Re: [WISPA] VOIP on a shoestring

2006-01-06 Thread Blair Davis
After reading that, I think it is lawyer bait I would not want to be the test case!! =-O Blair Davis West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: Just go to http://www.stanaphone.com/ and click on their News Update link. Matt Larsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] John Scrivn

Re: [WISPA] VOIP on a shoestring

2006-01-06 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
Just go to http://www.stanaphone.com/ and click on their News Update link. Matt Larsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] John Scrivner wrote: This is what I get from this URL: Bad Gateway The proxy server received an invalid response from an upstream server. -

Re: [WISPA] VOIP on a shoestring

2006-01-06 Thread Matt Liotta
I don't feel comfortable discussing the details on a public list. -Matt Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: OK, here is the $1million dollar question...what have you done to make your VOIP service 911 compliant? Are you comfortable with your level of legal exposure? How much did it cost and what is t

Re: [WISPA] VOIP on a shoestring

2006-01-06 Thread John Scrivner
This is what I get from this URL: Bad Gateway The proxy server received an invalid response from an upstream server. Apache/2.0.54 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.0.54 OpenSSL/0.9.7i Server at www.stanaphone.com Port 443 Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: Further reading https://www.stanaphone.com/inde

Re: [WISPA] VOIP on a shoestring

2006-01-05 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
Further reading https://www.stanaphone.com/index/news_Nov2205.html There is one way around the 911 requirement. Matt Larsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: OK, here is the $1million dollar question...what have you done to make your VOIP service 911 compliant? Are you comfor

Re: [WISPA] VOIP on a shoestring

2006-01-05 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
OK, here is the $1million dollar question...what have you done to make your VOIP service 911 compliant? Are you comfortable with your level of legal exposure? How much did it cost and what is the best way to handle it? Inquiring minds Matt Larsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Matt Liotta wrote: M

Re: [WISPA] VOIP on a shoestring

2006-01-05 Thread Matt Liotta
Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: The requirement is there but has yet to be proven by law, or enforced. I intend to keep my voip ventures separate from my regular ISP business. If the 911 requirement for voip is proven by law, then I can either work to make it compliant according to the establishe

Re: [WISPA] VOIP on a shoestring

2006-01-05 Thread Tom DeReggi
& Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Mac Dearman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 4:13 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VOIP on a shoestring Part-15 is now doing the same thing

Re: [WISPA] VOIP on a shoestring

2006-01-05 Thread Tom DeReggi
AirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Charles Wu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 2:50 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] VOIP on a shoestring Tom, Your idea is sound, but personally, I wo

Re: [WISPA] VOIP on a shoestring

2006-01-05 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
Comments inline... You are right, this solution is not 911 compliant. Neither is service from Nufone, Teliax, Voipjet, Stanaphone or hundreds of other VOIP carriers out there. The question of the degree of 911 compliance is very much up in the air right now because the FCC's requirement

Re: [WISPA] VOIP on a shoestring

2006-01-05 Thread Matt Liotta
] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: 05 January 2006 21:55 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] VOIP on a shoestring Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: Perhaps we have a disconnect. I am advocating that the business continue to use ILEC or CLEC lines for their fax services. I'm not managin

RE: [WISPA] VOIP on a shoestring

2006-01-05 Thread Paul Hendry
: [WISPA] VOIP on a shoestring Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: > Perhaps we have a disconnect. I am advocating that the business > continue to use ILEC or CLEC lines for their fax services. > I'm not managing the backend for the fax lines for the customers that > I am talking about.

Re: [WISPA] VOIP on a shoestring

2006-01-05 Thread Matt Liotta
Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: Perhaps we have a disconnect. I am advocating that the business continue to use ILEC or CLEC lines for their fax services. I'm not managing the backend for the fax lines for the customers that I am talking about. A large business in my area, is 10 or more employees

Re: [WISPA] VOIP on a shoestring

2006-01-05 Thread Mac Dearman
-Charles --- WiNOG Austin, TX March 13-15, 2006 http://www.winog.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 1:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] VOIP on a

Re: [WISPA] VOIP on a shoestring

2006-01-05 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
Comments inline: Matt Liotta wrote: If you keep a single POTS line for faxing, how do you manage the backend? You are going to get the line billed separately from your VoIP provider and you won't be able to share long distance or international across the two. Most customers expect to have t

Re: [WISPA] VOIP on a shoestring

2006-01-05 Thread Jeffrey Thomas
?)... -Charles --- WiNOG Austin, TX March 13-15, 2006 http://www.winog.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 1:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] VOIP

Re: [WISPA] VOIP on a shoestring

2006-01-05 Thread Matt Liotta
Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: Faxing was very simple to deal with - keep one line from the ILEC for faxing. That also provides a good place to route 911 requests if they come from within the system. No need to spend the resources to figure out a problem that can be easily bypassed. If you k

RE: [WISPA] VOIP on a shoestring

2006-01-05 Thread Charles Wu
om DeReggi Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 1:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] VOIP on a shoestring Matt Larson, I do not have adequate experience to pass judgement on your suggested configuration. However I will add, base on my recent Rant regarding Wholesale VOIP providers that

Re: [WISPA] VOIP on a shoestring

2006-01-05 Thread Tom DeReggi
hose businesses may include a large amount of residential focus as well. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Matt Liotta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, Janua

Re: [WISPA] VOIP on a shoestring

2006-01-05 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
Faxing was very simple to deal with - keep one line from the ILEC for faxing. That also provides a good place to route 911 requests if they come from within the system. No need to spend the resources to figure out a problem that can be easily bypassed. If curious as to why you think the ma

Re: [WISPA] VOIP on a shoestring

2006-01-05 Thread Matt Liotta
I don't believe you will find good margins with the setup you are specifying. Additionally, you can forget about fax working, which is an absolute requirement for businesses. If anyone on this list wants to do VoIP over wireless, figure out how to do fax before committing to the business. From