Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)
I wear a size 15 shoe. I really hate shopping for shoes. Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 On 08/07/2014 09:25 AM, Patrick Leary wrote: With a size 15 shoe, it's a bit like a sasquatch sighting, only more rare... Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2014 12:07 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) Hey! A Patrick sighting! Regards, Jeff Broadwick Bitlomat Sales Director 847-238-2481 Office 574-220-7826 Cell www.bitlomat.com https://www.facebook.com/Bitlomat http://www.linkedin.com/company/bitlomat -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2014 11:49 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) Everything old is new again. Back in the day the STANDARD was the Western Multiplex Tsunami, which chewed up 100 MHz of 5 GHz ISM (upper 5 GHz) spectrum...and everything in its path. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 4:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) Yes... but not normally on 80MHz wide channels... On 8/6/14, 4:54 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: It is by far and away the most prevalent method... ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentC omputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent- computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL -- -- *From: *Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Wednesday, August 6, 2014 1:03:11 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) I guess... all this backhauling in 5GHz is just making me nauseous. On 8/6/14, 1:48 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Higher one way throughput. More channels to choose from. DFS hit doesn't take your link down. External antennas. Once you add in those external antennas, there are a ton of things that vary like X-pol and F/B. Lower power consumption. Standard PoE. Etc. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentC omputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent- computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL - --- *From: *Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Wednesday, August 6, 2014 12:40:36 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) THanks Josh! I'm not sure this puts the Mimosa device in a positive spot light? H/V instead of cross-slant antennas. Pretty bad F/B compared to the airFiber. And latency is higher than an airFiber What's the amazing thing about this new device? On 8/5/14, 6:16 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gurmZ2nJru0e87DZuGxfipTB326NiP OTkLXNIXBDfdc/edit?usp=sharing submit comments for approval / additions please I'm waiting back on UBNT to help further fill in the chart, and some of it I'm lazy on. TODO: For sure, add bandwidth / distance / modulation / signal / channel width table Also, would like to hear Mimosa's PPS count, and see any results of an RFC2544 test (which normally eats most wireless gear alive). ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses
Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)
How does Mimosa get GPS Sync? Does it have a GPS receiver built into every radio or is there an external source? Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: I totally understand, Steve. What I'm saying is now you have folks throwing up 5GHz 40MHz backhauls ew. I guess we'll say. It's nice the options are out there, but I wish they could be saved for use in the hands of WISPs only. On 8/6/14, 2:17 PM, Steve Barnes wrote: Matt, nausea can be fixed with realism. I have used nothing but 5GHz backhauls for 8 years. Only in the last 2 years have we gone to any 5 GHz Client other than business. I have 15 towers and each has at least 2 paths in and out for redundancy. So that is 35+ Links. Most are 5 miles or more so not an AF24 candidate in my rain zone. I can't afford to just go out and buy $175,000 worth of licensed backhauls. But for the price of one Licensed link I can buy 2.5- 5GHz links (AF5, Mimosa, or whoever) saving me $100,000 when all is said and done. Would I prefer to do all licensed and save all the 5GHz for Customer? Heck Yes!! But that is not the reality I live in. Steve Barnes General Manager PCSWIN.com Howard LLC. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 2:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) I guess... all this backhauling in 5GHz is just making me nauseous. On 8/6/14, 1:48 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Higher one way throughput. More channels to choose from. DFS hit doesn't take your link down. External antennas. Once you add in those external antennas, there are a ton of things that vary like X-pol and F/B. Lower power consumption. Standard PoE. Etc. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentC omputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent- computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL -- -- *From: *Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Wednesday, August 6, 2014 12:40:36 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) THanks Josh! I'm not sure this puts the Mimosa device in a positive spot light? H/V instead of cross-slant antennas. Pretty bad F/B compared to the airFiber. And latency is higher than an airFiber What's the amazing thing about this new device? On 8/5/14, 6:16 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gurmZ2nJru0e87DZuGxfipTB326NiP OTkLXNIXBDfdc/edit?usp=sharing submit comments for approval / additions please I'm waiting back on UBNT to help further fill in the chart, and some of it I'm lazy on. TODO: For sure, add bandwidth / distance / modulation / signal / channel width table Also, would like to hear Mimosa's PPS count, and see any results of an RFC2544 test (which normally eats most wireless gear alive). ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)
GPS and GLONASS receiver are hard integrated in every product, the addition of the 2nd satellite network significantly increases reception, and the receiver is strategically places at the top of the enclosure for clearest reception. The implementation is integrated with an advanced custom GPSDO for 1PPS high precision, and radio groups A/B across the network of Mimosa radios switch TX/RX on the GPS epoch rise and fall. TDMA sync modes allow 50/50 split or 75/25 split for enhanced downstream, and window size adjustability from 2-8ms to optimize speed versus latency choices. For non sync modes, auto TDMA adjusts up/down dynamically and avoids fixing the bandwidth. Cheers, Jaime On Aug 8, 2014, at 7:02 AM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.commailto:li...@wavelinc.com wrote: How does Mimosa get GPS Sync? Does it have a GPS receiver built into every radio or is there an external source? Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.comhttp://www.wavelinc.com/ tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.commailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: I totally understand, Steve. What I'm saying is now you have folks throwing up 5GHz 40MHz backhauls ew. I guess we'll say. It's nice the options are out there, but I wish they could be saved for use in the hands of WISPs only. On 8/6/14, 2:17 PM, Steve Barnes wrote: Matt, nausea can be fixed with realism. I have used nothing but 5GHz backhauls for 8 years. Only in the last 2 years have we gone to any 5 GHz Client other than business. I have 15 towers and each has at least 2 paths in and out for redundancy. So that is 35+ Links. Most are 5 miles or more so not an AF24 candidate in my rain zone. I can't afford to just go out and buy $175,000 worth of licensed backhauls. But for the price of one Licensed link I can buy 2.5- 5GHz links (AF5, Mimosa, or whoever) saving me $100,000 when all is said and done. Would I prefer to do all licensed and save all the 5GHz for Customer? Heck Yes!! But that is not the reality I live in. Steve Barnes General Manager PCSWIN.comhttp://PCSWIN.com Howard LLC. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 2:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) I guess... all this backhauling in 5GHz is just making me nauseous. On 8/6/14, 1:48 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Higher one way throughput. More channels to choose from. DFS hit doesn't take your link down. External antennas. Once you add in those external antennas, there are a ton of things that vary like X-pol and F/B. Lower power consumption. Standard PoE. Etc. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentC omputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent- computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL -- -- *From: *Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.commailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Wednesday, August 6, 2014 12:40:36 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) THanks Josh! I'm not sure this puts the Mimosa device in a positive spot light? H/V instead of cross-slant antennas. Pretty bad F/B compared to the airFiber. And latency is higher than an airFiber What's the amazing thing about this new device? On 8/5/14, 6:16 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gurmZ2nJru0e87DZuGxfipTB326NiP OTkLXNIXBDfdc/edit?usp=sharing submit comments for approval / additions please I'm waiting back on UBNT to help further fill in the chart, and some of it I'm lazy on. TODO: For sure, add bandwidth / distance / modulation / signal / channel width table Also, would like to hear Mimosa's PPS count, and see any results of an RFC2544 test (which normally eats most wireless gear alive). ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.orgmailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.orgmailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.orgmailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.orgmailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)
How does sync work if I have a 50/50 and a 75/25 radio on the same tower? Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 8/8/14, 10:12 AM, Jaime Fink wrote: GPS and GLONASS receiver are hard integrated in every product, the addition of the 2nd satellite network significantly increases reception, and the receiver is strategically places at the top of the enclosure for clearest reception. The implementation is integrated with an advanced custom GPSDO for 1PPS high precision, and radio groups A/B across the network of Mimosa radios switch TX/RX on the GPS epoch rise and fall. TDMA sync modes allow 50/50 split or 75/25 split for enhanced downstream, and window size adjustability from 2-8ms to optimize speed versus latency choices. For non sync modes, auto TDMA adjusts up/down dynamically and avoids fixing the bandwidth. Cheers, Jaime On Aug 8, 2014, at 7:02 AM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com mailto:li...@wavelinc.com wrote: How does Mimosa get GPS Sync? Does it have a GPS receiver built into every radio or is there an external source? Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com http://www.wavelinc.com/ tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: I totally understand, Steve. What I'm saying is now you have folks throwing up 5GHz 40MHz backhauls ew. I guess we'll say. It's nice the options are out there, but I wish they could be saved for use in the hands of WISPs only. On 8/6/14, 2:17 PM, Steve Barnes wrote: Matt, nausea can be fixed with realism. I have used nothing but 5GHz backhauls for 8 years. Only in the last 2 years have we gone to any 5 GHz Client other than business. I have 15 towers and each has at least 2 paths in and out for redundancy. So that is 35+ Links. Most are 5 miles or more so not an AF24 candidate in my rain zone. I can't afford to just go out and buy $175,000 worth of licensed backhauls. But for the price of one Licensed link I can buy 2.5- 5GHz links (AF5, Mimosa, or whoever) saving me $100,000 when all is said and done. Would I prefer to do all licensed and save all the 5GHz for Customer? Heck Yes!! But that is not the reality I live in. Steve Barnes General Manager PCSWIN.com http://PCSWIN.com Howard LLC. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 2:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) I guess... all this backhauling in 5GHz is just making me nauseous. On 8/6/14, 1:48 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Higher one way throughput. More channels to choose from. DFS hit doesn't take your link down. External antennas. Once you add in those external antennas, there are a ton of things that vary like X-pol and F/B. Lower power consumption. Standard PoE. Etc. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentC omputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent- computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL -- -- *From: *Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Wednesday, August 6, 2014 12:40:36 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) THanks Josh! I'm not sure this puts the Mimosa device in a positive spot light? H/V instead of cross-slant antennas. Pretty bad F/B compared to the airFiber. And latency is higher than an airFiber What's the amazing thing about this new device? On 8/5/14, 6:16 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gurmZ2nJru0e87DZuGxfipTB326NiP OTkLXNIXBDfdc/edit?usp=sharing submit comments for approval / additions please I'm waiting back on UBNT to help further fill in the chart, and some of it I'm lazy on. TODO: For sure, add bandwidth / distance / modulation / signal / channel width table Also, would like to hear Mimosa's PPS count, and see any results of an RFC2544 test (which
Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)
