Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further...

2020-08-07 Thread Norman Elton
uch a nasty thing to do to the > users. Gr. Not an easy fix. > > > > Ryan > > > > *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv < > WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> *On Behalf Of *Enfield, Chuck > *Sent:* Thursday, August 6, 2020 11:14 AM >

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further...

2020-08-06 Thread Turner, Ryan H
nasty thing to do to the users. Gr. Not an easy fix. Ryan From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv On Behalf Of Enfield, Chuck Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 11:14 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further...

Re: [External] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further...

2020-08-06 Thread Hunter Fuller
Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv < > WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> > *Date: *Thursday, August 6, 2020 at 15:26 > *To: *WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU < > WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> > *Subject: *Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further...

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further...

2020-08-06 Thread Philippe Hanset
. Not an easy fix. Ryan From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv On Behalf Of Enfield, Chuck Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 11:14 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further... I’ll also add that identity is what makes

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further...

2020-08-06 Thread Philippe Hanset
11:00 To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further... We could always take down a device by MAC address. It was weak, but it allowed us to say we did something. From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv On Behalf Of Tim Ca

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further...

2020-08-06 Thread Turner, Ryan H
, but that is such a nasty thing to do to the users. Gr. Not an easy fix. Ryan From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv On Behalf Of Enfield, Chuck Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 11:14 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further...

2020-08-06 Thread Enfield, Chuck
: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv On Behalf Of Julian Y Koh Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2020 10:59 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further... On Aug 6, 2020, at 09:51, Enfield, Chuck mailto:cae...@psu.edu>> wrote: H

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further...

2020-08-06 Thread Blake Brown
nfield, Chuck Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 8:06 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further... External Email There are identity requests, and take downs. Identity requests are frequent and come with little to know liability.

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further...

2020-08-06 Thread Enfield, Chuck
@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further... On Aug 6, 2020, at 09:51, Enfield, Chuck mailto:cae...@psu.edu>> wrote: How can we fulfill DMCA requirements when we can’t even identify a device, let alone the user? If you want to remain anonymous, use a dif

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further...

2020-08-06 Thread Julian Y Koh
On Aug 6, 2020, at 09:51, Enfield, Chuck mailto:cae...@psu.edu>> wrote: How can we fulfill DMCA requirements when we can’t even identify a device, let alone the user? If you want to remain anonymous, use a different network. IANAL, and I don’t even play one on TV, but my admittedly old

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further...

2020-07-31 Thread Tim Cappalli
@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further... Nope. MAC addr is still the same. This is day 2. I’ve been associated to the same AP. Hector Rios, Wireless Network Architect The University of Texas at Austin From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further...

2020-07-31 Thread Rios, Hector J
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further... It should change the next time it associates. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 30, 2020, at 1:02 PM, GT Hill mailto:g...@gthill.com>> wrote:  From what I understand it will keep the same MAC

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further...

2020-07-31 Thread David Logan
mmunity Group Listserv < >> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> *On Behalf Of *Enfield, Chuck >> *Sent:* Friday, July 10, 2020 4:14 PM >> *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU >> *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further... >> >> >&g

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further...

2020-07-31 Thread Jake Snyder
ctor Rios, Wireless Network Architect >> >> The University of Texas at Austin >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv >> On Behalf Of Enfield, Chuck >> Sent: Friday, July 10, 2020

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further...

2020-07-30 Thread GT Hill
Listserv < > WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> *On Behalf Of *Enfield, Chuck > *Sent:* Friday, July 10, 2020 4:14 PM > *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU > *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further... > > > > Ahh. I glossed right o

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further...

2020-07-30 Thread Rios, Hector J
Community Group Listserv On Behalf Of Enfield, Chuck Sent: Friday, July 10, 2020 4:14 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further... Ahh. I glossed right over the 24-hour part. That’s much less distressing, but I’m going to have a beer

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further...

2020-07-23 Thread Miller, Keith C
Listserv Date: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 at 6:23 PM To: "WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU" Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further... I’m working on testing this now. So far it appears that the "Private Address" option is enabled by default for any

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further...

2020-07-21 Thread Tim Cappalli
Group Listserv Date: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 at 18:16 To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further... This is all fascinating, I’m looking forward to getting my hands on a public beta. Those “in the know” ... does this impact 1x networks

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further...

2020-07-21 Thread Norman Elton
SE.EDU> *On Behalf Of *Tim Cappalli > *Sent:* Tuesday, July 21, 2020 1:06 PM > *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU > *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further... > > > >  Yeah, good catch Chris! I’d be interested in seeing some field data as > w

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further...

2020-07-21 Thread Rios, Hector J
: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 1:06 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further...  Yeah, good catch Chris! I’d be interested in seeing some field data as well. The only info I saw was that it changed every 24 hours, but it sounds like

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further...

2020-07-21 Thread Tim Cappalli
connection as there are really no privacy concerns until the device disconnects and moves. tim From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv Date: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 at 13:15 To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further...

