Re: [WISPA] Fiber cut in Orlando

[Jorge Santiago]

Do you know the carriers affected?

On Friday, January 17, 2014, Justin Wilson wrote:

> Just as an FYI there is a major fiber cut affecting the Orlando area.
>  Last I heard they are having to resplice 400+ fibers.
>
> Justin
>
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Re: [WISPA] Fiber Contractor

[Scott Carullo]

If you just need it terminated I can do it.  Email me offline if you still need 
assistance

Scott Carullo
Technical Operations
855-FLSPEED x102


From: "Justin Wilson" 
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2013 12:39 AM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: [WISPA] Fiber Contractor

Anyone know a fiber contractor in the Orlando area? Need someone who 
can terminate some single mode fiber.
--Justin Wilson 
Aol & Yahoo IM: j2sw
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Re: [WISPA] Fiber MUX

[lakeland]

Sounds like yoy could use a couple of Dragonwave Pseudowire units.  16 T1 to 
Ethernet. Copper only for you would need to media convert for f iber.

Bob


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 Original message 
From: m...@tc3net.com 
Date: 05/20/2013  11:33 AM  (GMT-05:00) 
To: WISPA General List  
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber MUX 
 
Check for pseudowire devices, I have also used Cisco routers to create a 
transparent bridge group over MLPPP, as well as bonding using the Zhone 
etherextend products. Most of the time I use the Zhone's.

Regards
Michael Baird

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From: "Eric Tykwinski" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 11:16:50 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber MUX

Matt,

We've used Net to Net equipment back in the day.
They've been bought out multiple times probably since then, but the products
were pretty simple to setup:
http://www.zhone.com/products/legacy/ne/


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Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 11:13 AM
To: WISPA General List; WISPA Fiber Discussion
Subject: [WISPA] Fiber MUX

Hi All,
Is anyone aware of a MUX that will let me MUX together T1s (needs to be
transparent) and Ethernet?  I need to MUX them together on one end, and then
unMUX on the other end.  Again... it all needs to be transparent.
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Re: [WISPA] Fiber MUX

[Matt Hoppes]

Woops... I failed to include this would be over Fiber :P

Sorry... I sent this CC to the fiber list as well, so that was an oversight.


Matt Hoppes
Director of Information Technology
Indigo Wireless
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On 5/20/13 11:45 AM, Fred Goldstein wrote:
> On 5/20/2013 11:12 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>> Hi All,
>> Is anyone aware of a MUX that will let me MUX together T1s (needs to be
>> transparent) and Ethernet?  I need to MUX them together on one end, and
>> then unMUX on the other end.  Again... it all needs to be transparent.
>>
>
> What is the underlying physical layer, asynchronous (Ethernet, including
> a typical WISP radio) or isochronous (like a DS3)?  There are different
> muxes for each.  In the RAD catalog, for instance, the RICi family
> passes Ethernet over isochronous circuits (like native T1s and DS3s).
> The IPmux family passes T1s over native Ethernet.
>
> Now one more thing to think about.  If you're carrying T1s
> transparently, you may need to pass the timing.  I've run into cases
> where the VoIP provider didn't realize that supplying the timing was
> required. Often the remote end T1 can just be clocked locally, and
> there's no need to pass timing across the Ethernet.  But if the customer
> needs you to be a timing source, you may need to use one of these two
> methods:
>
> In one case it is straightforward -- when the physical layer is itself
> isochronous (self-clocked); that's how SONET and DS3 work, for instance.
>A mux for that can just pass timing natively, if you set it up right.
>
> If you're carrying the T1s over an asynchronous native medium like
> non-synchronous Ethernet (some Ethernet PMDs are synchronous and pass
> along timing, especially at 10G, but most aren't), and the T1s need
> timing, then you may need to supply the timing independent of the
> physical layer.  The usual way to do this is PWE3, Pseudowire Emulation
> over Ethernet, which is what the IPmux does; it's an option in Cisco
> (and many other) media gateways too.
>
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Re: [WISPA] Fiber MUX

[Fred Goldstein]

On 5/20/2013 11:12 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
> Hi All,
> Is anyone aware of a MUX that will let me MUX together T1s (needs to be
> transparent) and Ethernet?  I need to MUX them together on one end, and
> then unMUX on the other end.  Again... it all needs to be transparent.
>

What is the underlying physical layer, asynchronous (Ethernet, including 
a typical WISP radio) or isochronous (like a DS3)?  There are different 
muxes for each.  In the RAD catalog, for instance, the RICi family 
passes Ethernet over isochronous circuits (like native T1s and DS3s). 
The IPmux family passes T1s over native Ethernet.

Now one more thing to think about.  If you're carrying T1s 
transparently, you may need to pass the timing.  I've run into cases 
where the VoIP provider didn't realize that supplying the timing was 
required. Often the remote end T1 can just be clocked locally, and 
there's no need to pass timing across the Ethernet.  But if the customer 
needs you to be a timing source, you may need to use one of these two 
methods:

In one case it is straightforward -- when the physical layer is itself 
isochronous (self-clocked); that's how SONET and DS3 work, for instance. 
  A mux for that can just pass timing natively, if you set it up right.

If you're carrying the T1s over an asynchronous native medium like 
non-synchronous Ethernet (some Ethernet PMDs are synchronous and pass 
along timing, especially at 10G, but most aren't), and the T1s need 
timing, then you may need to supply the timing independent of the 
physical layer.  The usual way to do this is PWE3, Pseudowire Emulation 
over Ethernet, which is what the IPmux does; it's an option in Cisco 
(and many other) media gateways too.

-- 
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Re: [WISPA] Fiber MUX

[Duncan Scott]

I believe some RAD products will do this. We use some of their T1 fiber 
multiplexers and are pretty happy with them, don't run Ethernet on them 
though.

http://www.rad.com/12/Fiber-Multiplexers/13298/

~Duncan
On 5/20/2013 8:12 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
> Hi All,
> Is anyone aware of a MUX that will let me MUX together T1s (needs to be
> transparent) and Ethernet?  I need to MUX them together on one end, and
> then unMUX on the other end.  Again... it all needs to be transparent.

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Re: [WISPA] Fiber MUX

[Matt Hoppes]

I don't think the Cisco SIAD would work since I need the transparent T1 
aspect... but maybe?


Matt Hoppes
Director of Information Technology
Indigo Wireless
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On 5/20/13 11:33 AM, m...@tc3net.com wrote:
> Check for pseudowire devices, I have also used Cisco routers to create a 
> transparent bridge group over MLPPP, as well as bonding using the Zhone 
> etherextend products. Most of the time I use the Zhone's.
>
> Regards
> Michael Baird
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Eric Tykwinski" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 11:16:50 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber MUX
>
> Matt,
>
> We've used Net to Net equipment back in the day.
> They've been bought out multiple times probably since then, but the products
> were pretty simple to setup:
> http://www.zhone.com/products/legacy/ne/
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
> Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 11:13 AM
> To: WISPA General List; WISPA Fiber Discussion
> Subject: [WISPA] Fiber MUX
>
> Hi All,
> Is anyone aware of a MUX that will let me MUX together T1s (needs to be
> transparent) and Ethernet?  I need to MUX them together on one end, and then
> unMUX on the other end.  Again... it all needs to be transparent.
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Re: [WISPA] Fiber MUX

[mike]

Check for pseudowire devices, I have also used Cisco routers to create a 
transparent bridge group over MLPPP, as well as bonding using the Zhone 
etherextend products. Most of the time I use the Zhone's.

Regards
Michael Baird

- Original Message -
From: "Eric Tykwinski" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 11:16:50 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber MUX

Matt,

We've used Net to Net equipment back in the day.
They've been bought out multiple times probably since then, but the products
were pretty simple to setup:
http://www.zhone.com/products/legacy/ne/


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Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 11:13 AM
To: WISPA General List; WISPA Fiber Discussion
Subject: [WISPA] Fiber MUX

Hi All,
Is anyone aware of a MUX that will let me MUX together T1s (needs to be
transparent) and Ethernet?  I need to MUX them together on one end, and then
unMUX on the other end.  Again... it all needs to be transparent.
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Re: [WISPA] Fiber MUX

[Eric Tykwinski]

Matt,

We've used Net to Net equipment back in the day.
They've been bought out multiple times probably since then, but the products
were pretty simple to setup:
http://www.zhone.com/products/legacy/ne/


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Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 11:13 AM
To: WISPA General List; WISPA Fiber Discussion
Subject: [WISPA] Fiber MUX

Hi All,
Is anyone aware of a MUX that will let me MUX together T1s (needs to be
transparent) and Ethernet?  I need to MUX them together on one end, and then
unMUX on the other end.  Again... it all needs to be transparent.
-- 

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Re: [WISPA] Fiber Transport in Washington State

[Forbes Mercy]

NOAANet does that among others.

Forbes Mercy
Washington Broadband

On 3/12/2013 10:49 AM, Jeromie Reeves wrote:
> I am looking for some transport from Seattle (Westin) to Walla Walla.
> Anyone know who might be able to provide this?
>
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Re: [WISPA] Fiber Work

[Zach Mann]

Shoot me a email off list and I can get you in touch with a contact.
zma...@gmail.com
On Feb 11, 2013 8:15 AM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>
> I know of some guys looking for fiber work (boring, plowing, etc.) Could
also run the fiber in the conduit.
>
> Where does one go to find that kind of work? What contacts do you have to
make?
>
> They work for a company that did a bunch of BTOP work, but there hasn't
been much follow-up business. It sounds like they're willing to travel to
get a paycheck.
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Fiber Work

[Phil Curnutt]

CenturyLink is doing a lot of work in the Qwest areas they took over last
year.

Phil

On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 8:15 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

> I know of some guys looking for fiber work (boring, plowing, etc.) Could
> also run the fiber in the conduit.
>
> Where does one go to find that kind of work? What contacts do you have to
> make?
>
> They work for a company that did a bunch of BTOP work, but there hasn't
> been much follow-up business. It sounds like they're willing to travel to
> get a paycheck.
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Fiber handoff to Mikrotik

[James Howard]

We just got a PowerRouter V3 from LinkTechs.net.  Definitely recommend taking a 
look at those.  Not the cheapest thing out there but lots of ports and 
horsepower.

James Howard
LiteWire Internet

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Chuck Hogg
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 4:05 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber handoff to Mikrotik

2-3 weeks and the CCR will be available...other than that there are
plenty of x86 platforms or the 2011.

Regards,
Chuck


On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 1:00 PM, Dave Barker 
<mailto:d...@broadlincwireless.com%3e> wrote:
> I'm upgrading my data from the provider. It's fiber right now but hands off 
> from the provider as Ethernet. The new circuit is going to handoff as fiber. 
> Currently I'm using a RB493G router at my DEMARC, what Mikrotik router do you 
> all recommend to take a fiber handoff?
> Thanks
> Dave
> Broadlinc Wireless
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Re: [WISPA] Fiber handoff to Mikrotik

[Chuck Hogg]

2-3 weeks and the CCR will be available...other than that there are
plenty of x86 platforms or the 2011.

Regards,
Chuck


On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 1:00 PM, Dave Barker  wrote:
> I'm upgrading my data from the provider. It's fiber right now but hands off 
> from the provider as Ethernet. The new circuit is going to handoff as fiber. 
> Currently I'm using a RB493G router at my DEMARC, what Mikrotik router do you 
> all recommend to take a fiber handoff?
> Thanks
> Dave
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Re: [WISPA] Fiber handoff to Mikrotik

[Mike Hammett]

There's also BX and EX. ;-)



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- Original Message -
From: "Faisal Imtiaz" 
To: wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 3:48:51 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber handoff to Mikrotik

SM SFP's come in many versions..
most common / generic
Short Range   (LX)
Medium Range  (LH)
Long Range.   (ZX)

(then you also have the Colorized versions.. and not counting the Single 
Fiber SFP's. (Tx & Rx on a single fiber, rather than a pair).

