Re: [WISPA] RJ-45 and crimpers

2007-08-16 Thread Tom DeReggi
Personally, I think the secret is not the connector, but just need a good 
undamaged Crimper. They do wear out, and I find that most connector failures 
are due to the Crimper itself.

I do it the old fasion way, with shielded jacks. It works every time.
But then again, I'd still be using MSDOS, if the software industry didn't 
force me to change :-)


Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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Funny, I can do them both in about the same time.

George

Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:

Time George, time.

I can do a connector, perfectly, every time, in 1/4th of the time that it 
takes the old way.


And I NEVER have to redo them.

Yeah it sucks paying $.50 for a connector, but my time and my sanity are 
worth it!


And ONE call back because of a flaky connector covers my connector costs 
for years.


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1999!

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I know those EZ's are easy, but they are expensive.

Why don't you just learn to use the cheap ones and get it right. Why ay 
more if you don't have to?


George

Mike Hammett wrote:
The RJ-45 male connectors and crimpers I use are a PITA sometimes. 
What are some nice connectors and crimpers to use?  The female ends I 
use are really easy to put in the right order (and stay there), they 
don't have to be the exact length, etc.


That said, I'm looking at possibly needing to install some shielded 
cable.  I'd imagine they'd need a connector made for shielded cable. 
Suggestions on this route are appreciated as well.



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Re: [WISPA] RJ-45 and crimpers

2007-08-15 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181

Time George, time.

I can do a connector, perfectly, every time, in 1/4th of the time that it 
takes the old way.


And I NEVER have to redo them.

Yeah it sucks paying $.50 for a connector, but my time and my sanity are 
worth it!


And ONE call back because of a flaky connector covers my connector costs for 
years.


Marlon
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I know those EZ's are easy, but they are expensive.

Why don't you just learn to use the cheap ones and get it right. Why ay 
more if you don't have to?


George

Mike Hammett wrote:
The RJ-45 male connectors and crimpers I use are a PITA sometimes.  What 
are some nice connectors and crimpers to use?  The female ends I use are 
really easy to put in the right order (and stay there), they don't have 
to be the exact length, etc.


That said, I'm looking at possibly needing to install some shielded 
cable.  I'd imagine they'd need a connector made for shielded cable. 
Suggestions on this route are appreciated as well.



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Re: [WISPA] RJ-45 and crimpers

2007-08-15 Thread Matt
We have had a number of EZ connectors fail.  Most/all the ones I saw
fail were traced back to a EZ crimper that when replaced went away.
Not all the pins would sink.  An installer said we also had a bad run
of EZ connectors once.

There not perfect and are certainly pricey.  There about all we use now though.

Matt


 Time George, time.

 I can do a connector, perfectly, every time, in 1/4th of the time that it
 takes the old way.

 And I NEVER have to redo them.

 Yeah it sucks paying $.50 for a connector, but my time and my sanity are
 worth it!

 And ONE call back because of a flaky connector covers my connector costs for
 years.

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RE: [WISPA] RJ-45 and crimpers

2007-08-15 Thread Ralph
The Ezs are great when up on a tower or in a big hurry.  You are just about
100% sure its done right. The cable tester is merely an exercise.
Too bad they don't have a shielded one.  

BTW- I looked up the patent. Its assigned to Paladin tools, the only ones
who also make the crimper. I spoke to them about the cost of the connectors
at a show in Orlando and they pretty much could have cared less. I say: wait
until the Chinese clone them, then watch the prices.

Ralph

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Time George, time.

I can do a connector, perfectly, every time, in 1/4th of the time that it 
takes the old way.

And I NEVER have to redo them.

Yeah it sucks paying $.50 for a connector, but my time and my sanity are 
worth it!

And ONE call back because of a flaky connector covers my connector costs for

years.

Marlon
(509) 982-2181
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] RJ-45 and crimpers


I know those EZ's are easy, but they are expensive.

 Why don't you just learn to use the cheap ones and get it right. Why 
 ay
 more if you don't have to?

 George

 Mike Hammett wrote:
 The RJ-45 male connectors and crimpers I use are a PITA sometimes.  
 What
 are some nice connectors and crimpers to use?  The female ends I use are 
 really easy to put in the right order (and stay there), they don't have 
 to be the exact length, etc.

 That said, I'm looking at possibly needing to install some shielded
 cable.  I'd imagine they'd need a connector made for shielded cable. 
 Suggestions on this route are appreciated as well.


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Re: [WISPA] RJ-45 and crimpers

2007-08-15 Thread George Rogato

Funny, I can do them both in about the same time.

George

Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:

Time George, time.

I can do a connector, perfectly, every time, in 1/4th of the time that 
it takes the old way.


And I NEVER have to redo them.

Yeah it sucks paying $.50 for a connector, but my time and my sanity are 
worth it!


And ONE call back because of a flaky connector covers my connector costs 
for years.


Marlon
(509) 982-2181
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999!
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 2:06 PM
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I know those EZ's are easy, but they are expensive.

