Re: [WISPA] AM radio tower

2009-09-09 Thread Mike Hammett
http://www.lbagroup.com/hottowerart.php They make a power isolation coil. Your best bet would be to use one of those to pass power up the tower and use fiber to transmit data. I worked with them on an AM tower in the past. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions

Re: [WISPA] 2.4 Frequency coordination

2009-09-09 Thread Josh Luthman
I believe you can but you'll need to use the CLI Int wireless set wlan1 frequency=2406 On 9/9/09, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote: I have some questions on the frequency agility of Mikrotik equipment, FCC regs, and frequency coordination. There are 3 non-overlapping channels at 2.4G; 1, 6 and

Re: [WISPA] 2.4 Frequency coordination

2009-09-09 Thread eje
Custom freq gives you the ability to select every 5Mhz as channel option not useful in 2.4GHz since the channel spacing is already on 5MHz separation. But you can select 5MHz below channel 1. /Eje --Original Message-- From: Mike Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: WISPA General

[WISPA] 3.65GHz Grandfathered satellite earth stations

2009-09-09 Thread pat
Anybody else having any luck with these people. They're trying to tell me I might have to clear all my customer sites for a proposed WiMax deployment on a case by case basis. I'm at the edge of the 150km exclusion zone and have a mountain range in between us. This is getting really

Re: [WISPA] 3.65GHz Grandfathered satellite earth stations

2009-09-09 Thread Brian Webster
Title: Thank You, I would try buying a mailing list, map the potential customers the fall within your wireless footprint, submit that as a batch and get one approval. You could use the same information for a targeted marketing campaign. Thank You, Brian Webster pat wrote:

Re: [WISPA] 3.65GHz Grandfathered satellite earth stations

2009-09-09 Thread Tim Sylvester
Who are these people? The FCC or the satellite earth station people? The FCC describes an alternative for determining a safe distance for locating a station with in an FSS protection zone in Appendix D of the Report and Order authorizing the 3.65 - 3.70 GHz band. You can read the full document

Re: [WISPA] 3.65GHz Grandfathered satellite earth stations

2009-09-09 Thread pat
SES Americom, and they suffer from cranial rectitus. Tim Sylvester wrote: Who are these people? The FCC or the satellite earth station people? The FCC describes an alternative for determining a safe distance for locating a station with in an FSS protection zone in Appendix D of the Report

Re: [WISPA] 3.65GHz Grandfathered satellite earth stations

2009-09-09 Thread Tim Sylvester
It sucks to be in the satellite business today. Tim -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of pat Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 9:59 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65GHz Grandfathered satellite

Re: [WISPA] 3.65GHz Grandfathered satellite earth stations

2009-09-09 Thread Leon D. Zetekoff
pat wrote: SES Americom, and they suffer from cranial rectitus. Pat...what exactly are they saying to you. It is not easy. You may have to get a 3rd party engineering firm to tdo the analysis. I dealt with COmsearch for awhile before I switched jobs. Comsearch did one or two analysis' for

Re: [WISPA] 3.65GHz Grandfathered satellite earth stations

2009-09-09 Thread Gino Villarini
Are you doing this yourself or with a help of an attorney? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of pat Sent:

Re: [WISPA] 3.65GHz Grandfathered satellite earth stations

2009-09-09 Thread Tim Sylvester
Do you have permission from SES Americom to at least install your base station? If so, register your base station on the FCC site. Once the base station is approved, start registering your client sites. Tim -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] 2.4 Frequency coordination

2009-09-09 Thread Mike
Good idea, but it won't let me. I receive this message: message=bad band and/or channel, see 'wireless info' for supported channels;code=4 Apparently, it IS possible with the Wili cards, but still don't have a total answer to my query. Can anybody help a fellow WISPA member? Hasn't anybody

Re: [WISPA] 2.4 Frequency coordination

2009-09-09 Thread Mike
And when I look at wireless info, I see this: 2ghz-b-channels=2412:0,2417:0,2422:0,2427:0,2432:0,2437:0,2442:0,2447:0, 2452:0,2457:0,2462:0 So the Extended Frequency License will allow me to modify these? Any other way? I'd hate to have to buy an extra license for every CPE

Re: [WISPA] 2.4 Frequency coordination

2009-09-09 Thread Cameron Kilton
I have you tried just setting your MT to a different country and see if it becomes available? I know brazil gives you access to above the 2462 limit which is nice because we can you much more above that in unlicensed spectrum. -Cameron -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] 2.4 Frequency coordination