Jamie, Thanks for the quick reply. In non-sync mode what is expected latency on the links? Also in sync-mode what is the throughput hit when you adjust the window size for better latency? Reason I ask is you mentioned 8ms latency in your post and If I am backhauling across 7 towers that could add over 50ms of latency from one end of the network to the other... Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 10:12 AM, Jaime Fink ja...@mimosa.co wrote: GPS and GLONASS receiver are hard integrated in every product, the addition of the 2nd satellite network significantly increases reception, and the receiver is strategically places at the top of the enclosure for clearest reception. The implementation is integrated with an advanced custom GPSDO for 1PPS high precision, and radio groups A/B across the network of Mimosa radios switch TX/RX on the GPS epoch rise and fall. TDMA sync modes allow 50/50 split or 75/25 split for enhanced downstream, and window size adjustability from 2-8ms to optimize speed versus latency choices. For non sync modes, auto TDMA adjusts up/down dynamically and avoids fixing the bandwidth. Cheers, Jaime On Aug 8, 2014, at 7:02 AM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com wrote: How does Mimosa get GPS Sync? Does it have a GPS receiver built into every radio or is there an external source? Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: I totally understand, Steve. What I'm saying is now you have folks throwing up 5GHz 40MHz backhauls ew. I guess we'll say. It's nice the options are out there, but I wish they could be saved for use in the hands of WISPs only. On 8/6/14, 2:17 PM, Steve Barnes wrote: Matt, nausea can be fixed with realism. I have used nothing but 5GHz backhauls for 8 years. Only in the last 2 years have we gone to any 5 GHz Client other than business. I have 15 towers and each has at least 2 paths in and out for redundancy. So that is 35+ Links. Most are 5 miles or more so not an AF24 candidate in my rain zone. I can't afford to just go out and buy $175,000 worth of licensed backhauls. But for the price of one Licensed link I can buy 2.5- 5GHz links (AF5, Mimosa, or whoever) saving me $100,000 when all is said and done. Would I prefer to do all licensed and save all the 5GHz for Customer? Heck Yes!! But that is not the reality I live in. Steve Barnes General Manager PCSWIN.com Howard LLC. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 2:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) I guess... all this backhauling in 5GHz is just making me nauseous. On 8/6/14, 1:48 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Higher one way throughput. More channels to choose from. DFS hit doesn't take your link down. External antennas. Once you add in those external antennas, there are a ton of things that vary like X-pol and F/B. Lower power consumption. Standard PoE. Etc. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentC omputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent- computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL -- -- *From: *Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Wednesday, August 6, 2014 12:40:36 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) THanks Josh! I'm not sure this puts the Mimosa device in a positive spot light? H/V instead of cross-slant antennas. Pretty bad F/B compared to the airFiber. And latency is higher than an airFiber What's the amazing thing about this new device? On 8/5/14, 6:16 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gurmZ2nJru0e87DZuGxfipTB326NiP OTkLXNIXBDfdc/edit?usp=sharing submit comments for approval / additions please I'm waiting back on UBNT to help further fill in the chart, and some of it I'm lazy on. TODO: For sure, add bandwidth / distance / modulation / signal / channel width table Also, would like to hear Mimosa's PPS count, and see any results of an RFC2544 test (which normally eats most wireless gear alive). ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless
Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)
Different sync settings need to be on a different channel set to avoid interference. But that does not limit the use of differing configurations beyond a single group. On Aug 8, 2014, at 7:14 AM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: How does sync work if I have a 50/50 and a 75/25 radio on the same tower? Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 8/8/14, 10:12 AM, Jaime Fink wrote: GPS and GLONASS receiver are hard integrated in every product, the addition of the 2nd satellite network significantly increases reception, and the receiver is strategically places at the top of the enclosure for clearest reception. The implementation is integrated with an advanced custom GPSDO for 1PPS high precision, and radio groups A/B across the network of Mimosa radios switch TX/RX on the GPS epoch rise and fall. TDMA sync modes allow 50/50 split or 75/25 split for enhanced downstream, and window size adjustability from 2-8ms to optimize speed versus latency choices. For non sync modes, auto TDMA adjusts up/down dynamically and avoids fixing the bandwidth. Cheers, Jaime On Aug 8, 2014, at 7:02 AM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com mailto:li...@wavelinc.com wrote: How does Mimosa get GPS Sync? Does it have a GPS receiver built into every radio or is there an external source? Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com http://www.wavelinc.com/ tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: I totally understand, Steve. What I'm saying is now you have folks throwing up 5GHz 40MHz backhauls ew. I guess we'll say. It's nice the options are out there, but I wish they could be saved for use in the hands of WISPs only. On 8/6/14, 2:17 PM, Steve Barnes wrote: Matt, nausea can be fixed with realism. I have used nothing but 5GHz backhauls for 8 years. Only in the last 2 years have we gone to any 5 GHz Client other than business. I have 15 towers and each has at least 2 paths in and out for redundancy. So that is 35+ Links. Most are 5 miles or more so not an AF24 candidate in my rain zone. I can't afford to just go out and buy $175,000 worth of licensed backhauls. But for the price of one Licensed link I can buy 2.5- 5GHz links (AF5, Mimosa, or whoever) saving me $100,000 when all is said and done. Would I prefer to do all licensed and save all the 5GHz for Customer? Heck Yes!! But that is not the reality I live in. Steve Barnes General Manager PCSWIN.com http://PCSWIN.com Howard LLC. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 2:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) I guess... all this backhauling in 5GHz is just making me nauseous. On 8/6/14, 1:48 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Higher one way throughput. More channels to choose from. DFS hit doesn't take your link down. External antennas. Once you add in those external antennas, there are a ton of things that vary like X-pol and F/B. Lower power consumption. Standard PoE. Etc. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentC omputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent- computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL -- -- *From: *Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Wednesday, August 6, 2014 12:40:36 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) THanks Josh! I'm not sure this puts the Mimosa device in a positive spot light? H/V instead of cross-slant antennas. Pretty bad F/B compared to the airFiber. And latency is higher than an airFiber What's the amazing thing about this new device? On 8/5/14, 6:16 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gurmZ2nJru0e87DZuGxfipTB326NiP OTkLXNIXBDfdc/edit?usp=sharing submit comments for approval / additions please I'm waiting back on UBNT to help further fill in the chart, and some of it I'm lazy on. TODO: For sure, add bandwidth / distance / modulation / signal / channel width table Also, would like to hear Mimosa's PPS count, and see any results of an RFC2544 test (which normally eats most wireless gear alive). ___ Wireless mailing list
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It syncs those systems within systems of the same parameters. Changing the parameters requires more traditional RF planning. Same thing on Canopy, WiMax, etc., etc. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, August 8, 2014 9:13:54 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) How does sync work if I have a 50/50 and a 75/25 radio on the same tower? Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 8/8/14, 10:12 AM, Jaime Fink wrote: GPS and GLONASS receiver are hard integrated in every product, the addition of the 2nd satellite network significantly increases reception, and the receiver is strategically places at the top of the enclosure for clearest reception. The implementation is integrated with an advanced custom GPSDO for 1PPS high precision, and radio groups A/B across the network of Mimosa radios switch TX/RX on the GPS epoch rise and fall. TDMA sync modes allow 50/50 split or 75/25 split for enhanced downstream, and window size adjustability from 2-8ms to optimize speed versus latency choices. For non sync modes, auto TDMA adjusts up/down dynamically and avoids fixing the bandwidth. Cheers, Jaime On Aug 8, 2014, at 7:02 AM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com mailto:li...@wavelinc.com wrote: How does Mimosa get GPS Sync? Does it have a GPS receiver built into every radio or is there an external source? Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com http://www.wavelinc.com/ tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: I totally understand, Steve. What I'm saying is now you have folks throwing up 5GHz 40MHz backhauls ew. I guess we'll say. It's nice the options are out there, but I wish they could be saved for use in the hands of WISPs only. On 8/6/14, 2:17 PM, Steve Barnes wrote: Matt, nausea can be fixed with realism. I have used nothing but 5GHz backhauls for 8 years. Only in the last 2 years have we gone to any 5 GHz Client other than business. I have 15 towers and each has at least 2 paths in and out for redundancy. So that is 35+ Links. Most are 5 miles or more so not an AF24 candidate in my rain zone. I can't afford to just go out and buy $175,000 worth of licensed backhauls. But for the price of one Licensed link I can buy 2.5- 5GHz links (AF5, Mimosa, or whoever) saving me $100,000 when all is said and done. Would I prefer to do all licensed and save all the 5GHz for Customer? Heck Yes!! But that is not the reality I live in. Steve Barnes General Manager PCSWIN.com http://PCSWIN.com Howard LLC. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 2:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) I guess... all this backhauling in 5GHz is just making me nauseous. On 8/6/14, 1:48 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Higher one way throughput. More channels to choose from. DFS hit doesn't take your link down. External antennas. Once you add in those external antennas, there are a ton of things that vary like X-pol and F/B. Lower power consumption. Standard PoE. Etc. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentC omputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent- computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL -- -- *From: *Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Wednesday, August 6, 2014 12:40:36 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) THanks Josh! I'm not sure this puts the Mimosa device in a positive spot light? H/V instead of cross-slant antennas. Pretty bad F/B compared to the airFiber. And latency is higher than an airFiber What's the amazing thing about this new device? On 8/5/14, 6:16 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gurmZ2nJru0e87DZuGxfipTB326NiP OTkLXNIXBDfdc/edit?usp=sharing submit comments for approval / additions please I'm waiting back on UBNT to help further fill in the chart, and some of it I'm lazy
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Off topic, are you guys based in Columbia? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Aug 8, 2014 10:19 AM, Jaime Fink ja...@mimosa.co wrote: Different sync settings need to be on a different channel set to avoid interference. But that does not limit the use of differing configurations beyond a single group. On Aug 8, 2014, at 7:14 AM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: How does sync work if I have a 50/50 and a 75/25 radio on the same tower? Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 8/8/14, 10:12 AM, Jaime Fink wrote: GPS and GLONASS receiver are hard integrated in every product, the addition of the 2nd satellite network significantly increases reception, and the receiver is strategically places at the top of the enclosure for clearest reception. The implementation is integrated with an advanced custom GPSDO for 1PPS high precision, and radio groups A/B across the network of Mimosa radios switch TX/RX on the GPS epoch rise and fall. TDMA sync modes allow 50/50 split or 75/25 split for enhanced downstream, and window size adjustability from 2-8ms to optimize speed versus latency choices. For non sync modes, auto TDMA adjusts up/down dynamically and avoids fixing the bandwidth. Cheers, Jaime On Aug 8, 2014, at 7:02 AM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com mailto:li...@wavelinc.com wrote: How does Mimosa get GPS Sync? Does it have a GPS receiver built into every radio or is there an external source? Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com http://www.wavelinc.com/ tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: I totally understand, Steve. What I'm saying is now you have folks throwing up 5GHz 40MHz backhauls ew. I guess we'll say. It's nice the options are out there, but I wish they could be saved for use in the hands of WISPs only. On 8/6/14, 2:17 PM, Steve Barnes wrote: Matt, nausea can be fixed with realism. I have used nothing but 5GHz backhauls for 8 years. Only in the last 2 years have we gone to any 5 GHz Client other than business. I have 15 towers and each has at least 2 paths in and out for redundancy. So that is 35+ Links. Most are 5 miles or more so not an AF24 candidate in my rain zone. I can't afford to just go out and buy $175,000 worth of licensed backhauls. But for the price of one Licensed link I can buy 2.5- 5GHz links (AF5, Mimosa, or whoever) saving me $100,000 when all is said and done. Would I prefer to do all licensed and save all the 5GHz for Customer? Heck Yes!! But that is not the reality I live in. Steve Barnes General Manager PCSWIN.com http://PCSWIN.com Howard LLC. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 2:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) I guess... all this backhauling in 5GHz is just making me nauseous. On 8/6/14, 1:48 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Higher one way throughput. More channels to choose from. DFS hit doesn't take your link down. External antennas. Once you add in those external antennas, there are a ton of things that vary like X-pol and F/B. Lower power consumption. Standard PoE. Etc. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentC omputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent- computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL -- -- *From: *Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Wednesday, August 6, 2014 12:40:36 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) THanks Josh! I'm not sure this puts the Mimosa device in a positive spot light? H/V instead of cross-slant antennas. Pretty bad F/B compared to the airFiber. And latency is higher than an airFiber What's the amazing thing about this new device? On 8/5/14, 6:16 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gurmZ2nJru0e87DZuGxfipTB326NiP OTkLXNIXBDfdc/edit?usp=sharing submit comments for approval / additions please I'm waiting back on UBNT to help further fill in the chart, and some of it I'm lazy
