[WISPA] Internet Backbone

2010-12-20 Thread Matt
Question out of curiosity. What does Tier1 carrier have for bandwidth between a couple major cities? Say between Chicago and St. Louis? How many Gigabit typically? I know it likely varies and there will be multiple routes but I was looking for an educated guesstimate. I imagine there would

Re: [WISPA] Internet Backbone

2010-12-20 Thread Ross Feezer
OC 192? Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Matt lm7...@gmail.com Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 14:51:15 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Internet Backbone

Re: [WISPA] Internet Backbone

2010-12-20 Thread Jeremy Parr
On 20 December 2010 15:51, Matt lm7...@gmail.com wrote: Question out of curiosity. What does Tier1 carrier have for bandwidth between a couple major cities? Say between Chicago and St. Louis? How many Gigabit typically? I know it likely varies and there will be multiple routes but I was

[WISPA] High Power RF close-proximity on tower question

2010-12-20 Thread Scott Carullo
Ok, I've dealt with up to about 20KW on FM transmitter 20 feet away and dealt with it decently. Now I'm told one of our installs of gear on a tower is about to get a 100KW 20ft above my gear and a TV antenna 20ft below it at 700KW channel 39 I think. Anyone have gear running close to this

Re: [WISPA] High Power RF close-proximity on tower question

2010-12-20 Thread Jack Unger
What gear are you running? On 12/20/2010 1:30 PM, Scott Carullo wrote: Ok, I've dealt with up to about 20KW on FM transmitter 20 feet away and dealt with it decently. Now I'm told one of our installs of gear on a tower is about to

[WISPA] Flexible rules promised for wireless

2010-12-20 Thread Joe Fiero
It's good to see all our efforts pay off. REUTERS updated 2 minutes ago 2010-12-20T21:45:55 WASHINGTON - The Federal Communications Commission is expected to adopt Internet traffic rules on Tuesday that would ban the blocking of lawful content, but allow high-speed Internet providers

Re: [WISPA] High Power RF close-proximity on tower question

2010-12-20 Thread Scott Carullo
2 Trango 11Ghz Apex's 3 Ubiquiti Rocket M5 sectors 3 Ubiquiti Rocket M2 sectors 1 Nanostation M5 3 Rocket M5s with 34db dishes 2 Radwin 2000C's Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 From: Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com Sent: Monday, December

Re: [WISPA] High Power RF close-proximity on tower question

2010-12-20 Thread Bret Clark
On 12/20/2010 1:30 PM, Scott Carullo wrote: Ok, I've dealt with up to about 20KW on FM transmitter 20 feet away and dealt with it decently. Now I'm told one of our installs of gear on a tower is about to get a 100KW 20ft above my gear and a TV antenna 20ft below it at 700KW channel 39

Re: [WISPA] High Power RF close-proximity on tower question

2010-12-20 Thread Jack Unger
There is QUITE a difference between a separation distance of 20 ft and a separation distance of 100 yards. Remember the inverse-square law - RF intensity decreases as the SQUARE of the separation distance. 100 yards is 300 feet and 20 feet goes into 300 feet 15 times so the RF intensity at

Re: [WISPA] High Power RF close-proximity on tower question

2010-12-20 Thread Bret Clark
True...good advice. On 12/20/2010 05:56 PM, Jack Unger wrote: There is QUITE a difference between a separation distance of 20 ft and a separation distance of 100 yards. Remember the inverse-square law - RF intensity decreases as the SQUARE of the separation distance. 100 yards is 300 feet

[WISPA] FCC to Vote on Internet Regulation Plan

2010-12-20 Thread Cliff LeBoeuf
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Re: [WISPA] High Power RF close-proximity on tower question

2010-12-20 Thread Leon D. Zetekoff
On 12/20/2010 05:56 PM, Jack Unger wrote: There is QUITE a difference between a separation distance of 20 ft and a separation distance of 100 yards. Remember the inverse-square law - RF intensity decreases as the SQUARE of the separation distance. 100 yards is 300 feet and 20 feet goes

Re: [WISPA] High Power RF close-proximity on tower question

2010-12-20 Thread Jeremie Chism
I have an fm antenna (low power) on the tower where I am at at about 35 feet above me and I have a CPE on an FM backup antenna with no problems. This is Axxcelera 3.65 wimax. Shielded cable with good grounds. No need for ferrite beads so far. Sent from my iPhone4 On Dec 20, 2010, at 5:31 PM,

Re: [WISPA] High Power RF close-proximity on tower question

2010-12-20 Thread Bob Moldashel
Filtering is pretty moot when you consider they are in plastic housings with no significant shielding :-) -B- On 12/20/2010 6:31 PM, Leon D. Zetekoff wrote: On 12/20/2010 05:56 PM, Jack Unger wrote: There is QUITE a difference between a separation distance of 20 ft and a separation

Re: [WISPA] Flexible rules promised for wireless

2010-12-20 Thread MDK
No, we LOST. You see, once they have the power, they have the power.It is not a victory to be partially regulated, or to get partial exemption. I cannot imagine why industry is rolling over and playing dead for this. As far as I'm concerned it's come and arrest me, coppers and I will