For those interested in getting more info on these... here is a good 
starting document from CISCO..
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/collateral/modules/ps5455/ps6577/product_data_sheet0900aecd8033f885.html

LH & ZX stuff can get expensive.

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, Fl 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net

On 11/13/2012 4:28 PM, Chris Hudson wrote:
> It seems to me that the price is pretty much the same when sm vs mm, just
> goes up depending on the distance the sfp needs to go. For my application I
> needed to get an 80km sm version And it was 245 from aaxeon.com
>
> Chris
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 3:07 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber handoff to Mikrotik
>
> ... Scott, are you under the impression that the Single Mode Fiber
> Converters are More Expensive ?
> Today that is not the case...  One can get good quality SM or Multi-Mode
> Fiber Media converters (Gigabit) for $100 to $150.
>
> BTW.. if you are going to be needing multiple connections, one might
> consider putting in a Gigabit Switch with SFP ports on them...
>
>
> Regards.
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, Fl 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
> Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net
>
> On 11/13/2012 1:21 PM, Scott Reed wrote:
>> I depends on what fiber they hand you.  If it is Multi-Mode, you can get
>> sub $75.00 media converters and leave the 450 in place.
>> If it is Single Mode, you may as well get a router with SFP ports as to
>> get a media converter.
>>
>> On 11/13/2012 1:00 PM, Dave Barker wrote:
>>> I'm upgrading my data from the provider. It's fiber right now but hands
> off from the provider as Ethernet. The new circuit is going to handoff as
> fiber. Currently I'm using a RB493G router at my DEMARC, what Mikrotik
> router do you all recommend to take a fiber handoff?
>>> Thanks
>>> Dave
>>> Broadlinc Wireless
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Re: [WISPA] Fiber handoff to Mikrotik

[Faisal Imtiaz]

I am not picky about my SFP's... lots of time pick them up on Ebay... 
(Surplus).

If you like  I have SM Fiber GBIC's.   $20 each
if you need SFP's  (normal LX)... I have those too... $ 20 each.

If you want full Media converter last ones I bought were from CTC 
Union... www.ctcu.com.tw
. 
http://stores.ebay.com/Fiber-Optic-for-All-warehouse?_trksid=p2047675.l2563

These days, we are using Ethernet Switches with SFP's as media 
converters... with the exception of when we need a SMF Fast Ethernet 
Media Converter.


Regards.


Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, Fl 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net

On 11/13/2012 5:52 PM, Scott Reed wrote:
> Yes, when I priced them last year I didn't find any SM for < $350.
> Got a brand you like? I am going to need another soon.
>
> On 11/13/2012 4:06 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
>> ... Scott, are you under the impression that the Single Mode Fiber
>> Converters are More Expensive ?
>> Today that is not the case...  One can get good quality SM or Multi-Mode
>> Fiber Media converters (Gigabit) for $100 to $150.
>>
>> BTW.. if you are going to be needing multiple connections, one might
>> consider putting in a Gigabit Switch with SFP ports on them...
>>
>>
>> Regards.
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, Fl 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>> Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net
>>
>> On 11/13/2012 1:21 PM, Scott Reed wrote:
>>> I depends on what fiber they hand you. If it is Multi-Mode, you can get
>>> sub $75.00 media converters and leave the 450 in place.
>>> If it is Single Mode, you may as well get a router with SFP ports as to
>>> get a media converter.
>>>
>>> On 11/13/2012 1:00 PM, Dave Barker wrote:
 I'm upgrading my data from the provider. It's fiber right now but 
 hands off from the provider as Ethernet. The new circuit is going 
 to handoff as fiber. Currently I'm using a RB493G router at my 
 DEMARC, what Mikrotik router do you all recommend to take a fiber 
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Re: [WISPA] Fiber handoff to Mikrotik

[Scott Reed]

Yes, when I priced them last year I didn't find any SM for < $350.
Got a brand you like? I am going to need another soon.

On 11/13/2012 4:06 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
> ... Scott, are you under the impression that the Single Mode Fiber
> Converters are More Expensive ?
> Today that is not the case...  One can get good quality SM or Multi-Mode
> Fiber Media converters (Gigabit) for $100 to $150.
>
> BTW.. if you are going to be needing multiple connections, one might
> consider putting in a Gigabit Switch with SFP ports on them...
>
>
> Regards.
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, Fl 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
> Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net
>
> On 11/13/2012 1:21 PM, Scott Reed wrote:
>> I depends on what fiber they hand you.  If it is Multi-Mode, you can get
>> sub $75.00 media converters and leave the 450 in place.
>> If it is Single Mode, you may as well get a router with SFP ports as to
>> get a media converter.
>>
>> On 11/13/2012 1:00 PM, Dave Barker wrote:
>>> I'm upgrading my data from the provider. It's fiber right now but hands off 
>>> from the provider as Ethernet. The new circuit is going to handoff as 
>>> fiber. Currently I'm using a RB493G router at my DEMARC, what Mikrotik 
>>> router do you all recommend to take a fiber handoff?
>>> Thanks
>>> Dave
>>> Broadlinc Wireless
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Re: [WISPA] Fiber handoff to Mikrotik

[Faisal Imtiaz]

SM SFP's come in many versions..
most common / generic
Short Range   (LX)
Medium Range  (LH)
Long Range.   (ZX)

(then you also have the Colorized versions.. and not counting the Single 
Fiber SFP's. (Tx & Rx on a single fiber, rather than a pair).

For those interested in getting more info on these... here is a good 
starting document from CISCO..
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/collateral/modules/ps5455/ps6577/product_data_sheet0900aecd8033f885.html

LH & ZX stuff can get expensive.

Regards.

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Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, Fl 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net

On 11/13/2012 4:28 PM, Chris Hudson wrote:
> It seems to me that the price is pretty much the same when sm vs mm, just
> goes up depending on the distance the sfp needs to go. For my application I
> needed to get an 80km sm version And it was 245 from aaxeon.com
>
> Chris
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 3:07 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber handoff to Mikrotik
>
> ... Scott, are you under the impression that the Single Mode Fiber
> Converters are More Expensive ?
> Today that is not the case...  One can get good quality SM or Multi-Mode
> Fiber Media converters (Gigabit) for $100 to $150.
>
> BTW.. if you are going to be needing multiple connections, one might
> consider putting in a Gigabit Switch with SFP ports on them...
>
>
> Regards.
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, Fl 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
> Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net
>
> On 11/13/2012 1:21 PM, Scott Reed wrote:
>> I depends on what fiber they hand you.  If it is Multi-Mode, you can get
>> sub $75.00 media converters and leave the 450 in place.
>> If it is Single Mode, you may as well get a router with SFP ports as to
>> get a media converter.
>>
>> On 11/13/2012 1:00 PM, Dave Barker wrote:
>>> I'm upgrading my data from the provider. It's fiber right now but hands
> off from the provider as Ethernet. The new circuit is going to handoff as
> fiber. Currently I'm using a RB493G router at my DEMARC, what Mikrotik
> router do you all recommend to take a fiber handoff?
>>> Thanks
>>> Dave
>>> Broadlinc Wireless
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Re: [WISPA] Fiber handoff to Mikrotik

[Chris Hudson]

It seems to me that the price is pretty much the same when sm vs mm, just
goes up depending on the distance the sfp needs to go. For my application I
needed to get an 80km sm version And it was 245 from aaxeon.com

Chris

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 3:07 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber handoff to Mikrotik

... Scott, are you under the impression that the Single Mode Fiber
Converters are More Expensive ?
Today that is not the case...  One can get good quality SM or Multi-Mode
Fiber Media converters (Gigabit) for $100 to $150.

BTW.. if you are going to be needing multiple connections, one might
consider putting in a Gigabit Switch with SFP ports on them...


Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, Fl 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net

On 11/13/2012 1:21 PM, Scott Reed wrote:
> I depends on what fiber they hand you.  If it is Multi-Mode, you can get
> sub $75.00 media converters and leave the 450 in place.
> If it is Single Mode, you may as well get a router with SFP ports as to
> get a media converter.
>
> On 11/13/2012 1:00 PM, Dave Barker wrote:
>> I'm upgrading my data from the provider. It's fiber right now but hands
off from the provider as Ethernet. The new circuit is going to handoff as
fiber. Currently I'm using a RB493G router at my DEMARC, what Mikrotik
router do you all recommend to take a fiber handoff?
>> Thanks
>> Dave
>> Broadlinc Wireless
>> ___
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>> Wireless@wispa.org
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Re: [WISPA] Fiber handoff to Mikrotik

[Faisal Imtiaz]

... Scott, are you under the impression that the Single Mode Fiber 
Converters are More Expensive ?
Today that is not the case...  One can get good quality SM or Multi-Mode 
Fiber Media converters (Gigabit) for $100 to $150.

BTW.. if you are going to be needing multiple connections, one might 
consider putting in a Gigabit Switch with SFP ports on them...


Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, Fl 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net

On 11/13/2012 1:21 PM, Scott Reed wrote:
> I depends on what fiber they hand you.  If it is Multi-Mode, you can get
> sub $75.00 media converters and leave the 450 in place.
> If it is Single Mode, you may as well get a router with SFP ports as to
> get a media converter.
>
> On 11/13/2012 1:00 PM, Dave Barker wrote:
>> I'm upgrading my data from the provider. It's fiber right now but hands off 
>> from the provider as Ethernet. The new circuit is going to handoff as fiber. 
>> Currently I'm using a RB493G router at my DEMARC, what Mikrotik router do 
>> you all recommend to take a fiber handoff?
>> Thanks
>> Dave
>> Broadlinc Wireless
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Re: [WISPA] Fiber handoff to Mikrotik

[Nick Olsen]

Also depends on your commit. How was your CPU load looking with the RB493G? 
If you're increasing bandwidth, And you were on the edge of needing a 
faster router. Might as well do them at the same time.

Baltic Networks/RouterMaxx with SFP ports comes to mind as a nice step up.

Nick Olsen
Network Operations (855) FLSPEED  x106


 From: "Scott Reed" 
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 1:22 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber handoff to Mikrotik

I depends on what fiber they hand you.  If it is Multi-Mode, you can get 
sub $75.00 media converters and leave the 450 in place.
If it is Single Mode, you may as well get a router with SFP ports as to 
get a media converter.

On 11/13/2012 1:00 PM, Dave Barker wrote:
> I'm upgrading my data from the provider. It's fiber right now but hands 
off from the provider as Ethernet. The new circuit is going to handoff as 
fiber. Currently I'm using a RB493G router at my DEMARC, what Mikrotik 
router do you all recommend to take a fiber handoff?
> Thanks
> Dave
> Broadlinc Wireless
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11/08/12
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>

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Re: [WISPA] Fiber handoff to Mikrotik

[Scott Reed]

I depends on what fiber they hand you.  If it is Multi-Mode, you can get 
sub $75.00 media converters and leave the 450 in place.
If it is Single Mode, you may as well get a router with SFP ports as to 
get a media converter.

On 11/13/2012 1:00 PM, Dave Barker wrote:
> I'm upgrading my data from the provider. It's fiber right now but hands off 
> from the provider as Ethernet. The new circuit is going to handoff as fiber. 
> Currently I'm using a RB493G router at my DEMARC, what Mikrotik router do you 
> all recommend to take a fiber handoff?
> Thanks
> Dave
> Broadlinc Wireless
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Re: [WISPA] Fiber handoff to Mikrotik

[Josh Luthman]

A whole bunch of them have SFPs now.

If it was my choice, I'd get x86.

Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 1:00 PM, Dave Barker wrote:

> I'm upgrading my data from the provider. It's fiber right now but hands
> off from the provider as Ethernet. The new circuit is going to handoff as
> fiber. Currently I'm using a RB493G router at my DEMARC, what Mikrotik
> router do you all recommend to take a fiber handoff?
> Thanks
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Re: [WISPA] Fiber handoff to Mikrotik

[Chris Hudson]

I'm using a RB2011LS-IN on a gigabit fiber that I have 100mb service an it's 
working great so far.