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From what we've seen so far in the field, it's about 10% drop between 8 and 4 ms, and and another 10% drop to 2 ms. I was showing a link in the field in a WISP beta location yesterday at the Streakwave event that was in 2ms mode window size and it was ranging in the 700-800 Mbps depending on traffic we were pumping through on iPerf. Jaime On Aug 8, 2014, at 7:18 AM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.commailto:li...@wavelinc.com wrote: Jamie, Thanks for the quick reply. In non-sync mode what is expected latency on the links? Also in sync-mode what is the throughput hit when you adjust the window size for better latency? Reason I ask is you mentioned 8ms latency in your post and If I am backhauling across 7 towers that could add over 50ms of latency from one end of the network to the other... Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.comhttp://www.wavelinc.com/ tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 10:12 AM, Jaime Fink ja...@mimosa.comailto:ja...@mimosa.co wrote: GPS and GLONASS receiver are hard integrated in every product, the addition of the 2nd satellite network significantly increases reception, and the receiver is strategically places at the top of the enclosure for clearest reception. The implementation is integrated with an advanced custom GPSDO for 1PPS high precision, and radio groups A/B across the network of Mimosa radios switch TX/RX on the GPS epoch rise and fall. TDMA sync modes allow 50/50 split or 75/25 split for enhanced downstream, and window size adjustability from 2-8ms to optimize speed versus latency choices. For non sync modes, auto TDMA adjusts up/down dynamically and avoids fixing the bandwidth. Cheers, Jaime On Aug 8, 2014, at 7:02 AM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.commailto:li...@wavelinc.com wrote: How does Mimosa get GPS Sync? Does it have a GPS receiver built into every radio or is there an external source? Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.comhttp://www.wavelinc.com/ tel. 419-562-6405tel:419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110tel:419-617-0110 On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.commailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: I totally understand, Steve. What I'm saying is now you have folks throwing up 5GHz 40MHz backhauls ew. I guess we'll say. It's nice the options are out there, but I wish they could be saved for use in the hands of WISPs only. On 8/6/14, 2:17 PM, Steve Barnes wrote: Matt, nausea can be fixed with realism. I have used nothing but 5GHz backhauls for 8 years. Only in the last 2 years have we gone to any 5 GHz Client other than business. I have 15 towers and each has at least 2 paths in and out for redundancy. So that is 35+ Links. Most are 5 miles or more so not an AF24 candidate in my rain zone. I can't afford to just go out and buy $175,000 worth of licensed backhauls. But for the price of one Licensed link I can buy 2.5- 5GHz links (AF5, Mimosa, or whoever) saving me $100,000 when all is said and done. Would I prefer to do all licensed and save all the 5GHz for Customer? Heck Yes!! But that is not the reality I live in. Steve Barnes General Manager PCSWIN.comhttp://PCSWIN.com Howard LLC. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 2:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) I guess... all this backhauling in 5GHz is just making me nauseous. On 8/6/14, 1:48 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Higher one way throughput. More channels to choose from. DFS hit doesn't take your link down. External antennas. Once you add in those external antennas, there are a ton of things that vary like X-pol and F/B. Lower power consumption. Standard PoE. Etc. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentC omputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent- computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL -- -- *From: *Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.commailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Wednesday, August 6, 2014 12:40:36 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) THanks Josh! I'm not sure this puts the Mimosa device in a positive spot light? H/V instead of cross-slant antennas. Pretty bad F/B compared to the airFiber. And latency is higher than an airFiber What's the amazing thing about this new device? On 8/5/14, 6:16 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d
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Colombia? http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1766737.1398290195!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/gallery_1200/sofia-vergara-1998.jpg - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, August 8, 2014 9:23:29 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) Off topic, are you guys based in Columbia? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Aug 8, 2014 10:19 AM, Jaime Fink ja...@mimosa.co wrote: Different sync settings need to be on a different channel set to avoid interference. But that does not limit the use of differing configurations beyond a single group. On Aug 8, 2014, at 7:14 AM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: How does sync work if I have a 50/50 and a 75/25 radio on the same tower? Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 8/8/14, 10:12 AM, Jaime Fink wrote: GPS and GLONASS receiver are hard integrated in every product, the addition of the 2nd satellite network significantly increases reception, and the receiver is strategically places at the top of the enclosure for clearest reception. The implementation is integrated with an advanced custom GPSDO for 1PPS high precision, and radio groups A/B across the network of Mimosa radios switch TX/RX on the GPS epoch rise and fall. TDMA sync modes allow 50/50 split or 75/25 split for enhanced downstream, and window size adjustability from 2-8ms to optimize speed versus latency choices. For non sync modes, auto TDMA adjusts up/down dynamically and avoids fixing the bandwidth. Cheers, Jaime On Aug 8, 2014, at 7:02 AM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com mailto: li...@wavelinc.com wrote: How does Mimosa get GPS Sync? Does it have a GPS receiver built into every radio or is there an external source? Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com http://www.wavelinc.com/ tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com mailto: mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: I totally understand, Steve. What I'm saying is now you have folks throwing up 5GHz 40MHz backhauls ew. I guess we'll say. It's nice the options are out there, but I wish they could be saved for use in the hands of WISPs only. On 8/6/14, 2:17 PM, Steve Barnes wrote: Matt, nausea can be fixed with realism. I have used nothing but 5GHz backhauls for 8 years. Only in the last 2 years have we gone to any 5 GHz Client other than business. I have 15 towers and each has at least 2 paths in and out for redundancy. So that is 35+ Links. Most are 5 miles or more so not an AF24 candidate in my rain zone. I can't afford to just go out and buy $175,000 worth of licensed backhauls. But for the price of one Licensed link I can buy 2.5- 5GHz links (AF5, Mimosa, or whoever) saving me $100,000 when all is said and done. Would I prefer to do all licensed and save all the 5GHz for Customer? Heck Yes!! But that is not the reality I live in. Steve Barnes General Manager PCSWIN.com http://PCSWIN.com Howard LLC. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 2:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) I guess... all this backhauling in 5GHz is just making me nauseous. On 8/6/14, 1:48 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Higher one way throughput. More channels to choose from. DFS hit doesn't take your link down. External antennas. Once you add in those external antennas, there are a ton of things that vary like X-pol and F/B. Lower power consumption. Standard PoE. Etc. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentC omputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent- computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- -- *From: *Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com mailto: mhop...@indigowireless.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto: wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Wednesday, August 6, 2014 12:40:36 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) THanks Josh! I'm not sure this puts the Mimosa device in a positive spot light? H/V instead of cross-slant antennas. Pretty bad F/B
Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)
Correct. You can expect the RF sync coordination tool from Mimosa before general release in our Cloud design tool to automate the coordination and performance planning. On Aug 8, 2014, at 7:21 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.netmailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: It syncs those systems within systems of the same parameters. Changing the parameters requires more traditional RF planning. Same thing on Canopy, WiMax, etc., etc. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/ICSIL From: Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.commailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, August 8, 2014 9:13:54 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) How does sync work if I have a 50/50 and a 75/25 radio on the same tower? Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 8/8/14, 10:12 AM, Jaime Fink wrote: GPS and GLONASS receiver are hard integrated in every product, the addition of the 2nd satellite network significantly increases reception, and the receiver is strategically places at the top of the enclosure for clearest reception. The implementation is integrated with an advanced custom GPSDO for 1PPS high precision, and radio groups A/B across the network of Mimosa radios switch TX/RX on the GPS epoch rise and fall. TDMA sync modes allow 50/50 split or 75/25 split for enhanced downstream, and window size adjustability from 2-8ms to optimize speed versus latency choices. For non sync modes, auto TDMA adjusts up/down dynamically and avoids fixing the bandwidth. Cheers, Jaime On Aug 8, 2014, at 7:02 AM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.commailto:li...@wavelinc.com mailto:li...@wavelinc.com wrote: How does Mimosa get GPS Sync? Does it have a GPS receiver built into every radio or is there an external source? Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com http://www.wavelinc.com/ tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.commailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: I totally understand, Steve. What I'm saying is now you have folks throwing up 5GHz 40MHz backhauls ew. I guess we'll say. It's nice the options are out there, but I wish they could be saved for use in the hands of WISPs only. On 8/6/14, 2:17 PM, Steve Barnes wrote: Matt, nausea can be fixed with realism. I have used nothing but 5GHz backhauls for 8 years. Only in the last 2 years have we gone to any 5 GHz Client other than business. I have 15 towers and each has at least 2 paths in and out for redundancy. So that is 35+ Links. Most are 5 miles or more so not an AF24 candidate in my rain zone. I can't afford to just go out and buy $175,000 worth of licensed backhauls. But for the price of one Licensed link I can buy 2.5- 5GHz links (AF5, Mimosa, or whoever) saving me $100,000 when all is said and done. Would I prefer to do all licensed and save all the 5GHz for Customer? Heck Yes!! But that is not the reality I live in. Steve Barnes General Manager PCSWIN.comhttp://PCSWIN.com http://PCSWIN.com Howard LLC. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 2:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) I guess... all this backhauling in 5GHz is just making me nauseous. On 8/6/14, 1:48 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Higher one way throughput. More channels to choose from. DFS hit doesn't take your link down. External antennas. Once you add in those external antennas, there are a ton of things that vary like X-pol and F/B. Lower power consumption. Standard PoE. Etc. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentC omputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent- computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL
Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)
Their domain is .co which is the country TLD for Columbia. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Aug 8, 2014 10:26 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Colombia? http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1766737.1398290195!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/gallery_1200/sofia-vergara-1998.jpg - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Friday, August 8, 2014 9:23:29 AM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) Off topic, are you guys based in Columbia? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Aug 8, 2014 10:19 AM, Jaime Fink ja...@mimosa.co wrote: Different sync settings need to be on a different channel set to avoid interference. But that does not limit the use of differing configurations beyond a single group. On Aug 8, 2014, at 7:14 AM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: How does sync work if I have a 50/50 and a 75/25 radio on the same tower? Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 8/8/14, 10:12 AM, Jaime Fink wrote: GPS and GLONASS receiver are hard integrated in every product, the addition of the 2nd satellite network significantly increases reception, and the receiver is strategically places at the top of the enclosure for clearest reception. The implementation is integrated with an advanced custom GPSDO for 1PPS high precision, and radio groups A/B across the network of Mimosa radios switch TX/RX on the GPS epoch rise and fall. TDMA sync modes allow 50/50 split or 75/25 split for enhanced downstream, and window size adjustability from 2-8ms to optimize speed versus latency choices. For non sync modes, auto TDMA adjusts up/down dynamically and avoids fixing the bandwidth. Cheers, Jaime On Aug 8, 2014, at 7:02 AM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com mailto:li...@wavelinc.com wrote: How does Mimosa get GPS Sync? Does it have a GPS receiver built into every radio or is there an external source? Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com http://www.wavelinc.com/ tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: I totally understand, Steve. What I'm saying is now you have folks throwing up 5GHz 40MHz backhauls ew. I guess we'll say. It's nice the options are out there, but I wish they could be saved for use in the hands of WISPs only. On 8/6/14, 2:17 PM, Steve Barnes wrote: Matt, nausea can be fixed with realism. I have used nothing but 5GHz backhauls for 8 years. Only in the last 2 years have we gone to any 5 GHz Client other than business. I have 15 towers and each has at least 2 paths in and out for redundancy. So that is 35+ Links. Most are 5 miles or more so not an AF24 candidate in my rain zone. I can't afford to just go out and buy $175,000 worth of licensed backhauls. But for the price of one Licensed link I can buy 2.5- 5GHz links (AF5, Mimosa, or whoever) saving me $100,000 when all is said and done. Would I prefer to do all licensed and save all the 5GHz for Customer? Heck Yes!! But that is not the reality I live in. Steve Barnes General Manager PCSWIN.com http://PCSWIN.com Howard LLC. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 2:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) I guess... all this backhauling in 5GHz is just making me nauseous. On 8/6/14, 1:48 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Higher one way throughput. More channels to choose from. DFS hit doesn't take your link down. External antennas. Once you add in those external antennas, there are a ton of things that vary like X-pol and F/B. Lower power consumption. Standard PoE. Etc. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentC omputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent- computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL
Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)
Is bit.ly really based in Libya? It's just people being cute with CCLTDs - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, August 8, 2014 9:37:11 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) Their domain is .co which is the country TLD for Columbia. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Aug 8, 2014 10:26 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Colombia? http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1766737.1398290195!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/gallery_1200/sofia-vergara-1998.jpg - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, August 8, 2014 9:23:29 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) Off topic, are you guys based in Columbia? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Aug 8, 2014 10:19 AM, Jaime Fink ja...@mimosa.co wrote: blockquote Different sync settings need to be on a different channel set to avoid interference. But that does not limit the use of differing configurations beyond a single group. On Aug 8, 2014, at 7:14 AM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: How does sync work if I have a 50/50 and a 75/25 radio on the same tower? Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 8/8/14, 10:12 AM, Jaime Fink wrote: GPS and GLONASS receiver are hard integrated in every product, the addition of the 2nd satellite network significantly increases reception, and the receiver is strategically places at the top of the enclosure for clearest reception. The implementation is integrated with an advanced custom GPSDO for 1PPS high precision, and radio groups A/B across the network of Mimosa radios switch TX/RX on the GPS epoch rise and fall. TDMA sync modes allow 50/50 split or 75/25 split for enhanced downstream, and window size adjustability from 2-8ms to optimize speed versus latency choices. For non sync modes, auto TDMA adjusts up/down dynamically and avoids fixing the bandwidth. Cheers, Jaime On Aug 8, 2014, at 7:02 AM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com mailto: li...@wavelinc.com wrote: How does Mimosa get GPS Sync? Does it have a GPS receiver built into every radio or is there an external source? Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com http://www.wavelinc.com/ tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com mailto: mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: I totally understand, Steve. What I'm saying is now you have folks throwing up 5GHz 40MHz backhauls ew. I guess we'll say. It's nice the options are out there, but I wish they could be saved for use in the hands of WISPs only. On 8/6/14, 2:17 PM, Steve Barnes wrote: Matt, nausea can be fixed with realism. I have used nothing but 5GHz backhauls for 8 years. Only in the last 2 years have we gone to any 5 GHz Client other than business. I have 15 towers and each has at least 2 paths in and out for redundancy. So that is 35+ Links. Most are 5 miles or more so not an AF24 candidate in my rain zone. I can't afford to just go out and buy $175,000 worth of licensed backhauls. But for the price of one Licensed link I can buy 2.5- 5GHz links (AF5, Mimosa, or whoever) saving me $100,000 when all is said and done. Would I prefer to do all licensed and save all the 5GHz for Customer? Heck Yes!! But that is not the reality I live in. Steve Barnes General Manager PCSWIN.com http://PCSWIN.com Howard LLC. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 2:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) I guess... all this backhauling in 5GHz is just making me nauseous. On 8/6/14, 1:48 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Higher one way throughput. More channels to choose from. DFS hit doesn't take your link down. External antennas. Once you add in those external antennas, there are a ton of things that vary like X-pol and F/B. Lower power consumption. Standard PoE. Etc. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentC
Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)
Ha ha. You meant us. No, the guy that owns .com wasn't willing to sell it. We're in Campbell in Silicon Valley. On Aug 8, 2014, at 7:26 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.netmailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Colombia? http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1766737.1398290195!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/gallery_1200/sofia-vergara-1998.jpg - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/ICSIL From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, August 8, 2014 9:23:29 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) Off topic, are you guys based in Columbia? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Aug 8, 2014 10:19 AM, Jaime Fink ja...@mimosa.comailto:ja...@mimosa.co wrote: Different sync settings need to be on a different channel set to avoid interference. But that does not limit the use of differing configurations beyond a single group. On Aug 8, 2014, at 7:14 AM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.commailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: How does sync work if I have a 50/50 and a 75/25 radio on the same tower? Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312tel:%2B1%20%28570%29%20723-7312 On 8/8/14, 10:12 AM, Jaime Fink wrote: GPS and GLONASS receiver are hard integrated in every product, the addition of the 2nd satellite network significantly increases reception, and the receiver is strategically places at the top of the enclosure for clearest reception. The implementation is integrated with an advanced custom GPSDO for 1PPS high precision, and radio groups A/B across the network of Mimosa radios switch TX/RX on the GPS epoch rise and fall. TDMA sync modes allow 50/50 split or 75/25 split for enhanced downstream, and window size adjustability from 2-8ms to optimize speed versus latency choices. For non sync modes, auto TDMA adjusts up/down dynamically and avoids fixing the bandwidth. Cheers, Jaime On Aug 8, 2014, at 7:02 AM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.commailto:li...@wavelinc.com mailto:li...@wavelinc.commailto:li...@wavelinc.com wrote: How does Mimosa get GPS Sync? Does it have a GPS receiver built into every radio or is there an external source? Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com http://www.wavelinc.com/ tel. 419-562-6405tel:419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110tel:419-617-0110 On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.commailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.commailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: I totally understand, Steve. What I'm saying is now you have folks throwing up 5GHz 40MHz backhauls ew. I guess we'll say. It's nice the options are out there, but I wish they could be saved for use in the hands of WISPs only. On 8/6/14, 2:17 PM, Steve Barnes wrote: Matt, nausea can be fixed with realism. I have used nothing but 5GHz backhauls for 8 years. Only in the last 2 years have we gone to any 5 GHz Client other than business. I have 15 towers and each has at least 2 paths in and out for redundancy. So that is 35+ Links. Most are 5 miles or more so not an AF24 candidate in my rain zone. I can't afford to just go out and buy $175,000 worth of licensed backhauls. But for the price of one Licensed link I can buy 2.5- 5GHz links (AF5, Mimosa, or whoever) saving me $100,000 when all is said and done. Would I prefer to do all licensed and save all the 5GHz for Customer? Heck Yes!! But that is not the reality I live in. Steve Barnes General Manager PCSWIN.comhttp://PCSWIN.com http://PCSWIN.com Howard LLC. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 2:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) I guess... all this backhauling in 5GHz is just making me nauseous. On 8/6/14, 1:48 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Higher one way throughput. More channels to choose from. DFS hit doesn't take your link down
Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)
For the right price, I imagine =P Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 10:42 AM, Jaime Fink ja...@mimosa.co wrote: Ha ha. You meant us. No, the guy that owns .com wasn't willing to sell it. We're in Campbell in Silicon Valley. On Aug 8, 2014, at 7:26 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Colombia? http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1766737.1398290195!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/gallery_1200/sofia-vergara-1998.jpg - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Friday, August 8, 2014 9:23:29 AM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) Off topic, are you guys based in Columbia? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Aug 8, 2014 10:19 AM, Jaime Fink ja...@mimosa.co wrote: Different sync settings need to be on a different channel set to avoid interference. But that does not limit the use of differing configurations beyond a single group. On Aug 8, 2014, at 7:14 AM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: How does sync work if I have a 50/50 and a 75/25 radio on the same tower? Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 8/8/14, 10:12 AM, Jaime Fink wrote: GPS and GLONASS receiver are hard integrated in every product, the addition of the 2nd satellite network significantly increases reception, and the receiver is strategically places at the top of the enclosure for clearest reception. The implementation is integrated with an advanced custom GPSDO for 1PPS high precision, and radio groups A/B across the network of Mimosa radios switch TX/RX on the GPS epoch rise and fall. TDMA sync modes allow 50/50 split or 75/25 split for enhanced downstream, and window size adjustability from 2-8ms to optimize speed versus latency choices. For non sync modes, auto TDMA adjusts up/down dynamically and avoids fixing the bandwidth. Cheers, Jaime On Aug 8, 2014, at 7:02 AM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com mailto:li...@wavelinc.com wrote: How does Mimosa get GPS Sync? Does it have a GPS receiver built into every radio or is there an external source? Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com http://www.wavelinc.com/ tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: I totally understand, Steve. What I'm saying is now you have folks throwing up 5GHz 40MHz backhauls ew. I guess we'll say. It's nice the options are out there, but I wish they could be saved for use in the hands of WISPs only. On 8/6/14, 2:17 PM, Steve Barnes wrote: Matt, nausea can be fixed with realism. I have used nothing but 5GHz backhauls for 8 years. Only in the last 2 years have we gone to any 5 GHz Client other than business. I have 15 towers and each has at least 2 paths in and out for redundancy. So that is 35+ Links. Most are 5 miles or more so not an AF24 candidate in my rain zone. I can't afford to just go out and buy $175,000 worth of licensed backhauls. But for the price of one Licensed link I can buy 2.5- 5GHz links (AF5, Mimosa, or whoever) saving me $100,000 when all is said and done. Would I prefer to do all licensed and save all the 5GHz for Customer? Heck Yes!! But that is not the reality I live in. Steve Barnes General Manager PCSWIN.com http://PCSWIN.com Howard LLC. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 2:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) I guess... all this backhauling in 5GHz is just making me nauseous. On 8/6/14, 1:48 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Higher one way throughput. More channels to choose from. DFS hit doesn't take your link down. External antennas. Once you add in those external antennas, there are a ton of things that vary like X-pol and F/B. Lower power consumption. Standard PoE. Etc. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https