2009-09-09 Thread Josh Luthman
Extended frequency license? Have not heard of this... I'd take Cameron's suggestion and try the brazil country code and see if you can pick an odd channel center. Your problem may be the card's inability, especially if Wili cards can but Compex/Ubiquiti can not. Josh Luthman Office:

Re: [WISPA] 3.65GHz Grandfathered satellite earth stations

2009-09-09 Thread Jack Unger
Title: Thank You, Pat, First, I can understand the Earth Station's concern about your customer sites but by properly engineering your network and showing your propagation patterns on a map, I believe you can address their legitimate concerns. Either prepare or buy a propagation map showing

Re: [WISPA] 3.65GHz Grandfathered satellite earth stations

2009-09-09 Thread pat
They sent our site information for the base stations to Comsearch for an RF analysis so they have a map. They also have a map of my customer locations, none of which point in their direction. I also have a mountain range that goes from around 5000 feet to 7000 feet in elevation between me

Re: [WISPA] 2.4 Frequency coordination

2009-09-09 Thread Jack Unger
Be Careful!! Selecting another Country Code is unwise if you are going to operate near the band edges because of "spurs" (spurious emissions). Here's an explanation. A 20-MHz (or 10 MHz or 5 MHz) channel is really more than 20 MHz (or 10 MHz or 5 MHz) wide when you consider that all of the

Re: [WISPA] 2.4 Frequency coordination

2009-09-09 Thread Josh Luthman
Very good point. FFR ISM – 2450.0 ± 50 MHz http://www.ntia.doc.gov/osmhome/allochrt.pdf Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir

Re: [WISPA] AM radio tower

2009-09-09 Thread Doug Ratcliffe
We just finished installing 3 Powerstation 5's and 2 Nanostation 5's on a 160 foot AM tower using an AC power choke fiber to the bottom. We put the POE's and stuff at the top of the tower. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List

Re: [WISPA] 2.4 Frequency coordination

2009-09-09 Thread Mike
Thanks for the explanation Jack, and thanks to others for their input. The radios I am finding are agile down to 5 MHz. So the example I used would put the center of a sub channel 1 device at 2407. If it is a 10MHz device, their very well could be spurious emissions below 2400, but not

Re: [WISPA] 3.65GHz Grandfathered satellite earth stations

2009-09-09 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Thank You,I've been trying to deal with SES too. They are nearly impossible to deal with. They want a commsearch for EVERY link. I've tried to explain that these are ptmp systems. Brick wall.. sigh marlon - Original Message - From: Jack Unger To:

[WISPA] Which WiMAX Are You?

2009-09-09 Thread Patrick Leary
The subject question is one Aperto thinks should be asked and now is the time to ask it. The WiMAX Forum has been beating the 802.16e drum in a manner trying to chump 802.16d. The fact is, there are two WiMAX standards, not one. By the Forum's own words from a 2005 paper it put out in November

[WISPA] BIP / BTOP Applications are online

2009-09-09 Thread Kevin Suitor
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Re: [WISPA] Which WiMAX Are You?

2009-09-09 Thread Gino Villarini
Im 802.16c, C as in Canopy Ducking!!! Hello Patrick! Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary

Re: [WISPA] Which WiMAX Are You?

2009-09-09 Thread Patrick Leary
And you know that is fine. Just tired of the goofy drum beat for E. Even though we are building E too, my opinion is that E is a standard looking for a home now that LTE is clearly eating E's lunch for mobile operators. So those guys who have gone all-or-nothing with E are desparately trying to

Re: [WISPA] Which WiMAX Are You?

2009-09-09 Thread 3-dB Networks
Patrick, Motorola has an 802.16e variant product coming out early next year. Supposed to be a fixed implementation of the 802.16e standard. I'm sure we would all like to hear your thoughts on it Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From:

Re: [WISPA] Which WiMAX Are You?

2009-09-09 Thread Tim Sylvester
I would like to see more vendors support 802.16e at 3.65GHz. Also I would like to see 802.16e at 3.65GHz supported in a netbook and a USB dongle. Does anyone know if the Intel WiMAX chips support 3.65GHz? Tim -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] Which WiMAX Are You?

2009-09-09 Thread Matt Liotta
E is only really useful for mobile and mobile is not supportable with the current 3650 rules. -Matt On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 6:42 PM, Tim Sylvester t...@avanzarnetworks.comwrote: I would like to see more vendors support 802.16e at 3.65GHz. Also I would like to see 802.16e at 3.65GHz supported in

Re: [WISPA] Which WiMAX Are You?