Chris




Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S II on AT&TDave Barker 
 wrote:I'm upgrading my data from the provider. 
It's fiber right now but hands off from the provider as Ethernet. The new 
circuit is going to handoff as fiber. Currently I'm using a RB493G router at my 
DEMARC, what Mikrotik router do you all recommend to take a fiber handoff?
Thanks
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Re: [WISPA] Fiber On Air (gigabit wireless)

[Justin Wilson]

Entirely possible. Bandwidth across it doubtful.

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-Original Message-
From: Josh Luthman 
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 13:56:08 -0400
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber On Air (gigabit wireless)

>I talked with someone Friday that said he had a laser link doing 35
>miles.  It was military or medical, something "high up".  Is this
>possible?
>
>I always imagined the links to be super difficult, but I'm interested
>in any knowledge you have on them.
>
>Josh Luthman
>Office: 937-552-2340
>Direct: 937-552-2343
>1100 Wayne St
>Suite 1337
>Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
>On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 1:47 PM, Daniel White  wrote:
>> Where will the link be located?  80GHz is unlicensed in some parts of
>>the
>> world.  In the US, BridgeWave includes the 80GHz license with the
>>radio, so
>> that shouldn't affect the purchasing decision.
>>
>> Taking my vendor hat off, I would avoid FSO if you can.  Very
>>susceptible to
>> changes in the environment, low MTBF, twist/sway is a major concern.
>>
>> If you got any questions - feel free to ask off or onlist.
>>
>> Daniel White
>> Director of Field Engineering
>> BridgeWave Communications
>> daniel.wh...@bridgewave.com
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Jawad A Hai
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 11:03 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber On Air (gigabit wireless)
>>
>> 60 GHZ product (AR60X) is max 2.5 KM only. I just browsed their website.
>>
>>
>> --
>> From: "Josh Luthman" 
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 6:51 PM
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber On Air (gigabit wireless)
>>
>>> Call Bridgewave.  Your only option seems to be 60 Ghz.
>>>
>>> Why can't you do licensed?
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Jawad A Hai 
>>>wrote:
>>>> Hello All,
>>>>
>>>> I have a requirement to provide gigabit between two sites, fiber is
>>>> one option.
>>>> but the distance is 2.6 KM.
>>>> We have a reseller who came up with gigabit wireless solution.
>>>> its from fsona.
>>>>
>>>> http://fsona.com/product.php?sec=1250m
>>>>
>>>> Have any body used the above or any similar products ?
>>>> Any suggestions.
>>>> Cannot do 5 ghz or licensed microwaves.
>>>> Appreciate your comments and suggestions.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> Aali
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Fiber On Air (gigabit wireless)

[Dorn Hetzel]

Well, sure, it's possible, as long as you are able to use levels of laser
power that would be really unfriendly to anyone unlucky enough to step in
front of it.  You can bounce laser signals off the reflector left on the
moon, so I don't think 35 miles would be that much of a challenge :)  Now,
could a civilian deploy something with this range at a reasonable bandwidth
in a location where faces might conceivable intercept the beam?  I'm
guessing not so much...

On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 1:56 PM, Josh Luthman
wrote:

> I talked with someone Friday that said he had a laser link doing 35
> miles.  It was military or medical, something "high up".  Is this
> possible?
>
> I always imagined the links to be super difficult, but I'm interested
> in any knowledge you have on them.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 1:47 PM, Daniel White  wrote:
> > Where will the link be located?  80GHz is unlicensed in some parts of the
> > world.  In the US, BridgeWave includes the 80GHz license with the radio,
> so
> > that shouldn't affect the purchasing decision.
> >
> > Taking my vendor hat off, I would avoid FSO if you can.  Very susceptible
> to
> > changes in the environment, low MTBF, twist/sway is a major concern.
> >
> > If you got any questions - feel free to ask off or onlist.
> >
> > Daniel White
> > Director of Field Engineering
> > BridgeWave Communications
> > daniel.wh...@bridgewave.com
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> > Behalf Of Jawad A Hai
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 11:03 AM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber On Air (gigabit wireless)
> >
> > 60 GHZ product (AR60X) is max 2.5 KM only. I just browsed their website.
> >
> >
> > --
> > From: "Josh Luthman" 
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 6:51 PM
> > To: "WISPA General List" 
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber On Air (gigabit wireless)
> >
> >> Call Bridgewave.  Your only option seems to be 60 Ghz.
> >>
> >> Why can't you do licensed?
> >>
> >> Josh Luthman
> >> Office: 937-552-2340
> >> Direct: 937-552-2343
> >> 1100 Wayne St
> >> Suite 1337
> >> Troy, OH 45373
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Jawad A Hai 
> wrote:
> >>> Hello All,
> >>>
> >>> I have a requirement to provide gigabit between two sites, fiber is
> >>> one option.
> >>> but the distance is 2.6 KM.
> >>> We have a reseller who came up with gigabit wireless solution.
> >>> its from fsona.
> >>>
> >>> http://fsona.com/product.php?sec=1250m
> >>>
> >>> Have any body used the above or any similar products ?
> >>> Any suggestions.
> >>> Cannot do 5 ghz or licensed microwaves.
> >>> Appreciate your comments and suggestions.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Regards
> >>> Aali
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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Re: [WISPA] Fiber On Air (gigabit wireless)

[Josh Luthman]

I talked with someone Friday that said he had a laser link doing 35
miles.  It was military or medical, something "high up".  Is this
possible?

I always imagined the links to be super difficult, but I'm interested
in any knowledge you have on them.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 1:47 PM, Daniel White  wrote:
> Where will the link be located?  80GHz is unlicensed in some parts of the
> world.  In the US, BridgeWave includes the 80GHz license with the radio, so
> that shouldn't affect the purchasing decision.
>
> Taking my vendor hat off, I would avoid FSO if you can.  Very susceptible to
> changes in the environment, low MTBF, twist/sway is a major concern.
>
> If you got any questions - feel free to ask off or onlist.
>
> Daniel White
> Director of Field Engineering
> BridgeWave Communications
> daniel.wh...@bridgewave.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Jawad A Hai
> Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 11:03 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber On Air (gigabit wireless)
>
> 60 GHZ product (AR60X) is max 2.5 KM only. I just browsed their website.
>
>
> --
> From: "Josh Luthman" 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 6:51 PM
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber On Air (gigabit wireless)
>
>> Call Bridgewave.  Your only option seems to be 60 Ghz.
>>
>> Why can't you do licensed?
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
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>>> Hello All,
>>>
>>> I have a requirement to provide gigabit between two sites, fiber is
>>> one option.
>>> but the distance is 2.6 KM.
>>> We have a reseller who came up with gigabit wireless solution.
>>> its from fsona.
>>>
>>> http://fsona.com/product.php?sec=1250m
>>>
>>> Have any body used the above or any similar products ?
>>> Any suggestions.
>>> Cannot do 5 ghz or licensed microwaves.
>>> Appreciate your comments and suggestions.
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Aali
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Fiber On Air (gigabit wireless)

[Daniel White]

Where will the link be located?  80GHz is unlicensed in some parts of the
world.  In the US, BridgeWave includes the 80GHz license with the radio, so
that shouldn't affect the purchasing decision.

Taking my vendor hat off, I would avoid FSO if you can.  Very susceptible to
changes in the environment, low MTBF, twist/sway is a major concern.

If you got any questions - feel free to ask off or onlist.

Daniel White
Director of Field Engineering
BridgeWave Communications
daniel.wh...@bridgewave.com

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jawad A Hai
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 11:03 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber On Air (gigabit wireless)

60 GHZ product (AR60X) is max 2.5 KM only. I just browsed their website.


--
From: "Josh Luthman" 
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 6:51 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber On Air (gigabit wireless)

> Call Bridgewave.  Your only option seems to be 60 Ghz.
>
> Why can't you do licensed?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Jawad A Hai  wrote:
>> Hello All,
>>
>> I have a requirement to provide gigabit between two sites, fiber is 
>> one option.
>> but the distance is 2.6 KM.
>> We have a reseller who came up with gigabit wireless solution.
>> its from fsona.
>>
>> http://fsona.com/product.php?sec=1250m
>>
>> Have any body used the above or any similar products ?
>> Any suggestions.
>> Cannot do 5 ghz or licensed microwaves.
>> Appreciate your comments and suggestions.
>>
>>
>> Regards
>> Aali
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Fiber On Air (gigabit wireless)

[Daniel White]

The limit is based on O2 absorption.  It is hard limit, not hardware or
software based but atmospheric attenuation based.

2.5km is usually a slam dunk for 80GHz.

Daniel White


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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Fred Goldstein
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 11:31 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber On Air (gigabit wireless)

At 10/26/2011 12:02 PM, Aali wrote:
>60 GHZ product (AR60X) is max 2.5 KM only. I just browsed their website.

It's not clear if that limit is hard (timing-based) or soft (loss-based).
If you're in a relatively dry area, and it's a soft limit, you might get a
bit of extra range.  But I suspect that only would apply in FE mode, not GE
mode, which needs more power.


I'd also check Dragonwave, whose brochures are behind a registration/mail
wall.  But reliable GE for that distance on microwave is a stretch.

The fSONA product is free space optical, not microwave.  It might do the job
but FSO requires a genuine, true, real line-of-sight path.


>--
>From: "Josh Luthman" 
>Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 6:51 PM
>To: "WISPA General List" 
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber On Air (gigabit wireless)
>
> > Call Bridgewave.  Your only option seems to be 60 Ghz.
> >
> > Why can't you do licensed?
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Jawad A Hai 
wrote:
> >> Hello All,
> >>
> >> I have a requirement to provide gigabit between two sites, fiber is one
> >> option.
> >> but the distance is 2.6 KM.
> >> We have a reseller who came up with gigabit wireless solution.
> >> its from fsona.
> >>
> >> http://fsona.com/product.php?sec=1250m
> >>
> >> Have any body used the above or any similar products ?
> >> Any suggestions.
> >> Cannot do 5 ghz or licensed microwaves.
> >> Appreciate your comments and suggestions.
> >>
> >>
> >> Regards
> >> Aali
> >>

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Re: [WISPA] Fiber On Air (gigabit wireless)

[can...@believewireless.net]

80GHz will work but it's pricey.

On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 12:13 PM, Matt Jenkins
 wrote:
> Where is this link going to be? (City/State?)
>
> On 10/26/2011 09:02 AM, Jawad A Hai wrote:
>> 60 GHZ product (AR60X) is max 2.5 KM only. I just browsed their website.
>>
>>
>> --
>> From: "Josh Luthman"
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 6:51 PM
>> To: "WISPA General List"
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber On Air (gigabit wireless)
>>
>>> Call Bridgewave.  Your only option seems to be 60 Ghz.
>>>
>>> Why can't you do licensed?
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Jawad A Hai  wrote:
>>>> Hello All,
>>>>
>>>> I have a requirement to provide gigabit between two sites, fiber is one
>>>> option.
>>>> but the distance is 2.6 KM.
>>>> We have a reseller who came up with gigabit wireless solution.
>>>> its from fsona.
>>>>
>>>> http://fsona.com/product.php?sec=1250m
>>>>
>>>> Have any body used the above or any similar products ?
>>>> Any suggestions.
>>>> Cannot do 5 ghz or licensed microwaves.
>>>> Appreciate your comments and suggestions.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> Aali
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Fiber On Air (gigabit wireless)

[Fred Goldstein]

At 10/26/2011 12:02 PM, Aali wrote:
>60 GHZ product (AR60X) is max 2.5 KM only. I just browsed their website.

