RE: [WISPA] 900MHz performance (Latency, Throughput)
Title: Message Are there any notes from the session? The winog website doesnt show anything. it's one of those things where you "kinda have to be there" Also, you mention the login script is broken on wispreviews.com but I cant even browse the forms as a guest. Here's the problem Due to excessive spamming / trolling, we had to configure the forums where you can't browse unless you have a user account (there's no charge for that) the problem is is that the site got hacked about 1-2 months ago, and although we were able to recover the database, the login script (though working) -- is misleading b/c when you log in, it goes to a file not found page (if you go back, the cookie is saved and you are technically logged in) to compound the problem, the administrative interface is broken too, so it is impossible for me to log in and change things sniff our current network admin guy can't seem to figure it out -Charles P.S. I'm still looking for a goodphp guy to help fix things here ---WiNOG Austin, TXMarch 13-15, 2006http://www.winog.com -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dylan BouterseSent: Monday, February 20, 2006 10:07 PMTo: WISPA General ListSubject: RE: [WISPA] 900MHz performance (Latency, Throughput) Dylan From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles WuSent: Monday, February 20, 2006 8:10 PMTo: 'WISPA General List'Subject: RE: [WISPA] 900MHz performance (Latency, Throughput) old news =) that was covered at the last WiNOG http://www.winog.com/park-city_2005/sessions/day2_900mhz_bakeoff.htm another place to check is http://www.wispreviews.com (the login script is broken, but if you fiddle around with it, you should be able to get in) -Charles ---WiNOG Austin, TXMarch 13-15, 2006http://www.winog.com -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dylan BouterseSent: Monday, February 20, 2006 9:17 AMTo: WISPA General ListSubject: [WISPA] 900MHz performance (Latency, Throughput) We are in the beginning stages of evaluating 900MHz for our wireless portfolio. Im very interested to hear about implemented systems and what kind of max throughput and latency is expected. Any help is greatly appreciated. Dylan Bouterse . Sr. System Engineer___p. 352.253.2200 f. 352.742.2211 e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] i.http://www.power1.com - www.onepowerfulsolution.com - www.power1golf.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] 900MHz performance (Latency, Throughput)
FWIW -- wispreviews is just a little blogging site to help people in the industry out We used PhpBB b/c it was easy to setup and fairliy intuitive (for not so computer savy people like me) Do you have any better suggestions? -Charles P.S. -- if it'd help the list, I can still access the databases, and I could post the 900 Mhz stuff on the listserv for all to see - as text though =( --- WiNOG Austin, TX March 13-15, 2006 http://www.winog.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 11:44 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900MHz performance (Latency, Throughput) Charles Wu wrote: P.S. I'm still looking for a goodphp guy to help fix things here The first step would be to stop using PHP or for that matter any other language that encourages unmaintainable code. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 900MHz performance (Latency, Throughput)
Charles Wu wrote: Do you have any better suggestions? What are your requirements? -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] 900MHz performance (Latency, Throughput)
Well...look at http://www.wispreviews.com It's basically a blog site where WISPs post reviews of the gear they've used (expeiences, 2 thumbs up, stuff sucks, etc) In an idea world, I'd like something like DSL Reports -- where you could even rate it and stuff -- but being a free site, we don't have much from a budget perspective -Charles --- WiNOG Austin, TX March 13-15, 2006 http://www.winog.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 12:38 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900MHz performance (Latency, Throughput) Charles Wu wrote: Do you have any better suggestions? What are your requirements? -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 900MHz performance (Latency, Throughput)
