Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle

[Stacie Skinner via Wireless]

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> If someone has a contact for Crown Castle would you share it with me
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Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle

[Robert West]

Yikes!  Crown Castle strikes again!!  I gave up upon first read of the app.



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Behalf Of can...@believewireless.net
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 10:57 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Crown Castle

We are looking to get on a Crown Castle tower and =in their credit app they
want
to run personal credit and have a personal guarantee.  Has anyone not
signed the
personal guarantee?




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Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle

[Blake Bowers]

LOL!!!


Never, never never sign a personal guarantee.

Even ATC does not require that.
Don't take your organs to heaven,
heaven knows we need them down here!
Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.

- Original Message - 
From: can...@believewireless.net p...@believewireless.net
To: wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 9:57 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Crown Castle


 We are looking to get on a Crown Castle tower and =in their credit app 
 they want
 to run personal credit and have a personal guarantee.  Has anyone not
 signed the
 personal guarantee?


 
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Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle

[Josh Luthman]

What I suggest is if you do need to sign a personal guarantee, do it very
very sparingly.  If you have a personal guarantee, though, keep it at the
top of the getting paid list - especially when SHTF.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources.
--- Albert Einstein


On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 10:04 AM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote:

 LOL!!!


 Never, never never sign a personal guarantee.

 Even ATC does not require that.
 Don't take your organs to heaven,
 heaven knows we need them down here!
 Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.

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 From: can...@believewireless.net p...@believewireless.net
 To: wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 9:57 PM
 Subject: [WISPA] Crown Castle


  We are looking to get on a Crown Castle tower and =in their credit app
  they want
  to run personal credit and have a personal guarantee.  Has anyone not
  signed the
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Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle

[Ryan Spott]

Who signs the personal guarantee for Clearwire?

ryan

On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 7:26 AM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:

 What I suggest is if you do need to sign a personal guarantee, do it very
 very sparingly.  If you have a personal guarantee, though, keep it at the
 top of the getting paid list - especially when SHTF.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources.
 --- Albert Einstein


 On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 10:04 AM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com
 wrote:

  LOL!!!
 
 
  Never, never never sign a personal guarantee.
 
  Even ATC does not require that.
  Don't take your organs to heaven,
  heaven knows we need them down here!
  Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.
 
  - Original Message -
  From: can...@believewireless.net p...@believewireless.net
  To: wireless@wispa.org
  Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 9:57 PM
  Subject: [WISPA] Crown Castle
 
 
   We are looking to get on a Crown Castle tower and =in their credit app
   they want
   to run personal credit and have a personal guarantee.  Has anyone not
   signed the
   personal guarantee?
  
  
  
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle

[fwatts]

My attorney has always told me not to sign a personal guarantee.  If you are 
a corporation and you sign a personal guarantee it creates a way for some 
one  to say you are no longer acting as a corporation but as a person and 
makes it easier for you to be held personaly responsible for other things 
having nothing to do with what you signed the guarantee in the first place.

Frank
Brightlan LLC
- Original Message - 
From: Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle


 Who signs the personal guarantee for Clearwire?

 ryan

 On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 7:26 AM, Josh Luthman
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:

 What I suggest is if you do need to sign a personal guarantee, do it very
 very sparingly.  If you have a personal guarantee, though, keep it at the
 top of the getting paid list - especially when SHTF.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources.
 --- Albert Einstein


 On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 10:04 AM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com
 wrote:

  LOL!!!
 
 
  Never, never never sign a personal guarantee.
 
  Even ATC does not require that.
  Don't take your organs to heaven,
  heaven knows we need them down here!
  Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.
 
  - Original Message -
  From: can...@believewireless.net p...@believewireless.net
  To: wireless@wispa.org
  Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 9:57 PM
  Subject: [WISPA] Crown Castle
 
 
   We are looking to get on a Crown Castle tower and =in their credit 
   app
   they want
   to run personal credit and have a personal guarantee.  Has anyone not
   signed the
   personal guarantee?
  
  
  
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle

[Steve Barnes]

That is correct you do not want to sign a personal guarantee.  That breaks the 
corporation shell and you can then be held personally liable for a any part of 
the business.

Steve Barnes
RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service

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trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition 
inspired, and success achieved.
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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of fwatts
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 11:07 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle

My attorney has always told me not to sign a personal guarantee.  If you are 
a corporation and you sign a personal guarantee it creates a way for some 
one  to say you are no longer acting as a corporation but as a person and 
makes it easier for you to be held personaly responsible for other things 
having nothing to do with what you signed the guarantee in the first place.

Frank
Brightlan LLC
- Original Message - 
From: Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle


 Who signs the personal guarantee for Clearwire?

 ryan

 On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 7:26 AM, Josh Luthman
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:

 What I suggest is if you do need to sign a personal guarantee, do it very
 very sparingly.  If you have a personal guarantee, though, keep it at the
 top of the getting paid list - especially when SHTF.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources.
 --- Albert Einstein


 On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 10:04 AM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com
 wrote:

  LOL!!!
 
 
  Never, never never sign a personal guarantee.
 
  Even ATC does not require that.
  Don't take your organs to heaven,
  heaven knows we need them down here!
  Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.
 
  - Original Message -
  From: can...@believewireless.net p...@believewireless.net
  To: wireless@wispa.org
  Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 9:57 PM
  Subject: [WISPA] Crown Castle
 
 
   We are looking to get on a Crown Castle tower and =in their credit 
   app
   they want
   to run personal credit and have a personal guarantee.  Has anyone not
   signed the
   personal guarantee?
  
  
  
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle

[Travis Johnson]

That's not true. Corporate officers are required to sign personal
guarantees for things all the time. Corporate officers of $10M
companies.

Would I sign one for a tower rental, no way. Would I sign one to get a
$1M line of credit at a bank at 1% APR... yes.

Travis
Microserv

Steve Barnes wrote:

  That is correct you do not want to sign a personal guarantee.  That breaks the corporation shell and you can then be held personally liable for a any part of the business.

Steve Barnes
RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service

Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved.
- Helen Keller

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of fwatts
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 11:07 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle

My attorney has always told me not to sign a personal guarantee.  If you are 
a corporation and you sign a personal guarantee it creates a way for some 
one  to say you are no longer acting as a corporation but as a person and 
makes it easier for you to be held personaly responsible for other things 
having nothing to do with what you signed the guarantee in the first place.

Frank
Brightlan LLC
- Original Message - 
From: "Ryan Spott" rsp...@cspott.com
To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle


  
  
Who signs the personal guarantee for Clearwire?

ryan

On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 7:26 AM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:



  What I suggest is if you do need to sign a personal guarantee, do it very
very sparingly.  If you have a personal guarantee, though, keep it at the
top of the getting paid list - especially when SHTF.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

"The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources."
--- Albert Einstein


On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 10:04 AM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com
wrote:

  
  
LOL!!!


Never, never never sign a personal guarantee.

Even ATC does not require that.
Don't take your organs to heaven,
heaven knows we need them down here!
Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.

- Original Message -
From: "can...@believewireless.net" p...@believewireless.net
To: wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 9:57 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Crown Castle




  We are looking to get on a Crown Castle tower and =in their credit 
app
they want
to run personal credit and have a personal guarantee.  Has anyone not
signed the
personal guarantee?