It's not clear if that limit is hard (timing-based) or soft 
(loss-based).  If you're in a relatively dry area, and it's a soft 
limit, you might get a bit of extra range.  But I suspect that only 
would apply in FE mode, not GE mode, which needs more power.

I'd also check Dragonwave, whose brochures are behind a 
registration/mail wall.  But reliable GE for that distance on 
microwave is a stretch.

The fSONA product is free space optical, not microwave.  It might do 
the job but FSO requires a genuine, true, real line-of-sight path.


>--
>From: "Josh Luthman" 
>Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 6:51 PM
>To: "WISPA General List" 
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber On Air (gigabit wireless)
>
> > Call Bridgewave.  Your only option seems to be 60 Ghz.
> >
> > Why can't you do licensed?
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Jawad A Hai  wrote:
> >> Hello All,
> >>
> >> I have a requirement to provide gigabit between two sites, fiber is one
> >> option.
> >> but the distance is 2.6 KM.
> >> We have a reseller who came up with gigabit wireless solution.
> >> its from fsona.
> >>
> >> http://fsona.com/product.php?sec=1250m
> >>
> >> Have any body used the above or any similar products ?
> >> Any suggestions.
> >> Cannot do 5 ghz or licensed microwaves.
> >> Appreciate your comments and suggestions.
> >>
> >>
> >> Regards
> >> Aali
> >>

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Re: [WISPA] Fiber On Air (gigabit wireless)

[Matt Jenkins]

Where is this link going to be? (City/State?)

On 10/26/2011 09:02 AM, Jawad A Hai wrote:
> 60 GHZ product (AR60X) is max 2.5 KM only. I just browsed their website.
>
>
> --
> From: "Josh Luthman"
> Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 6:51 PM
> To: "WISPA General List"
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber On Air (gigabit wireless)
>
>> Call Bridgewave.  Your only option seems to be 60 Ghz.
>>
>> Why can't you do licensed?
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Jawad A Hai  wrote:
>>> Hello All,
>>>
>>> I have a requirement to provide gigabit between two sites, fiber is one
>>> option.
>>> but the distance is 2.6 KM.
>>> We have a reseller who came up with gigabit wireless solution.
>>> its from fsona.
>>>
>>> http://fsona.com/product.php?sec=1250m
>>>
>>> Have any body used the above or any similar products ?
>>> Any suggestions.
>>> Cannot do 5 ghz or licensed microwaves.
>>> Appreciate your comments and suggestions.
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Aali
>>>
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Fiber On Air (gigabit wireless)

[Jawad A Hai]

60 GHZ product (AR60X) is max 2.5 KM only. I just browsed their website.


--
From: "Josh Luthman" 
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 6:51 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber On Air (gigabit wireless)

> Call Bridgewave.  Your only option seems to be 60 Ghz.
>
> Why can't you do licensed?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Jawad A Hai  wrote:
>> Hello All,
>>
>> I have a requirement to provide gigabit between two sites, fiber is one
>> option.
>> but the distance is 2.6 KM.
>> We have a reseller who came up with gigabit wireless solution.
>> its from fsona.
>>
>> http://fsona.com/product.php?sec=1250m
>>
>> Have any body used the above or any similar products ?
>> Any suggestions.
>> Cannot do 5 ghz or licensed microwaves.
>> Appreciate your comments and suggestions.
>>
>>
>> Regards
>> Aali
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Fiber On Air (gigabit wireless)

[Josh Luthman]

Call Bridgewave.  Your only option seems to be 60 Ghz.

Why can't you do licensed?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Jawad A Hai  wrote:
> Hello All,
>
> I have a requirement to provide gigabit between two sites, fiber is one
> option.
> but the distance is 2.6 KM.
> We have a reseller who came up with gigabit wireless solution.
> its from fsona.
>
> http://fsona.com/product.php?sec=1250m
>
> Have any body used the above or any similar products ?
> Any suggestions.
> Cannot do 5 ghz or licensed microwaves.
> Appreciate your comments and suggestions.
>
>
> Regards
> Aali
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Fiber Termination Kit

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Now that I figured out what I was doing wrong, I really like the AFL 
FAST connectors.  I use their fiber, connectors and tool kit.
Tools just under $2K.  Connectors < $12.00 each.
Fiber price is competitive.
I purchase from TeamSales in Indianapolis.  Contact is Stasia Davis, 
sta...@teamsalesinc.com

On 10/25/2011 4:42 PM, Matt wrote:
> We are looking to trench some fiber to a new tower a few hundred foot
> away.  Was wandering how cost effective to cut and terminate our own
> fiber for this would be?  Its close enough for cat-6 to reach but was
> thinking just dropping fiber instead to avoid needing arrestors.  What
> fiber does everyone recommend and what connector kit?  If its to
> expensive may just get some premade fiber runs or go cat-5/6.
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Re: [WISPA] Fiber Termination Kit

[Philip Dorr]

We currently use AMP Lightcrimp Plus, but are looking at using Belden
FiberExpress Brilliance in the future.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQtiUTY-6zs
http://www.graybar.com/documents/belden-fiberexpress-installation-guide.pdf

On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 3:42 PM, Matt  wrote:
> We are looking to trench some fiber to a new tower a few hundred foot
> away.  Was wandering how cost effective to cut and terminate our own
> fiber for this would be?  Its close enough for cat-6 to reach but was
> thinking just dropping fiber instead to avoid needing arrestors.  What
> fiber does everyone recommend and what connector kit?  If its to
> expensive may just get some premade fiber runs or go cat-5/6.
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Re: [WISPA] Fiber termination

[Philip Dorr]

We use an Amp Lightcrimp Plus kit. It can also do LC, SC, and ST.

It cost ~400 used, it is simple, and quick (if done correctly).

On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 2:38 PM, Scott Carullo wrote:

> Cheap, simple, does good job = pick 2
>
> I recommend the Corning Pretium Unicam kit  there are a few variations
> but it will allow you to install LC / SC / ST end no problem on both single
> and multimode cable.  We have one use it all the time.
>
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>
>
> I need cheap and simple fiber termination equipment - single and multimode.
> I have fiber certification but haven't done it in a while. Tired of
> unreliable installers.
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Re: [WISPA] Fiber termination

[Scott Carullo]

Cheap, simple, does good job = pick 2


I recommend the Corning Pretium Unicam kit  there are a few variations 
but it will allow you to install LC / SC / ST end no problem on both single 
and multimode cable.  We have one use it all the time.


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I need cheap and simple fiber termination equipment - single and multimode. 
 I have fiber certification but haven't done it in a while. Tired of 
unreliable installers. 


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Re: [WISPA] Fiber termination

[Akinlolu C. Ajayi-Obe]

I need cheap and simple fiber termination equipment - single and multimode.  I 
have fiber certification but haven't done it in a while. Tired of unreliable 
installers. 


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Re: [WISPA] Fiber Media Converter

[Bryan Fields]

On 8/31/2011 21:03, Jeremy Parr wrote:
> On 31 August 2011 20:58, Bryan Fields  > wrote:
>
> Hate to say it, but if it says Trendnet, it has no place in a service
> provider network.
>
> The best way to solve this is with a managed switch that takes SFP's or
> the older GBIC's.  You can mix and match optics at that point.
>
>
> Where is that +1 button
>
> Allied Telesis here if we need cheap unmanaged media converters, but 99% of
> our fiber stuff is SFP or X2 based.
And here I was putting on my asbestos underwear expecting the incoming  flames! 

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Re: [WISPA] Fiber Media Converter

[Me]

We have used a ton of Planet units with cusstomers and with the exception of  
a bad walwart we have never had an issue


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Subject: [WISPA] Fiber Media Converter

What is everyone using for a fiber media converter?  Have been testing
this unit in the network room:

http://www.trendnet.com/store/products/proddetail.asp?prod=330_TFC-1000S20&ca 
t=22


One thing I have seen is the auto negotiation on the copper 1000BASE-T
connection can occasionally go into endless cycles with some gear.
You can generate the error by rapid unplugging the ethernet and then
plugging it back in.  Causes both ends of the link to drop copper
ethernet link which I guess it should.  Seems if you unplug for 30
seconds or so before restoring it things seem to go better.  Never
seems to act up on a switch so I wander if its the other gear at
fault.

Is this just kind of a typical thing on units like this or are there
better media converters?


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Re: [WISPA] Fiber Media Converter

[Jeremy Parr]

On 31 August 2011 20:58, Bryan Fields  wrote:

> **
> On 8/31/2011 20:49, Matt wrote:
>
> What is everyone using for a fiber media converter?  Have been testing
> this unit in the network room:
> http://www.trendnet.com/store/products/proddetail.asp?prod=330_TFC-1000S20&cat=22
>
>
> Hate to say it, but if it says Trendnet, it has no place in a service
> provider network.
>
> The best way to solve this is with a managed switch that takes SFP's or the
> older GBIC's.  You can mix and match optics at that point.
>

Where is that +1 button

Allied Telesis here if we need cheap unmanaged media converters, but 99% of
our fiber stuff is SFP or X2 based.



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Re: [WISPA] Fiber Media Converter

[Bryan Fields]

On 8/31/2011 20:49, Matt wrote:
> What is everyone using for a fiber media converter?  Have been testing
> this unit in the network room:
>
> http://www.trendnet.com/store/products/proddetail.asp?prod=330_TFC-1000S20&cat=22

Hate to say it, but if it says Trendnet, it has no place in a service provider
network.

The best way to solve this is with a managed switch that takes SFP's or the
older GBIC's.  You can mix and match optics at that point.
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Re: [WISPA] Fiber up towers?

[Philip Dorr]

I do not know exactly what guage/brand/type of wire, but it has "3125
07:08 ROHS" printed on it and then a number of feet.  It is ran up the
side of the tower and cable tied about every five feet. On the bottom
end of the cable we have a PolyPhaser PLDO-120US20A to protect the
equipment in the building from lightning strikes.

The Armored fiber says "Chromatic technologies, Inc. Optical Fiber
Cable 700 series ==62.5/125== 6F PN 200032.  03/01" and then the
number of meters on it. and is cable tied with the AC.

On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 7:59 PM, Josh Luthman
 wrote:
> What is used to run AC up the tower?  What kind of current can it hold?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
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> wrote:
>>
>> I haven't done any, but I have seen where they run it in PVC, but every
>> 20' or 30' they put in a section of flexible that is looped 360* so that the
>> fiber is "supported" every 30'.  I would think that regardless of what type
>> it is you would want it supported.  Most cable has a weight support limit
>> that could easily be exceeded with the amount of cable required to go up a
>> tower.
>>
>> Justin Wilson wrote:
>>
>> This is a question for any of you running fiber up your towers.
>>
>> 1.How are you doing strain relief on the fiber?
>> 2.Do you run it in conduit or use the armored stuff and not worry about
>> conduit?
>> 3.If conduit. Is it flexible or rigid?
>> 4.What type of transceiver are you using at the top?
>>
>> Pics? Lessons learned?
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Fiber up towers?

[Jason Bailey]

110 vac. ran in conduit to a nema box mounted on tower,plastic conduit to run 
it and place junction boxes every 30' to place strain relief and assist the 
pull of fiber and romex.
--- On Thu, 7/15/10, Josh Luthman  wrote:


From: Josh Luthman 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber up towers?
To: "WISPA General List" 
Date: Thursday, July 15, 2010, 8:59 PM


What is used to run AC up the tower?  What kind of current can it hold?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 7:38 PM, Scott Reed  wrote:


I haven't done any, but I have seen where they run it in PVC, but every 20' or 
30' they put in a section of flexible that is looped 360* so that the fiber is 
"supported" every 30'.  I would think that regardless of what type it is you 
would want it supported.  Most cable has a weight support limit that could 
easily be exceeded with the amount of cable required to go up a tower.

Justin Wilson wrote: 



This is a question for any of you running fiber up your towers.

