Re: [WISPA] Form 477 Due Today
David E. Smith wrote: Matt Liotta wrote: I'm surprised no one has complained about their use of Microsoft Excel. Form 477 does not work with OpenOffice. They sent me a PDF to fill out instead. Microsoft Office, while not necessarily the best software, is a /de facto/ standard, and keeping a copy around is, I'd argue, just a cost of doing business. I disagree of course. OpenOffice works just fine for sharing documents with other Office users. Sometimes like in this case, complicated Office files that are interactive don't work. In all of those cases --including this one-- a workaround was offered. I don't really have a problem with the price of Office; just the monopoly. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Form 477 Due Today
Don't think it made it to the isp-wireless list George Rick Harnish wrote: Kris Twomey wanted to remind everyone that FCC Form 477 is due today. Thanks. I know some of you have been spreading the word on the FCC Form 477. It's due tomorrow and all WISPs should be filing it. It'll only take 10 minutes to fill out but the info is vital for the FCC to know that the WISP industry is alive and growing. WISPs can't expect the FCC to create useful rules if they don't know how many WISPs there actually are. http://www.fcc.gov/broadband/data.html Kris __ Kristopher E. Twomey www.lokt.net -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Form 477 Due Today
I'm in a rabble rousing mood today so I vote that if you don't fill out your Form 477 you are OUT of WISPA right after you got kicked out already for not have all stickers on your equipment. Stiring the Pot just for fun, Forbes Mercy President - Washington Broadband, Inc the hazard of having a sense of humor is not leaving space in your mind for those who don't winmail.dat-- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Form 477 Due Today
Forbes Mercy wrote: I'm in a rabble rousing mood today so I vote that if you don't fill out your Form 477 you are OUT of WISPA right after you got kicked out already for not have all stickers on your equipment. Stiring the Pot just for fun, Forbes Mercy President - Washington Broadband, Inc the hazard of having a sense of humor is not leaving space in your mind for those who don't Hey Mr Rabble Rouser, Stirring the pot is a good thing, makes us all think a little harder. But I would never vote for kicking out or denying membership to wisps or manufacturers because they don't comply. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Form 477 Due Today
He ain't lying. I just filled out my first ever 477 and it took exactly 10 minutes. I filled in like 15 fields and hit send. I might have don't it wrong but oh well. At least I did it. Brian Rick Harnish wrote: Kris Twomey wanted to remind everyone that FCC Form 477 is due today. Thanks. I know some of you have been spreading the word on the FCC Form 477. It's due tomorrow and all WISPs should be filing it. It'll only take 10 minutes to fill out but the info is vital for the FCC to know that the WISP industry is alive and growing. WISPs can't expect the FCC to create useful rules if they don't know how many WISPs there actually are. http://www.fcc.gov/broadband/data.html Kris __ Kristopher E. Twomey www.lokt.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Form 477 Due Today
17 pages of instructions and no where does it include the address, fax or email to return the Form 477. Where did you guys send it and how did you send the 'required signed' by email? Forbes -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 7:08 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Form 477 Due Today Don't think it made it to the isp-wireless list George Rick Harnish wrote: Kris Twomey wanted to remind everyone that FCC Form 477 is due today. Thanks. I know some of you have been spreading the word on the FCC Form 477. It's due tomorrow and all WISPs should be filing it. It'll only take 10 minutes to fill out but the info is vital for the FCC to know that the WISP industry is alive and growing. WISPs can't expect the FCC to create useful rules if they don't know how many WISPs there actually are. http://www.fcc.gov/broadband/data.html Kris __ Kristopher E. Twomey www.lokt.net -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.413 / Virus Database: 268.18.5/707 - Release Date: 3/1/2007 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.413 / Virus Database: 268.18.5/707 - Release Date: 3/1/2007 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Form 477 Due Today
In the upper right side of the form is says send to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I didn't sign anything. I just filled out the few fields I understood and hit send. Brian Forbes Mercy wrote: 17 pages of instructions and no where does it include the address, fax or email to return the Form 477. Where did you guys send it and how did you send the 'required signed' by email? Forbes -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 7:08 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Form 477 Due Today Don't think it made it to the isp-wireless list George Rick Harnish wrote: Kris Twomey wanted to remind everyone that FCC Form 477 is due today. Thanks. I know some of you have been spreading the word on the FCC Form 477. It's due tomorrow and all WISPs should be filing it. It'll only take 10 minutes to fill out but the info is vital for the FCC to know that the WISP industry is alive and growing. WISPs can't expect the FCC to create useful rules if they don't know how many WISPs there actually are. http://www.fcc.gov/broadband/data.html Kris __ Kristopher E. Twomey www.lokt.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Form 477 Due Today
The time is not filling out the form, its compiling the data to put into it :-) That took me two hours. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 2:23 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Form 477 Due Today He ain't lying. I just filled out my first ever 477 and it took exactly 10 minutes. I filled in like 15 fields and hit send. I might have don't it wrong but oh well. At least I did it. Brian Rick Harnish wrote: Kris Twomey wanted to remind everyone that FCC Form 477 is due today. Thanks. I know some of you have been spreading the word on the FCC Form 477. It's due tomorrow and all WISPs should be filing it. It'll only take 10 minutes to fill out but the info is vital for the FCC to know that the WISP industry is alive and growing. WISPs can't expect the FCC to create useful rules if they don't know how many WISPs there actually are. http://www.fcc.gov/broadband/data.html Kris __ Kristopher E. Twomey www.lokt.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Form 477 Due Today