  

  
  
  
  

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Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle

[Josh Luthman]

My lawyer said the same thing as Travis.

The way the policy reads, from my understanding, is if you start using
company funds to buy your house, car, groceries, beer, movie rentals, TVs,
video games, etc.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources.
--- Albert Einstein


On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 11:45 AM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote:

  That's not true. Corporate officers are required to sign personal
 guarantees for things all the time. Corporate officers of $10M companies.

 Would I sign one for a tower rental, no way. Would I sign one to get a $1M
 line of credit at a bank at 1% APR... yes.

 Travis
 Microserv


 Steve Barnes wrote:

 That is correct you do not want to sign a personal guarantee.  That breaks 
 the corporation shell and you can then be held personally liable for a any 
 part of the business.

 Steve Barnes
 RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service

 Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of 
 trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition 
 inspired, and success achieved.
 - Helen Keller

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
 wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of fwatts
 Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 11:07 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle

 My attorney has always told me not to sign a personal guarantee.  If you are
 a corporation and you sign a personal guarantee it creates a way for some
 one  to say you are no longer acting as a corporation but as a person and
 makes it easier for you to be held personaly responsible for other things
 having nothing to do with what you signed the guarantee in the first place.

 Frank
 Brightlan LLC
 - Original Message -
 From: Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com rsp...@cspott.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 10:39 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle




  Who signs the personal guarantee for Clearwire?

 ryan

 On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 7:26 AM, Josh Luthmanj...@imaginenetworksllc.com 
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:



  What I suggest is if you do need to sign a personal guarantee, do it very
 very sparingly.  If you have a personal guarantee, though, keep it at the
 top of the getting paid list - especially when SHTF.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources.
 --- Albert Einstein


 On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 10:04 AM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com 
 bbow...@mozarks.com
 wrote:



  LOL!!!


 Never, never never sign a personal guarantee.

 Even ATC does not require that.
 Don't take your organs to heaven,
 heaven knows we need them down here!
 Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.

 - Original Message -
 From: can...@believewireless.net can...@believewireless.net 
 p...@believewireless.net p...@believewireless.net
 To: wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 9:57 PM
 Subject: [WISPA] Crown Castle




  We are looking to get on a Crown Castle tower and =in their credit
 app
 they want
 to run personal credit and have a personal guarantee.  Has anyone not
 signed the
 personal guarantee?





  
 


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Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle

[Curtis Maurand]

I agree.  If your company goes belly up, they can come after your 
personal assets if your corp has any liabilities towards them.

--Curtis

fwatts wrote:
 My attorney has always told me not to sign a personal guarantee.  If you are 
 a corporation and you sign a personal guarantee it creates a way for some 
 one  to say you are no longer acting as a corporation but as a person and 
 makes it easier for you to be held personaly responsible for other things 
 having nothing to do with what you signed the guarantee in the first place.

 Frank
 Brightlan LLC
 - Original Message - 
 From: Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 10:39 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle


   
 Who signs the personal guarantee for Clearwire?

 ryan

 On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 7:26 AM, Josh Luthman
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:

 
 What I suggest is if you do need to sign a personal guarantee, do it very
 very sparingly.  If you have a personal guarantee, though, keep it at the
 top of the getting paid list - especially when SHTF.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources.
 --- Albert Einstein


 On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 10:04 AM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com
 wrote:

   
 LOL!!!


 Never, never never sign a personal guarantee.

 Even ATC does not require that.
 Don't take your organs to heaven,
 heaven knows we need them down here!
 Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.

 - Original Message -
 From: can...@believewireless.net p...@believewireless.net
 To: wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 9:57 PM
 Subject: [WISPA] Crown Castle


 
 We are looking to get on a Crown Castle tower and =in their credit 
 app
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Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle

[rwf]

True-
Also knows an piercing the corporate veil.
Had to look a long time to find a credit card processor to handle our
Authorize.net transactions who did not require that.

Ralph

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Steve Barnes
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 11:19 AM
To: fwatts; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle

That is correct you do not want to sign a personal guarantee.  That breaks
the corporation shell and you can then be held personally liable for a any
part of the business.

Steve Barnes
RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service

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trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition
inspired, and success achieved.
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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of fwatts
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 11:07 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle

My attorney has always told me not to sign a personal guarantee.  If you are

a corporation and you sign a personal guarantee it creates a way for some 
one  to say you are no longer acting as a corporation but as a person and 
makes it easier for you to be held personaly responsible for other things 
having nothing to do with what you signed the guarantee in the first place.

Frank
Brightlan LLC
- Original Message - 
From: Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle


 Who signs the personal guarantee for Clearwire?

 ryan

 On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 7:26 AM, Josh Luthman
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:

 What I suggest is if you do need to sign a personal guarantee, do it very
 very sparingly.  If you have a personal guarantee, though, keep it at the
 top of the getting paid list - especially when SHTF.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources.
 --- Albert Einstein


 On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 10:04 AM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com
 wrote:

  LOL!!!
 
 
  Never, never never sign a personal guarantee.
 
  Even ATC does not require that.
  Don't take your organs to heaven,
  heaven knows we need them down here!
  Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.
 
  - Original Message -
  From: can...@believewireless.net p...@believewireless.net
  To: wireless@wispa.org
  Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 9:57 PM
  Subject: [WISPA] Crown Castle
 
 
   We are looking to get on a Crown Castle tower and =in their credit 
   app
   they want
   to run personal credit and have a personal guarantee.  Has anyone not
   signed the
   personal guarantee?
  
  
  
 



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Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle

[Travis Johnson]

There are MANY, MANY other ways to "pierce the corporate veil" than
signing a personal guarantee. It's interesting how many corporations
don't hold regular shareholder's meetings. That is often the easiest
way that people break the veil without a meeting, it appears the
corporation is acting as a partnership or sole proprietor, in which
case there is no corporation protection.

Regardless, actually breaking through the veil, etc. would only be
required if the company didn't pay the bills... in which case, the
company is probably bankrupt which means the person is probably without
any money either... so really, it's a moo point. (Yes, I meant moo.
Anyone watch Friends? :))

Travis
Microserv

rwf wrote:

  True-
Also knows an "piercing the corporate veil".
Had to look a long time to find a credit card processor to handle our
Authorize.net transactions who did not require that.

Ralph

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Steve Barnes
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 11:19 AM
To: fwatts; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle

That is correct you do not want to sign a personal guarantee.  That breaks
the corporation shell and you can then be held personally liable for a any
part of the business.

Steve Barnes
RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service

Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of
trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition
inspired, and success achieved.
- Helen Keller

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of fwatts
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 11:07 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle

My attorney has always told me not to sign a personal guarantee.  If you are

a corporation and you sign a personal guarantee it creates a way for some 
one  to say you are no longer acting as a corporation but as a person and 
makes it easier for you to be held personaly responsible for other things 
having nothing to do with what you signed the guarantee in the first place.