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Colombia + Champagne + Orange Juice = Nice!!! Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Date: Friday, August 8, 2014 at 10:37 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) Their domain is .co which is the country TLD for Columbia. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Aug 8, 2014 10:26 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.netmailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Colombia? http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1766737.1398290195!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/gallery_1200/sofia-vergara-1998.jpg - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/ICSIL From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, August 8, 2014 9:23:29 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) Off topic, are you guys based in Columbia? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Aug 8, 2014 10:19 AM, Jaime Fink ja...@mimosa.comailto:ja...@mimosa.co wrote: Different sync settings need to be on a different channel set to avoid interference. But that does not limit the use of differing configurations beyond a single group. On Aug 8, 2014, at 7:14 AM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.commailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: How does sync work if I have a 50/50 and a 75/25 radio on the same tower? Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312tel:%2B1%20%28570%29%20723-7312 On 8/8/14, 10:12 AM, Jaime Fink wrote: GPS and GLONASS receiver are hard integrated in every product, the addition of the 2nd satellite network significantly increases reception, and the receiver is strategically places at the top of the enclosure for clearest reception. The implementation is integrated with an advanced custom GPSDO for 1PPS high precision, and radio groups A/B across the network of Mimosa radios switch TX/RX on the GPS epoch rise and fall. TDMA sync modes allow 50/50 split or 75/25 split for enhanced downstream, and window size adjustability from 2-8ms to optimize speed versus latency choices. For non sync modes, auto TDMA adjusts up/down dynamically and avoids fixing the bandwidth. Cheers, Jaime On Aug 8, 2014, at 7:02 AM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.commailto:li...@wavelinc.com mailto:li...@wavelinc.commailto:li...@wavelinc.com wrote: How does Mimosa get GPS Sync? Does it have a GPS receiver built into every radio or is there an external source? Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com http://www.wavelinc.com/ tel. 419-562-6405tel:419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110tel:419-617-0110 On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.commailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.commailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: I totally understand, Steve. What I'm saying is now you have folks throwing up 5GHz 40MHz backhauls ew. I guess we'll say. It's nice the options are out there, but I wish they could be saved for use in the hands of WISPs only. On 8/6/14, 2:17 PM, Steve Barnes wrote: Matt, nausea can be fixed with realism. I have used nothing but 5GHz backhauls for 8 years. Only in the last 2 years have we gone to any 5 GHz Client other than business. I have 15 towers and each has at least 2 paths in and out for redundancy. So that is 35+ Links. Most are 5 miles or more so not an AF24 candidate in my rain zone. I can't afford to just go out and buy $175,000 worth of licensed backhauls. But for the price of one Licensed link I can buy 2.5- 5GHz links (AF5, Mimosa, or whoever) saving me $100,000 when all is said and done. Would I prefer to do all licensed and save all the 5GHz for Customer? Heck Yes!! But that is not the reality I live in. Steve Barnes General Manager PCSWIN.com http://PCSWIN.com Howard LLC. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun
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Shockingly no. An individual that loves his domain and not a fan of capitalism! Besides, it's just not worth it anymore with google. We pretty much own SEO on Mimosa over all those champagne and orange juice sites ;) On Aug 8, 2014, at 7:44 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: For the right price, I imagine =P Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 10:42 AM, Jaime Fink ja...@mimosa.comailto:ja...@mimosa.co wrote: Ha ha. You meant us. No, the guy that owns .com wasn't willing to sell it. We're in Campbell in Silicon Valley. On Aug 8, 2014, at 7:26 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.netmailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Colombia? http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1766737.1398290195!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/gallery_1200/sofia-vergara-1998.jpg - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/ICSIL From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, August 8, 2014 9:23:29 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) Off topic, are you guys based in Columbia? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Aug 8, 2014 10:19 AM, Jaime Fink ja...@mimosa.comailto:ja...@mimosa.co wrote: Different sync settings need to be on a different channel set to avoid interference. But that does not limit the use of differing configurations beyond a single group. On Aug 8, 2014, at 7:14 AM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.commailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: How does sync work if I have a 50/50 and a 75/25 radio on the same tower? Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312tel:%2B1%20%28570%29%20723-7312 On 8/8/14, 10:12 AM, Jaime Fink wrote: GPS and GLONASS receiver are hard integrated in every product, the addition of the 2nd satellite network significantly increases reception, and the receiver is strategically places at the top of the enclosure for clearest reception. The implementation is integrated with an advanced custom GPSDO for 1PPS high precision, and radio groups A/B across the network of Mimosa radios switch TX/RX on the GPS epoch rise and fall. TDMA sync modes allow 50/50 split or 75/25 split for enhanced downstream, and window size adjustability from 2-8ms to optimize speed versus latency choices. For non sync modes, auto TDMA adjusts up/down dynamically and avoids fixing the bandwidth. Cheers, Jaime On Aug 8, 2014, at 7:02 AM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.commailto:li...@wavelinc.com mailto:li...@wavelinc.commailto:li...@wavelinc.com wrote: How does Mimosa get GPS Sync? Does it have a GPS receiver built into every radio or is there an external source? Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com http://www.wavelinc.com/ tel. 419-562-6405tel:419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110tel:419-617-0110 On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.commailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.commailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: I totally understand, Steve. What I'm saying is now you have folks throwing up 5GHz 40MHz backhauls ew. I guess we'll say. It's nice the options are out there, but I wish they could be saved for use in the hands of WISPs only. On 8/6/14, 2:17 PM, Steve Barnes wrote: Matt, nausea can be fixed with realism. I have used nothing but 5GHz backhauls for 8 years. Only in the last 2 years have we gone to any 5 GHz Client other than business. I have 15 towers and each has at least 2 paths in and out for redundancy. So that is 35+ Links. Most are 5 miles or more so not an AF24 candidate in my rain zone. I can't afford to just go out and buy $175,000 worth of licensed backhauls. But for the price of one Licensed link I can buy 2.5- 5GHz links (AF5, Mimosa, or whoever) saving me $100,000 when all is said and done. Would I prefer to do all licensed and save all the 5GHz for Customer? Heck Yes!! But that is not the reality I live in. Steve Barnes General Manager PCSWIN.comhttp://PCSWIN.com http://PCSWIN.com Howard LLC. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
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On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 11:23 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Off topic, are you guys based in Columbia? .co, .me, .tv, .io, .tk and a few other country-code TLDs adopted a generic way of selling, so only a few .co domains are from people from Colombia. It only shows that they preferred to invest in product design instead of buying the domain from the company that once used mimosa.com. Rubens ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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Oh I understand. Look at Nissan.com Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Aug 8, 2014 11:04 AM, Rubens Kuhl rube...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 11:23 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Off topic, are you guys based in Columbia? .co, .me, .tv, .io, .tk and a few other country-code TLDs adopted a generic way of selling, so only a few .co domains are from people from Colombia. It only shows that they preferred to invest in product design instead of buying the domain from the company that once used mimosa.com. Rubens ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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And GLONASS works better than GPS in higher northern latitudes (aka: Alaska) :P Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 08/08/2014 06:12 AM, Jaime Fink wrote: GPS and GLONASS receiver are hard integrated in every product, the addition of the 2nd satellite network significantly increases reception, and the receiver is strategically places at the top of the enclosure for clearest reception. The implementation is integrated with an advanced custom GPSDO for 1PPS high precision, and radio groups A/B across the network of Mimosa radios switch TX/RX on the GPS epoch rise and fall. TDMA sync modes allow 50/50 split or 75/25 split for enhanced downstream, and window size adjustability from 2-8ms to optimize speed versus latency choices. For non sync modes, auto TDMA adjusts up/down dynamically and avoids fixing the bandwidth. Cheers, Jaime On Aug 8, 2014, at 7:02 AM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com mailto:li...@wavelinc.com wrote: How does Mimosa get GPS Sync? Does it have a GPS receiver built into every radio or is there an external source? Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com http://www.wavelinc.com/ tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: I totally understand, Steve. What I'm saying is now you have folks throwing up 5GHz 40MHz backhauls ew. I guess we'll say. It's nice the options are out there, but I wish they could be saved for use in the hands of WISPs only. On 8/6/14, 2:17 PM, Steve Barnes wrote: Matt, nausea can be fixed with realism. I have used nothing but 5GHz backhauls for 8 years. Only in the last 2 years have we gone to any 5 GHz Client other than business. I have 15 towers and each has at least 2 paths in and out for redundancy. So that is 35+ Links. Most are 5 miles or more so not an AF24 candidate in my rain zone. I can't afford to just go out and buy $175,000 worth of licensed backhauls. But for the price of one Licensed link I can buy 2.5- 5GHz links (AF5, Mimosa, or whoever) saving me $100,000 when all is said and done. Would I prefer to do all licensed and save all the 5GHz for Customer? Heck Yes!! But that is not the reality I live in. Steve Barnes General Manager PCSWIN.com http://PCSWIN.com Howard LLC. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 2:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) I guess... all this backhauling in 5GHz is just making me nauseous. On 8/6/14, 1:48 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Higher one way throughput. More channels to choose from. DFS hit doesn't take your link down. External antennas. Once you add in those external antennas, there are a ton of things that vary like X-pol and F/B. Lower power consumption. Standard PoE. Etc. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentC omputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent- computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL -- -- *From: *Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Wednesday, August 6, 2014 12:40:36 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) THanks Josh! I'm not sure this puts the Mimosa device in a positive spot light? H/V instead of cross-slant antennas. Pretty bad F/B compared to the airFiber. And latency is higher than an airFiber What's the amazing thing about this new device? On 8/5/14, 6:16 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gurmZ2nJru0e87DZuGxfipTB326NiP OTkLXNIXBDfdc/edit?usp=sharing submit comments for approval / additions please I'm waiting back on UBNT to help further fill in the chart, and some of it I'm lazy on. TODO: For sure, add bandwidth / distance / modulation / signal / channel width table Also, would like to hear Mimosa's PPS count, and see any results of an RFC2544 test (which normally eats most wireless gear alive
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Everything old is new again. Back in the day the STANDARD was the Western Multiplex Tsunami, which chewed up 100 MHz of 5 GHz ISM (upper 5 GHz) spectrum...and everything in its path. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 4:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) Yes... but not normally on 80MHz wide channels... On 8/6/14, 4:54 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: It is by far and away the most prevalent method... ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentC omputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent- computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL -- -- *From: *Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Wednesday, August 6, 2014 1:03:11 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) I guess... all this backhauling in 5GHz is just making me nauseous. On 8/6/14, 1:48 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Higher one way throughput. More channels to choose from. DFS hit doesn't take your link down. External antennas. Once you add in those external antennas, there are a ton of things that vary like X-pol and F/B. Lower power consumption. Standard PoE. Etc. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentC omputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent- computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL - --- *From: *Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Wednesday, August 6, 2014 12:40:36 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) THanks Josh! I'm not sure this puts the Mimosa device in a positive spot light? H/V instead of cross-slant antennas. Pretty bad F/B compared to the airFiber. And latency is higher than an airFiber What's the amazing thing about this new device? On 8/5/14, 6:16 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gurmZ2nJru0e87DZuGxfipTB326NiP OTkLXNIXBDfdc/edit?usp=sharing submit comments for approval / additions please I'm waiting back on UBNT to help further fill in the chart, and some of it I'm lazy on. TODO: For sure, add bandwidth / distance / modulation / signal / channel width table Also, would like to hear Mimosa's PPS count, and see any results of an RFC2544 test (which normally eats most wireless gear alive). ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)
Hey! A Patrick sighting! Regards, Jeff Broadwick Bitlomat Sales Director 847-238-2481 Office 574-220-7826 Cell www.bitlomat.com https://www.facebook.com/Bitlomat http://www.linkedin.com/company/bitlomat -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2014 11:49 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) Everything old is new again. Back in the day the STANDARD was the Western Multiplex Tsunami, which chewed up 100 MHz of 5 GHz ISM (upper 5 GHz) spectrum...and everything in its path. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 4:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) Yes... but not normally on 80MHz wide channels... On 8/6/14, 4:54 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: It is by far and away the most prevalent method... ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentC omputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent- computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL -- -- *From: *Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Wednesday, August 6, 2014 1:03:11 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) I guess... all this backhauling in 5GHz is just making me nauseous. On 8/6/14, 1:48 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Higher one way throughput. More channels to choose from. DFS hit doesn't take your link down. External antennas. Once you add in those external antennas, there are a ton of things that vary like X-pol and F/B. Lower power consumption. Standard PoE. Etc. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentC omputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent- computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL - --- *From: *Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Wednesday, August 6, 2014 12:40:36 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) THanks Josh! I'm not sure this puts the Mimosa device in a positive spot light? H/V instead of cross-slant antennas. Pretty bad F/B compared to the airFiber. And latency is higher than an airFiber What's the amazing thing about this new device? On 8/5/14, 6:16 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gurmZ2nJru0e87DZuGxfipTB326NiP OTkLXNIXBDfdc/edit?usp=sharing submit comments for approval / additions please I'm waiting back on UBNT to help further fill in the chart, and some of it I'm lazy on. TODO: For sure, add bandwidth / distance / modulation / signal / channel width table Also, would like to hear Mimosa's PPS count, and see any results of an RFC2544 test (which normally eats most wireless gear alive). ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)