The 900Mhz pricing has always been higher than 2.4ghz 802.11x on price. Probably always will be. What 900mhz buys you is NLOS performance. 900mhz links will cut through trees that 802.11b only dreams about. I am not sure how well the new Ubiquiti cards running 802.11 on them will do with NLOS. Waverider is the 900mhz I am familiar with, and part of the positive things about it are the way it will retry packets up to 3 times before failing them. I don't think that 802.11 has a packet retry as part of its protocol. Another downside of Waverider (or any other 900mhz as far as I know) its that a Waverider 900mhz Access point (CCU) is only good for 2mbps total network throughput, and 1.5mbps to any one client. Pete Davis NoDial.net Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Something needs to be done about this 900mhz pricing, at these prices I can justify setting up more 2.4ghz to get to these last mile customers. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Blair Davis *Sent:* Monday, February 20, 2006 7:54 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] 900MHz performance (Latency, Throughput) That is why I posted the request on 900MHz myself I am suprised that no distributors or manufactures has replied yet... Dylan Bouterse wrote: We are in the beginning stages of evaluating 900MHz for our wireless portfolio. I’m very interested to hear about implemented systems and what kind of max throughput and latency is expected. Any help is greatly appreciated. **Dylan Bouterse . **Sr. System Engineer ___ *p.* 352.253.2200 *f.* 352.742.2211 *e.* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]_ *i.* http://www.power1.com http://www.power1.com/ - www.onepowerfulsolution.com http://www.onepowerfulsolution.com/ - www.power1golf.com http://www.power1golf.com/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.10/263 - Release Date: 2/16/2006 -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 A division of: Camp Communication Services, INC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] 900MHz performance (Latency, Throughput)
I wouldn't bank on the 1.5 Mb per client unless you want to dedicate a ccu to them. We have found the 1.5 claim virtually impossible to sustain. It makes the business model unsound as well. chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pete Davis Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 11:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900MHz performance (Latency, Throughput) The 900Mhz pricing has always been higher than 2.4ghz 802.11x on price. Probably always will be. What 900mhz buys you is NLOS performance. 900mhz links will cut through trees that 802.11b only dreams about. I am not sure how well the new Ubiquiti cards running 802.11 on them will do with NLOS. Waverider is the 900mhz I am familiar with, and part of the positive things about it are the way it will retry packets up to 3 times before failing them. I don't think that 802.11 has a packet retry as part of its protocol. Another downside of Waverider (or any other 900mhz as far as I know) its that a Waverider 900mhz Access point (CCU) is only good for 2mbps total network throughput, and 1.5mbps to any one client. Pete Davis NoDial.net Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Something needs to be done about this 900mhz pricing, at these prices I can justify setting up more 2.4ghz to get to these last mile customers. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Blair Davis *Sent:* Monday, February 20, 2006 7:54 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] 900MHz performance (Latency, Throughput) That is why I posted the request on 900MHz myself I am suprised that no distributors or manufactures has replied yet... Dylan Bouterse wrote: We are in the beginning stages of evaluating 900MHz for our wireless portfolio. I'm very interested to hear about implemented systems and what kind of max throughput and latency is expected. Any help is greatly appreciated. **Dylan Bouterse . **Sr. System Engineer ___ *p.* 352.253.2200 *f.* 352.742.2211 *e.* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]_ *i.* http://www.power1.com http://www.power1.com/ - www.onepowerfulsolution.com http://www.onepowerfulsolution.com/ - www.power1golf.com http://www.power1golf.com/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.10/263 - Release Date: 2/16/2006 -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 A division of: Camp Communication Services, INC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 267.15.0 - Release Date: 2/1/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 900MHz performance (Latency, Throughput)
Agreed. 1534k to the client is something I have yet to see on Waverider. Setting the GOS (Grade of service) to 1024k and setting the queue in Mikrotik to 512k seems to work reasonably well. YMMV. pd chris cooper wrote: I wouldn't bank on the 1.5 Mb per client unless you want to dedicate a ccu to them. We have found the 1.5 claim virtually impossible to sustain. It makes the business model unsound as well. chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pete Davis Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 11:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900MHz performance (Latency, Throughput) The 900Mhz pricing has always been higher than 2.4ghz 802.11x on price. Probably always will be. What 900mhz buys you is NLOS performance. 