Frank
Brightlan LLC
- Original Message - 
From: "Ryan Spott" rsp...@cspott.com
To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle


  
  
Who signs the personal guarantee for Clearwire?

ryan

On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 7:26 AM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:



  What I suggest is if you do need to sign a personal guarantee, do it very
very sparingly.  If you have a personal guarantee, though, keep it at the
top of the getting paid list - especially when SHTF.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

"The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources."
--- Albert Einstein


On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 10:04 AM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com
wrote:

  
  
LOL!!!


Never, never never sign a personal guarantee.

Even ATC does not require that.
Don't take your organs to heaven,
heaven knows we need them down here!
Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.

- Original Message -
From: "can...@believewireless.net" p...@believewireless.net
To: wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 9:57 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Crown Castle




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app
they want
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Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle

[rwf]

And we should make sure to never, never do any of them.

Any  corporate lawyer will tell you that to be a corporation you have to
act like a corporation, which includes all the red tape and seemingly
silly stuff.

But signing personal guarantees is a much less obvious way of doing it too.

There are plenty of times that the company is bankrupt but the former
principals still have their money and that is the reason you don't want to
do this.

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 1:29 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle

 

There are MANY, MANY other ways to pierce the corporate veil than signing
a personal guarantee. It's interesting how many corporations don't hold
regular shareholder's meetings. That is often the easiest way that people
break the veil without a meeting, it appears the corporation is acting
as a partnership or sole proprietor, in which case there is no corporation
protection.

Regardless, actually breaking through the veil, etc. would only be required
if the company didn't pay the bills... in which case, the company is
probably bankrupt which means the person is probably without any money
either... so really, it's a moo point. (Yes, I meant moo. Anyone watch
Friends? :))

Travis
Microserv

rwf wrote: 

True-
Also knows an piercing the corporate veil.
Had to look a long time to find a credit card processor to handle our
Authorize.net transactions who did not require that.
 
Ralph
 
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Steve Barnes
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 11:19 AM
To: fwatts; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle
 
That is correct you do not want to sign a personal guarantee.  That breaks
the corporation shell and you can then be held personally liable for a any
part of the business.
 
Steve Barnes
RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
 
Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of
trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition
inspired, and success achieved.
- Helen Keller
 
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of fwatts
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 11:07 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle
 
My attorney has always told me not to sign a personal guarantee.  If you are
 
a corporation and you sign a personal guarantee it creates a way for some 
one  to say you are no longer acting as a corporation but as a person and 
makes it easier for you to be held personaly responsible for other things 
having nothing to do with what you signed the guarantee in the first place.
 
Frank
Brightlan LLC
- Original Message - 
From: Ryan Spott  mailto:rsp...@cspott.com rsp...@cspott.com
To: WISPA General List  mailto:wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle
 
 
  

Who signs the personal guarantee for Clearwire?
 
ryan
 
On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 7:26 AM, Josh Luthman
 mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:
 


What I suggest is if you do need to sign a personal guarantee, do it very
very sparingly.  If you have a personal guarantee, though, keep it at the
top of the getting paid list - especially when SHTF.
 
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
 
The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources.
--- Albert Einstein
 
 
On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 10:04 AM, Blake Bowers  mailto:bbow...@mozarks.com
bbow...@mozarks.com
wrote:
 
  

LOL!!!
 
 
Never, never never sign a personal guarantee.
 
Even ATC does not require that.
Don't take your organs to heaven,
heaven knows we need them down here!
Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.
 
- Original Message -
From:  mailto:can...@believewireless.net can...@believewireless.net
mailto:p...@believewireless.net p...@believewireless.net
To:  mailto:wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 9:57 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Crown Castle
 
 


We are looking to get on a Crown Castle tower and =in their credit 
app
they want
to run personal credit and have a personal guarantee.  Has anyone not
signed the
personal guarantee?
 
 
 
  



  

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Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle

[Blake Bowers]

If corporate officers of a 10 million dollar company sign a personal 
guarantee for the company, one
of two things are happening - the corp officer is an idiot, or they are in 
the toilet already.

Any attorney will tell you not to sign a personal guarantee.  I have only 
been asked once, I said
no, and they came back and said no problem.

I have a buddy who owns a tower company with a 44 million line of credit - 
no personal guarantees.

And keeping the corporate veil from being peirced is why we have attornies. 
Hand them the
corporate book, and pay them to keep it current.


Don't take your organs to heaven,
heaven knows we need them down here!
Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.

- Original Message - 
From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle


 That's not true. Corporate officers are required to sign personal 
 guarantees for things all the time. Corporate officers of $10M companies.

 Would I sign one for a tower rental, no way. Would I sign one to get a $1M 
 line of credit at a bank at 1% APR... yes.

 Travis
 Microserv

 Steve Barnes wrote:
 That is correct you do not want to sign a personal guarantee.  That breaks 
 the corporation shell and you can then be held personally liable for a any 
 part of the business.

 Steve Barnes
 RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service

 Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience 
 of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, 
 ambition inspired, and success achieved.
 - Helen Keller

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
 Behalf Of fwatts
 Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 11:07 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle

 My attorney has always told me not to sign a personal guarantee.  If you 
 are
 a corporation and you sign a personal guarantee it creates a way for some
 one  to say you are no longer acting as a corporation but as a person and
 makes it easier for you to be held personaly responsible for other things
 having nothing to do with what you signed the guarantee in the first 
 place.

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 Brightlan LLC




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Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle Tower Space Leasing

[Kevin Neal]

Last I looked, 3 sectors and 2 2' backhauls would be $1800/mo+.  For a
single sector and one backhaul it was still over $1000/mo.
-Kevin


On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 8:46 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote:

 Does anyone here lease space from Crown Castle?  I have a cell tower in an
 area I've been trying to find access in and this tower is in a good spot
 for
 us and our tier 1 provider has fiber running right across the road from it.


 Any idea what they charge and issues with them?  Looks to be a big company
 so I doubt they will lease cheaply.

 Thanks!

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Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle Tower Space Leasing

[Robert West]

That's just crazy money.  I can put up a used 160' tower for 2 grand plus a
500 buck permit here.  I decided to just look for some land.  With that kind
of money it just makes sense to own and not lease around here.  I have 3
towers in storage but have been hesitant to do much with them.  

Thanks for the response.



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Behalf Of Kevin Neal
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 10:59 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle Tower Space Leasing

Last I looked, 3 sectors and 2 2' backhauls would be $1800/mo+.  For a
single sector and one backhaul it was still over $1000/mo.
-Kevin


On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 8:46 AM, Robert West
robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote:

 Does anyone here lease space from Crown Castle?  I have a cell tower in an
 area I've been trying to find access in and this tower is in a good spot
 for
 us and our tier 1 provider has fiber running right across the road from
it.


 Any idea what they charge and issues with them?  Looks to be a big company
 so I doubt they will lease cheaply.

 Thanks!

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Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle Tower Space Leasing

[Randy Cosby]

I have found the leasing relatively cheap.  The expensive parts are the 
engineering studies, application fees, and the 
almost-impossible-to-afford insurance you'll need before putting 
anything on the tower.  FWIW, Crown Castle is offering a Wispa 
discount. They are waiving the site application fees for WISPA 
members (around $1000 per site IIRC).  Wispa sent out an ad 8/21 about 
it.  I'd copy it here, but it was all included in a bunch of  awful 
image files.

