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where we deployed 4 5Ghz ePMP sectors. We use a right angle to make sure
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Just got a email from UBNT
AF24HD announced, similar to AF24, bigger Rx dish (40db) 256 qam 1 Gbps Fdx
http://www.ubnt.com/airfiber/airfiber24/
No pricing or availability info, Ben?
Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr
Hi Gino -
Initial shipments are in transit to distributors so units will be received
in early to mid January.
MSRP is $6k/link.
Thanks,
Ben
On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 11:45 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote:
Just got a email from UBNT
AF24HD announced, similar to AF24, bigger Rx
Dang! 2x price for 250 mbps more, ouch!
Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr
From: ben.mo...@ubnt.commailto:ben.mo...@ubnt.com
ben.mo...@ubnt.commailto:ben.mo...@ubnt.com
Reply-To: WISPA General List
That was my initial thought =(
On 12/17/14, 1:52 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
Dang! 2x price for 250 mbps more, ouch!
Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr
From: ben.mo...@ubnt.com mailto:ben.mo...@ubnt.com
ben.mo...@ubnt.com
500Mbps technically :)
On December 17, 2014 9:52:55 AM AKST, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote:
Dang! 2x price for 250 mbps more, ouch!
Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr
From: ben.mo...@ubnt.commailto:ben.mo...@ubnt.com
and 50% more range...
On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 11:54 AM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote:
500Mbps technically :)
On December 17, 2014 9:52:55 AM AKST, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com
wrote:
Dang! 2x price for 250 mbps more, ouch!
Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet
I measure fdx stuff on fdx capacity…
Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr
From: Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.commailto:j...@spitwspots.com
Date: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 at 2:54 PM
To: WISPA General List
Here is my issue the af24 wouldnt work for me since I live in the Midwest and
we get rain etc... it would only work about an mile or so not 8 mile shots when
can you guys get an working 24Ghz airfiber to work in these types of weather
climates?
Tim
-Original Message-
From: Ben Moore
Working great at six miles here in Alaska.
On December 17, 2014 9:58:58 AM AKST, Tim Reichhart
timreichh...@hometowncable.net wrote:
Here is my issue the af24 wouldnt work for me since I live in the
Midwest and we get rain etc... it would only work about an mile or so
not 8 mile shots when can
Josh
but is it snowing all the time? if so what kind of speeds are you getting out
of them.
Tim
-Original Message-
From: Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Date: 12/17/14 02:00 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] AF24 HD Annouced
Working great at six miles
Working great at 3 miles here in PA.
On 12/17/14, 1:59 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
Working great at six miles here in Alaska.
On December 17, 2014 9:58:58 AM AKST, Tim Reichhart
timreichh...@hometowncable.net wrote:
Here is my issue the af24 wouldnt work for me since I live in the
for that cost I'll stay with my exalt G2's.
On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 12:48 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote:
Hi Gino -
Initial shipments are in transit to distributors so units will be received
in early to mid January.
MSRP is $6k/link.
Thanks,
Ben
On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 11:45
When it's Cold snow is dry Rain, fog, drizzle or snow at or above
0C is a different game.
On 17/12/2014 2:02 PM, Tim Reichhart wrote:
Josh
but is it snowing all the time? if so what kind of speeds are you
getting out of them.
Tim
in the rain? my 2.7 miles link drops in anything but a drizzle.
On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 1:03 PM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com
wrote:
Working great at 3 miles here in PA.
On 12/17/14, 1:59 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
Working great at six miles here in Alaska.
On December 17, 2014
I think its out of market… $4k would be more reasonable
$6k is in the licensed band range
Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr
From: ben.mo...@ubnt.commailto:ben.mo...@ubnt.com
ben.mo...@ubnt.commailto:ben.mo...@ubnt.com
Date: Wednesday,
Here is one of the first units deployed:
http://community.ubnt.com/t5/airFiber-Stories/AF24HD/cns-p/1131208
On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 11:59 AM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote:
Working great at six miles here in Alaska.