Why don't you just learn to use the cheap ones and get it right. Why 
ay more if you don't have to?


George

Mike Hammett wrote:
The RJ-45 male connectors and crimpers I use are a PITA sometimes.  
What are some nice connectors and crimpers to use?  The female ends I 
use are really easy to put in the right order (and stay there), they 
don't have to be the exact length, etc.


That said, I'm looking at possibly needing to install some shielded 
cable.  I'd imagine they'd need a connector made for shielded cable. 
Suggestions on this route are appreciated as well.



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Re: [WISPA] RJ-45 and crimpers

2007-08-15 Thread Ryan Langseth
Can these be easily used with gloves on? If so, I will probably look  
at getting some of these and a couple of the crimpers for winter,   
last winter we had to replace a link in -20 F with a nasty wind we  
were barely able to get it done in the cold.


Ryan

On Aug 15, 2007, at 4:52 PM, George Rogato wrote:


Funny, I can do them both in about the same time.

George

Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:

Time George, time.
I can do a connector, perfectly, every time, in 1/4th of the time  
that it takes the old way.

And I NEVER have to redo them.
Yeah it sucks paying $.50 for a connector, but my time and my  
sanity are worth it!
And ONE call back because of a flaky connector covers my connector  
costs for years.

Marlon
(509) 982-2181
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)WISP Operator  
since 1999!

[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] RJ-45 and crimpers

I know those EZ's are easy, but they are expensive.

Why don't you just learn to use the cheap ones and get it right.  
Why ay more if you don't have to?


George

Mike Hammett wrote:
The RJ-45 male connectors and crimpers I use are a PITA  
sometimes.  What are some nice connectors and crimpers to use?   
The female ends I use are really easy to put in the right order  
(and stay there), they don't have to be the exact length, etc.


That said, I'm looking at possibly needing to install some  
shielded cable.  I'd imagine they'd need a connector made for  
shielded cable. Suggestions on this route are appreciated as well.



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RE: [WISPA] RJ-45 and crimpers

2007-08-14 Thread Smith, Rick

If this is going in that conduit, use gel filled, not shielded.

I'm in love with EZ-RJ45's.  They're expensive - $.55 / connector or so,
but MAN do they save time and you KNOW it's done in the right pattern.

 http://www.telephoneparts.com/product/EZRJ45/EZ-RJ45+Crimping+System

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The RJ-45 male connectors and crimpers I use are a PITA sometimes.  What
are some nice connectors and crimpers to use?  The female ends I use are
really easy to put in the right order (and stay there), they don't have
to be the exact length, etc.

That said, I'm looking at possibly needing to install some shielded
cable.  I'd imagine they'd need a connector made for shielded cable.
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Re: [WISPA] RJ-45 and crimpers

2007-08-14 Thread Dylan Oliver
I second the EZ-RJ45 tools - but get some extra blades for the cutter on the
handle as mine seemed to nick really easily (so it cuts only 7 of 8 wires
cleanly!)

On 8/14/07, Smith, Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 If this is going in that conduit, use gel filled, not shielded.

 I'm in love with EZ-RJ45's.  They're expensive - $.55 / connector or so,
 but MAN do they save time and you KNOW it's done in the right pattern.

 http://www.telephoneparts.com/product/EZRJ45/EZ-RJ45+Crimping+System


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Re: [WISPA] RJ-45 and crimpers

2007-08-14 Thread Mike Hammett
I had asked a short time ago about the type of cable to use in a conduit. 
Someone said indoor will work if it doesn't involve a frost line.  Most said 
standard outdoor in the conduit would work fine.


Previously someone had said to use gel-filled.  Why?


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If this is going in that conduit, use gel filled, not shielded.

I'm in love with EZ-RJ45's.  They're expensive - $.55 / connector or so,
but MAN do they save time and you KNOW it's done in the right pattern.

http://www.telephoneparts.com/product/EZRJ45/EZ-RJ45+Crimping+System

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The RJ-45 male connectors and crimpers I use are a PITA sometimes.  What
are some nice connectors and crimpers to use?  The female ends I use are
really easy to put in the right order (and stay there), they don't have
to be the exact length, etc.

That said, I'm looking at possibly needing to install some shielded
cable.  I'd imagine they'd need a connector made for shielded cable.
Suggestions on this route are appreciated as well.


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Re: [WISPA] RJ-45 and crimpers

2007-08-14 Thread Mike Hammett

argh, not gel filled!   ;-)

I was looking at needing the shielded cable because of an FM station not far 
away.  I haven't been able to squelch it yet at a customer 1/2 mile away.



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If this is going in that conduit, use gel filled, not shielded.

I'm in love with EZ-RJ45's.  They're expensive - $.55 / connector or so,
but MAN do they save time and you KNOW it's done in the right pattern.

http://www.telephoneparts.com/product/EZRJ45/EZ-RJ45+Crimping+System

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The RJ-45 male connectors and crimpers I use are a PITA sometimes.  What
are some nice connectors and crimpers to use?  The female ends I use are
really easy to put in the right order (and stay there), they don't have
to be the exact length, etc.

