Re: [WISPA] Service Limits

2009-05-21 Thread Brad Belton
Hello Mike, The bottom line - the end game - after all is said and done, the property owner will have his way and he should. After all it is his private property and if he doesn't want to offer XYZ amenity then he shouldn't be forced to. It should be his decision and only his decision and the mar

[WISPA] new WISPA website

2009-05-21 Thread Adam Greene
Hi guys! Nice new website! Congratulations! Just curious ... what is the backend? Wordpress? ... or another content management system? We're looking to upgrade our own website and are evaluating a number of options Thanks! Adam -

Re: [WISPA] new WISPA website

2009-05-21 Thread Rick Harnish
Yes it is WordPress. There are a few scripts added such as the Footer Ad Rotator which are not WordPress, I'm not sure what language it was written in. Rick -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Adam Greene Sent: Thursday,

Re: [WISPA] new WISPA website

2009-05-21 Thread Cameron Kilton
I'm a big fan of e107. www.e107.org. -Cameron -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 10:05 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] new WISPA website Yes it is WordPress. Ther

Re: [WISPA] Service Limits

2009-05-21 Thread Mike Hammett
I'd have a more authoritative source, but "The normal FCC website is temporarily unavailable due to technical difficulties. We are working to restore the full FCC website back to normal as soon as possible." Residential telecom was banned on March 21st, 2008. Commercial telecom was banned Octo

[WISPA] Congressman Wants to Ban Download Caps

2009-05-21 Thread Matt
Supposedly you cannot throttle p2p and now there trying to say you cannot impose download caps as well. http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2009/04/congressman-to/#previouspost Perhaps this should be amended to include utilities such as water, electric, gas, telephone and etc. Wispa really should off

Re: [WISPA] Service Limits

2009-05-21 Thread Brad Belton
Hello Mike, Still doesn't mean the property owner can't keep you out. Again, bottom line after all is said and done the property owner WILL prevail one way or another. Again, it is his private property and should be this way. If the property "A" doesn't have covered parking, but property "B

[WISPA] Quesiton on Funding / Financing / Capital Availability

2009-05-21 Thread Charles Wu
With all the hype being generated by the stimulus bill, we have been approached by a multitude of third party financial organizations that have a renewed interest in potentially financing rural broadband...now, specifically, for WISPs, in the past, equipment leasing has been a very popular optio

Re: [WISPA] Service Limits

2009-05-21 Thread Matt Liotta
Your argument assumes issues such as anti-trust don't exist. The market is not always right especially when you have monopoly issues to deal with. In the case of telecom, we have competitive issues that the market has been unable to historically solve. See the breakup of AT&T and more recen

Re: [WISPA] Service Limits

2009-05-21 Thread Brad Belton
Your argument makes the assumption there are no other options for a tenant other than the property in question. This is really no different than restaurants that allow smoking vs. restaurants that don't allow smoking. If you want to smoke you will dine at restaurants that allow smoking and the

Re: [WISPA] Congressman Wants to Ban Download Caps

2009-05-21 Thread Steve Barnes
This Congressman is an idiot. His own statements makes no sense. >"They are providing a utility and frankly you should not be able to impose >cascading rate >increases without justifying them," Massa said. "What Time >Warner is saying is not true and >their own SEC filings show that. This is >

Re: [WISPA] Service Limits

2009-05-21 Thread Matt Liotta
On May 21, 2009, at 12:39 PM, Brad Belton wrote: > Your argument makes the assumption there are no other options for a > tenant > other than the property in question. > No it doesn't make that assumption. Tenants make long term decisions related to property leases. In many cases, the tenant m

Re: [WISPA] Congressman Wants to Ban Download Caps

2009-05-21 Thread D. Ryan Spott
My water utility offers unlimited service (at least for now). However, they only provide a 1" pipe to me. I am happy to provide unlimited service to my customers. 3mbps pipe for a while.. then a 56kbps pipe as much as they want! That's right folks! I am offering a 56kbps pipe UNLIMITED! :) rya

Re: [WISPA] Congressman Wants to Ban Download Caps

2009-05-21 Thread Josh Luthman
One of our utility bills is the same cost every month of the year. Don't know if it is "unlimited" or not, though. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must

Re: [WISPA] Congressman Wants to Ban Download Caps

2009-05-21 Thread reader
How about we tell them that it is absolutely none of their freaking business... Politely, of course. - Original Message - From: "Matt" To: "WISPA General List" ; Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 8:00 AM Subject: [WISPA] Congressman Wants to Ban Downlo

Re: [WISPA] Congressman Wants to Ban Download Caps

2009-05-21 Thread Rick Kunze
On 5/21/2009 8:00 AM, Matt wrote: > Supposedly you cannot throttle p2p and now there trying to say you cannot > impose download caps as well. > > http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2009/04/congressman-to/#previouspost > > Perhaps this should be amended to include utilities such as water, electric, >