With a size 15 shoe, it's a bit like a sasquatch sighting, only more rare... Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2014 12:07 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) Hey! A Patrick sighting! Regards, Jeff Broadwick Bitlomat Sales Director 847-238-2481 Office 574-220-7826 Cell www.bitlomat.com https://www.facebook.com/Bitlomat http://www.linkedin.com/company/bitlomat -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2014 11:49 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) Everything old is new again. Back in the day the STANDARD was the Western Multiplex Tsunami, which chewed up 100 MHz of 5 GHz ISM (upper 5 GHz) spectrum...and everything in its path. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 4:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) Yes... but not normally on 80MHz wide channels... On 8/6/14, 4:54 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: It is by far and away the most prevalent method... ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentC omputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent- computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL -- -- *From: *Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Wednesday, August 6, 2014 1:03:11 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) I guess... all this backhauling in 5GHz is just making me nauseous. On 8/6/14, 1:48 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Higher one way throughput. More channels to choose from. DFS hit doesn't take your link down. External antennas. Once you add in those external antennas, there are a ton of things that vary like X-pol and F/B. Lower power consumption. Standard PoE. Etc. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentC omputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent- computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL - --- *From: *Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Wednesday, August 6, 2014 12:40:36 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) THanks Josh! I'm not sure this puts the Mimosa device in a positive spot light? H/V instead of cross-slant antennas. Pretty bad F/B compared to the airFiber. And latency is higher than an airFiber What's the amazing thing about this new device? On 8/5/14, 6:16 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gurmZ2nJru0e87DZuGxfipTB326NiP OTkLXNIXBDfdc/edit?usp=sharing submit comments for approval / additions please I'm waiting back on UBNT to help further fill in the chart, and some of it I'm lazy on. TODO: For sure, add bandwidth / distance / modulation / signal / channel width table Also, would like to hear Mimosa's PPS count, and see any results of an RFC2544 test (which normally eats most wireless gear alive). ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals
Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)
Patrick, I've never met you, but now you know what I'll be expecting when I do happen to meet you! LOL On 08/07/2014 09:25 AM, Patrick Leary wrote: With a size 15 shoe, it's a bit like a sasquatch sighting, only more rare... Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2014 12:07 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) Hey! A Patrick sighting! Regards, Jeff Broadwick Bitlomat Sales Director 847-238-2481 Office 574-220-7826 Cell www.bitlomat.com https://www.facebook.com/Bitlomat http://www.linkedin.com/company/bitlomat -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2014 11:49 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) Everything old is new again. Back in the day the STANDARD was the Western Multiplex Tsunami, which chewed up 100 MHz of 5 GHz ISM (upper 5 GHz) spectrum...and everything in its path. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 4:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) Yes... but not normally on 80MHz wide channels... On 8/6/14, 4:54 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: It is by far and away the most prevalent method... ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentC omputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent- computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL -- -- *From: *Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Wednesday, August 6, 2014 1:03:11 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) I guess... all this backhauling in 5GHz is just making me nauseous. On 8/6/14, 1:48 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Higher one way throughput. More channels to choose from. DFS hit doesn't take your link down. External antennas. Once you add in those external antennas, there are a ton of things that vary like X-pol and F/B. Lower power consumption. Standard PoE. Etc. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentC omputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent- computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL - --- *From: *Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Wednesday, August 6, 2014 12:40:36 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) THanks Josh! I'm not sure this puts the Mimosa device in a positive spot light? H/V instead of cross-slant antennas. Pretty bad F/B compared to the airFiber. And latency is higher than an airFiber What's the amazing thing about this new device? On 8/5/14, 6:16 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gurmZ2nJru0e87DZuGxfipTB326NiP OTkLXNIXBDfdc/edit?usp=sharing submit comments for approval / additions please I'm waiting back on UBNT to help further fill in the chart, and some of it I'm lazy on. TODO: For sure, add bandwidth / distance / modulation / signal / channel width table Also, would like to hear Mimosa's PPS count, and see any results of an RFC2544 test (which normally eats most wireless gear alive). ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses
Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)
Bring jerky. On 08/07/2014 11:35 AM, Robert wrote: Patrick, I've never met you, but now you know what I'll be expecting when I do happen to meet you! LOL On 08/07/2014 09:25 AM, Patrick Leary wrote: With a size 15 shoe, it's a bit like a sasquatch sighting, only more rare... Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2014 12:07 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) Hey! A Patrick sighting! Regards, Jeff Broadwick Bitlomat Sales Director 847-238-2481 Office 574-220-7826 Cell www.bitlomat.com https://www.facebook.com/Bitlomat http://www.linkedin.com/company/bitlomat -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2014 11:49 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) Everything old is new again. Back in the day the STANDARD was the Western Multiplex Tsunami, which chewed up 100 MHz of 5 GHz ISM (upper 5 GHz) spectrum...and everything in its path. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 4:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) Yes... but not normally on 80MHz wide channels... On 8/6/14, 4:54 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: It is by far and away the most prevalent method... ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentC omputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent- computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL -- -- *From: *Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Wednesday, August 6, 2014 1:03:11 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) I guess... all this backhauling in 5GHz is just making me nauseous. On 8/6/14, 1:48 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Higher one way throughput. More channels to choose from. DFS hit doesn't take your link down. External antennas. Once you add in those external antennas, there are a ton of things that vary like X-pol and F/B. Lower power consumption. Standard PoE. Etc. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentC omputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent- computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL - --- *From: *Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Wednesday, August 6, 2014 12:40:36 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) THanks Josh! I'm not sure this puts the Mimosa device in a positive spot light? H/V instead of cross-slant antennas. Pretty bad F/B compared to the airFiber. And latency is higher than an airFiber What's the amazing thing about this new device? On 8/5/14, 6:16 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gurmZ2nJru0e87DZuGxfipTB326NiP OTkLXNIXBDfdc/edit?usp=sharing submit comments for approval / additions please I'm waiting back on UBNT to help further fill in the chart, and some of it I'm lazy on. TODO: For sure, add bandwidth / distance / modulation / signal / channel width table Also, would like to hear Mimosa's PPS count, and see any results of an RFC2544 test (which normally eats most wireless gear alive). ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses
Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)
Guinness. Far more effective. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Sam Tetherow Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2014 12:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) Bring jerky. On 08/07/2014 11:35 AM, Robert wrote: Patrick, I've never met you, but now you know what I'll be expecting when I do happen to meet you! LOL On 08/07/2014 09:25 AM, Patrick Leary wrote: With a size 15 shoe, it's a bit like a sasquatch sighting, only more rare... Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2014 12:07 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) Hey! A Patrick sighting! Regards, Jeff Broadwick Bitlomat Sales Director 847-238-2481 Office 574-220-7826 Cell www.bitlomat.com https://www.facebook.com/Bitlomat http://www.linkedin.com/company/bitlomat -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2014 11:49 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) Everything old is new again. Back in the day the STANDARD was the Western Multiplex Tsunami, which chewed up 100 MHz of 5 GHz ISM (upper 5 GHz) spectrum...and everything in its path. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 4:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) Yes... but not normally on 80MHz wide channels... On 8/6/14, 4:54 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: It is by far and away the most prevalent method... ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+Intelligen tC omputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligen omputingSolutionsDeKalbt- computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL -- -- *From: *Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Wednesday, August 6, 2014 1:03:11 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) I guess... all this backhauling in 5GHz is just making me nauseous. On 8/6/14, 1:48 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Higher one way throughput. More channels to choose from. DFS hit doesn't take your link down. External antennas. Once you add in those external antennas, there are a ton of things that vary like X-pol and F/B. Lower power consumption. Standard PoE. Etc. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+Intelligen tC omputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligen omputingSolutionsDeKalbt- computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL --- -- --- *From: *Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Wednesday, August 6, 2014 12:40:36 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) THanks Josh! I'm not sure this puts the Mimosa device in a positive spot light? H/V instead of cross-slant antennas. Pretty bad F/B compared to the airFiber. And latency is higher than an airFiber What's the amazing thing about this new device? On 8/5/14, 6:16 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gurmZ2nJru0e87DZuGxfipTB326N iP OTkLXNIXBDfdc/edit?usp=sharing submit comments for approval / additions please I'm waiting back on UBNT to help further fill in the chart, and some of it I'm lazy on. TODO: For sure, add bandwidth / distance / modulation / signal / channel width table Also, would like to hear Mimosa's PPS count, and see any results of an RFC2544 test (which normally eats most wireless gear alive). ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)
THanks Josh! I'm not sure this puts the Mimosa device in a positive spot light? H/V instead of cross-slant antennas. Pretty bad F/B compared to the airFiber. And latency is higher than an airFiber What's the amazing thing about this new device? On 8/5/14, 6:16 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gurmZ2nJru0e87DZuGxfipTB326NiPOTkLXNIXBDfdc/edit?usp=sharing submit comments for approval / additions please I'm waiting back on UBNT to help further fill in the chart, and some of it I'm lazy on. TODO: For sure, add bandwidth / distance / modulation / signal / channel width table Also, would like to hear Mimosa's PPS count, and see any results of an RFC2544 test (which normally eats most wireless gear alive). ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)
Higher one way throughput. More channels to choose from. DFS hit doesn't take your link down. External antennas. Once you add in those external antennas, there are a ton of things that vary like X-pol and F/B. Lower power consumption. Standard PoE. Etc. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 6, 2014 12:40:36 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) THanks Josh! I'm not sure this puts the Mimosa device in a positive spot light? H/V instead of cross-slant antennas. Pretty bad F/B compared to the airFiber. And latency is higher than an airFiber What's the amazing thing about this new device? On 8/5/14, 6:16 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gurmZ2nJru0e87DZuGxfipTB326NiPOTkLXNIXBDfdc/edit?usp=sharing submit comments for approval / additions please I'm waiting back on UBNT to help further fill in the chart, and some of it I'm lazy on. TODO: For sure, add bandwidth / distance / modulation / signal / channel width table Also, would like to hear Mimosa's PPS count, and see any results of an RFC2544 test (which normally eats most wireless gear alive). ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)