1.How are you doing strain relief on the fiber? 
2.Do you run it in conduit or use the armored stuff and not worry about conduit?
3.If conduit. Is it flexible or rigid?
4.What type of transceiver are you using at the top?

Pics? Lessons learned?

-- 
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Re: [WISPA] Fiber up towers?

[lakeland]

Corning riser rated armored is rated for 300 feet of unsupport vertical routing.

It can be supported with a cable grip for 3/8" cable or LMR400.  

It can be attache to the tower with LMR400 snap ins or "butterfly" clamps or 
heavy duty ty-wraps.

This is the cable that looks like BX power cable
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Re: [WISPA] Fiber up towers?

[Josh Luthman]

What is used to run AC up the tower?  What kind of current can it hold?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
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On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 7:38 PM, Scott Reed wrote:

>  I haven't done any, but I have seen where they run it in PVC, but every
> 20' or 30' they put in a section of flexible that is looped 360* so that the
> fiber is "supported" every 30'.  I would think that regardless of what type
> it is you would want it supported.  Most cable has a weight support limit
> that could easily be exceeded with the amount of cable required to go up a
> tower.
>
> Justin Wilson wrote:
>
> This is a question for any of you running fiber up your towers.
>
> 1.How are you doing strain relief on the fiber?
> 2.Do you run it in conduit or use the armored stuff and not worry about
> conduit?
> 3.If conduit. Is it flexible or rigid?
> 4.What type of transceiver are you using at the top?
>
> Pics? Lessons learned?
>
> --
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> http://www.mtin.net/blog
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Re: [WISPA] Fiber up towers?

[Scott Reed]

I haven't done any, but I have seen where they run it in PVC, but every 
20' or 30' they put in a section of flexible that is looped 360* so that 
the fiber is "supported" every 30'.  I would think that regardless of 
what type it is you would want it supported.  Most cable has a weight 
support limit that could easily be exceeded with the amount of cable 
required to go up a tower.


Justin Wilson wrote:

This is a question for any of you running fiber up your towers.

1.How are you doing strain relief on the fiber?
2.Do you run it in conduit or use the armored stuff and not worry 
about conduit?

3.If conduit. Is it flexible or rigid?
4.What type of transceiver are you using at the top?

Pics? Lessons learned?

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Re: [WISPA] Fiber up towers?

[Philip Dorr]

1. I do not think we are doing strain relief on the normal fiber, but
on the armored we attached it to the tower with brackets every 4 feet
or so.
2.  We have done both.  The non armored is easier to get to the
fibers, but the armored can be attached directly to the tower.
3.  The armored is attached directly to the tower, but the normal is
in rigid conduit, until ~2 feet from the box at the top and then it is
~4 feet of flexible conduit
4.  Normal fiber to Ethernet transceiver, the same we use at the
bottom.  We run AC up the tower to power our radios, fiber module(s),
and router.

On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 3:07 PM, Justin Wilson  wrote:
> This is a question for any of you running fiber up your towers.
>
> 1.How are you doing strain relief on the fiber?
> 2.Do you run it in conduit or use the armored stuff and not worry about
> conduit?
> 3.If conduit. Is it flexible or rigid?
> 4.What type of transceiver are you using at the top?
>
> Pics? Lessons learned?
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Re: [WISPA] Fiber GePon unit

[Ryan Spott]

I would forward this to the motor...@afmug.com list.

ryan

On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 1:28 PM, Cameron Kilton  wrote:

> I have a VersaTech/Tellion GePon unit for sale. If you are interested
> please contact off list, We paid over $3000 for it. It can do 128 subs.
> We used it for testing but we decided on a ethernet design.
>
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Re: [WISPA] Fiber Terminations

[Patrick Leary]

The ones I used years ago were big pigs and the OTDRs we in huge rolling
cases. The last fusion splicer I saw was a little DC model that was
about the size of sandwich. It is a measure of my advancing years I
suppose.


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On 2 March 2010 13:28, Bob Moldashel  wrote:

> OK  All my thrifty friends out there
>
> What is the fastest, most reliable and cost effective system you have 
> found to terminate multimode fiber?
>
> I'm sure someone out there knows this answer.  I'm still using Corning

> Unicam and at $12+ per connection it gets up there doing a 500 
> termination job.
>

Hang around the loading dock of your local Cable TV office and buy the
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Re: [WISPA] Fiber Terminations

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On 2 March 2010 13:28, Bob Moldashel  wrote:

> OK  All my thrifty friends out there
>
> What is the fastest, most reliable and cost effective system you have
> found to terminate multimode fiber?
>
> I'm sure someone out there knows this answer.  I'm still using Corning
> Unicam and at $12+ per connection it gets up there doing a 500
> termination job.
>

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Re: [WISPA] Fiber Terminations

[Patrick Leary]

Both are feasible, though technically terminating would result in less
loss since a splice adds another point of attenuation, if small. It also
depends on the type of splice. Fusion splicing provides the best splice
result though a mechanical splice might be faster and avoids the cost of
renting a splicer. Terminations (which also do not require rental
equipment) are much simpler than when I was a fiber tech and should not
cost you much.


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Isn't the trend these days to splice already terminated tails rather
than installing connectors?  I hear splicing is much faster and touts a
less chance of error.  At least that's what I learned last time we
looked into doing our own fiber terminations...

Best,


Brad


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OK  All my thrifty friends out there

What is the fastest, most reliable and cost effective system you have
found to terminate multimode fiber?

I'm sure someone out there knows this answer.  I'm still using Corning
Unicam and at $12+ per connection it gets up there doing a 500
termination job.

Tnx

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Re: [WISPA] Fiber Terminations

[Scott Reed]

I like these:
http://www.afltele.com/resourcecenter/userguides/pdfs/FAST-SC-ST-LC-Connector-Instructions.pdf
I think they were about $6.00 each.  They are as easy to install as the 
website claims.

Bob Moldashel wrote:
> OK  All my thrifty friends out there
>
> What is the fastest, most reliable and cost effective system you have 
> found to terminate multimode fiber?
>
> I'm sure someone out there knows this answer.  I'm still using Corning 
> Unicam and at $12+ per connection it gets up there doing a 500 
> termination job.
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Re: [WISPA] Fiber Terminations

[Brad Belton]

Isn't the trend these days to splice already terminated tails rather than
installing connectors?  I hear splicing is much faster and touts a less
chance of error.  At least that's what I learned last time we looked into
doing our own fiber terminations...

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OK  All my thrifty friends out there

What is the fastest, most reliable and cost effective system you have 
found to terminate multimode fiber?

I'm sure someone out there knows this answer.  I'm still using Corning 
Unicam and at $12+ per connection it gets up there doing a 500 
termination job.

Tnx

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Re: [WISPA] Fiber/Copper Combo Wire

[Blair Davis]

There is no reason one couldn't do a custom POE that was AC.

A couple thoughts...

To maintain a max input of 48VDC, (to be under the low voltage codes),
and to deliver 50W topside, is going to require a 14-16AWG wire pair
and a 48V 60W supply at the bottom.

I suspect that you will need to get some DC-DC converters in various
sizes to run the equipment up there...


os10ru...@gmail.com wrote:

  Isn't POE DC?

On May 9, 2009, at 5:37 PM, George Rogato wrote:

  
  
Or a person could buy a set of up down transformers to increase the
voltage going up the tower to avoid voltage drop.

Of course, running 110 up to the top is probably easier.

Jack Unger wrote:


  You have the best solution - regulating at the top. Otherwise, as you
state, the voltage at the top will go up when the current load goes
down. The voltage at the top will go down when the current load  
goes up.
MUCH better to regulate at the top...

os10ru...@gmail.com wrote:
  
  
I'd worry about what would happen as the load varies, specifically  
if
the load gets substantially less which could lead to the device
getting overloaded. I'd rather sent up something unregulated and
regulate it at the top.

Greg

On May 8, 2009, at 5:58 PM, Kevin Neal wrote:




  So..what about this...get an adjustable voltage power supply.
Install the
RG6 or whatever coax/wire would handle the load/distance.  Adjust  
the
voltage with a meter up top so that you have ~24-28v at your
equipment?

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Re: [WISPA] Fiber/Copper Combo Wire

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Isn't POE DC?

On May 9, 2009, at 5:37 PM, George Rogato wrote:

> Or a person could buy a set of up down transformers to increase the
> voltage going up the tower to avoid voltage drop.
>
> Of course, running 110 up to the top is probably easier.
>
> Jack Unger wrote:
>> You have the best solution - regulating at the top. Otherwise, as you
>> state, the voltage at the top will go up when the current load goes
>> down. The voltage at the top will go down when the current load  
>> goes up.
>> MUCH better to regulate at the top...
>>
>> os10ru...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> I'd worry about what would happen as the load varies, specifically  
>>> if
>>> the load gets substantially less which could lead to the device
>>> getting overloaded. I'd rather sent up something unregulated and
>>> regulate it at the top.
>>>
>>> Greg
>>>
>>> On May 8, 2009, at 5:58 PM, Kevin Neal wrote:
>>>
>>>
 So..what about this...get an adjustable voltage power supply.
 Install the
 RG6 or whatever coax/wire would handle the load/distance.  Adjust  
 the
 voltage with a meter up top so that you have ~24-28v at your
 equipment?

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Re: [WISPA] Fiber/Copper Combo Wire

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Or a person could buy a set of up down transformers to increase the 
voltage going up the tower to avoid voltage drop.

Of course, running 110 up to the top is probably easier.

Jack Unger wrote:
> You have the best solution - regulating at the top. Otherwise, as you 
> state, the voltage at the top will go up when the current load goes 
> down. The voltage at the top will go down when the current load goes up. 
> MUCH better to regulate at the top...
> 
> os10ru...@gmail.com wrote:
>> I'd worry about what would happen as the load varies, specifically if  
>> the load gets substantially less which could lead to the device  
>> getting overloaded. I'd rather sent up something unregulated and  
>> regulate it at the top.
>>
>> Greg
>>
>> On May 8, 2009, at 5:58 PM, Kevin Neal wrote:
>>
>>   
>>> So..what about this...get an adjustable voltage power supply.   
>>> Install the
>>> RG6 or whatever coax/wire would handle the load/distance.  Adjust the
>>> voltage with a meter up top so that you have ~24-28v at your  
>>> equipment?
>>>
>>> -Kevin
>>>
>>>
>>> 
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Re: [WISPA] Fiber/Copper Combo Wire

[Jack Unger]

You have the best solution - regulating at the top. Otherwise, as you 
state, the voltage at the top will go up when the current load goes 
down. The voltage at the top will go down when the current load goes up. 
MUCH better to regulate at the top...

os10ru...@gmail.com wrote:
> I'd worry about what would happen as the load varies, specifically if  
> the load gets substantially less which could lead to the device  
> getting overloaded. I'd rather sent up something unregulated and  
> regulate it at the top.
>
> Greg
>
> On May 8, 2009, at 5:58 PM, Kevin Neal wrote:
>
>   
>> So..what about this...get an adjustable voltage power supply.   
>> Install the
>> RG6 or whatever coax/wire would handle the load/distance.  Adjust the
>> voltage with a meter up top so that you have ~24-28v at your  
>> equipment?
>>
>> -Kevin
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Fiber/Copper Combo Wire

[Scott Reed]

Yep, unless it isn't 24V equipment.  :)

Kevin Neal wrote:
> So..what about this...get an adjustable voltage power supply.  Install the
> RG6 or whatever coax/wire would handle the load/distance.  Adjust the
> voltage with a meter up top so that you have ~24-28v at your equipment?
>
> -Kevin
>  
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber/Copper Combo Wire
>
> Ive used RG8 coax in the past to deliver 24V DC to about 600ft, but not at
> 1500ft. RG6 has significantly less loss over distance than 24AWG wire.
>
> Dave Hulsebus
>
> Scott Reed wrote:
>   
>> Belden makes this, but I don't have a number for it.
>>
>> I would be really cautious if they are running 1500' single run for 
>> POE.  Need to do the voltage loss calculation to be sure to use the 
>> correct power supply.
>>
>> Jeff Broadwick wrote:
>>   
>> 
>>>  
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> One of my customers is looking for these critters for a 1500 foot tower.
>>> Gig fiber for the data, copper for POE.
>>>
>>> Any ideas?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Jeff
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Re: [WISPA] Fiber/Copper Combo Wire

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I'd worry about what would happen as the load varies, specifically if  
the load gets substantially less which could lead to the device  
getting overloaded. I'd rather sent up something unregulated and  
regulate it at the top.