Re: [WISPA] Flexible rules promised for wireless

2010-12-20 Thread Jeromie Reeves
While I do agree with the idea that we need less regulation of (fixed) wireless and a lower barrier to entry for cellular wireless, I would like to knwo what parts of this particular proposal you have a issue with. I, personally, would love to see the layer 1 and layer 2+ be forcably broken apart

Re: [WISPA] Flexible rules promised for wireless

2010-12-20 Thread St. Louis Broadband
Yes it is! Victoria Proffer - President/CEO www.ShowMeBroadband.com www.StLouisBroadband.com 314-974-5600 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Joe Fiero Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 4:12 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA]

Re: [WISPA] Flexible rules promised for wireless

2010-12-20 Thread Joe Fiero
Of course I agree that no regulation would be preferable, but when you see the train coming and you know you can't stop it, you are glad to find that you can lie between the tracks and let it pass over you. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf

Re: [WISPA] High Power RF close-proximity on tower question

2010-12-20 Thread Scott Carullo
Yeah, external filters are not an option for me. They are going to work or... The Trango and Radwin equipment may have a chance. I'm not really giving the UBNT stuff a chance at all. Am I being too pessimistic? Its the ethernet I've had the most problems with in the past, not the radios

Re: [WISPA] Flexible rules promised for wireless

2010-12-20 Thread MDK
I am opposed to ALL aspects, period. Nothing is broken such that it needs the atomic bomb of government to fix it. This is a fix in desperate search of a broken and the closest thing to a broken they can find is a hypothetical that isn't a disaster in the first place.

Re: [WISPA] Internet Backbone

2010-12-20 Thread Tom DeReggi
Tier1 providers between cities... 40-80GB. Once long haul dark fiber is purchased, why limit it, when the tier1 can just put in the biggest optical router offered. The larger reseller blended transit providers serving colos typically are buying 10GB connections, and breaking them up.. Tom

Re: [WISPA] Flexible rules promised for wireless

2010-12-20 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
'Dude'... get a grip.. get out of this business, get some sanity into your life... this kind of stress is not good... Just imagine how Alexander Graham Bell felt when the Gov. decided to regulate the Phone Company ! Fact of life... when a service starts to become a crucial / critical for

Re: [WISPA] Flexible rules promised for wireless

2010-12-20 Thread Fred Goldstein
At 12/20/2010 07:30 PM, MDK wrote: No, we LOST. You see, once they have the power, they have the power.It is not a victory to be partially regulated, or to get partial exemption. I cannot imagine why industry is rolling over and playing dead for this. As far as I'm concerned it's come

Re: [WISPA] Flexible rules promised for wireless

2010-12-20 Thread Fred Goldstein
At 12/20/2010 07:56 PM, Jeromie wrote: While I do agree with the idea that we need less regulation of (fixed) wireless and a lower barrier to entry for cellular wireless, I would like to knwo what parts of this particular proposal you have a issue with. I, personally, would love to see the layer 1

Re: [WISPA] Flexible rules promised for wireless

2010-12-20 Thread Fred Goldstein
At 12/20/2010 08:36 PM, MDK wrote: I am opposed to ALL aspects, period. Nothing is broken such that it needs the atomic bomb of government to fix it. This is a fix in desperate search of a broken and the closest thing to a broken they can find is a hypothetical that isn't a disaster in the

Re: [WISPA] Internet Backbone

2010-12-20 Thread Mike Hammett
Multiple 10 Gig. Cogent has no less than 8 of them everywhere. Some carriers, some routes, I'd say no less than 150 Gig. Some have multiple 40 gig channels. Within a year, it'll be multiple 100Gig. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 12/20/2010

Re: [WISPA] Flexible rules promised for wireless

2010-12-20 Thread Mike Hammett
I'd have to agree with Mark. Its my network, my money. Get the hell out. When I accept government money or protections, sure, tell me what to do. Otherwise... - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 12/20/2010 8:27 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: 'Dude'...

Re: [WISPA] Flexible rules promised for wireless

2010-12-20 Thread RickG
Faisal, with all due respect, (and you know I do) - Mark is right. We are not phone companys. We are PRIVATE, independent companys with volunteer subscribers. Are you saying we have already lost? The fact that we are even having to have this conversation in the land of the free is sad. BTW: I dont

Re: [WISPA] Flexible rules promised for wireless

2010-12-20 Thread Charles N Wyble
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/20/2010 06:52 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote: At 12/20/2010 07:56 PM, Jeromie wrote: While I do agree with the idea that we need less regulation of (fixed) wireless and a lower barrier to entry for cellular wireless, I would like to knwo what

Re: [WISPA] Flexible rules promised for wireless

2010-12-20 Thread Charles N Wyble
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/20/2010 04:56 PM, Jeromie Reeves wrote: While I do agree with the idea that we need less regulation of (fixed) wireless and a lower barrier to entry for cellular wireless, I would like to knwo what parts of this particular proposal you have a

Re: [WISPA] Flexible rules promised for wireless

2010-12-20 Thread RickG
Charles, I know that you are aware of this but it's worth repeating - there is a huge difference between regulated telephone companys and unregulated ISP's. As I'm sure you are also well aware of - the phone cos get lots of subsidy money, ISP's dont. So why compare them? On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at