That said, I'm looking at possibly needing to install some shielded
cable.  I'd imagine they'd need a connector made for shielded cable.
Suggestions on this route are appreciated as well.


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Re: [WISPA] RJ-45 and crimpers

2007-08-14 Thread George Rogato

I know those EZ's are easy, but they are expensive.

Why don't you just learn to use the cheap ones and get it right. Why ay 
more if you don't have to?


George

Mike Hammett wrote:

The RJ-45 male connectors and crimpers I use are a PITA sometimes.  What are 
some nice connectors and crimpers to use?  The female ends I use are really 
easy to put in the right order (and stay there), they don't have to be the 
exact length, etc.

That said, I'm looking at possibly needing to install some shielded cable.  I'd 
imagine they'd need a connector made for shielded cable.  Suggestions on this 
route are appreciated as well.


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Re: [WISPA] RJ-45 and crimpers

2007-08-14 Thread Mike Hammett
I've done hundreds of crimps with the cheapos, but I am lazy and time is 
money.  ;-)


Regular indoor cable and the first few reels of outdoor cable I used were 
all pretty easy, but as I've started to get different kinds of cable in, 
some are more difficult to work with than others.



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I know those EZ's are easy, but they are expensive.

Why don't you just learn to use the cheap ones and get it right. Why ay 
more if you don't have to?


George

Mike Hammett wrote:
The RJ-45 male connectors and crimpers I use are a PITA sometimes.  What 
are some nice connectors and crimpers to use?  The female ends I use are 
really easy to put in the right order (and stay there), they don't have 
to be the exact length, etc.


That said, I'm looking at possibly needing to install some shielded 
cable.  I'd imagine they'd need a connector made for shielded cable. 
Suggestions on this route are appreciated as well.



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Re: [WISPA] RJ-45 and crimpers

2007-08-14 Thread Marty Troup
I use the shielded connectors from Cables To Go.. They seem to work  
well enough but they are definitely a PITA.  I use actual shielded  
RJ-45 or shielded Keystones and even Shielded Patch Panels that are  
then grounded outside via copper ground rod.


In my application it is grounded via the Patch Panel however if it  
were just going from a CPE/AP to a switch/computer i don't think it  
would be properly grounded?


Anyhow just some food for thought.

Here are the links:

http://www.cablestogo.com/product.asp?cat%5fid=419sku=27579

Demonstration of how to terminate, notice the loading bar diagram at  
the bottom.

http://www.vpi.us/installation/assemble-cat6shld.html

Quoting Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


argh, not gel filled!   ;-)

I was looking at needing the shielded cable because of an FM station
not far away.  I haven't been able to squelch it yet at a customer 1/2
mile away.


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- Original Message - From: Smith, Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 2:49 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] RJ-45 and crimpers



If this is going in that conduit, use gel filled, not shielded.

I'm in love with EZ-RJ45's.  They're expensive - $.55 / connector or so,
but MAN do they save time and you KNOW it's done in the right pattern.

http://www.telephoneparts.com/product/EZRJ45/EZ-RJ45+Crimping+System

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Subject: [WISPA] RJ-45 and crimpers

The RJ-45 male connectors and crimpers I use are a PITA sometimes.  What
are some nice connectors and crimpers to use?  The female ends I use are
really easy to put in the right order (and stay there), they don't have
to be the exact length, etc.

That said, I'm looking at possibly needing to install some shielded
cable.  I'd imagine they'd need a connector made for shielded cable.
Suggestions on this route are appreciated as well.


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Re: [WISPA] RJ-45 and crimpers

2007-08-14 Thread George Rogato
The stuff we use to go up the tower is either a heavier gage copper or a 
thicker insulation on the conductor. Maybe both.
I use the ez's there always. It's easier to terminate and I'm that much 
more comfortable knowing I went the extra step to have no problems or 
issues.


On customer premises stuff, I use the typical connector and don't have 
any problems.


I also buy thousands per year and I like thouands times .10 than .55

George

Mike Hammett wrote:
I've done hundreds of crimps with the cheapos, but I am lazy and time is 
money.  ;-)


Regular indoor cable and the first few reels of outdoor cable I used 
were all pretty easy, but as I've started to get different kinds of 
cable in, some are more difficult to work with than others.



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- Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 4:06 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] RJ-45 and crimpers



I know those EZ's are easy, but they are expensive.

Why don't you just learn to use the cheap ones and get it right. Why 
ay more if you don't have to?


George

Mike Hammett wrote:
The RJ-45 male connectors and crimpers I use are a PITA sometimes.  
What are some nice connectors and crimpers to use?  The female ends I 
use are really easy to put in the right order (and stay there), they 
don't have to be the exact length, etc.


That said, I'm looking at possibly needing to install some shielded 
cable.  I'd imagine they'd need a connector made for shielded cable. 
Suggestions on this route are appreciated as well.



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