Randy


Robert West wrote:
 Does anyone here lease space from Crown Castle?  I have a cell tower in an
 area I've been trying to find access in and this tower is in a good spot for
 us and our tier 1 provider has fiber running right across the road from it.


 Any idea what they charge and issues with them?  Looks to be a big company
 so I doubt they will lease cheaply.

 Thanks!

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Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle Tower Space Leasing

[Robert West]

I need to hang a pac grid and a MT 411 board and run a cat5 line up to it.
Seems like an engineering study is way overkill!  :)



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Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 11:11 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle Tower Space Leasing

I have found the leasing relatively cheap.  The expensive parts are the 
engineering studies, application fees, and the 
almost-impossible-to-afford insurance you'll need before putting 
anything on the tower.  FWIW, Crown Castle is offering a Wispa 
discount. They are waiving the site application fees for WISPA 
members (around $1000 per site IIRC).  Wispa sent out an ad 8/21 about 
it.  I'd copy it here, but it was all included in a bunch of  awful 
image files.

Randy


Robert West wrote:
 Does anyone here lease space from Crown Castle?  I have a cell tower in an
 area I've been trying to find access in and this tower is in a good spot
for
 us and our tier 1 provider has fiber running right across the road from
it.


 Any idea what they charge and issues with them?  Looks to be a big company
 so I doubt they will lease cheaply.

 Thanks!

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Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle Tower Space Leasing

[Josh Luthman]

411, with an atheros card, won't pick up non-atheros noise.

Canopy SMs on the other hand will.  AWESOME spectrum analyzer tools.

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On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 11:21 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote:

 I need to hang a pac grid and a MT 411 board and run a cat5 line up to it.
 Seems like an engineering study is way overkill!  :)



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Randy Cosby
 Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 11:11 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle Tower Space Leasing

 I have found the leasing relatively cheap.  The expensive parts are the
 engineering studies, application fees, and the
 almost-impossible-to-afford insurance you'll need before putting
 anything on the tower.  FWIW, Crown Castle is offering a Wispa
 discount. They are waiving the site application fees for WISPA
 members (around $1000 per site IIRC).  Wispa sent out an ad 8/21 about
 it.  I'd copy it here, but it was all included in a bunch of  awful
 image files.

 Randy


 Robert West wrote:
  Does anyone here lease space from Crown Castle?  I have a cell tower in
 an
  area I've been trying to find access in and this tower is in a good spot
 for
  us and our tier 1 provider has fiber running right across the road from
 it.
 
 
  Any idea what they charge and issues with them?  Looks to be a big
 company
  so I doubt they will lease cheaply.
 
  Thanks!
 
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Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle Tower Space Leasing

[Randy Cosby]

Hah...

Just wait.

They will need to know exactly what brand of antenna, case, and even 
cat5e you are using.

Randy


Robert West wrote:
 I need to hang a pac grid and a MT 411 board and run a cat5 line up to it.
 Seems like an engineering study is way overkill!  :)



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Randy Cosby
 Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 11:11 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle Tower Space Leasing

 I have found the leasing relatively cheap.  The expensive parts are the 
 engineering studies, application fees, and the 
 almost-impossible-to-afford insurance you'll need before putting 
 anything on the tower.  FWIW, Crown Castle is offering a Wispa 
 discount. They are waiving the site application fees for WISPA 
 members (around $1000 per site IIRC).  Wispa sent out an ad 8/21 about 
 it.  I'd copy it here, but it was all included in a bunch of  awful 
 image files.

 Randy


 Robert West wrote:
   
 Does anyone here lease space from Crown Castle?  I have a cell tower in an
 area I've been trying to find access in and this tower is in a good spot
 
 for
   
 us and our tier 1 provider has fiber running right across the road from
 
 it.
   
 Any idea what they charge and issues with them?  Looks to be a big company
 so I doubt they will lease cheaply.

 Thanks!

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Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle Tower Space Leasing

[lakeland]

Add to that installation and maintenance. Crown requires you use approved 
contractors

Bob
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-Original Message-
From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com

Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 11:21:24 
To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle Tower Space Leasing


I need to hang a pac grid and a MT 411 board and run a cat5 line up to it.
Seems like an engineering study is way overkill!  :)



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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Randy Cosby
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 11:11 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle Tower Space Leasing

I have found the leasing relatively cheap.  The expensive parts are the 
engineering studies, application fees, and the 
almost-impossible-to-afford insurance you'll need before putting 
anything on the tower.  FWIW, Crown Castle is offering a Wispa 
discount. They are waiving the site application fees for WISPA 
members (around $1000 per site IIRC).  Wispa sent out an ad 8/21 about 
it.  I'd copy it here, but it was all included in a bunch of  awful 
image files.

Randy


Robert West wrote:
 Does anyone here lease space from Crown Castle?  I have a cell tower in an
 area I've been trying to find access in and this tower is in a good spot
for
 us and our tier 1 provider has fiber running right across the road from
it.


 Any idea what they charge and issues with them?  Looks to be a big company
 so I doubt they will lease cheaply.

 Thanks!

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Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle Tower Space Leasing

[Scott Reed]

Not too mention the fee for this and the fee for that and the feet 
dragging and the fee they tell you about while you are installing and 
the fact that your climbers have to certified by them and...

Never again will I lease from Crown.

Robert West wrote:
 That's just crazy money.  I can put up a used 160' tower for 2 grand plus a
 500 buck permit here.  I decided to just look for some land.  With that kind
 of money it just makes sense to own and not lease around here.  I have 3
 towers in storage but have been hesitant to do much with them.  

 Thanks for the response.



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 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Kevin Neal
 Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 10:59 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle Tower Space Leasing

 Last I looked, 3 sectors and 2 2' backhauls would be $1800/mo+.  For a
 single sector and one backhaul it was still over $1000/mo.
 -Kevin


 On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 8:46 AM, Robert West
 robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote:

   
 Does anyone here lease space from Crown Castle?  I have a cell tower in an
 area I've been trying to find access in and this tower is in a good spot
 for
 us and our tier 1 provider has fiber running right across the road from
 
 it.
   
 Any idea what they charge and issues with them?  Looks to be a big company
 so I doubt they will lease cheaply.

 Thanks!

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Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle Tower Space Leasing

[RickG]

Crown Castle is one of the worst companies (think ATT) I have ever
dealt with. They dont know their right hand from the left. Dont expect
anything to get done, especially billing.
-RickG

On 9/21/09, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote:
 Does anyone here lease space from Crown Castle?  I have a cell tower in an
 area I've been trying to find access in and this tower is in a good spot for
 us and our tier 1 provider has fiber running right across the road from it.


 Any idea what they charge and issues with them?  Looks to be a big company
 so I doubt they will lease cheaply.

 Thanks!

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Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle Tower Space Leasing

[Steve Barnes]

For everyone's info I have had a terrible experience with CrowneCastle as well. 
 However, you need to be aware that CrowneCastle is Now a Vendor Member Of 
WISPA as of a few weeks ago.  They were giving WISPA discounts at many levels.  
Look into this if you are interested in dealing with them. They have an account 
manager For WISPA Members.  This is another Benefit of being a WISPA member.