900mhz links will cut through trees that 802.11b only dreams about. I am not sure how well the new Ubiquiti cards running 802.11 on them will do with NLOS. Waverider is the 900mhz I am familiar with, and part of the positive things about it are the way it will retry packets up to 3 times before failing them. I don't think that 802.11 has a packet retry as part of its protocol. Another downside of Waverider (or any other 900mhz as far as I know) its that a Waverider 900mhz Access point (CCU) is only good for 2mbps total network throughput, and 1.5mbps to any one client. Pete Davis NoDial.net Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Something needs to be done about this 900mhz pricing, at these prices I can justify setting up more 2.4ghz to get to these last mile customers. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Blair Davis *Sent:* Monday, February 20, 2006 7:54 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] 900MHz performance (Latency, Throughput) That is why I posted the request on 900MHz myself I am suprised that no distributors or manufactures has replied yet... Dylan Bouterse wrote: We are in the beginning stages of evaluating 900MHz for our wireless portfolio. I'm very interested to hear about implemented systems and what kind of max throughput and latency is expected. Any help is greatly appreciated. **Dylan Bouterse . **Sr. System Engineer ___ *p.* 352.253.2200 *f.* 352.742.2211 *e.* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]_ *i.* http://www.power1.com http://www.power1.com/ - www.onepowerfulsolution.com http://www.onepowerfulsolution.com/ - www.power1golf.com http://www.power1golf.com/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.10/263 - Release Date: 2/16/2006 -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 A division of: Camp Communication Services, INC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 900MHz performance (Latency, Throughput)
I have gotten just under 3Mb/s down and 400Kb up on a Canopy system at short range (5 miles or so). I don't do very many installs anymore so I can't give you an idea of latency. Not sure if thruput drops significantly on longer ranges or if latency increases either.On Feb 20, 2006, at 8:17 AM, Dylan Bouterse wrote: We are in the beginning stages of evaluating 900MHz for our wireless portfolio. I’m very interested to hear about implemented systems and what kind of max throughput and latency is expected. Any help is greatly appreciated. Dylan Bouterse . Sr. System Engineer image001.gif ___ p. 352.253.2200 f. 352.742.2211 e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] i. http://www.power1.com - www.onepowerfulsolution.com - www.power1golf.com image001.gif-- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] 900MHz performance (Latency, Throughput)
Title: Message old news =) that was covered at the last WiNOG http://www.winog.com/park-city_2005/sessions/day2_900mhz_bakeoff.htm another place to check is http://www.wispreviews.com (the login script is broken, but if you fiddle around with it, you should be able to get in) -Charles ---WiNOG Austin, TXMarch 13-15, 2006http://www.winog.com -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dylan BouterseSent: Monday, February 20, 2006 9:17 AMTo: WISPA General ListSubject: [WISPA] 900MHz performance (Latency, Throughput) We are in the beginning stages of evaluating 900MHz for our wireless portfolio. Im very interested to hear about implemented systems and what kind of max throughput and latency is expected. Any help is greatly appreciated. Dylan Bouterse . Sr. System Engineer___p. 352.253.2200 f. 352.742.2211 e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] i.http://www.power1.com - www.onepowerfulsolution.com - www.power1golf.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] 900MHz performance (Latency, Throughput)
Title: Message Are there any notes from the session? The winog website doesnt show anything. Also, you mention the login script is broken on wispreviews.com but I cant even browse the forms as a guest. Dylan From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 8:10 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] 900MHz performance (Latency, Throughput) old news =) that was covered at the last WiNOG http://www.winog.com/park-city_2005/sessions/day2_900mhz_bakeoff.htm another place to check is http://www.wispreviews.com (the login script is broken, but if you fiddle around with it, you should be able to get in) -Charles --- WiNOG Austin, TX March 13-15, 2006 http://www.winog.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dylan Bouterse Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 9:17 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 900MHz performance (Latency, Throughput) We are in the beginning stages of evaluating 900MHz for our wireless portfolio. Im very interested to hear about implemented systems and what kind of max throughput and latency is expected. Any help is greatly appreciated. Dylan Bouterse . Sr. System Engineer ___ p. 352.253.2200 f. 352.742.2211 e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] i.http://www.power1.com - www.onepowerfulsolution.com - www.power1golf.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