Greg

On May 8, 2009, at 5:58 PM, Kevin Neal wrote:

> So..what about this...get an adjustable voltage power supply.   
> Install the
> RG6 or whatever coax/wire would handle the load/distance.  Adjust the
> voltage with a meter up top so that you have ~24-28v at your  
> equipment?
>
> -Kevin
>
>
> -Original Message-
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> Behalf Of David Hulsebus
> Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 2:59 PM
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber/Copper Combo Wire
>
> Ive used RG8 coax in the past to deliver 24V DC to about 600ft, but  
> not at
> 1500ft. RG6 has significantly less loss over distance than 24AWG wire.
>
> Dave Hulsebus
>
> Scott Reed wrote:
>> Belden makes this, but I don't have a number for it.
>>
>> I would be really cautious if they are running 1500' single run for
>> POE.  Need to do the voltage loss calculation to be sure to use the
>> correct power supply.
>>
>> Jeff Broadwick wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> One of my customers is looking for these critters for a 1500 foot  
>>> tower.
>>> Gig fiber for the data, copper for POE.
>>>
>>> Any ideas?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Jeff
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Re: [WISPA] Fiber/Copper Combo Wire

[Kevin Neal]

So..what about this...get an adjustable voltage power supply.  Install the
RG6 or whatever coax/wire would handle the load/distance.  Adjust the
voltage with a meter up top so that you have ~24-28v at your equipment?

-Kevin
 

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Behalf Of David Hulsebus
Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 2:59 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber/Copper Combo Wire

Ive used RG8 coax in the past to deliver 24V DC to about 600ft, but not at
1500ft. RG6 has significantly less loss over distance than 24AWG wire.

Dave Hulsebus

Scott Reed wrote:
> Belden makes this, but I don't have a number for it.
>
> I would be really cautious if they are running 1500' single run for 
> POE.  Need to do the voltage loss calculation to be sure to use the 
> correct power supply.
>
> Jeff Broadwick wrote:
>   
>>  
>> Hi All,
>>
>> One of my customers is looking for these critters for a 1500 foot tower.
>> Gig fiber for the data, copper for POE.
>>
>> Any ideas?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Jeff
>> ImageStream
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Re: [WISPA] Fiber/Copper Combo Wire

[David Hulsebus]

Ive used RG8 coax in the past to deliver 24V DC to about 600ft, but not 
at 1500ft. RG6 has significantly less loss over distance than 24AWG wire.

Dave Hulsebus

Scott Reed wrote:
> Belden makes this, but I don't have a number for it.
>
> I would be really cautious if they are running 1500' single run for 
> POE.  Need to do the voltage loss calculation to be sure to use the 
> correct power supply.
>
> Jeff Broadwick wrote:
>   
>>  
>> Hi All,
>>
>> One of my customers is looking for these critters for a 1500 foot tower.
>> Gig fiber for the data, copper for POE.
>>
>> Any ideas?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Jeff
>> ImageStream
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Re: [WISPA] Fiber/Copper Combo Wire

[Scott Reed]

Belden makes this, but I don't have a number for it.

I would be really cautious if they are running 1500' single run for 
POE.  Need to do the voltage loss calculation to be sure to use the 
correct power supply.

Jeff Broadwick wrote:
>  
> Hi All,
>
> One of my customers is looking for these critters for a 1500 foot tower.
> Gig fiber for the data, copper for POE.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Regards,
>
> Jeff
> ImageStream
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Re: [WISPA] Fiber Products

[Mike Hammett]

I've been working with MTP, LLC.  They have an office in Jer's building, 
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> Does anyone have a good online source for OSP fiber products such as trunk 
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Re: [WISPA] Fiber Products

[Don Renner]

Not online, but SCS, Ltd. out of St. Louis, MO have been very helpful. They
enjoy talking to the customer.

Don Renner
NetsurfUSA, Inc.

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Hello,

Does anyone have a good online source for OSP fiber products such as trunk
cables, pedestals, dmarcs, etc...?

Thanks,
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Re: [WISPA] Fiber/Coax Deployment, Common Carrier?

[Tom DeReggi]

Good question

Might be a good reason to seperate the Cable versus Wireless portions of 
activities into two seperate company entities.

Even on a Grant app, there could be benefits to calling it a joint 
application, and seperating the cable versus wireless entities.

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Subject: [WISPA] Fiber/Coax Deployment, Common Carrier?


> If you deploy a fiber only network, or a coaxial only network (100% IP)
> are you forced into being a common carrier? The way way I read it, no
> you do not. The way a partner reads it, Yes, you do/can be. I know many
> people here have talked about doing/have done fiber/coax deployments.
> Where did you land and was there anything special that made it happen??
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Re: [WISPA] Fiber/Coax Deployment, Common Carrier?

[Mike Hammett]

All that I know if that's required depends on state\local regulations as to 
if you're required to be a CLEC or franchise or not.


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> If you deploy a fiber only network, or a coaxial only network (100% IP)
> are you forced into being a common carrier? The way way I read it, no
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Re: [WISPA] fiber termination

[Tom DeReggi]

We have found $60 per strand per side termination to be market rate.

However, we use Corning's no polish system, and it takes 15 minutes per 
strand end, if you aren't real good at it, and the connector is $15.
The cost to termianting fiber, is when you mess up.SCrew up a connector, 
and you just threw away $15. Fail a quality test (packet loss on fiber) and 
you just added hours to the job, tracking down which bad termination end 
needs replaced.

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- Original Message - 
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Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 5:27 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] fiber termination


> Never heard of 5 strand but ok
>
> 10 ends maybe 20 each
> 1 tech an hour each end
>
> Maybe 350 + or minus 50
>
> That's without termination boxes - media converters etc
>
> Scott Carullo
> Brevard Wireless
> (321) 205-1100 x102
>
> On Apr 22, 2009, at 4:16 PM, chris cooper 
> wrote:
>
>> Does anybody have an idea how much I should expect to pay per
>> termination to terminate 5 strands of multimode fiber?  The fiber is
>> already pulled into the racks, someone would just need to terminate
>> the
>> ends.
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Re: [WISPA] fiber termination

[George Rogato]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tnh0V81pLk&NR=1

Takes the voodoo black magic away from fiber termination.
So easy a caveman can do it.

George

George Rogato wrote:
> We just terminated some fiber we put in. Used hot melt and hand polished 
> the the fiber.
> It took no more than an hour to do 6 strands on each end. Maube 1 1/2 hour.
> Not sure which connectors you are using, but those can be expensive as 
> well. I think we must have paid about 15.00 per connctor.
> 
> George
> 
> 
> Scott Carullo wrote:
>> Never heard of 5 strand but ok
>>
>> 10 ends maybe 20 each
>> 1 tech an hour each end
>>
>> Maybe 350 + or minus 50
>>
>> That's without termination boxes - media converters etc
>>
>> Scott Carullo
>> Brevard Wireless
>> (321) 205-1100 x102
>>
>> On Apr 22, 2009, at 4:16 PM, chris cooper   
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Does anybody have an idea how much I should expect to pay per
>>> termination to terminate 5 strands of multimode fiber?  The fiber is
>>> already pulled into the racks, someone would just need to terminate  
>>> the
>>> ends.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Chris Cooper
>>>
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] fiber termination

[George Rogato]

We just terminated some fiber we put in. Used hot melt and hand polished 
the the fiber.
It took no more than an hour to do 6 strands on each end. Maube 1 1/2 hour.
Not sure which connectors you are using, but those can be expensive as 
well. I think we must have paid about 15.00 per connctor.

George


Scott Carullo wrote:
> Never heard of 5 strand but ok
> 
> 10 ends maybe 20 each
> 1 tech an hour each end
> 
> Maybe 350 + or minus 50
> 
> That's without termination boxes - media converters etc
> 
> Scott Carullo
> Brevard Wireless
> (321) 205-1100 x102
> 
> On Apr 22, 2009, at 4:16 PM, chris cooper   
> wrote:
> 
>> Does anybody have an idea how much I should expect to pay per
>> termination to terminate 5 strands of multimode fiber?  The fiber is
>> already pulled into the racks, someone would just need to terminate  
>> the
>> ends.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Chris Cooper
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] fiber termination

[Scott Carullo]

Never heard of 5 strand but ok

10 ends maybe 20 each
1 tech an hour each end

Maybe 350 + or minus 50

That's without termination boxes - media converters etc

Scott Carullo
Brevard Wireless
(321) 205-1100 x102

On Apr 22, 2009, at 4:16 PM, chris cooper   
wrote:

> Does anybody have an idea how much I should expect to pay per
> termination to terminate 5 strands of multimode fiber?  The fiber is
> already pulled into the racks, someone would just need to terminate  
> the
> ends.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Chris Cooper
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Re: [WISPA] Fiber\tower huts

[Mike Hammett]

Here, but I didn't need 1, much less 40 - 50.


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From: "Blake Bowers" 
Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 11:02 AM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber\tower huts

> Where were you in 2004 when I had 200 of them for
> sale  Grin..
>
>
> Don't take your organs to heaven,
> heaven knows we need them down here!
> Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Mike Hammett" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 10:54 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber\tower huts
>
>
>> oh certainly.  I'm actually working on a project with Jay now. Good guy.
>>
>> Looking for a quote on like 40 of these.  :-)
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> From: "Blake Bowers" 
>> Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 9:25 AM
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber\tower huts
>>
>>> http://www.telepp.com/
>>>
>>> Dana.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.telecomsurplus.net/index.htm
>>>
>>> Dave.
>>>
>>> Tell them we told you to call.  They offer some wonderful
>>> used units.
>>>
>>> Metal ones, with heat pump, used, from the old MCI
>>> system are probably available from Jay at mid america towers
>>> in northern IL.http://www.midamericatowers.com/  Jay is
>>> most certainly one of the "good ones" to deal with.
>>>
>>>
>>> Don't take your organs to heaven,
>>> heaven knows we need them down here!
>>> Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.
>>>
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: "Mike Hammett" 
>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 8:00 AM
>>> Subject: [WISPA] Fiber\tower huts
>>>
>>>
>>>> Where does one get those sheds you see at cell phone towers and for
>>>> fiber
>>>> equipment?
>>>>
>>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Fiber\tower huts

[Blake Bowers]

Where were you in 2004 when I had 200 of them for
sale  Grin..


Don't take your organs to heaven,
heaven knows we need them down here!
Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.

- Original Message - 
From: "Mike Hammett" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 10:54 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber\tower huts


> oh certainly.  I'm actually working on a project with Jay now. Good guy.
>
> Looking for a quote on like 40 of these.  :-)
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
>
> --
> From: "Blake Bowers" 
> Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 9:25 AM
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber\tower huts
>
>> http://www.telepp.com/
>>
>> Dana.
>>
>>
>> http://www.telecomsurplus.net/index.htm
>>
>> Dave.
>>
>> Tell them we told you to call.  They offer some wonderful
>> used units.
>>
>> Metal ones, with heat pump, used, from the old MCI
>> system are probably available from Jay at mid america towers
>> in northern IL.http://www.midamericatowers.com/  Jay is
>> most certainly one of the "good ones" to deal with.
>>
>>
>> Don't take your organs to heaven,
>> heaven knows we need them down here!
>> Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Mike Hammett" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 8:00 AM
>> Subject: [WISPA] Fiber\tower huts
>>
>>
>>> Where does one get those sheds you see at cell phone towers and for 
>>> fiber
>>> equipment?
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
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Re: [WISPA] Fiber\tower huts

[Mike Hammett]

oh certainly.  I'm actually working on a project with Jay now. Good guy.

