cisco bug CSCdr54230. Ciscos effected are losing their BGP session when they encounter the AS PATH. Upstreams like us have busy routers because of all the flaps. The community is filtering the AS right now pending resolution. -Matt On Feb 16, 2009, at 12:22 PM, Dylan Bouterse wrote: > I just had some BGP issues with one of my peers. Is this related you > think? Please expand on the reason for the email. > > Dylan > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On > Behalf Of Matt Liotta > Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 12:18 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.18/1936 - Release Date: > 02/05/09 11:34:00 > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now
Really? http://www.cidr-report.org/cgi-bin/as-report?as=48438 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 11:19 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now what's that? - Original Message - From: "Matt Liotta" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 9:17 AM Subject: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now
Dylan Bouterse wrote: > I just had some BGP issues with one of my peers. Is this related you > think? Please expand on the reason for the email. Folks on NANOG are reporting that AS48438 is doing some very silly stuff (like trying to stuff in hundreds of AS-path prepends), which makes some BGP implementations generate lots of spurious route flaps. One of my upstreams has, for the last half-hour or so, gone from 5ms latency to several hundred ms, and I suspect it's related to an overloaded router trying to deal with this (and all the path flaps and such from their peers that can't cope with absurdly long paths, and) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now
I just had some BGP issues with one of my peers. Is this related you think? Please expand on the reason for the email. Dylan -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 12:18 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.18/1936 - Release Date: 02/05/09 11:34:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now
what's that? - Original Message - From: "Matt Liotta" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 9:17 AM Subject: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now
what is that? On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 11:17 AM, Matt Liotta wrote: > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 j...@boonlink.com www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail j...@boonlink.com, and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now
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