I guess... all this backhauling in 5GHz is just making me nauseous. On 8/6/14, 1:48 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Higher one way throughput. More channels to choose from. DFS hit doesn't take your link down. External antennas. Once you add in those external antennas, there are a ton of things that vary like X-pol and F/B. Lower power consumption. Standard PoE. Etc. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Wednesday, August 6, 2014 12:40:36 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) THanks Josh! I'm not sure this puts the Mimosa device in a positive spot light? H/V instead of cross-slant antennas. Pretty bad F/B compared to the airFiber. And latency is higher than an airFiber What's the amazing thing about this new device? On 8/5/14, 6:16 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gurmZ2nJru0e87DZuGxfipTB326NiPOTkLXNIXBDfdc/edit?usp=sharing submit comments for approval / additions please I'm waiting back on UBNT to help further fill in the chart, and some of it I'm lazy on. TODO: For sure, add bandwidth / distance / modulation / signal / channel width table Also, would like to hear Mimosa's PPS count, and see any results of an RFC2544 test (which normally eats most wireless gear alive). ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)
Matt, nausea can be fixed with realism. I have used nothing but 5GHz backhauls for 8 years. Only in the last 2 years have we gone to any 5 GHz Client other than business. I have 15 towers and each has at least 2 paths in and out for redundancy. So that is 35+ Links. Most are 5 miles or more so not an AF24 candidate in my rain zone. I can't afford to just go out and buy $175,000 worth of licensed backhauls. But for the price of one Licensed link I can buy 2.5- 5GHz links (AF5, Mimosa, or whoever) saving me $100,000 when all is said and done. Would I prefer to do all licensed and save all the 5GHz for Customer? Heck Yes!! But that is not the reality I live in. Steve Barnes General Manager PCSWIN.com Howard LLC. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 2:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) I guess... all this backhauling in 5GHz is just making me nauseous. On 8/6/14, 1:48 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Higher one way throughput. More channels to choose from. DFS hit doesn't take your link down. External antennas. Once you add in those external antennas, there are a ton of things that vary like X-pol and F/B. Lower power consumption. Standard PoE. Etc. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentC omputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent- computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL -- -- *From: *Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Wednesday, August 6, 2014 12:40:36 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) THanks Josh! I'm not sure this puts the Mimosa device in a positive spot light? H/V instead of cross-slant antennas. Pretty bad F/B compared to the airFiber. And latency is higher than an airFiber What's the amazing thing about this new device? On 8/5/14, 6:16 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gurmZ2nJru0e87DZuGxfipTB326NiP OTkLXNIXBDfdc/edit?usp=sharing submit comments for approval / additions please I'm waiting back on UBNT to help further fill in the chart, and some of it I'm lazy on. TODO: For sure, add bandwidth / distance / modulation / signal / channel width table Also, would like to hear Mimosa's PPS count, and see any results of an RFC2544 test (which normally eats most wireless gear alive). ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)
I totally understand, Steve. What I'm saying is now you have folks throwing up 5GHz 40MHz backhauls ew. I guess we'll say. It's nice the options are out there, but I wish they could be saved for use in the hands of WISPs only. On 8/6/14, 2:17 PM, Steve Barnes wrote: Matt, nausea can be fixed with realism. I have used nothing but 5GHz backhauls for 8 years. Only in the last 2 years have we gone to any 5 GHz Client other than business. I have 15 towers and each has at least 2 paths in and out for redundancy. So that is 35+ Links. Most are 5 miles or more so not an AF24 candidate in my rain zone. I can't afford to just go out and buy $175,000 worth of licensed backhauls. But for the price of one Licensed link I can buy 2.5- 5GHz links (AF5, Mimosa, or whoever) saving me $100,000 when all is said and done. Would I prefer to do all licensed and save all the 5GHz for Customer? Heck Yes!! But that is not the reality I live in. Steve Barnes General Manager PCSWIN.com Howard LLC. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 2:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) I guess... all this backhauling in 5GHz is just making me nauseous. On 8/6/14, 1:48 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Higher one way throughput. More channels to choose from. DFS hit doesn't take your link down. External antennas. Once you add in those external antennas, there are a ton of things that vary like X-pol and F/B. Lower power consumption. Standard PoE. Etc. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentC omputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent- computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL -- -- *From: *Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Wednesday, August 6, 2014 12:40:36 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) THanks Josh! I'm not sure this puts the Mimosa device in a positive spot light? H/V instead of cross-slant antennas. Pretty bad F/B compared to the airFiber. And latency is higher than an airFiber What's the amazing thing about this new device? On 8/5/14, 6:16 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gurmZ2nJru0e87DZuGxfipTB326NiP OTkLXNIXBDfdc/edit?usp=sharing submit comments for approval / additions please I'm waiting back on UBNT to help further fill in the chart, and some of it I'm lazy on. TODO: For sure, add bandwidth / distance / modulation / signal / channel width table Also, would like to hear Mimosa's PPS count, and see any results of an RFC2544 test (which normally eats most wireless gear alive). ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)
I'm right there with ya Matt. Steve, Do you have any competitors in your area? City/County/Government putting up 5ghz? Around here there are 7 (including us) using 5ghz in a WISP/Managed services capacity. Add on the city doing a 1-3 antennas on every major intersection in town for traffic light control plus some of their own inter building connections and it's VERY busy in the main part of town. It's driving us to licensed links to get the bandwidth out of our data center where we can use DFS to make short jumps to sub towers. Last week a competitor (wispa member) fired up a 5ghz link and took down an entire tower for us until we moved to a DFS channel then eventually they turned it off and we moved back to our original channel. Unfortunately because of the distance to this tower I can't use DFS legally and because of channel usage don't have a second link. (sucks) On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 1:19 PM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: I totally understand, Steve. What I'm saying is now you have folks throwing up 5GHz 40MHz backhauls ew. I guess we'll say. It's nice the options are out there, but I wish they could be saved for use in the hands of WISPs only. On 8/6/14, 2:17 PM, Steve Barnes wrote: Matt, nausea can be fixed with realism. I have used nothing but 5GHz backhauls for 8 years. Only in the last 2 years have we gone to any 5 GHz Client other than business. I have 15 towers and each has at least 2 paths in and out for redundancy. So that is 35+ Links. Most are 5 miles or more so not an AF24 candidate in my rain zone. I can't afford to just go out and buy $175,000 worth of licensed backhauls. But for the price of one Licensed link I can buy 2.5- 5GHz links (AF5, Mimosa, or whoever) saving me $100,000 when all is said and done. Would I prefer to do all licensed and save all the 5GHz for Customer? Heck Yes!! But that is not the reality I live in. Steve Barnes General Manager PCSWIN.com Howard LLC. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 2:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) I guess... all this backhauling in 5GHz is just making me nauseous. On 8/6/14, 1:48 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Higher one way throughput. More channels to choose from. DFS hit doesn't take your link down. External antennas. Once you add in those external antennas, there are a ton of things that vary like X-pol and F/B. Lower power consumption. Standard PoE. Etc. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentC omputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent- computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL -- -- *From: *Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Wednesday, August 6, 2014 12:40:36 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) THanks Josh! I'm not sure this puts the Mimosa device in a positive spot light? H/V instead of cross-slant antennas. Pretty bad F/B compared to the airFiber. And latency is higher than an airFiber What's the amazing thing about this new device? On 8/5/14, 6:16 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gurmZ2nJru0e87DZuGxfipTB326NiP OTkLXNIXBDfdc/edit?usp=sharing submit comments for approval / additions please I'm waiting back on UBNT to help further fill in the chart, and some of it I'm lazy on. TODO: For sure, add bandwidth / distance / modulation / signal / channel width table Also, would like to hear Mimosa's PPS count, and see any results of an RFC2544 test (which normally eats most wireless gear alive). ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Adair Winter VP of Network Operations / Owner Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 C: 806.231.7180 http://www.amarillowireless.net ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http
Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)
No I wrapped of the County and the City for the most they use me. Steve Barnes General Manager PCSWIN.com Howard LLC. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Adair Winter Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 2:39 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) I'm right there with ya Matt. Steve, Do you have any competitors in your area? City/County/Government putting up 5ghz? Around here there are 7 (including us) using 5ghz in a WISP/Managed services capacity. Add on the city doing a 1-3 antennas on every major intersection in town for traffic light control plus some of their own inter building connections and it's VERY busy in the main part of town. It's driving us to licensed links to get the bandwidth out of our data center where we can use DFS to make short jumps to sub towers. Last week a competitor (wispa member) fired up a 5ghz link and took down an entire tower for us until we moved to a DFS channel then eventually they turned it off and we moved back to our original channel. Unfortunately because of the distance to this tower I can't use DFS legally and because of channel usage don't have a second link. (sucks) On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 1:19 PM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.commailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: I totally understand, Steve. What I'm saying is now you have folks throwing up 5GHz 40MHz backhauls ew. I guess we'll say. It's nice the options are out there, but I wish they could be saved for use in the hands of WISPs only. On 8/6/14, 2:17 PM, Steve Barnes wrote: Matt, nausea can be fixed with realism. I have used nothing but 5GHz backhauls for 8 years. Only in the last 2 years have we gone to any 5 GHz Client other than business. I have 15 towers and each has at least 2 paths in and out for redundancy. So that is 35+ Links. Most are 5 miles or more so not an AF24 candidate in my rain zone. I can't afford to just go out and buy $175,000 worth of licensed backhauls. But for the price of one Licensed link I can buy 2.5- 5GHz links (AF5, Mimosa, or whoever) saving me $100,000 when all is said and done. Would I prefer to do all licensed and save all the 5GHz for Customer? Heck Yes!! But that is not the reality I live in. Steve Barnes General Manager PCSWIN.com Howard LLC. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 2:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) I guess... all this backhauling in 5GHz is just making me nauseous. On 8/6/14, 1:48 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Higher one way throughput. More channels to choose from. DFS hit doesn't take your link down. External antennas. Once you add in those external antennas, there are a ton of things that vary like X-pol and F/B. Lower power consumption. Standard PoE. Etc. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentC omputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent- computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL -- -- *From: *Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.commailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Wednesday, August 6, 2014 12:40:36 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) THanks Josh! I'm not sure this puts the Mimosa device in a positive spot light? H/V instead of cross-slant antennas. Pretty bad F/B compared to the airFiber. And latency is higher than an airFiber What's the amazing thing about this new device? On 8/5/14, 6:16 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gurmZ2nJru0e87DZuGxfipTB326NiP OTkLXNIXBDfdc/edit?usp=sharing submit comments for approval / additions please I'm waiting back on UBNT to help further fill in the chart, and some of it I'm lazy on. TODO: For sure, add bandwidth / distance / modulation / signal / channel width table Also, would like to hear Mimosa's PPS count, and see any results of an RFC2544 test (which normally eats most wireless gear alive). ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.orgmailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.orgmailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.orgmailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)