Steve Barnes
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of RickG
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 12:34 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle Tower Space Leasing

Crown Castle is one of the worst companies (think ATT) I have ever
dealt with. They dont know their right hand from the left. Dont expect
anything to get done, especially billing.
-RickG

On 9/21/09, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote:
 Does anyone here lease space from Crown Castle?  I have a cell tower in an
 area I've been trying to find access in and this tower is in a good spot for
 us and our tier 1 provider has fiber running right across the road from it.


 Any idea what they charge and issues with them?  Looks to be a big company
 so I doubt they will lease cheaply.

 Thanks!

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Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle Tower Space Leasing

[Bret Clark]

Well, early on it was a pain to deal with them, but after working with
them now we've been able to get things moving a little faster but cost
can suck. The engineering fee is BS but they won't budge on it; that
will set you back about $1800. Plus you need $10 Mil in liability
insurance if you install yourself (barring you have a certified tower
climber). We just hire a tower climbing company instead, but that's not
cheap either, usually $2000 for the day to have two climbers (which they
require).  Expect up to 90 days before anything substantial happens
through in terms of paper work...they are extremely before approving a
site! 

As for monthly rental fee that is reasonable, we pay anywhere from $500
to $800 depending on the location.  


On Mon, 2009-09-21 at 12:33 -0400, RickG wrote:

 Crown Castle is one of the worst companies (think ATT) I have ever
 dealt with. They dont know their right hand from the left. Dont expect
 anything to get done, especially billing.
 -RickG
 
 On 9/21/09, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote:
  Does anyone here lease space from Crown Castle?  I have a cell tower in an
  area I've been trying to find access in and this tower is in a good spot for
  us and our tier 1 provider has fiber running right across the road from it.
 
 
  Any idea what they charge and issues with them?  Looks to be a big company
  so I doubt they will lease cheaply.
 
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Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle Tower Space Leasing

[Tom DeReggi]

 I can put up a used 160' tower for 2 grand plus a
 500 buck permit here

Depend on the location. In my town, it will cost $17,000 minimum just for 
the first phase of a special exception process with County Zoning.
Then what if you need to get up 300-400ft?  300-400ft towers are way more 
expensive to build, and to get permission to build.
And in this county a lot large enough to qualify for a tower cant be had for 
anything less than about $500k.  The county property tax alone for the site 
would easilly be $8000/year.

Sure if you live in remote rural America, where a lot can be had for $4-5K, 
and 150ft tower will do, where there is no one that can see the tower except 
for the people that NEED your service, (so no one to protest), sure building 
your own may be the way to go.
But if you live in that type area, you can use that arguement to negotiate a 
lower price for colocation.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 11:07 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle Tower Space Leasing


 That's just crazy money.  I can put up a used 160' tower for 2 grand plus 
 a
 500 buck permit here.  I decided to just look for some land.  With that 
 kind
 of money it just makes sense to own and not lease around here.  I have 3
 towers in storage but have been hesitant to do much with them.

 Thanks for the response.



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Kevin Neal
 Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 10:59 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle Tower Space Leasing

 Last I looked, 3 sectors and 2 2' backhauls would be $1800/mo+.  For a
 single sector and one backhaul it was still over $1000/mo.
 -Kevin


 On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 8:46 AM, Robert West
 robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote:

 Does anyone here lease space from Crown Castle?  I have a cell tower in 
 an
 area I've been trying to find access in and this tower is in a good spot
 for
 us and our tier 1 provider has fiber running right across the road from
 it.


 Any idea what they charge and issues with them?  Looks to be a big 
 company
 so I doubt they will lease cheaply.

 Thanks!

 Bob-






 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle Tower Space Leasing

[Robert West]

Yeah, here it's just a 500 buck inspection fee for a communications tower.



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Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 1:40 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle Tower Space Leasing

 I can put up a used 160' tower for 2 grand plus a
 500 buck permit here

Depend on the location. In my town, it will cost $17,000 minimum just for 
the first phase of a special exception process with County Zoning.
Then what if you need to get up 300-400ft?  300-400ft towers are way more 
expensive to build, and to get permission to build.
And in this county a lot large enough to qualify for a tower cant be had for

anything less than about $500k.  The county property tax alone for the site 
would easilly be $8000/year.

Sure if you live in remote rural America, where a lot can be had for $4-5K, 
and 150ft tower will do, where there is no one that can see the tower except

for the people that NEED your service, (so no one to protest), sure building

your own may be the way to go.
But if you live in that type area, you can use that arguement to negotiate a

lower price for colocation.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 11:07 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle Tower Space Leasing


 That's just crazy money.  I can put up a used 160' tower for 2 grand plus 
 a
 500 buck permit here.  I decided to just look for some land.  With that 
 kind
 of money it just makes sense to own and not lease around here.  I have 3
 towers in storage but have been hesitant to do much with them.

 Thanks for the response.



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Kevin Neal
 Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 10:59 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle Tower Space Leasing

 Last I looked, 3 sectors and 2 2' backhauls would be $1800/mo+.  For a
 single sector and one backhaul it was still over $1000/mo.
 -Kevin


 On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 8:46 AM, Robert West
 robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote:

 Does anyone here lease space from Crown Castle?  I have a cell tower in 
 an
 area I've been trying to find access in and this tower is in a good spot
 for
 us and our tier 1 provider has fiber running right across the road from
 it.


 Any idea what they charge and issues with them?  Looks to be a big 
 company
 so I doubt they will lease cheaply.

 Thanks!

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Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle Tower Space Leasing

[Tom DeReggi]

There was a time when that was the case...
But Crown has evolved in recent years, and their staff as well are learning 
more about the value of the WISP market, and what costs our market will 
bear.
For me Crown has been a pleasure to work with.

Just like any relationship, to get good terms, it requires an established 
ongoing relationship, and committment from both parties to create value for 
the other party.  In my opinion, the secret is putting yourself in their 
shoes and understanding their position for each transaction.  By 
understanding teh dynamics of the site, it helps determine what things can 
be asked for or not successfully.

Admitted, the process is very slow, (and there fore sometimes frustrating), 
but from our experience the process with all tower companies has been slow, 
so that is an irrelevent factor. And if you are in teh wholesale business, 
you WANT the process to be slow, and you dont want a leasor that gives 
everyone else as good of terms as they give you, since you have the ongoing 
relationship.


Tom DeReggi
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IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 12:33 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle Tower Space Leasing


 Crown Castle is one of the worst companies (think ATT) I have ever
 dealt with. They dont know their right hand from the left. Dont expect
 anything to get done, especially billing.
 -RickG

 On 9/21/09, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote:
 Does anyone here lease space from Crown Castle?  I have a cell tower in 
 an
 area I've been trying to find access in and this tower is in a good spot 
 for
 us and our tier 1 provider has fiber running right across the road from 
 it.


 Any idea what they charge and issues with them?  Looks to be a big 
 company
 so I doubt they will lease cheaply.

 Thanks!

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RE: [WISPA] crown castle

[Brian Webster]

That sounds pretty typical for a structural study. Many tower companies will
require this study each time a new tenant proposes to add equipment to the
tower. Also watch out for any application fees and the requirement to use
only their approved construction crews. That could affect your installation
costs a great deal.