2009-09-09 Thread 3-dB Networks
Nothing as far as I know... but the lower power limits and the higher frequency don't make it too feasible. If you have to be within 1/4 mile of the tower to make mobility work... it seems like your going to spend a lot of money for nothing Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com

Re: [WISPA] Which WiMAX Are You?

2009-09-09 Thread Patrick Leary
I would if I were them. It will be interesting to see what sort of variant it is. For sure it will have to be stripped down heavily since their .16e is built for the likes of Sprint. Not sure what their .16e status is anyway, since it looks like Clearwire is moving to Chinese product from Huawei.

Re: [WISPA] Which WiMAX Are You?

2009-09-09 Thread Matt Liotta
I didn't state E was not supportable. I stated mobile was not supportable because of the current rules, which severally limit the power of mobile devices. Couple that with the poor physics of 3650 and the limited power available at the base stations to compensate; mobile will never work. -Matt On

Re: [WISPA] Which WiMAX Are You?

2009-09-09 Thread Tim Sylvester
Is a 1/4 a rough estimate or has someone been able to test E at 3.65GHz? What type of range have people seen in the field with E at 3.65GHz with indoor subscriber units? I would a agree that a 1/4 mile in rural area of Colorado or Iowa (where I grew up) is not very useful but now I live in a

[WISPA] Nesc codes

2009-09-09 Thread Sales
Does anyone know exactly what the nesc codes for fiber on poles are? We have a run that we want to do and the poles are kinda crowded. The electric company told us the phone company has to stay on bottom and there has to be certain gaps. If they have to move people up to make room they may need

Re: [WISPA] Which WiMAX Are You?

2009-09-09 Thread Bret Clark
The 802.16e standard was a gallant effort, but by not be able to get the cellular carriers on board early on was an ominous sign and I knew right from the start that they wouldn't jump on board...open standards scare telephone (AKA cellular) companies because it removes their ability to

Re: [WISPA] Which WiMAX Are You?

2009-09-09 Thread Patrick Leary
It is not a technology issue Tim. It is an economics issue. 1. The FCC's power limits for mobile in 3.65 is 1/10th or so the power of outdoor fixed. 2. The WiMAX Forum, which does all profiles and certifications, is not including 3.65 GHz in its profiles since it is a fixed band. 3. The

Re: [WISPA] Which WiMAX Are You?

2009-09-09 Thread Patrick Leary
Amen from the peanut gallery Bret. You'd find interesting the, ahem, discussion taking place between us and the big guys inside the WiMAX Forum board room. I think it is fair to say some are dillusional about the LTE. Maybe I would be too if I'd bet my entire company on mobile WiMAX. And it is not

Re: [WISPA] Which WiMAX Are You?

2009-09-09 Thread Patrick Leary
..and what's worse is even if E did take off, most of the business is now going to the Chinese vendors ZTE and Huawei, who have the power of their whole government behind them in terms of offering can't-say-no sweet heart financing deals that vendors in capitalist countries can't come close to

Re: [WISPA] Which WiMAX Are You?

2009-09-09 Thread Paul Rice
Amen Brother! -- From: Patrick Leary ple...@apertonet.com Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 6:25 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which WiMAX Are You? ..and what's worse is even if E did take off, most of the

Re: [WISPA] Which WiMAX Are You?

2009-09-09 Thread Patrick Leary
By the way, it will also be interesting to see what the price points on this will be. I can get you a 3-sector 60 mbps net capacity cell (at full QoS load) for $20k, complete with local sync (no separate sync module needed for local cell sync) and NMS with enterprise CPE (around 20 mb/s) for

Re: [WISPA] Which WiMAX Are You?

2009-09-09 Thread Gino Villarini
Well actually that it's a whole ne subject What benefits do I have with a 802.16x product over a over propiertary system? 802.16x products are propietary cause vendors lock you down to theit CPE, NMS ect... Canopy has the GPS sync, has a good QOS (not so extensive as 802.16x), Has lower

Re: [WISPA] Nesc codes

2009-09-09 Thread AJ
The work we do with Idaho Power here requires us to be 30 below the lowest conductor (grounded neutral in our case) from power and 40 from the lowest primary distribution. However, if triplex is coming off the pole (secondary single phase 120/240v from transformer to house, basically the power