Re: [WISPA] www.fon.com - a threat to us all? - back to net neutrality

2006-06-29 Thread Dylan Oliver
On 6/29/06, Rick Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The difference between FON and nimrod customers, is that FON isexploiting this for THEIR gain.   is flowing, at my expense, intoFON's pockets, due to a nimrod customer that installed their gear at the violation of my AUP.Again, plz read fon.com

Re: [WISPA] www.fon.com - a threat to us all? - back to net neutrality

2006-06-29 Thread Tom DeReggi
Subject: Re: [WISPA] www.fon.com - a threat to us all? - back to net neutrality On 6/28/06, Tom DeReggi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: If it was, then it would be illegal to block hackers and criminals from using your network as well. As FON clearly has no co

Re: [WISPA] www.fon.com - a threat to us all? - back to net neutrality

2006-06-29 Thread Sam Tetherow
Peter R. wrote: Rick Smith wrote: I still don't see why anyone should be able to use my network without paying me for the right to do so. PERIOD. I don't run a network for the benefit of the free world, I run it for the benefit of my checkbook. Which needs SERIOUS help. :) OK, and whil

RE: [WISPA] www.fon.com - a threat to us all? - back to net neutrality

2006-06-29 Thread Rick Smith
EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter R. Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 9:34 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] www.fon.com - a threat to us all? - back to net neutrality Rick Smith wrote: > I still don't see why anyone should be able to use my network without > paying me for

Re: [WISPA] www.fon.com - a threat to us all? - back to net neutrality

2006-06-29 Thread Peter R.
Rick Smith wrote: I still don't see why anyone should be able to use my network without paying me for the right to do so. PERIOD. I don't run a network for the benefit of the free world, I run it for the benefit of my checkbook. Which needs SERIOUS help. :) OK, and while we're at it, why

Re: [WISPA] www.fon.com - a threat to us all? - back to net neutrality

2006-06-28 Thread David E. Smith
Dylan Oliver wrote: > http://en.fon.com/biz/isps_friends.php. > > (i) have a FON Social Router or a router that is compatible with the FON > Software and (ii) have a contract with an ISP that permits the FONero to > share bandwidth. And how many of your customers actually read all the fine print

Re: [WISPA] www.fon.com - a threat to us all? - back to net neutrality

2006-06-28 Thread Dylan Oliver
On 6/28/06, Tom DeReggi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: If it was, then it would be illegal to block hackers and criminals from using your network as well. As FON clearly has no concern for Acceptable Use Policiies, therefore illegal activity, and AUPs are clearly allowable and enforcable cont

RE: [WISPA] www.fon.com - a threat to us all? - back to net neutrality

2006-06-28 Thread Dustin Jurman
Reggi Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 3:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] www.fon.com - a threat to us all? - back to net neutrality I understood Charles post regarding net neutrality, that you summarized also very clearly. My point is that Net Neutrality conflicts with other law

Re: [WISPA] www.fon.com - a threat to us all? - back to net neutrality

2006-06-28 Thread Mark Koskenmaki
alizing it when > getting voted on. > > Tom DeReggi > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > > - Original Message - > From: "Sam Tetherow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: We

Re: [WISPA] www.fon.com - a threat to us all? - back to net neutrality

2006-06-28 Thread Tom DeReggi
, with out rtealizing it when getting voted on. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Sam Tetherow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 2:13 PM Subject:

Re: [WISPA] www.fon.com - a threat to us all? - back to net neutrality

2006-06-28 Thread Sam Tetherow
I think what Charles is getting at is, is it legal for an ISP to place the 'no open AP' or 'no sharing your connection' restriction on your service? I have heard some people arguing the case that NN is "I'm paying for my bandwidth so I can do what I want to with it". Sam Tetherow Sandh

Re: [WISPA] www.fon.com - a threat to us all? - back to net neutrality

2006-06-28 Thread Tom DeReggi
Subject: RE: [WISPA] www.fon.com - a threat to us all? - back to net neutrality out of curiosity (would like input from the pro net neutral people) -- would blocking something like FON constitute a violation of net neutrality?

RE: [WISPA] www.fon.com - a threat to us all? - back to net neutrality

2006-06-28 Thread Jonathan Schmidt
#x27;WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] www.fon.com - a threat to us all? - back to net neutrality out of curiosity (would like input from the pro net neutral people) -- would blocking something like FON constitute a violation of net neutrality?   -Charles    

RE: [WISPA] www.fon.com - a threat to us all? - back to net neutrality

2006-06-28 Thread Butch Evans
On Wed, 28 Jun 2006, Rick Smith wrote: OK, and while we're at it, why is "net neutral" good ? I admit The terminology here is somewhat confusing. The term "net neutral" seems to be used to describe two unrelated ideologies (both of which are "bad", IMNSHO). One is the opposite view to wha

RE: [WISPA] www.fon.com - a threat to us all? - back to net neutrality

2006-06-28 Thread Butch Evans
On Wed, 28 Jun 2006, Charles Wu wrote: out of curiosity (would like input from the pro net neutral people) -- would blocking something like FON constitute a violation of net neutrality? I don't think you'll find many "pro net neutral people" on this list. I would have to say that most of th

RE: [WISPA] www.fon.com - a threat to us all? - back to net neutrality

2006-06-28 Thread Rick Smith
ist'Subject: RE: [WISPA] www.fon.com - a threat to us all? - back to net neutrality out of curiosity (would like input from the pro net neutral people) -- would blocking something like FON constitute a violation of net neutrality?   -Charles     ---CW

RE: [WISPA] www.fon.com - a threat to us all? - back to net neutrality

2006-06-28 Thread Charles Wu
Title: Message out of curiosity (would like input from the pro net neutral people) -- would blocking something like FON constitute a violation of net neutrality?   -Charles     ---CWLabTechnology Architectshttp://www.cwlab.com -Original Messa