Thank You,
Brian Webster

-Original Message-
From: chris cooper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 10:28 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: [WISPA] crown castle


Can anyone tell me what Crown Castle typically charges for a wisp type
setup- 2 BH radios and a sector antenna? They are quoting me $1750 for
the structural analysis.



Thanks

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Re: [WISPA] crown castle

[Tom DeReggi]

Structural analasis fee is appropriately priced. But most likely the 
structural is NOT needed.  When Telco's put up elaborate infrastrucure it is 
often needed.
It is not likely needed for a small WISP installtion.  Its also likely that 
existing gear can come down. If the gear going up is less wind load than 
gear comming down, no need for structural.  I've never paid a structural to 
date.


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Subject: [WISPA] crown castle



Can anyone tell me what Crown Castle typically charges for a wisp type
setup- 2 BH radios and a sector antenna? They are quoting me $1750 for
the structural analysis.



Thanks

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Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle / Global signal

[Tom DeReggi]

The bigger problem is not costs. Its understandable that the spot goes to 
the higher bidder. The problem is the understanding of how to lease tower 
space when its for unlicensed spectrum apposed to licensed spectrum. The 
tower guys dominently license to license spectrum holders. To teach them 
what WISPs needs for use of Unlicensed on the tower, is a long educational 
process to the tower managers.  In Unlicensed you need more than just the 
channel you are broadcasting on, to maintain future reliabilty and growth.



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- Original Message - 
From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 12:43 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle / Global signal



Hi,

The problem is that cell carriers (at least in my area) pay $500 - $2,000 
per month to be on a tower... the same towers that I pay $100 - $250 per 
month. If you owned the towers, which customer would _you_ rather have? :(


Travis
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D. Ryan Spott wrote:

It seems we (people on this list) are always easily dismissed by  large 
tower owners. These dismissals are often in the form of here,  pay this 
$! fee up front to deal with us or who are you again?  or my 
favorite and one that was told to me by an American Tower Rep:  we don't 
deal with WISPs unless they are named Clearwire.


Is WISPA (or Part-15 for that matter) doing anything to negotiate 
standard or discount leases with these tower owners?


I am not a member of either organization but this sort of thing would 
definitely make me want to join up in a hurry. I also think that if 
tower owners were faced with an organized group of people they might  cut 
though some of the BS we face when working out leases.


Just a suggestion,

ryan



On Oct 7, 2006, at 9:06 PM, Blake Bowers wrote:


Exactly.  Crown is a nightmare if you are not a carrier, and
they are doing the assimiliation.

Smaller tower owners will continue to cater to the smaller
companies, the WISPS, and continue to gain their business.


- Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 8:07 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle / Global signal


How do you figure? Crown Castle is a nightmare to work with, and 
Global Signal has worked well with WISPS. I hope Crown Castle  takes 
Global Signal's good sense with the purchase.


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Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle / Global signal

[Tom DeReggi]

Thats an interesting concept, as long as there are other local tower 
companies in your markets.
Remember GSignal, rolled up a number of tower companies into them a while 
back to.

A lot of preferred tier 1 realestate will be owned by Crown now.
The disadvantage is that the large telcos get Master Agreements, and before 
you know a company like Sprint or Verizon overnight takes over your market 
by signing one agreement, excellerating their time to market.  It also 
allows them to make a deal where their is less risk for them that their 
model will be compromised by a provider on the tower across the street, 
because the tower across the street was just rolled up.


I agree that this move will encourage the smalelr tower companies to work 
with WISPs. And someone can always see a silver lining if they look for it. 
I'm jsut argueing that the prefered goal might have been to want the bigger 
companies to be more WISP friendly. I just hope that some of GSignal's 
personel goes with the assets, or Crown learns from GSignal in the 
aquisition.


This doesn't have to be a bad thing, Crown could be trying to be a better 
company, and costs sometimes can go down if they get all teh business 
instead of jsut have of it. What tower the business is actually on is 
irrelevant.


It also might be worthy to note that Michael Anderson, had discussed good 
experiences several years ago, working with Crown to be mroe WISP friendly. 
And the reasoning they weren;t WISP friendly wasn't intentional, they just 
didn't really understand the market yet, and as a big company had a lot of 
reps that didn't understand it either.


Tom DeReggi
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- Original Message - 
From: Blake Bowers [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 12:06 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle / Global signal



Exactly.  Crown is a nightmare if you are not a carrier, and
they are doing the assimiliation.

Smaller tower owners will continue to cater to the smaller
companies, the WISPS, and continue to gain their business.


- Original Message - 
From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 8:07 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle / Global signal


How do you figure? Crown Castle is a nightmare to work with, and Global 
Signal has worked well with WISPS. I hope Crown Castle takes Global 
Signal's good sense with the purchase.


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Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle / Global signal

[Blake Bowers]

Not sure where this is coming from.  As a tower
owner, these are the concerns we have with
leasing space to WISPS.

1.  Is the WISP going to be around next month.

2.  Who is the WISP going to use for install?

3.  What eqipment is going on the tower.

Any freqency specific stuff is normally covered by our
first in, last out clause.  If we add a customer to the tower
that causes inteference to an existing customer, they need
to fix the problem, otherwise, find another
tower.

Simple


- Original Message - 
From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 12:03 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle / Global signal


The bigger problem is not costs. Its understandable that the spot goes to 
the higher bidder. The problem is the understanding of how to lease tower 
space when its for unlicensed spectrum apposed to licensed spectrum. The 
tower guys dominently license to license spectrum holders. To teach them 
what WISPs needs for use of Unlicensed on the tower, is a long educational 
process to the tower managers.  In Unlicensed you need more than just the 
channel you are broadcasting on, to maintain future reliabilty and growth.



Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 12:43 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle / Global signal



Hi,

The problem is that cell carriers (at least in my area) pay $500 - $2,000 
per month to be on a tower... the same towers that I pay $100 - $250 per 
month. If you owned the towers, which customer would _you_ rather have? 
:(


Travis
Microserv

D. Ryan Spott wrote:

It seems we (people on this list) are always easily dismissed by  large 
tower owners. These dismissals are often in the form of here,  pay this 
$! fee up front to deal with us or who are you again?  or my 
favorite and one that was told to me by an American Tower Rep:  we 
don't deal with WISPs unless they are named Clearwire.


Is WISPA (or Part-15 for that matter) doing anything to negotiate 
standard or discount leases with these tower owners?


I am not a member of either organization but this sort of thing would 
definitely make me want to join up in a hurry. I also think that if 
tower owners were faced with an organized group of people they might 
cut though some of the BS we face when working out leases.


Just a suggestion,

ryan



On Oct 7, 2006, at 9:06 PM, Blake Bowers wrote:


Exactly.  Crown is a nightmare if you are not a carrier, and
they are doing the assimiliation.

Smaller tower owners will continue to cater to the smaller
companies, the WISPS, and continue to gain their business.


- Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 8:07 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle / Global signal


How do you figure? Crown Castle is a nightmare to work with, and 
Global Signal has worked well with WISPS. I hope Crown Castle  takes 
Global Signal's good sense with the purchase.


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Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle / Global signal

[Tom DeReggi]

Blake,

First, I did not realize you were a tower leasor guy :-)

Yes, I agree your first three comments are the most relevant to tower 
leasors.