Looking for a quote on like 40 of these.  :-)


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From: "Blake Bowers" 
Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 9:25 AM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber\tower huts

> http://www.telepp.com/
>
> Dana.
>
>
> http://www.telecomsurplus.net/index.htm
>
> Dave.
>
> Tell them we told you to call.  They offer some wonderful
> used units.
>
> Metal ones, with heat pump, used, from the old MCI
> system are probably available from Jay at mid america towers
> in northern IL.http://www.midamericatowers.com/  Jay is
> most certainly one of the "good ones" to deal with.
>
>
> Don't take your organs to heaven,
> heaven knows we need them down here!
> Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Mike Hammett" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 8:00 AM
> Subject: [WISPA] Fiber\tower huts
>
>
>> Where does one get those sheds you see at cell phone towers and for fiber
>> equipment?
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Fiber\tower huts

[Blake Bowers]

http://www.telepp.com/

Dana.


http://www.telecomsurplus.net/index.htm

Dave.

Tell them we told you to call.  They offer some wonderful
used units.

Metal ones, with heat pump, used, from the old MCI
system are probably available from Jay at mid america towers
in northern IL.http://www.midamericatowers.com/  Jay is
most certainly one of the "good ones" to deal with.


Don't take your organs to heaven,
heaven knows we need them down here!
Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.

- Original Message - 
From: "Mike Hammett" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 8:00 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Fiber\tower huts


> Where does one get those sheds you see at cell phone towers and for fiber 
> equipment?
>
>
> -
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> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
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Re: [WISPA] Fiber\tower huts

[Patrick Shoemaker]

Equipment shelters? Try:

http://www.vfpinc.com/

http://www.shelter1.com/communication.html

http://www.thermobond.com/

http://www.precisionquincy.com


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office: (301) 358-1690 x36
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Mike Hammett wrote:
> Where does one get those sheds you see at cell phone towers and for fiber 
> equipment?
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
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Re: [WISPA] Fiber to Gige Converter ?

[Adam Greene]

I've always had good experience with this company:

www.transition.com


- Original Message - 
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Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 5:26 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber to Gige Converter ?


>I know thwy are lots of alternative, I wanted a recommendation for
> something reliable
>
> thanks
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>
> Gino A. Villarini
> g...@aeronetpr.com
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145
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> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Brad Belton
> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 6:05 PM
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber to Gige Converter ?
>
> Oh, well that's easy.  Any number of products are available that will do
> what you need.  Just search fiber media converter.
>
> We've had several TrendNet fiber media converters in service for years.
> Some have been on rooftops in NEMA enclosures and have endured years of
> heat and cold cycles without issue.  Considering the price of TrendNet
> products they have far exceeded my expectations.
>
> http://www.trendnet.com/products/products.asp?cat=22
>
> Best,
>
> Brad
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Gino Villarini
> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 3:35 PM
> To: WISPA General List; lakel...@gbcx.net
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber to Gige Converter ?
>
> Multimode to GigE Copper
>
>
> Gino A. Villarini
> g...@aeronetpr.com
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Brad Belton
> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 5:11 PM
> To: lakel...@gbcx.net; 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber to Gige Converter ?
>
> Actually I was just about to step away from the WISPA Help Desk for a
> bit.
> Bob, feel free to take this call...  
>
> Best,
>
>
> Brad
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of lakel...@gbcx.net
> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 2:55 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber to Gige Converter ?
>
> Disregard my last transmission. Brad has this covered
>
> -B-
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -Original Message-
> From: "Brad Belton" 
>
> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 14:26:44
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber to Gige Converter ?
>
>
> Need more information.  What kind of fiber?  SM MM?  What kind of GigE
> interface?  Copper or fiber.  If fiber is it SM or MM?
>
> Brad
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Gino Villarini
> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 2:19 PM
> To: Motorola Canopy User Group; WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] Fiber to Gige Converter ?
>
> Any recomendattions on a reliable unit?
>
>
> Gino A. Villarini
> g...@aeronetpr.com
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145
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Re: [WISPA] Fiber to Gige Converter ?

[Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs]

we have some stuff on our website.  take a look Gino.. 

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Re: [WISPA] Fiber to Gige Converter ?

[lakeland]

www.planet.com
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-Original Message-
From: "Gino Villarini" 

Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 18:26:54 
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber to Gige Converter ?


I know thwy are lots of alternative, I wanted a recommendation for
something reliable

thanks 


Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Brad Belton
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 6:05 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber to Gige Converter ?

Oh, well that's easy.  Any number of products are available that will do
what you need.  Just search fiber media converter.

We've had several TrendNet fiber media converters in service for years.
Some have been on rooftops in NEMA enclosures and have endured years of
heat and cold cycles without issue.  Considering the price of TrendNet
products they have far exceeded my expectations.  

http://www.trendnet.com/products/products.asp?cat=22

Best,

Brad


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 3:35 PM
To: WISPA General List; lakel...@gbcx.net
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber to Gige Converter ?

Multimode to GigE Copper 


Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Brad Belton
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 5:11 PM
To: lakel...@gbcx.net; 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber to Gige Converter ?

Actually I was just about to step away from the WISPA Help Desk for a
bit.
Bob, feel free to take this call...  

Best,


Brad


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of lakel...@gbcx.net
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 2:55 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber to Gige Converter ?

Disregard my last transmission. Brad has this covered

-B-
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-Original Message-
From: "Brad Belton" 

Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 14:26:44
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber to Gige Converter ?


Need more information.  What kind of fiber?  SM MM?  What kind of GigE
interface?  Copper or fiber.  If fiber is it SM or MM?

Brad


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 2:19 PM
To: Motorola Canopy User Group; WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Fiber to Gige Converter ?

Any recomendattions on a reliable unit?
 

Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145 

 





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Re: [WISPA] Fiber to Gige Converter ?

[lakeland]

We use the ones made by Plant or Planet?  Something like that and have never 
had a problem
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-Original Message-
From: "Gino Villarini" 

Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 18:26:54 
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber to Gige Converter ?


I know thwy are lots of alternative, I wanted a recommendation for
something reliable

thanks 


Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Brad Belton
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 6:05 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber to Gige Converter ?

Oh, well that's easy.  Any number of products are available that will do
what you need.  Just search fiber media converter.

We've had several TrendNet fiber media converters in service for years.
Some have been on rooftops in NEMA enclosures and have endured years of
heat and cold cycles without issue.  Considering the price of TrendNet
products they have far exceeded my expectations.  

http://www.trendnet.com/products/products.asp?cat=22

Best,

Brad


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 3:35 PM
To: WISPA General List; lakel...@gbcx.net
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber to Gige Converter ?

Multimode to GigE Copper 


Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Brad Belton
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 5:11 PM
To: lakel...@gbcx.net; 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber to Gige Converter ?

Actually I was just about to step away from the WISPA Help Desk for a
bit.
Bob, feel free to take this call...  

Best,


Brad


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of lakel...@gbcx.net
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 2:55 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber to Gige Converter ?

Disregard my last transmission. Brad has this covered

-B-
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-Original Message-
From: "Brad Belton" 

Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 14:26:44
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber to Gige Converter ?


Need more information.  What kind of fiber?  SM MM?  What kind of GigE
interface?  Copper or fiber.  If fiber is it SM or MM?

Brad


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 2:19 PM
To: Motorola Canopy User Group; WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Fiber to Gige Converter ?

Any recomendattions on a reliable unit?
 

Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145 

 





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Re: [WISPA] Fiber to Gige Converter ?

[Gino Villarini]

I know thwy are lots of alternative, I wanted a recommendation for
something reliable

thanks 


Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Brad Belton
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 6:05 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber to Gige Converter ?

Oh, well that's easy.  Any number of products are available that will do
what you need.  Just search fiber media converter.

We've had several TrendNet fiber media converters in service for years.
Some have been on rooftops in NEMA enclosures and have endured years of
heat and cold cycles without issue.  Considering the price of TrendNet
products they have far exceeded my expectations.  

http://www.trendnet.com/products/products.asp?cat=22

Best,

Brad


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 3:35 PM
To: WISPA General List; lakel...@gbcx.net
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber to Gige Converter ?

Multimode to GigE Copper 


Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Brad Belton
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 5:11 PM
To: lakel...@gbcx.net; 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber to Gige Converter ?

Actually I was just about to step away from the WISPA Help Desk for a
bit.
Bob, feel free to take this call...  

Best,


Brad


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of lakel...@gbcx.net
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 2:55 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber to Gige Converter ?

Disregard my last transmission. Brad has this covered

-B-
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-Original Message-
From: "Brad Belton" 

Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 14:26:44
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber to Gige Converter ?


Need more information.  What kind of fiber?  SM MM?  What kind of GigE
interface?  Copper or fiber.  If fiber is it SM or MM?

Brad


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 2:19 PM
To: Motorola Canopy User Group; WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Fiber to Gige Converter ?

Any recomendattions on a reliable unit?
 

Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145 

 





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Re: [WISPA] Fiber to Gige Converter ?

[Brad Belton]

Oh, well that's easy.  Any number of products are available that will do
what you need.  Just search fiber media converter.

We've had several TrendNet fiber media converters in service for years.
Some have been on rooftops in NEMA enclosures and have endured years of heat
and cold cycles without issue.  Considering the price of TrendNet products
they have far exceeded my expectations.  

http://www.trendnet.com/products/products.asp?cat=22

Best,

Brad


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 3:35 PM
To: WISPA General List; lakel...@gbcx.net
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber to Gige Converter ?

Multimode to GigE Copper 


Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Brad Belton
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 5:11 PM
To: lakel...@gbcx.net; 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber to Gige Converter ?

Actually I was just about to step away from the WISPA Help Desk for a
bit.
Bob, feel free to take this call...  

Best,


Brad


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of lakel...@gbcx.net
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 2:55 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber to Gige Converter ?

Disregard my last transmission. Brad has this covered

-B-
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-Original Message-
From: "Brad Belton" 

Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 14:26:44
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber to Gige Converter ?


Need more information.  What kind of fiber?  SM MM?  What kind of GigE
interface?  Copper or fiber.  If fiber is it SM or MM?

Brad


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 2:19 PM
To: Motorola Canopy User Group; WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Fiber to Gige Converter ?

Any recomendattions on a reliable unit?
 

Gino A. Villarini 
g...@aeronetpr.com 
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145 

 





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Re: [WISPA] Fiber to Gige Converter ?

[Gino Villarini]

Multimode to GigE Copper 


Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Brad Belton
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 5:11 PM
To: lakel...@gbcx.net; 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber to Gige Converter ?

Actually I was just about to step away from the WISPA Help Desk for a
bit.
Bob, feel free to take this call...  

Best,


Brad


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of lakel...@gbcx.net
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 2:55 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber to Gige Converter ?

Disregard my last transmission. Brad has this covered

-B-
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-Original Message-
From: "Brad Belton" 

Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 14:26:44
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber to Gige Converter ?


Need more information.  What kind of fiber?  SM MM?  What kind of GigE
interface?  Copper or fiber.  If fiber is it SM or MM?

Brad


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Any recomendattions on a reliable unit?
 

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Re: [WISPA] Fiber to Gige Converter ?

[Gino Villarini]

Gige is copper, dunno about the fiber.  Let me check .. .but is there a
particular brand I should go with? 


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Gige is fiber or copper?  Fiber in is singlemode or multimode?
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Re: [WISPA] Fiber to Gige Converter ?

[Brad Belton]

Actually I was just about to step away from the WISPA Help Desk for a bit.
Bob, feel free to take this call...  