2020-07-21 Thread Rios, Hector J
gt;> On Behalf Of Rios, Hector J Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 1:12 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further... Please note that MAC randomization is not just a feature of Android and iO

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further...

2020-07-20 Thread Tim Cappalli
no other vested interest in the topic. Tim From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv on behalf of James Andrewartha Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020, 23:11 To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further...

2020-07-20 Thread James Andrewartha
On 21/7/20 11:04 am, Tim Cappalli wrote: > Both major Wi-Fi vendors have Passpoint offerings that are either > available or in preview. I'm talking about the client side. Intune doesn't even have a CA either (no the short-lived one for conditional access doesn't count). Where's the Microsoft

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further...

2020-07-20 Thread Tim Cappalli
Both major Wi-Fi vendors have Passpoint offerings that are either available or in preview. Tim From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv Date: Monday, July 20, 2020 at 22:34 To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further...

2020-07-20 Thread James Andrewartha
On 21/7/20 5:21 am, Tim Cappalli wrote: > Passpoint solves all of these issues. Where is the vendor support for it? Autopilot white glove doesn't even support wireless networks at all. -- James Andrewartha Network & Projects Engineer Christ Church Grammar School Claremont, Western Australia Ph.

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further...

2020-07-20 Thread Johnson, Christopher
y, July 20, 2020 12:46 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further... [This message came from an external source. If suspicious, report to ab...@ilstu.edu<mailto:ab...@ilstu.edu>] For .1x connections, per device certs seems to be th

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further...

2020-07-20 Thread Jonathan Waldrep
t: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 12:36 PM > To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU > Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further... > > [This message came from an external source. If suspicious, report to > ab...@ilstu.edu<mailto:ab...@ilstu.edu>] > T

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further...

2020-07-20 Thread Johnson, Christopher
The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv On Behalf Of Enfield, Chuck Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 12:36 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further... [This message came from an external source. If suspicious, report to ab.

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further...

2020-07-14 Thread Enfield, Chuck
True, but default behavior matters. From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv On Behalf Of Rios, Hector J Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 1:12 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further... Please note that MAC

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further...

2020-07-14 Thread Rios, Hector J
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 11:32 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further... For those of us using ClearPass to authenticate users to eduroam, does this mean that every iOS device will get registered as a new endpoint every day

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further...

2020-07-14 Thread Tim Cappalli
: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 at 12:31 To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further... For those of us using ClearPass to authenticate users to eduroam, does this mean that every iOS device will get registered as a new endpoint every day

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further...

2020-07-14 Thread Jonathan Miller
s Issues Community Group Listserv < > WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> *On Behalf Of *Enfield, Chuck > *Sent:* Friday, July 10, 2020 4:34 PM > *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU > *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further... > > > > My p

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further...

2020-07-10 Thread Enfield, Chuck
: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further... But why would that change anything? A user on campus for a football game is there for less than 24 hours. The MAC address changes per ESSID, every 24 hours. I don’t understand what changes here for that use case? It really only impacts

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further...

2020-07-10 Thread Tim Cappalli
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further... Tim, With Covid, any lease time would not be an issue. But how big were your home football events / tailgate parties / parent weekends at Brandeis? I’m focusing more on the impact of those events

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further...

2020-07-10 Thread Floyd, Brad
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Tim Cappalli Sent: Friday, July 10, 2020 3:53 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: [EXTERNAL]Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further... Agreed on IPv6, but even for IPv4, I imagine most folks are running short leases

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further...

2020-07-10 Thread Eric LaCroix
marc-requ...@listserv.educause.edu> Reply-To: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv Date: Friday, July 10, 2020 at 4:52 PM To: "WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU" Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further... Agreed on IPv6, but even for IPv4

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further...

2020-07-10 Thread Tim Cappalli
10, 2020 at 16:51 To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further... Maybe a good use case for IPv6 From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Enfield, Chuck Sent

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further...

2020-07-10 Thread Floyd, Brad
ELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further... We’re all going to need to check the TTL on DHCP leases… some of our scopes will get eaten alive otherwise. From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further...

2020-07-10 Thread Enfield, Chuck
Uhg. Didn’t even think about that. From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv On Behalf Of Eric LaCroix Sent: Friday, July 10, 2020 4:48 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further... We’re all going to need to check

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further...

2020-07-10 Thread Eric LaCroix
y 10, 2020 at 3:42 PM To: "WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU" Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further... Thanks Tim. I just started a conversation with my SE. Brad From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.E

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further...

2020-07-10 Thread Enfield, Chuck
That’s not what our guest network is for. From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv On Behalf Of Friskney, Doyle N. Sent: Friday, July 10, 2020 4:41 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further... This approach

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further...

2020-07-10 Thread Friskney, Doyle N.
0 From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv on behalf of "Enfield, Chuck" Reply-To: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv Date: Friday, July 10, 2020 at 4:37 PM To: "WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU" Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC R