[WISPA] Customer to Bandwidth Ratio

2009-09-12 Thread Robert West
I'm sure this has been asked before but what ratio are some of you using for customer vs. available bandwidth? We aren't experiencing any problems at the moment but I want to know when we should start looking to add capacity. Our competitor is running 20 up and 20 down but has 500+ customers on it

Re: [WISPA] Customer to Bandwidth Ratio

2009-09-12 Thread Kevin Neal
We monitor our bandwidth usage and when we are consistently hitting about 80% we look to upgrade bandwidth. -Kevin On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 8:03 AM, Robert West wrote: > I'm sure this has been asked before but what ratio are some of you using > for > customer vs. available bandwidth? We aren't

Re: [WISPA] Customer to Bandwidth Ratio

2009-09-12 Thread Chuck Hogg
We have approximately 1200 customers and over 150MBit of available BW, peaking at around 35-40MB. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf

Re: [WISPA] Comet Antennas

2009-09-12 Thread 3-dB Networks
Robert, I strongly recommend Comet antennas... in 2.4GHz it is the only omni I typically recommend. Just had a customer swap out some Pac Omni's for Comet ones and he told me he saw an across the boards performance increase. My own limited testing in our old WISP showed them to outperform the Pa

[WISPA] Comet Antennas

2009-09-12 Thread Robert West
I was looking for a decent 2.4GHz Omni for some small AP's I'm in the process of setting up in our outlying areas with low population density and came across these Comet antennas over at wlanparts. Has anyone had any experience with these? At a little over 100 bucks, worth it or not? Price doesn

[WISPA] UBNT AirMax World Conference

2009-09-12 Thread Robert West
Okay, so I got an email from UBNT about the AirMax World Conference in Chicago. The bait is a FREE Rocket5 for EVERYONE who attends?? Of course the small print, "*While supplies last, we will try to make sure all registered attendees receive one" I'm still waiting for my free shirt, by the way,

Re: [WISPA] UBNT AirMax World Conference

2009-09-12 Thread Jayson Baker
You can get round-trip airfare and hotel accomodations to Chicago for less than $89/pp? On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 9:01 AM, Robert West wrote: > Okay, so I got an email from UBNT about the AirMax World Conference in > Chicago. The bait is a FREE Rocket5 for EVERYONE who attends?? Of course > the s

Re: [WISPA] UBNT AirMax World Conference

2009-09-12 Thread Robert West
Hey, it's only a 5 hour drive for me! Gotta get out the calculator... 22 miles a gallon, 692 miles round trip, gas 2.50 gallon, 78 bucks in gas, already 10 buck profit. (Not counting for the extra weight from the humans packed like cattle into my mini-van) Gotta feed em', sadly Say,

Re: [WISPA] Customer to Bandwidth Ratio

2009-09-12 Thread Josh Luthman
It's going to be different ratios with the different bandwidth packages and what your customer base is. 100 farmers bandwidth is the same as 1 wow player for example. On 9/12/09, Chuck Hogg wrote: > We have approximately 1200 customers and over 150MBit of available BW, > peaking at around 35-40M

Re: [WISPA] UBNT AirMax World Conference

2009-09-12 Thread Jayson Baker
LOL On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Robert West wrote: > Hey, it's only a 5 hour drive for me! Gotta get out the calculator... > 22 miles a gallon, 692 miles round trip, gas 2.50 gallon, 78 bucks in gas, > already 10 buck profit. (Not counting for the extra weight from the > humans pac

Re: [WISPA] UBNT AirMax World Conference

2009-09-12 Thread Josh Luthman
Not to mention the fact we all expect it to be difficult to order more Ubnt gear half the time. On 9/12/09, Robert West wrote: > Hey, it's only a 5 hour drive for me! Gotta get out the calculator... > 22 miles a gallon, 692 miles round trip, gas 2.50 gallon, 78 bucks in gas, > already 10 buc

Re: [WISPA] UBNT AirMax World Conference

2009-09-12 Thread Robert West
Maybe I could put something up on Craig's List in Chicago and gather up, say, 200 people. Fill the hall with warm bodies who have no interest in UBNT all for the sake of my greedy motivation. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Beha

Re: [WISPA] Customer to Bandwidth Ratio

2009-09-12 Thread Phil Curnutt
We found a few years back that 40 CPE's/Mb was pushing the limit, but that was before Video streaming, Voip, Utube, Facebook, MySpace, etc. We have 340 CPE's using DS-3 fiber and peak at around 17 Mbps in the afternoon when everyone gets home from work. Phil On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 9:31 AM, Jos

Re: [WISPA] Vendors eating their dogfood (was Re: Which WiMAX Are You?)

2009-09-12 Thread Robert West
Those marketing photos sure look pretty though. They might also explain why I keep seeing installs done just like the pictures. I had a bit of an argument a few weeks ago on the UBNT forums with some folks defending using indoor patch cable outside and not wrapping connectors. It started with so

Re: [WISPA] Vendors eating their dogfood (was Re: Which WiMAX Are You?)

2009-09-12 Thread Josh Luthman
Wait why would patch cables look better then shielded cable and connectors..? On 9/12/09, Robert West wrote: > Those marketing photos sure look pretty though. They might also explain why > I keep seeing installs done just like the pictures. I had a bit of an > argument a few weeks ago on the UB

Re: [WISPA] wind jammer communications

2009-09-12 Thread sales
The thing with windjammer is they are still in business and still serving areas. It was only eary in the year decided they would not be upgrading the rural areas to handle the dtv transition. So the dead areas have only been dead for 6 months or so. There should be no back rent on the poles etc.

Re: [WISPA] Vendors eating their dogfood (was Re: Which WiMAX Are You?)

2009-09-12 Thread Robert West
Nice pretty and shiny PVC makes for a better picture in a variety of colors! All the outdoor shielded cable we've ever purchased is a boring flat black. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Saturday, Sep

Re: [WISPA] Vendors eating their dogfood (was Re: Which WiMAX Are You?)

2009-09-12 Thread Josh Luthman
As opposed to pretty rainbow colors? On 9/12/09, Robert West wrote: > Nice pretty and shiny PVC makes for a better picture in a variety of colors! > All the outdoor shielded cable we've ever purchased is a boring flat black. > > > > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.or

Re: [WISPA] Vendors eating their dogfood (was Re: Which WiMAX Are You?)

2009-09-12 Thread Robert West
Yep. I'll take a boring flat black shielded cable over a pretty indoor patch cable anytime for an outdoor install. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 12:51 PM To: WISPA Gene

Re: [WISPA] Vendors eating their dogfood (was Re: Which WiMAX Are You?)

2009-09-12 Thread Josh Luthman
I use black as well. It has worked for me. Belden branded and a spooled. On 9/12/09, Robert West wrote: > Yep. I'll take a boring flat black shielded cable over a pretty indoor > patch cable anytime for an outdoor install. > > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [

Re: [WISPA] Comet Antennas

2009-09-12 Thread Josh Luthman
What are Comet's prices relative to Pac's (similar products)? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth." --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Sat, S

Re: [WISPA] Comet Antennas

2009-09-12 Thread 3-dB Networks
The GP-24-3 street price costs about double than the OD24-12... but you do get 3 degrees of electrical downtilt Comet is going to probably be more expensive across the board Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com >-Original Message- >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mail

Re: [WISPA] Comet Antennas

2009-09-12 Thread eje
The OD24-12 has 3deg electric down tilt as well. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: "3-dB Networks" Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 12:59:08 To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comet Antennas The GP-24-3 street price costs about double than the OD24-12.

Re: [WISPA] Comet Antennas

2009-09-12 Thread Robert West
I've been using the Pac OD24-12 and they have the 3 degree downtilt but the reach isn't very far which is okay for what I've been doing with them. The price is around 60 to 65 bucks for the pac wireless. The comets seem to be around $105 but if 40 bucks more gave me an extra half mile or more, th

Re: [WISPA] UBNT AirMax World Conference

2009-09-12 Thread Mike Hammett
I got my shirt a while back and I was already registered when I found out they were handing out Rocket5s. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Robert West" Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 10:01 A

Re: [WISPA] Customer to Bandwidth Ratio

2009-09-12 Thread Mike Hammett
You have different farmers than I do. My biggest user is a farmer... then again, it's also my family. ;-) My only WoW player is also a farmer, sooo. :-p - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- Fro

Re: [WISPA] Vendors eating their dogfood (was Re: Which WiMAX AreYou?)

2009-09-12 Thread Mike Hammett
People are using patch cords from Walmart in their WISP installs? Jeez... I use regular outdoor cable, no flooding, no shielding, just UV protected cable. It's all I normally need and I've been doing this for a few years. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.co

Re: [WISPA] Vendors eating their dogfood (was Re: Which WiMAXAre You?)