Best,


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Disregard my last transmission. Brad has this covered

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Need more information.  What kind of fiber?  SM MM?  What kind of GigE
interface?  Copper or fiber.  If fiber is it SM or MM?

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Re: [WISPA] Fiber to Gige Converter ?

[lakeland]

Disregard my last transmission. Brad has this covered

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Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 14:26:44 
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Need more information.  What kind of fiber?  SM MM?  What kind of GigE
interface?  Copper or fiber.  If fiber is it SM or MM?

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Re: [WISPA] Fiber to Gige Converter ?

[lakeland]

Gige is fiber or copper?  Fiber in is singlemode or multimode?
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Re: [WISPA] Fiber to Gige Converter ?

[Brad Belton]

Need more information.  What kind of fiber?  SM MM?  What kind of GigE
interface?  Copper or fiber.  If fiber is it SM or MM?

Brad


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Re: [WISPA] Fiber Costs

[Charles Wyble]

Tom DeReggi wrote:
> Is it costing you that considering all costs (last mile, transport, NOC)?
> Or just your last mile cost?
>   

Good question. It's not just CapEX that has to be considered but OpEx as 
well.
> I know an MTU building can be connected /spliced into street fiber for as 
> little as $700 in parts/labor, including only the time start to finish 
> installing it.  (not all the beurocracy and planning time)
>   

Which can be quite expensive even in small towns as we have seen from 
recent threads on this list.
> There are numerous respected people in this industry that have pitched an 
> average Fiber deployment to cost  around $20/mon per sub over 20 years. 
> That could mean alot of different things.
>   

Indeed it can. Plus once the fiber is deployed there is a whole host of 
OpEx costs that vary greatly
based on what is being delivered.
> I'd be interested in hearing more about what you deliver for $1000/ sub?
>   

As would I. Please share.
> Tom DeReggi
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> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
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Re: [WISPA] Fiber Costs

[Tom DeReggi]

Is it costing you that considering all costs (last mile, transport, NOC)?
Or just your last mile cost?

I know an MTU building can be connected /spliced into street fiber for as 
little as $700 in parts/labor, including only the time start to finish 
installing it.  (not all the beurocracy and planning time)

There are numerous respected people in this industry that have pitched an 
average Fiber deployment to cost  around $20/mon per sub over 20 years. 
That could mean alot of different things.

I'd be interested in hearing more about what you deliver for $1000/ sub?

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If that is what it cost me, I would never be able to afford it.
Good thing it only costs me about $1K per sub.
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Interesting arcticle.

What so many forget is that Fiber does not just cost $4000 per sub to
Verizon, it costs $17 /month per subscriber. There is a big difference. Long
term beneift is undisputed.
The problem a small provider has to ask is... How do they fund it.

Its also important to note though that the $4000/sub accounts for all costs
for full Fiber end to end.

It can cost much less for a partial hybrid fiber deployment that is cherry
picked.

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Subject: [WISPA] Fiber Costs


Hmmm...

http://www.go-nowires.com/wireless-blog/fios-too-risky/

 From the article:
When it was announced, Verizon’s $23 billion planned investment in the
service, called FiOS, was met by a chorus of skeptics, both on Wall
Street and among rivals. Verizon rejected cheaper broadband alternatives
and decided to build the fiber system at an estimated cost of about
$4,000 for every customer.


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Re: [WISPA] Fiber Costs

[Chuck McCown]

If that is what it cost me, I would never be able to afford it.
Good thing it only costs me about $1K per sub.
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Interesting arcticle.

What so many forget is that Fiber does not just cost $4000 per sub to
Verizon, it costs $17 /month per subscriber. There is a big difference. Long
term beneift is undisputed.
The problem a small provider has to ask is... How do they fund it.

Its also important to note though that the $4000/sub accounts for all costs
for full Fiber end to end.

It can cost much less for a partial hybrid fiber deployment that is cherry
picked.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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Subject: [WISPA] Fiber Costs


Hmmm...

http://www.go-nowires.com/wireless-blog/fios-too-risky/

 From the article:
When it was announced, Verizon’s $23 billion planned investment in the
service, called FiOS, was met by a chorus of skeptics, both on Wall
Street and among rivals. Verizon rejected cheaper broadband alternatives
and decided to build the fiber system at an estimated cost of about
$4,000 for every customer.


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Re: [WISPA] Fiber Costs

[Tom DeReggi]

Interesting arcticle.

What so many forget is that Fiber does not just cost $4000 per sub to 
Verizon, it costs $17 /month per subscriber. There is a big difference. Long 
term beneift is undisputed.
The problem a small provider has to ask is... How do they fund it.

Its also important to note though that the $4000/sub accounts for all costs 
for full Fiber end to end.

It can cost much less for a partial hybrid fiber deployment that is cherry 
picked.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 2:55 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Fiber Costs


Hmmm...

http://www.go-nowires.com/wireless-blog/fios-too-risky/

 From the article:
When it was announced, Verizon’s $23 billion planned investment in the
service, called FiOS, was met by a chorus of skeptics, both on Wall
Street and among rivals. Verizon rejected cheaper broadband alternatives
and decided to build the fiber system at an estimated cost of about
$4,000 for every customer.


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Re: [WISPA] Fiber Maps across the US?

[Mike Hammett]

If you find that, let me know.  That sounds like a great tool.

I have a few static maps, though.


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>
> Someone awhile ago had an awesome link to dark fiber that was for lease 
> across
> the US.
>
> It was a great tool and showed you who owned the fiber, what they wanted 
> for the
> lease, and etc.
>
> The tool worked kinda like google maps and you could manipulate the map.
>
> Anyone know of where I might find this?
>
> Thanks,
> Tom W.
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Re: [WISPA] Fiber

[Matt Liotta]

George Rogato wrote:

Thanks Matt

I'm wondering what equipment is used at the customer end.
I'm not sure what manufacturer is the one to build out on. Is it Cisco?


We use Telco Systems's Tmarc Ethernet demarc device.

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Re: [WISPA] Fiber

[George Rogato]

Thanks Matt

I'm wondering what equipment is used at the customer end.
I'm not sure what manufacturer is the one to build out on. Is it Cisco?

George

Matt Liotta wrote:

George Rogato wrote:

Matt do you have any product numbers for the equipment your using?


Which types of equipment are you interested in?

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Re: [WISPA] Fiber

[Matt Liotta]

George Rogato wrote:

Matt do you have any product numbers for the equipment your using?


Which types of equipment are you interested in?

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Re: [WISPA] Fiber

[George Rogato]

Matt do you have any product numbers for the equipment your using?

George

Matt Liotta wrote:

Travis Johnson wrote:

Matt,

We have not considered that, but it comes down to cost as well. We 
charge a $500 setup fee to get the fiber installed at the customer 
prem. It costs us about $1,000 to actually get the fiber installed 
including the Cisco switch with GBIC's. I understand the idea of CWDM 
and ADMs, but at the same time I see a downside. If one of the GBIC 
modules fails at the customer prem, they are down. With our current 
configuration, they would still be up and running. It would also add 
one more point of failure at each customer.


Doing the ADM approach would cost about the same. You are correct that 
without the Cisco you can't provide protection. However, you do get 
greater protection for your overall network with the ADM approach. This 
is because 2 failed Ciscos take out all nodes between the two failed 
Ciscos. In the case of the ADMs, only the active Ethernet part of the 
device can fail, which means the individual node goes down, but not the 
ring.


We adopted the KISS (keep it simple stupid) principle when we started 
doing the fiber. We run STP on the main switch at our NOC, so really 
traffic only goes out one GBIC at our NOC unless there is a problem. 
At that point, we get email notification and using our SNMP system, we 
can tell exactly where the problem is and get it fixed quickly. Right 
now we are only moving about 50Mbps of traffic, so even only having 
1Gbps of capacity should work for many, many years to come.


That is a smart way to go. Trying to get more sophisticated with fiber 
can get expensive fast. We are selling a good number of GigE circuits on 
our fiber ring, so we have capacity issues that precluded us from using 
the approach you are taking.


We use a hybrid CWDM/DWDM approach. This means that initially we use 
CWDM for nodes until we have 4 channels in use. We make sure only to use 
the bottom and top 2 channels of CWDM. This then allows us to run DWDM 
later in the space of the middle 4 channels of CWDM. This is all done by 
popping in different cards with either passive CWDM filters or active 
DWDM electronics.


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Re: [WISPA] Fiber

[John J. Thomas]

If the drop is 550', you can use Multi mode and the termination is considerably 
cheaper.

As for individual strands, there is probably a balance where it makes sense to 
not necessarily drop 128 strands, but do something more than 6 strands. 


John


>-Original Message-
>From: George Rogato [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 04:04 PM
>To: 'WISPA General List'
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fiber
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>Thanks for offering to help,
>
>
>Here's what I have.
>My noc is across a creek from a water tank that I have a dozen ap's on. 
>So I have to do aerial to get there. I want to use an aerial cable that 
>has a lot of fibers in it. So I can put each radio on it's own fiber and 
>not have a switch at the tank.
>I also want to extend the rest of the unused fibers out to do a fiber to 
>the premises roll out.
>
>What I'm not sure is what type or size of fiber to pull, considering I 
>want to break it out and go down the street.
>I'm assuming single mode and I'm thinking this drop is short, 550', I 
>can use like 128 strands.
>
>I am assuming going up the street to the homes, It would be a PON network.
>
>So I'm not sure of the fiber, or the network equipment behind it.
>
>George
>
>
>Scott Reed wrote:
>> I may not get you all the answers, but here are some questions you need 
>> to answer to get answers:
>> How far do you want to go?
>> What kind of data and data rates are you looking for?
>> What equipment is at the ends?
>> Hanging from poles, buried, etc.?
>> 
>> 
>> George Rogato wrote:
>>> Anyone do fiber?
>>> I'm wondering where I should be looking for good pricing on some 
>>> aerial fiber.
>>> I don't know very much about fiber at all, so I also need some advice 
>>> on what fiber I should be using as well as what connectors.
>>>
>>> Anyone have any experience?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>> 
>
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Re: [WISPA] Fiber

[Matt Liotta]

Travis Johnson wrote:

Matt,

We have not considered that, but it comes down to cost as well. We 
charge a $500 setup fee to get the fiber installed at the customer prem. 
It costs us about $1,000 to actually get the fiber installed including 
the Cisco switch with GBIC's. I understand the idea of CWDM and ADMs, 
but at the same time I see a downside. If one of the GBIC modules fails 
at the customer prem, they are down. With our current configuration, 
they would still be up and running. It would also add one more point of 
failure at each customer.


Doing the ADM approach would cost about the same. You are correct that 
without the Cisco you can't provide protection. However, you do get 
greater protection for your overall network with the ADM approach. This 
is because 2 failed Ciscos take out all nodes between the two failed 
Ciscos. In the case of the ADMs, only the active Ethernet part of the 
device can fail, which means the individual node goes down, but not the 
ring.


We adopted the KISS (keep it simple stupid) principle when we started 
doing the fiber. We run STP on the main switch at our NOC, so really 
traffic only goes out one GBIC at our NOC unless there is a problem. At 
that point, we get email notification and using our SNMP system, we can 
tell exactly where the problem is and get it fixed quickly. Right now we 
are only moving about 50Mbps of traffic, so even only having 1Gbps of 
capacity should work for many, many years to come.


That is a smart way to go. Trying to get more sophisticated with fiber 
can get expensive fast. We are selling a good number of GigE circuits on 
our fiber ring, so we have capacity issues that precluded us from using 
the approach you are taking.


We use a hybrid CWDM/DWDM approach. This means that initially we use 
CWDM for nodes until we have 4 channels in use. We make sure only to use 
the bottom and top 2 channels of CWDM. This then allows us to run DWDM 
later in the space of the middle 4 channels of CWDM. This is all done by 
popping in different cards with either passive CWDM filters or active 
DWDM electronics.


-Matt



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