BRIAN, We always fill it out, print it, sign it, scan it and then send it. Mac _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 2:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Form 477 Due Today In the upper right side of the form is says send to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I didn't sign anything. I just filled out the few fields I understood and hit send. Brian Forbes Mercy wrote: 17 pages of instructions and no where does it include the address, fax or email to return the Form 477. Where did you guys send it and how did you send the 'required signed' by email? Forbes -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 7:08 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Form 477 Due Today Don't think it made it to the isp-wireless list George Rick Harnish wrote: Kris Twomey wanted to remind everyone that FCC Form 477 is due today. Thanks. I know some of you have been spreading the word on the FCC Form 477. It's due tomorrow and all WISPs should be filing it. It'll only take 10 minutes to fill out but the info is vital for the FCC to know that the WISP industry is alive and growing. WISPs can't expect the FCC to create useful rules if they don't know how many WISPs there actually are. http://www.fcc.gov/broadband/data.html Kris __ Kristopher E. Twomey www.lokt.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Form 477 Due Today
Guys, It's pretty late for this in EST but for those in the West coast: Page 14 of the Instructions for the Signed statement form Page 11 of the same doc for the instructions on where to send and how. Go here for it, though I suppose everyone already has it: http://www.fcc.gov/Forms/Form477/477instr.pdf Mario Mac Dearman wrote: BRIAN, We always fill it out, print it, sign it, scan it and then send it. Mac _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 2:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Form 477 Due Today In the upper right side of the form is says send to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I didn't sign anything. I just filled out the few fields I understood and hit send. Brian Forbes Mercy wrote: 17 pages of instructions and no where does it include the address, fax or email to return the Form 477. Where did you guys send it and how did you send the 'required signed' by email? Forbes -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 7:08 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Form 477 Due Today Don't think it made it to the isp-wireless list George Rick Harnish wrote: Kris Twomey wanted to remind everyone that FCC Form 477 is due today. Thanks. I know some of you have been spreading the word on the FCC Form 477. It's due tomorrow and all WISPs should be filing it. It'll only take 10 minutes to fill out but the info is vital for the FCC to know that the WISP industry is alive and growing. WISPs can't expect the FCC to create useful rules if they don't know how many WISPs there actually are. http://www.fcc.gov/broadband/data.html Kris __ Kristopher E. Twomey www.lokt.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Form 477 Due Today
Oh well, better I did something than nothing like the last time. Brian Mac Dearman wrote: BRIAN, We always fill it out, print it, sign it, scan it and then send it. Mac _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 2:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Form 477 Due Today In the upper right side of the form is says send to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I didn't sign anything. I just filled out the few fields I understood and hit send. Brian Forbes Mercy wrote: 17 pages of instructions and no where does it include the address, fax or email to return the Form 477. Where did you guys send it and how did you send the 'required signed' by email? Forbes -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 7:08 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Form 477 Due Today Don't think it made it to the isp-wireless list George Rick Harnish wrote: Kris Twomey wanted to remind everyone that FCC Form 477 is due today. Thanks. I know some of you have been spreading the word on the FCC Form 477. It's due tomorrow and all WISPs should be filing it. It'll only take 10 minutes to fill out but the info is vital for the FCC to know that the WISP industry is alive and growing. WISPs can't expect the FCC to create useful rules if they don't know how many WISPs there actually are. http://www.fcc.gov/broadband/data.html Kris __ Kristopher E. Twomey www.lokt.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
signal levels Re: [WISPA] Form 477 Due Today
As long as we're in a mood today. Have you gotten those signal levels for me yet? And I need my radio back for an install booked for tomorrow. I'm totally out of long and short range kits again! 6 or 7 installs on the books for the next two days! Hhhlll lol marlon - Original Message - From: Forbes Mercy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 10:56 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Form 477 Due Today I'm in a rabble rousing mood today so I vote that if you don't fill out your Form 477 you are OUT of WISPA right after you got kicked out already for not have all stickers on your equipment. Stiring the Pot just for fun, Forbes Mercy President - Washington Broadband, Inc the hazard of having a sense of humor is not leaving space in your mind for those who don't -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Form 477 Due Today