2009-09-12 Thread Mike Hammett
I've had all monochrome shades between and including black and white. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Robert West" Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 11:34 AM To: "'WISPA General List'" Subject

Re: [WISPA] Customer to Bandwidth Ratio

2009-09-12 Thread Josh Luthman
Examples but you get the idea :) On 9/12/09, Mike Hammett wrote: > You have different farmers than I do. > > My biggest user is a farmer... then again, it's also my family. ;-) My > only WoW player is also a farmer, sooo. :-p > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solution

Re: [WISPA] Customer to Bandwidth Ratio

2009-09-12 Thread Scott Reed
I see you have some answers, but I think there is a piece missing from them. What is the customer bandwidth throttling you are using? Robert West wrote: > I'm sure this has been asked before but what ratio are some of you using for > customer vs. available bandwidth? We aren't experiencing any

Re: [WISPA] Vendors eating their dogfood (was Re: Which WiMAX AreYou?)

2009-09-12 Thread Robert West
Yep. And some are very smug about it. As if anyone using anything else is pretty darned stupid. We use the flooded and shielded just to use one cable. Had call for it a few times so we just use it always. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@

[WISPA] Lowdown on Alvarion VL power injectors

2009-09-12 Thread Jeremy Parr
What's the deal with the Alvarion power injectors? We have a shelf that appears to have a bad power supply. Do the su/b100 units power an AU? Also, are the OPS-DC power injectors universal? -- Sent from my mobile device ---

[WISPA] New 3650 List for WISPA Members

2009-09-12 Thread Jack Unger
WISPA is opening a new 3650 listserv for all WISPA Members to use. To subscribe to the list, go to . All WISPA members are invited to subscribe and to begin using the list to discuss the unique challenges and opportunities offered by the 3650 MHz b

Re: [WISPA] Which WiMAX Are You?

2009-09-12 Thread Chuck Bartosch
Tom, 802.16d implementations can and do support diversity antennas on the AUs. I don't know the definitive answer to the rest of the question. But I do know that: (1) Clients in 802.16e can and do support diversity (2) The clients are supposed to be interoperable (3) I know of no clients t

Re: [WISPA] Which WiMAX Are You?

2009-09-12 Thread Josh Luthman
Heads up thread - Jack made a new list for 3.650 topics specifically. On 9/12/09, Chuck Bartosch wrote: > Tom, > > 802.16d implementations can and do support diversity antennas on the > AUs. > > I don't know the definitive answer to the rest of the question. But I > do know that: > > (1) Clients

Re: [WISPA] WISPA FCC FILING re: Section 706

2009-09-12 Thread Leon D. Zetekoff, NCE
* Jack Unger wrote, On 9/12/2009 3:06 PM: On Friday (9/4) WISPA, with assistance from Rini/Coran, filed Comments in the FCC's "Section 706" Notice of Inquiry. This NOI asked if Broadband was being deployed in a reasonable and timely fashion to all Americans. WISPA's reply answered "No" to thi

Re: [WISPA] Which WiMAX Are You?

2009-09-12 Thread Rubens Kuhl
A members-only list, so if people don't mind to keep it going on this list instead of the closed one... Rubens On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 8:53 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > Heads up thread - Jack made a new list for 3.650 topics specifically. > > On 9/12/09, Chuck Bartosch wrote: >> Tom, >> >> 802.1

Re: [WISPA] Customer to Bandwidth Ratio

2009-09-12 Thread AJ
We use Cisco SCE2020s at the border. We used to "roll our own" but with a 10 Gig backbone at almost 40% utilization at peak time, it wasn't cost effective to try to maintain an in house solution that outside consultants couldn't support. With the SCEs, we focus on maintaining speed for browsing, e

Re: [WISPA] Which WiMAX Are You?

2009-09-12 Thread Chuck Bartosch
Yeah, I saw that. I do have to ask "why?" though. I hope we don't start having separate groups for 900, for 2.4, for the 5 ghz region, etc. I understand a BTOP/BIP group and a fiber group because clearly a lot of people aren't going to be interested in those topics. But dividing groups up b

Re: [WISPA] Which WiMAX Are You?

2009-09-12 Thread Chuck Bartosch
Ah. I never quite remember that: the WISP list is for WISPA members only, while the WISPA list is for any WISP. Definitely clever naming ;-). Still, I wish they'd change that since us not-so-clever people would expect the reverse! Anyway, I generally support moving some of this onto i

Re: [WISPA] wind jammer communications

2009-09-12 Thread Blake Bowers
Same sort of situation we ran into. The selling company only owned them a fairly short period of time, and they did not bring them current on their attachment fees from the company before. Not to say that is the case with Windjammer, just it is the case with others. Don't take your organs to h