On December 17, 2014 9:58:58 AM AKST, Tim Reichhart
Uh ya exactly. Everyone is skipping over the BIGGER DISH!!!
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 1:56 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote:
and 50% more range...
On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 11:54 AM, Josh
256qam and cat5 SNR pinout, very slick
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 2:13 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote:
Here is one of the first units deployed:
We have quite a few links, depends on which one. Many shoot over the ocean a
few miles. Alaska weather plus bay fog.
Look at your ITU rain zone and do the math.
On December 17, 2014 10:02:35 AM AKST, Tim Reichhart
timreichh...@hometowncable.net wrote:
Josh
but is it snowing all the time? if so
The bigger dish is the most exciting thing about it, as far as I'm concerned...
more so to help keep the modulation up on short links than to extend range. I
still can't see using one of these on more than about a 4 mile link.
The price is a bit of a shock though... although it's still going to
It takes a pretty hard rain before our 3.2 mile link fails over to the backup
Mikrotik link. It usually takes .3/hr to drop it out. Light rain doesn't
affect it as much as I expected. Overall, I'm well pleased with it for the
price.
I agree with Gino. $6K is a no brainer for me to
Well what kind of speeds do you get in your unlicensed link. They're
usually 400 megs tops - this is double that. If they're both 256qam it
just comes down to which channel is bigger (100 MHz wide in 24 GHz in this
case). Once licensed radios all start doing 80 MHz it's a different story.
The rains that have knocked ours our were 1 per hour. (certainly no less
then .5/hr)
On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 1:26 PM, Jim Patient jpati...@linktechs.net wrote:
It takes a pretty hard rain before our 3.2 mile link fails over to the
backup Mikrotik link. It usually takes .3/hr to drop it out.
on the 6K price, I agree with the licensed link comments and we are just
about to pull that trigger and this does NOT compete with a licensed
link at that price...
On 12/17/2014 11:13 AM, Ben Moore wrote:
Here is one of the first units deployed:
There will be plenty of low cost options for 1 gbps links under 1 mile, expect
wigig chips on 60 ghz products soon
Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr
From: Mathew Howard mat...@litewire.netmailto:mat...@litewire.net
Reply-To: WISPA
How are you guys measuring/finding the inch per hour rainfall?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 2:31 PM, Adair Winter ada...@amarillowireless.net
wrote:
The rains that have knocked ours our were 1 per hour.
SWAG. In skywarn training we were always told that if you cant see past the
hood of your car, that's 1 per hour or more.
On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 1:32 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
wrote:
How are you guys measuring/finding the inch per hour rainfall?
Josh Luthman
Office:
http://proweatherstation.com/Products/products.htm
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 1:33 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] AF24 HD Annouced
How are you guys
Wait... why are you driving if you can't see past the hood of your car?
;-)
On 12/17/14, 2:34 PM, Adair Winter wrote:
SWAG. In skywarn training we were always told that if you cant see past
the hood of your car, that's 1 per hour or more.
On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 1:32 PM, Josh Luthman
Under 1 mile, yeah there are options in the same price range, but for 1-2
miles, not so much.
for longer links, you're not likely to be holding full modulation anyway, so
licensed is going to make more sense to me to just go licensed there.
From:
True throughput and longer range, plus a metal dish means real money.
Daniel
Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote ..
Dang! 2x price for 250 mbps more, ouch!
Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr
From:
Because it's fun? :P
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [wireless-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of Matt
Hoppes [mhop...@indigowireless.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 1:35 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] AF24 HD Annouced
Wait... why
When I googled the rainiest places in the US, it doesn't show Alaska, But I
laugh at the places they do show and how little of rain they get compared
to us. Mine actually works better in snow.
I use Airfiber without issues. Align you link correctly and don't push the
limits and you should be
Not in FL. Too many geriactrics + WAY too much excitement in torrential rain.
Bad enough they don't turn on their lights.