The frequency fail over from the dual radios is a golden bonus. I am confused how AirFiber syncs. I thought these were microwave always on. Not tdma GPS clock sync is not the same thing on AirFiber? How are they aware of each others clock cycles when colocated? sent from my phone! On Aug 6, 2014 9:49 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Higher one way throughput. More channels to choose from. DFS hit doesn't take your link down. External antennas. Once you add in those external antennas, there are a ton of things that vary like X-pol and F/B. Lower power consumption. Standard PoE. Etc. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Wednesday, August 6, 2014 12:40:36 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) THanks Josh! I'm not sure this puts the Mimosa device in a positive spot light? H/V instead of cross-slant antennas. Pretty bad F/B compared to the airFiber. And latency is higher than an airFiber What's the amazing thing about this new device? On 8/5/14, 6:16 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gurmZ2nJru0e87DZuGxfipTB326NiPOTkLXNIXBDfdc/edit?usp=sharing submit comments for approval / additions please I'm waiting back on UBNT to help further fill in the chart, and some of it I'm lazy on. TODO: For sure, add bandwidth / distance / modulation / signal / channel width table Also, would like to hear Mimosa's PPS count, and see any results of an RFC2544 test (which normally eats most wireless gear alive). ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)
AF can operate in FDD (full MW) or TDD (hdx with sync) Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Chris Ruschmann ch...@scsalaska.netmailto:ch...@scsalaska.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2014 at 2:02 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) The frequency fail over from the dual radios is a golden bonus. I am confused how AirFiber syncs. I thought these were microwave always on. Not tdma GPS clock sync is not the same thing on AirFiber? How are they aware of each others clock cycles when colocated? sent from my phone! On Aug 6, 2014 9:49 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.netmailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Higher one way throughput. More channels to choose from. DFS hit doesn't take your link down. External antennas. Once you add in those external antennas, there are a ton of things that vary like X-pol and F/B. Lower power consumption. Standard PoE. Etc. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/ICSIL From: Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.commailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 6, 2014 12:40:36 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) THanks Josh! I'm not sure this puts the Mimosa device in a positive spot light? H/V instead of cross-slant antennas. Pretty bad F/B compared to the airFiber. And latency is higher than an airFiber What's the amazing thing about this new device? On 8/5/14, 6:16 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gurmZ2nJru0e87DZuGxfipTB326NiPOTkLXNIXBDfdc/edit?usp=sharing submit comments for approval / additions please I'm waiting back on UBNT to help further fill in the chart, and some of it I'm lazy on. TODO: For sure, add bandwidth / distance / modulation / signal / channel width table Also, would like to hear Mimosa's PPS count, and see any results of an RFC2544 test (which normally eats most wireless gear alive). ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.orgmailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.orgmailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)
Ahh. I missed that option. Thanks :) sent from my phone! On Aug 6, 2014 11:02 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: AF can operate in FDD (full MW) or TDD (hdx with sync) Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Chris Ruschmann ch...@scsalaska.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2014 at 2:02 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) The frequency fail over from the dual radios is a golden bonus. I am confused how AirFiber syncs. I thought these were microwave always on. Not tdma GPS clock sync is not the same thing on AirFiber? How are they aware of each others clock cycles when colocated? sent from my phone! On Aug 6, 2014 9:49 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Higher one way throughput. More channels to choose from. DFS hit doesn't take your link down. External antennas. Once you add in those external antennas, there are a ton of things that vary like X-pol and F/B. Lower power consumption. Standard PoE. Etc. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Wednesday, August 6, 2014 12:40:36 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) THanks Josh! I'm not sure this puts the Mimosa device in a positive spot light? H/V instead of cross-slant antennas. Pretty bad F/B compared to the airFiber. And latency is higher than an airFiber What's the amazing thing about this new device? On 8/5/14, 6:16 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gurmZ2nJru0e87DZuGxfipTB326NiPOTkLXNIXBDfdc/edit?usp=sharing submit comments for approval / additions please I'm waiting back on UBNT to help further fill in the chart, and some of it I'm lazy on. TODO: For sure, add bandwidth / distance / modulation / signal / channel width table Also, would like to hear Mimosa's PPS count, and see any results of an RFC2544 test (which normally eats most wireless gear alive). ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)
It is by far and away the most prevalent method... ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 6, 2014 1:03:11 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) I guess... all this backhauling in 5GHz is just making me nauseous. On 8/6/14, 1:48 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Higher one way throughput. More channels to choose from. DFS hit doesn't take your link down. External antennas. Once you add in those external antennas, there are a ton of things that vary like X-pol and F/B. Lower power consumption. Standard PoE. Etc. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Wednesday, August 6, 2014 12:40:36 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) THanks Josh! I'm not sure this puts the Mimosa device in a positive spot light? H/V instead of cross-slant antennas. Pretty bad F/B compared to the airFiber. And latency is higher than an airFiber What's the amazing thing about this new device? On 8/5/14, 6:16 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gurmZ2nJru0e87DZuGxfipTB326NiPOTkLXNIXBDfdc/edit?usp=sharing submit comments for approval / additions please I'm waiting back on UBNT to help further fill in the chart, and some of it I'm lazy on. TODO: For sure, add bandwidth / distance / modulation / signal / channel width table Also, would like to hear Mimosa's PPS count, and see any results of an RFC2544 test (which normally eats most wireless gear alive). ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)
Yes... but not normally on 80MHz wide channels... On 8/6/14, 4:54 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: It is by far and away the most prevalent method... ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Wednesday, August 6, 2014 1:03:11 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) I guess... all this backhauling in 5GHz is just making me nauseous. On 8/6/14, 1:48 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Higher one way throughput. More channels to choose from. DFS hit doesn't take your link down. External antennas. Once you add in those external antennas, there are a ton of things that vary like X-pol and F/B. Lower power consumption. Standard PoE. Etc. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Wednesday, August 6, 2014 12:40:36 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) THanks Josh! I'm not sure this puts the Mimosa device in a positive spot light? H/V instead of cross-slant antennas. Pretty bad F/B compared to the airFiber. And latency is higher than an airFiber What's the amazing thing about this new device? On 8/5/14, 6:16 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gurmZ2nJru0e87DZuGxfipTB326NiPOTkLXNIXBDfdc/edit?usp=sharing submit comments for approval / additions please I'm waiting back on UBNT to help further fill in the chart, and some of it I'm lazy on. TODO: For sure, add bandwidth / distance / modulation / signal / channel width table Also, would like to hear Mimosa's PPS count, and see any results of an RFC2544 test (which normally eats most wireless gear alive). ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)
There are some parts of the country where even with 5 WISPs operating, the 5 GHz band is less congested than the licensed bands. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Adair Winter ada...@amarillowireless.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 6, 2014 1:39:22 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) I'm right there with ya Matt. Steve, Do you have any competitors in your area? City/County/Government putting up 5ghz? Around here there are 7 (including us) using 5ghz in a WISP/Managed services capacity. Add on the city doing a 1-3 antennas on every major intersection in town for traffic light control plus some of their own inter building connections and it's VERY busy in the main part of town. It's driving us to licensed links to get the bandwidth out of our data center where we can use DFS to make short jumps to sub towers. Last week a competitor (wispa member) fired up a 5ghz link and took down an entire tower for us until we moved to a DFS channel then eventually they turned it off and we moved back to our original channel. Unfortunately because of the distance to this tower I can't use DFS legally and because of channel usage don't have a second link. (sucks) On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 1:19 PM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: I totally understand, Steve. What I'm saying is now you have folks throwing up 5GHz 40MHz backhauls ew. I guess we'll say. It's nice the options are out there, but I wish they could be saved for use in the hands of WISPs only. On 8/6/14, 2:17 PM, Steve Barnes wrote: Matt, nausea can be fixed with realism. I have used nothing but 5GHz backhauls for 8 years. Only in the last 2 years have we gone to any 5 GHz Client other than business. I have 15 towers and each has at least 2 paths in and out for redundancy. So that is 35+ Links. Most are 5 miles or more so not an AF24 candidate in my rain zone. I can't afford to just go out and buy $175,000 worth of licensed backhauls. But for the price of one Licensed link I can buy 2.5- 5GHz links (AF5, Mimosa, or whoever) saving me $100,000 when all is said and done. Would I prefer to do all licensed and save all the 5GHz for Customer? Heck Yes!! But that is not the reality I live in. Steve Barnes General Manager PCSWIN.com Howard LLC. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 2:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) I guess... all this backhauling in 5GHz is just making me nauseous. On 8/6/14, 1:48 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Higher one way throughput. More channels to choose from. DFS hit doesn't take your link down. External antennas. Once you add in those external antennas, there are a ton of things that vary like X-pol and F/B. Lower power consumption. Standard PoE. Etc. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentC omputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent- computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- -- *From: *Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Wednesday, August 6, 2014 12:40:36 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) THanks Josh! I'm not sure this puts the Mimosa device in a positive spot light? H/V instead of cross-slant antennas. Pretty bad F/B compared to the airFiber. And latency is higher than an airFiber What's the amazing thing about this new device? On 8/5/14, 6:16 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gurmZ2nJru0e87DZuGxfipTB326NiP OTkLXNIXBDfdc/edit?usp=sharing submit comments for approval / additions please I'm waiting back on UBNT to help further fill in the chart, and some of it I'm lazy on. TODO: For sure, add bandwidth / distance / modulation / signal / channel width table Also, would like to hear Mimosa's PPS count, and see any results of an RFC2544 test (which normally eats most wireless gear alive). ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)
No, but it is on 40. That's about all I use. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 6, 2014 3:54:55 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) Yes... but not normally on 80MHz wide channels... On 8/6/14, 4:54 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: It is by far and away the most prevalent method... ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Wednesday, August 6, 2014 1:03:11 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) I guess... all this backhauling in 5GHz is just making me nauseous. On 8/6/14, 1:48 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Higher one way throughput. More channels to choose from. DFS hit doesn't take your link down. External antennas. Once you add in those external antennas, there are a ton of things that vary like X-pol and F/B. Lower power consumption. Standard PoE. Etc. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Wednesday, August 6, 2014 12:40:36 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) THanks Josh! I'm not sure this puts the Mimosa device in a positive spot light? H/V instead of cross-slant antennas. Pretty bad F/B compared to the airFiber. And latency is higher than an airFiber What's the amazing thing about this new device? On 8/5/14, 6:16 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gurmZ2nJru0e87DZuGxfipTB326NiPOTkLXNIXBDfdc/edit?usp=sharing submit comments for approval / additions please I'm waiting back on UBNT to help further fill in the chart, and some of it I'm lazy on. TODO: For sure, add bandwidth / distance / modulation / signal / channel width table Also, would like to hear Mimosa's PPS count, and see any results of an RFC2544 test (which normally eats most wireless gear alive). ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)
They advertise 1 million, IIRC. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 5, 2014 5:16:39 PM Subject: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gurmZ2nJru0e87DZuGxfipTB326NiPOTkLXNIXBDfdc/edit?usp=sharing submit comments for approval / additions please I'm waiting back on UBNT to help further fill in the chart, and some of it I'm lazy on. TODO: For sure, add bandwidth / distance / modulation / signal / channel width table Also, would like to hear Mimosa's PPS count, and see any results of an RFC2544 test (which normally eats most wireless gear alive). -- Josh Reynolds, CIO SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