I've never signed mine. Just emailed it. marlon - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 1:26 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Form 477 Due Today Oh well, better I did something than nothing like the last time. Brian Mac Dearman wrote: BRIAN, We always fill it out, print it, sign it, scan it and then send it. Mac _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 2:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Form 477 Due Today In the upper right side of the form is says send to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I didn't sign anything. I just filled out the few fields I understood and hit send. Brian Forbes Mercy wrote: 17 pages of instructions and no where does it include the address, fax or email to return the Form 477. Where did you guys send it and how did you send the 'required signed' by email? Forbes -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 7:08 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Form 477 Due Today Don't think it made it to the isp-wireless list George Rick Harnish wrote: Kris Twomey wanted to remind everyone that FCC Form 477 is due today. Thanks. I know some of you have been spreading the word on the FCC Form 477. It's due tomorrow and all WISPs should be filing it. It'll only take 10 minutes to fill out but the info is vital for the FCC to know that the WISP industry is alive and growing. WISPs can't expect the FCC to create useful rules if they don't know how many WISPs there actually are. http://www.fcc.gov/broadband/data.html Kris __ Kristopher E. Twomey www.lokt.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Form 477 Due Today
Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I've never signed mine. Just emailed it. Technically, then, it's not considered filed. You have to either mail or fax the Certification Statement (i.e. page 14 of the instructions), in addition to either emailing or snail-mailing a floppy or CD with the spreadsheet. David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Form 477 Due Today
Oh god here we go again with a ton of emails saying we are breaking the law. I have never signed mine and the FCC has gladly accepted past filings. I think the FCC would rather just have something filed and since they are all lawyers do seek more then some are willing to give but with a precedence of accepting just the report and not one filed letter stating otherwise lets not make this another technicality argument. We are doing what 75% of our industry aren't - we file our report, end of argument until they get uptight and make a point of enforcing it. Forbes Mercy Washington Broadband, Inc. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 2:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Form 477 Due Today Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I've never signed mine. Just emailed it. Technically, then, it's not considered filed. You have to either mail or fax the Certification Statement (i.e. page 14 of the instructions), in addition to either emailing or snail-mailing a floppy or CD with the spreadsheet. David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.413 / Virus Database: 268.18.5/707 - Release Date: 3/1/2007 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.413 / Virus Database: 268.18.5/707 - Release Date: 3/1/2007 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Form 477 Due Today
I'm surprised no one has complained about their use of Microsoft Excel. Form 477 does not work with OpenOffice. They sent me a PDF to fill out instead. -Matt Forbes Mercy wrote: Oh god here we go again with a ton of emails saying we are breaking the law. I have never signed mine and the FCC has gladly accepted past filings. I think the FCC would rather just have something filed and since they are all lawyers do seek more then some are willing to give but with a precedence of accepting just the report and not one filed letter stating otherwise lets not make this another technicality argument. We are doing what 75% of our industry aren't - we file our report, end of argument until they get uptight and make a point of enforcing it. Forbes Mercy Washington Broadband, Inc. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 2:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Form 477 Due Today Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I've never signed mine. Just emailed it. Technically, then, it's not considered filed. You have to either mail or fax the Certification Statement (i.e. page 14 of the instructions), in addition to either emailing or snail-mailing a floppy or CD with the spreadsheet. David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Form 477 Due Today
Matt Liotta wrote: I'm surprised no one has complained about their use of Microsoft Excel. Form 477 does not work with OpenOffice. They sent me a PDF to fill out instead. Microsoft Office, while not necessarily the best software, is a /de facto/ standard, and keeping a copy around is, I'd argue, just a cost of doing business. Oh god here we go again with a ton of emails saying we are breaking the law. I have never signed mine and the FCC has gladly accepted past filings. I think the FCC would rather just have something filed and since they are all lawyers do seek more then some are willing to give but with a precedence of accepting just the report and not one filed letter stating otherwise lets not make this another technicality argument. But that does lead to an interesting side question (to which I don't have the answer): Do they actually count the results of spreadsheets that don't include the signed certification statement? They do at least some correlation between the two - a year ago, I emailed the form, and UPS'ed the signature sheet. They received the signature but said they couldn't find the spreadsheet and asked me to re-send it. David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Form 477 Due Today
On Thu, 01 Mar 2007 20:37:53 -0500, Matt Liotta wrote I'm surprised no one has complained about their use of Microsoft Excel. Form 477 does not work with OpenOffice. They sent me a PDF to fill out instead. I complained to the list at the first filing date, which got me a revised .xls which didn't work either... Go figure. The FCC now requires you to buy MS Office to fill out their forms... (arrrggghhh). Or not. Whatever the case, it complained that the form was protected and that opening it was not allowed. Mark Koskenmaki Neofast, Inc Broadband for the Walla Walla Valley and Blue Mountains 541-969-8200 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