But my post was not about what was important to tower companies, it was 
about what was important to the WISP leasee using unlicensed spectrum, which 
is different than the need of tenants that use licensed spectrum. License 
Spectrum has predictabilty and upfront defined needs. Unlicensed needs 
flexibilty.  Licensed has plenty of time for planning and change. Unlicensed 
requires immediate (timely) response to adapt.  Tower companies generally do 
not move fast, and they typcally do not sign contracts with out limits set 
on what will get deployed. WISPS need contracts for gear that would 
potentially be installed but could have various substitutions.  Tower 
companies are used to Telcos that know exactly what they needs based on the 
template used at 1000s of other towers.


When I lease, I want to buy the right to the whole spectrum range, with 
exclusive use of it, which I eventually get, or I do not use the tower. 
Tower companies are typically very sceptical about doing a lease of that 
type that will limit themselves in future transactions, or their abilty to 
get re-use out of the spectrum to maximize their revenue opportunities. 
When I lease, I build as I go, becaue their is a finite amount of spectrum, 
and I don't know where my clients will end up being located and what type of 
link will be needed, until after the fact.  So I might throw up a couple APs 
initially, but that will vary over time as required to deliver the product 
my subscribers demand.  Tower companies on the other hand tend to want an 
equipment list in advance of the agreement, but the equipment list doesn;t 
exist at the time the lease needs to be signed because the customers aren;t 
had yet, because the tower rights have not been secured yet.  So What has to 
happen is a lease needs to be signed based on spectrum that needs to be 
used, and/or broad generic description of gear.



Any freqency specific stuff is normally covered by our
first in, last out clause.


Thats great, as long as you are willing to grant first in access, based on 
what is contracted that would eventually be installed by the individual that 
bought the right. How do you measure non-interference if one's gear is not 
yet installed?



If we add a customer to the tower
that causes inteference to an existing customer, they need
to fix the problem, otherwise, find another
tower.


Yes, but thats not good enough, the damage is already done once the 
interference occurs. A WISPs wants more certainty that best practices will 
be taken that will improve changes that interference will be avoided. For 
example if I own 5.8 rights, not allowing someone to try 5.8G prevents the 
interference from happening in the first place.  Without exclusivity, one 
can not determine what interference would happen in the future when channels 
need moving around or power increased, because environmental noise forces 
channels changes on sectors.  Typical Non-Interferemce clauses were 
generally written with static noise conditions in mind, not constant 
changing conditions.


What it boils down to is that a tower owner needs to either accept that they 
are better off leasing to only one leeasee from the tower per band, and then 
its real easy for everyone, or have a specific plan or agreement between all 
parties, how the multiple providers will co-exist.   For example, on the one 
or two cases where we were not given exclusivity or could not afford to buy 
it because it was not needed, we've added clauses such that tower owner was 
required to notify us of any co-tenants that were going to deploy in our 
channel range. We've had cases were we've lost customers because we thought 
we had noise we could do nothing about, thinking it was in the environment 
since no one else supposedly was on our tower, but then learned months later 
it was a co-located tenant stomping on us.


These are some of the issues that I was referring to. I have no idea how 
your company works, and what policies you have, but my guess is that if you 
are a smaller tower company, you's probably do do a better job, just because 
you's be less likely to be limited by generic policies, and willing to take 
the time to work out a agreement to meet the tenant's need.


Tom DeReggi
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- Original Message - 
From: Blake Bowers [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 1:39 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle / Global signal



Not sure where this is coming from.  As a tower
owner, these are the concerns we have with
leasing space to WISPS.

1.  Is the WISP going to be around next month.

2.  Who is the WISP going to use for install?

3.  What eqipment is going on the tower.

Any freqency specific stuff is normally covered by our
first in, last out

Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle / Global signal

[Blake Bowers]

These are some of the issues that I was referring to. I have no idea how 
your company works, and what policies you have, but my guess is that if 
you are a smaller tower company, you's probably do do a better job, just 
because you's be less likely to be limited by generic policies, and 
willing to take the time to work out a agreement to meet the tenant's 
need.





Exactly my point.  I will rent you a spot on the tower, and we can do it
any number of ways.  I have WISPS that lease a portion of the tower, ie
between 330 and 350 foot, load it up.  I also have WISPS that have
exclusive bands.

It is simple, you get what you pay for.  Our rates are still better than
the big guys, our time to market can be measured in hours, not months,
and when you call, you talk to someone who makes a decision.

But, if you need a spot within 1 mile of point A, and ATC or Crown, or
etc has the only tower to be had, you pretty much have to play their
game, build your own, or talk one of the smaller companies into doing
something.



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Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle / Global signal

[D. Ryan Spott]

I'm just sayin'... That if we (er, you guys, I am not a member) come  
at these folks with: we have XXX number of players that want on your  
towers. What sales-droid do we need to talk to? Can we make a wispa  
package to make it easier for the sales-droid to hit his numbers?


Then perhaps Wispa, part-15 whatever can leverage their membership to  
help all of the members.


I seem to get hotel rooms cheaper when I use my AAA card and I get  
electronics cheaper when I use my IEEE card. I would love to use my  
WISPA/Part-15 card to get cheaper, hell just easier and standard  
leases from tower owners.


Just a suggestion.

ryan

On Oct 7, 2006, at 9:43 PM, Travis Johnson wrote:


Hi,

The problem is that cell carriers (at least in my area) pay $500 -  
$2,000 per month to be on a tower... the same towers that I pay  
$100 - $250 per month. If you owned the towers, which customer  
would _you_ rather have? :(


Travis
Microserv

D. Ryan Spott wrote:

It seems we (people on this list) are always easily dismissed by   
large tower owners. These dismissals are often in the form of  
here,  pay this $! fee up front to deal with us or who are  
you again?  or my favorite and one that was told to me by an  
American Tower Rep:  we don't deal with WISPs unless they are  
named Clearwire.


Is WISPA (or Part-15 for that matter) doing anything to negotiate   
standard or discount leases with these tower owners?


I am not a member of either organization but this sort of thing  
would  definitely make me want to join up in a hurry. I also think  
that if  tower owners were faced with an organized group of people  
they might  cut though some of the BS we face when working out  
leases.


Just a suggestion,

ryan



On Oct 7, 2006, at 9:06 PM, Blake Bowers wrote:


Exactly.  Crown is a nightmare if you are not a carrier, and
they are doing the assimiliation.

Smaller tower owners will continue to cater to the smaller
companies, the WISPS, and continue to gain their business.


- Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi   
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 8:07 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle / Global signal


How do you figure? Crown Castle is a nightmare to work with,  
and  Global Signal has worked well with WISPS. I hope Crown  
Castle  takes Global Signal's good sense with the purchase.


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Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle / Global signal

[Tom DeReggi]

How do you figure? Crown Castle is a nightmare to work with, and Global 
Signal has worked well with WISPS. I hope Crown Castle takes Global Signal's 
good sense with the purchase.


Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 1:15 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Crown Castle / Global signal



Crown Castle agreed to acquire Global Signal
for 4 billion cash and stock deal as of yesterday.

Good news for us small guys!