Re: [WISPA] Quesiton on Funding / Financing / Capital Availability

2009-05-21 Thread reader
Answers in-line. - Original Message - From: "Charles Wu" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 8:49 AM Subject: [WISPA] Quesiton on Funding / Financing / Capital Availability > With all the hype being generated by the stimulus bill,

Re: [WISPA] Congressman Wants to Ban Download Caps

2009-05-21 Thread D. Ryan Spott
My electric bill is the same every month regardless of how much I use. My wife used to work for the electric company and discovered that you can do bill averaging for the year, based on last years bill. That means that high usage for AC or whatever in whatever month does not kill you that month

Re: [WISPA] Congressman Wants to Ban Download Caps

2009-05-21 Thread Rick Kunze
Oops, sorry for the blank reply, I hit the wrong keys. On 5/21/2009 8:00 AM, Matt wrote: > Supposedly you cannot throttle p2p and now there trying to say you > cannot impose download caps as well. Personally, I can't EVEN imagine that such a law could stand up to basic reasoning. But think abou

Re: [WISPA] Congressman Wants to Ban Download Caps

2009-05-21 Thread Rick Kunze
On 5/21/2009 10:05 AM, D. Ryan Spott wrote: > My water utility offers unlimited service (at least for now). > However, they only provide a 1" pipe to me. Being in an ag region, I use this exact analogy in my explanation of my throttling matrix. I tell them that yea, you could in fact irrigate th

Re: [WISPA] Service Limits

2009-05-21 Thread Dennis Burgess - Linktechs
Now, what about if you can not smoke a cigar in a smoking restaurant? * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Service

[WISPA] Just for a laugh

2009-05-21 Thread Dennis Burgess - Linktechs
-- * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www

Re: [WISPA] Just for a laugh

2009-05-21 Thread Dennis Burgess - Linktechs
http://www.break.com/pictures/internet-building727205.html How about the link :) * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Supp

Re: [WISPA] Congressman Wants to Ban Download Caps

2009-05-21 Thread Steve Barnes
Well my electric does that too. But in march is my make up month and if my usage is less than what I have paid I get a free month if it s more then I get a bill for the difference. This year I had to make up $435 in the month of march. But that is still a budget so if we did that with wireles

Re: [WISPA] Local County Fair

2009-05-21 Thread Adam Kennedy
Something easy would be to use OpenDNS on that machine.seems to work fairly well. On 5/20/09 12:44 PM, "Vickie Edwards" wrote: > I think that would be a better idea... redirect those domains to a > splash screen saying that the connection is for demo purposes only. > Maybe allow something l

Re: [WISPA] Just for a laugh

2009-05-21 Thread Josh Luthman
Hahaha Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth." --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 4:35 PM, Dennis Burgess - Linktechs < dm

[WISPA] Alvarion VL Firmware

2009-05-21 Thread Cameron Kilton
Anybody got a copy of the new VL firmware 5.5 from Alvarion, it's supposed to do wonders for the 900 band and has a filter built into it now. :) Thank You, Cameron Kilton WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.

Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Firmware

2009-05-21 Thread Adam Kennedy
I'd be interested in that as well. On 5/21/09 5:13 PM, "Cameron Kilton" wrote: > Anybody got a copy of the new VL firmware 5.5 from Alvarion, it's > supposed to do wonders for the 900 band and has a filter built into it > now. :) > > Thank You, > Cameron Kilton > > > > -

Re: [WISPA] Congressman Wants to Ban Download Caps

2009-05-21 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
People read the comments, its scary, like this one... "Internet providing is like having an infinite tank of free water. ISP's pay for the pipes to get it to your house. You pay them based on the size of the pipe. Now they want to charge you based on the amount of free water you use each month. D

Re: [WISPA] Congressman Wants to Ban Download Caps

2009-05-21 Thread Charles Wu
>People read the comments, its scary, like this one... >"Internet providing is like having an infinite tank of free water. ISP's pay >for the pipes to get it to your house. You pay them based on the size of the >pipe. Now they want to charge you based on the amount of free water you use >each mont

[WISPA] NEED Router w/ T3 and Ethernet

2009-05-21 Thread Chris T.
Hi, so it seems we got in a jam and now we need a router with T3 (clear channel) and Ethernet. Anyone have one in stock to overnight? Adam Goodman 801.971.1856 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/

Re: [WISPA] Just for a laugh

2009-05-21 Thread Dennis Burgess - Linktechs
Well at least I got one! * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member* *Office*: 314-735-0270

Re: [WISPA] NEED Router w/ T3 and Ethernet

2009-05-21 Thread Jayson Baker
We have a Tasman DS3 router... new in box, about 4 years old. Really, not sure what it is, but I know it has a DS3 port and a Ethernet port. Interested? On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 3:42 PM, Chris T. wrote: > Hi, so it seems we got in a jam and now we need a router with T3 (clear > channel) and Eth