Patrick Leary
M 727.501.3735
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf
Of Mathew Howard
Sent:
Chris you guys get tons of rain down in Juneau. Us, not so much. Chicago gets
like double the rain we get.
On December 17, 2014 10:40:09 AM AKST, Chris Ruschmann ch...@scsalaska.net
wrote:
When I googled the rainiest places in the US, it doesn't show Alaska,
But I
laugh at the places they do
Have you noticed your signal levels IMPROVE when it's snowing? I have,
and can't explain that..
On 12/17/14, 2:40 PM, Chris Ruschmann wrote:
When I googled the rainiest places in the US, it doesn't show Alaska,
But I laugh at the places they do show and how little of rain they get
compared to
Impressive, almost a 10mi link in Denver, CO.
Regards,
Chuck
On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 2:13 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote:
Here is one of the first units deployed:
http://community.ubnt.com/t5/airFiber-Stories/AF24HD/cns-p/1131208
On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 11:59 AM, Josh Reynolds
Still no SFPs.
Would have liked to see higher QAM.
Would have liked to see 1 GB interface.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Can I put two side by side and get twice the bandwidth for twice the price?
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
From: Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, December
It'll work at 2 miles in Chicago. It'll still drop, but rare. Maybe it'll stay
up with this 2 dB additional gain?
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
From: Tim Reichhart timreichh...@hometowncable.net
To: WISPA
*nods* faster than similarly priced licensed gear, but does go further.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com
To: Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com, WISPA General List
By 2 dB
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 1:12:51 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] AF24 HD
ITU rain rate isn't reliable, at least not here. Storms are much more intense,
so it goes down deeper (or down completely).
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
From: Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com
To: WISPA General
Your AF dropped...
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
From: Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 1:35:27 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] AF24 HD
Looking for a good router with 4 topi ports , mainly for offices
Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr
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You would think they could've put an SFP port in there for that price...
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [wireless-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of Mike
Hammett [wispawirel...@ics-il.net]
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 1:59 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject:
Or take you out to dinner before they...
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
From: Mathew Howard mat...@litewire.net
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 2:17:36 PM
Subject:
@LTEwatch: Confirmed: T-Mobile to launch unlicensed LTE at 5 GHz, possibly
next year http://t.co/GyPo5iFt1y
Original Messagehttps://twitter.com/LTEwatch/status/545341191085359104
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Like I've been telling folks, LTE will steam roll. So much for the LTE can't
deal with unlicensed. Anyone want to bet against the billions being thrown
into LTE for RD and the top scientific minds using those funds? I expect they
will easily overcome (to the extent needed) what some WISPs
Well you're betting on a company that's not doing hot against Verizon and
ATT =P
When they start competing against me I'll pay attention. Since I'm
confident they're not able to make money in rural areas like Clear or Open
Range couldn't, I doubt third time is a charm.
Josh Luthman
Office:
I'm not betting on a company at all. I'm betting on an industry. No one vendor
is doing the LTE RD. There's more RD being invested in LTE ecosystem wide
than any other telecom technology in history I suspect.
Patrick Leary
M 727.501.3735
5 years ago, how did it look with Wimax and LTE?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 6:20 PM, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com
wrote:
I'm not betting on a company at all. I'm betting on an industry. No
I agree re the rural. Open Range though is a bad example. They were a crap
organization from the get go, building solely to turn a buck. It was always to
BS story to those of us with half a brain.
Patrick Leary
M 727.501.3735
[cid:image001.png@01D01A26.02262C80]http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet
Not sure I understand the question in the sense WiMAX does not belong in the
discussion. WiMAX was always at best a nichey thing, embraced by almost no
large operator, save for a variety of small country fixed operators, not a
global standard operating across most bands and universally accepted
The new logo and the new positioning cost money.
That said, if they want to 'go pro' and chase the higher end of the market, it
IS time that they provide true specifications rather than very best case
scenario 'two-way traffic' numbers as being the transfer speeds. If I showed
that to an
If it is the same as with us, it is because the air has *less* moisture in it
overall. Most of our links are within sight of water.