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Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle / Global signal

[Blake Bowers]

Exactly.  Crown is a nightmare if you are not a carrier, and
they are doing the assimiliation.

Smaller tower owners will continue to cater to the smaller
companies, the WISPS, and continue to gain their business.


- Original Message - 
From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 8:07 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle / Global signal


How do you figure? Crown Castle is a nightmare to work with, and Global 
Signal has worked well with WISPS. I hope Crown Castle takes Global 
Signal's good sense with the purchase.


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Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle / Global signal

[D. Ryan Spott]

It seems we (people on this list) are always easily dismissed by  
large tower owners. These dismissals are often in the form of here,  
pay this $! fee up front to deal with us or who are you again?  
or my favorite and one that was told to me by an American Tower Rep:  
we don't deal with WISPs unless they are named Clearwire.


Is WISPA (or Part-15 for that matter) doing anything to negotiate  
standard or discount leases with these tower owners?


I am not a member of either organization but this sort of thing would  
definitely make me want to join up in a hurry. I also think that if  
tower owners were faced with an organized group of people they might  
cut though some of the BS we face when working out leases.


Just a suggestion,

ryan



On Oct 7, 2006, at 9:06 PM, Blake Bowers wrote:


Exactly.  Crown is a nightmare if you are not a carrier, and
they are doing the assimiliation.

Smaller tower owners will continue to cater to the smaller
companies, the WISPS, and continue to gain their business.


- Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi  
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 8:07 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle / Global signal


How do you figure? Crown Castle is a nightmare to work with, and  
Global Signal has worked well with WISPS. I hope Crown Castle  
takes Global Signal's good sense with the purchase.


Tom DeReggi
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Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle / Global signal

[Travis Johnson]

Hi,

The problem is that cell carriers (at least in my area) pay $500 - 
$2,000 per month to be on a tower... the same towers that I pay $100 - 
$250 per month. If you owned the towers, which customer would _you_ 
rather have? :(


Travis
Microserv

D. Ryan Spott wrote:

It seems we (people on this list) are always easily dismissed by  
large tower owners. These dismissals are often in the form of here,  
pay this $! fee up front to deal with us or who are you again?  
or my favorite and one that was told to me by an American Tower Rep:  
we don't deal with WISPs unless they are named Clearwire.


Is WISPA (or Part-15 for that matter) doing anything to negotiate  
standard or discount leases with these tower owners?


I am not a member of either organization but this sort of thing would  
definitely make me want to join up in a hurry. I also think that if  
tower owners were faced with an organized group of people they might  
cut though some of the BS we face when working out leases.


Just a suggestion,

ryan



On Oct 7, 2006, at 9:06 PM, Blake Bowers wrote:


Exactly.  Crown is a nightmare if you are not a carrier, and
they are doing the assimiliation.

Smaller tower owners will continue to cater to the smaller
companies, the WISPS, and continue to gain their business.


- Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi  
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 8:07 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle / Global signal


How do you figure? Crown Castle is a nightmare to work with, and  
Global Signal has worked well with WISPS. I hope Crown Castle  takes 
Global Signal's good sense with the purchase.


Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband




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Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle / Global signal

[Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181]

why?

Who are they?

Marlon
(509) 982-2181   Equipment sales
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp!
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- Original Message - 
From: Blake Bowers [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 10:15 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Crown Castle / Global signal



Crown Castle agreed to acquire Global Signal
for 4 billion cash and stock deal as of yesterday.

Good news for us small guys!

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Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle / Global signal

[Matt Liotta]

Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:

why?

Who are they?

Our two biggest landlords.

-Matt

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RE: [WISPA] Crown Castle / Global signal

[Brad Belton]

CC is a tower company...but I don't recall them necessarily being wISP
friendly.  

We must assume Blake has had better luck negotiating with CC than Global
Signal.

Best,


Brad




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Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 12:28 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle / Global signal

why?

Who are they?

Marlon
(509) 982-2181   Equipment sales
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp!
64.146.146.12 (net meeting)
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam



- Original Message - 
From: Blake Bowers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 10:15 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Crown Castle / Global signal


 Crown Castle agreed to acquire Global Signal
 for 4 billion cash and stock deal as of yesterday.
 
 Good news for us small guys!
 
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Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle / Global signal

[Blake Bowers]

Crown Castle and Global signal are two of the
Giants in the tower industry.

What it does for the WISP industry is make it tougher
to lease from them, historically as they get bigger, if
you are not a cellular carrier you are not of interest
to them.

What it does for the smaller tower owners, is make the
WISPS an even more attractive market - as we know
how tough it is to deal with the big guys, and we try
to make sure we are easy to deal with.


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To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 12:28 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle / Global signal



why?

Who are they?

Marlon
(509) 982-2181   Equipment sales
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp!
64.146.146.12 (net meeting)
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam



- Original Message - 
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To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 10:15 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Crown Castle / Global signal



Crown Castle agreed to acquire Global Signal
for 4 billion cash and stock deal as of yesterday.

Good news for us small guys!

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RE: [WISPA] Crown Castle / Global signal

[n7mfy]

Crown castle is a tower company, and they own thousands of radio towers. It is probably very bad for little guys like us.. Probably an increase in site fees.

 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle / Global signal Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 10:28:27 -0700  why?  Whoarethey?  Marlon (509)982-2181Equipmentsales (408)907-6910(Vonage)Consultingservices 42846865(icq)AndIrunmyownwisp! 64.146.146.12(netmeeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam-OriginalMessage- From:"BlakeBowers"[EMAIL PROTECTED] To:"WISPAGeneralList"wireless@wispa.org Sent:Friday,October06,200610:15AM Subject:[WISPA]CrownCastle/Globalsignal   CrownCastleagreedtoacquireGlobalSignal for4billioncashandstockdealasofyesterday.  Goodnewsforussmallguys!  -- WISPAWirelessList:wireless@wispa.org  Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless  Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/  -- WISPAWirelessList:wireless@wispa.org  Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless  Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/Express yourself - download free Windows Live Messenger themes! Get it now!
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Re: [WISPA] Crown Castle / Global signal

[Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181]

ah

bummer

Marlon(509) 
982-2181 
Equipment sales(408) 907-6910 
(Vonage) 
Consulting services42846865 
(icq) 
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  - Original Message - 
  From: 
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  To: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 
  Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 11:54 
  AM
  Subject: RE: [WISPA] Crown Castle / 
  Global signal
  Crown castle is a tower company, and they own thousands of 
  radio towers. It is probably very bad for little guys like us.. 
  Probably an increase in site fees.
  
   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: 
  [WISPA] Crown Castle / Global signal Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 10:28:27 
  -0700  why?  Whoarethey? 
   Marlon 
  (509)982-2181Equipmentsales 
  (408)907-6910(Vonage)Consultingservices 
  42846865(icq)AndIrunmyownwisp! 
  64.146.146.12(netmeeting) 
  www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam 
 
  -OriginalMessage- 
  From:"BlakeBowers"[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To:"WISPAGeneralList"wireless@wispa.org 
  Sent:Friday,October06,200610:15AM 
  Subject:[WISPA]CrownCastle/Globalsignal 

  CrownCastleagreedtoacquireGlobalSignal 
  for4billioncashandstockdealasofyesterday. 
   
  Goodnewsforussmallguys! 
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