Re: [WISPA] Congressman Wants to Ban Download Caps

2009-05-21 Thread Tom DeReggi
Dont put words into their mouth. It didn't say "regulate ISPs and broadband providers". It said "regulate monopolies" that are providing like utility services. When monopolies get rid of regulation, they should also get rid of their special priveledges, that utility status entitles them to. Th

Re: [WISPA] Quesiton on Funding / Financing / Capital Availability

2009-05-21 Thread Tom DeReggi
I've never found a lender willing to lend against using the in-place used equipment as colladeral. It is the biggest double standard. I find it highly ironic that they'll use a car for colladeral that looses 50% of its value the day it leaves the lot, and has a rate of failure and risk of damage

Re: [WISPA] NEED Router w/ T3 and Ethernet

2009-05-21 Thread Jeff Broadwick
Hi Adam, Left you a message. I can get something out to you tomorrow for Saturday delivery if needed. Jeff ImageStream 574-220-7826 cell 800-813-5123 x106 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chris T. Sent: Thursday, May 2

Re: [WISPA] Just for a laugh

2009-05-21 Thread Jeff Broadwick
Me too! Try this one out: http://www.lmgtfy.com/ Put something in, hit enter and then click GO beneath the link that appears. Jeff -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess - Linktechs Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2

Re: [WISPA] Service Limits

2009-05-21 Thread Tom DeReggi
Brad said... "Again, in the end the property owner will prevail as they should. It is after all their property and they should have final say what happens to their property. If their decisions are poor and result in lost lease revenue than they'll be gone soon enough and maybe the new owner will

Re: [WISPA] NEED Router w/ T3 and Ethernet

2009-05-21 Thread Josh Luthman
I was going to suggest IS for this but Jeff beat me to it. On 5/21/09, Jeff Broadwick wrote: > Hi Adam, > > Left you a message. > > I can get something out to you tomorrow for Saturday delivery if needed. > > Jeff > ImageStream > 574-220-7826 cell > 800-813-5123 x106 > > -Original Message

Re: [WISPA] Congressman Wants to Ban Download Caps

2009-05-21 Thread Scottie Arnett
I don't want to seem like a chronic complainer as I usually do on the WISPA listbut this has been my SPEW all along for years! The FCC and Washington have NO Intelligible IDEA about Internet Technology and how it works! Out of most of our House and Senate reps, I bet 90% do not even know ho

Re: [WISPA] Quesiton on Funding / Financing / Capital Availability

2009-05-21 Thread Scottie Arnett
Me either Tom. I got the same reply from my local bank on borrowing against my equipment. It was "Can't do it! No resale value on tech equipment." Jeesh! Scott -- Original Message -- From: "Tom DeReggi" Reply-To: WISPA General List Date: Thu, 21 May 200

Re: [WISPA] Congressman Wants to Ban Download Caps

2009-05-21 Thread RickG
I'm glad you said "hope". We can all hope but dont hold your breath. I dont trust anything politicians do, especially these days. All they are after is votes and their agendas (order of which to be determined). The only "change" now is that they dont care what the "average Joe" thinks. I dont mean

Re: [WISPA] Quesiton on Funding / Financing / Capital Availability

2009-05-21 Thread RickG
Well, Agility will but what out for the terms! -RickG On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 7:27 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote: > I've never found a lender willing to lend against using the in-place used > equipment as colladeral. > It is the biggest double standard. > I find it highly ironic that they'll use a car fo

Re: [WISPA] Thanking Marlon and multipath experience

2009-05-21 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Glad to be of help Forbes! Once in a while I make a lucky guess. grin OK, design note time. I work to keep all of my links in the -65 to -75 range. If you look up the specs for your radios you will likely find that this is well above the lowest receive signal level, but not too far above it.

Re: [WISPA] Congressman Wants to Ban Download Caps

2009-05-21 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Matt I think that's a great idea. What a bone headed idea. What was that about politicians and common sense? lol Tom/Steve, any suggestions about how to smack this idea back into the hole it came from? thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: "Matt" To: "WISPA General List" ; Se

Re: [WISPA] Quesiton on Funding / Financing / Capital Availability

2009-05-21 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
- Original Message - From: "Charles Wu" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 8:49 AM Subject: [WISPA] Quesiton on Funding / Financing / Capital Availability > With all the hype being generated by the stimulus bill, we have been > approached by a multitude of third pa

Re: [WISPA] Just for a laugh

2009-05-21 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
OK THAT is funny! marlon - Original Message - From: "Dennis Burgess - Linktechs" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 1:35 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Just for a laugh > http://www.break.com/pictures/internet-building727205.html > > How about the link :) > > * ---

Re: [WISPA] Congressman Wants to Ban Download Caps

2009-05-21 Thread George Rogato
For sure congress doesn't have much of a clue. But the FCC understands very well. Scottie Arnett wrote: > I don't want to seem like a chronic complainer as I usually do on the WISPA > listbut this has been my SPEW all along for years! The FCC and Washington > have NO Intelligible IDEA abou