For a snowflake to form you need six water molecules - that is what gives the
shape to each snowflake - and they continue to form as they go. On a really
crisp,
By Nokia
http://networks.nokia.com/ru/file/34596/lte-for-unlicensed-spectrum?download
Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr
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Dear WISPs,
We are looking to hire a full-time network engineer based in Los Angeles or
San Francisco to do wired WiFi deployments at our client events. If any
of you can make a referral to a talented person based in either location,
or someone who would like to move, we would be very
5 years ago it was WiMAX vs LTE. Didn't people say the same thing you are
now about WiMAX?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 17, 2014 7:06 PM, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote:
Not sure I understand the question
The next idea is always a better one.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 7:08:04 PM
No, not unless they were idiots. You never heard it from me. LTE won. Game
over. Some of us expected it. , that awareness said nothing about the solution
qualitatively. It was always a fine solution; it is just the business model was
too blissfully utopian.
Are you really trying to debate the
Really, Guys, you are sounding like silly kids. Remind about it being just like
WiMAX as you pull that LTE phone out of your pocket.
Patrick Leary
M 727.501.3735
[cid:image001.png@01D01A36.4AD8C220]http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
But at the time it was WiMAX is taking over the world because it was a standard
and there were tons of people showing up. Yes, I did have a WiMAX phone and it
was pretty awesome where they built coverage.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
-
Wimax was supposed to steam roll 802.11 in capacity and capability and now
it's pretty much gone in 2014. You're saying LTE will steam roll 802.11
nowadays...seems kinda parallel to me.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Wed, Dec
Well Wimax vs LTE I think was won when Verizon decided on it.
It's like Bluray vs HDDVD - porn chose Bluray. Or Beta vs VHS - porn chose
VHS.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 8:18 PM, Patrick Leary
If porn chooses WiMAX will it come back?
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 7:37:06 PM
Uhm not sure that's the industry that would sway something like that...
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 17, 2014 8:39 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote:
If porn chooses WiMAX will it come back?
-
Mike
Well it's the invisible 800 lb gorilla for the rest of the tech in the
Internet...
On 12/17/14 5:45 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Uhm not sure that's the industry that would sway something like that...
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
The only wimax phones that existed were a few phones on sprint where
clearwire had built out coverage. No other national carrier had wimax and
it was never fully adopted. Now every national carrier and many regional
ones have LTE networks and have committed to that standard. This is
worldwide as
That's not what I said. Not remotely. I said LTE will dominate outdoor at range
like Wi-Fi dominates the WLAN.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
On Dec 17, 2014 8:36 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
Wimax was supposed to steam roll 802.11 in capacity and capability
The GSM carriers chose HSDPA for a while until that didn't really pan out.
Verizon was the first to LTE, but the last to 4G, IIRC.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
From: Darin Steffl darin.ste...@mnwifi.com
To:
At the air interface there is not much difference between WiMAX and LTE, and
WiMAX had better characteristics for power consumption and other 'greenfield'
factors, but LTE was the pathway for GSM operators, so almost all of the mobile
operators in Europe committed to it, and the Verizon
+1
Darin Steffl darin.ste...@mnwifi.com wrote ..
The only wimax phones that existed were a few phones on sprint where
clearwire had built out coverage. No other national carrier had wimax and
it was never fully adopted. Now every national carrier and many regional
ones have LTE networks and
Lol Ubnt LTE :)
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 17, 2014 10:25 PM, daniel.mul...@metrocom.ca wrote:
At the air interface there is not much difference between WiMAX and LTE,
and WiMAX had better characteristics for power
Well said
On December 17, 2014 3:09:52 PM AKST, daniel.mul...@metrocom.ca wrote:
The new logo and the new positioning cost money.
That said, if they want to 'go pro' and chase the higher end of the
market, it IS time that they provide true specifications rather than
very best case scenario
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