Re: [WISPA] Trees under half mile

2010-09-16 Thread Nick White
So what kinds of distances are people currently going through trees, and what kinds of signals, CCQ, throughput, etc. are you seeing? I guess I'm looking for success stories. I need to sell this to the partners. I know it can be done, and I'm fairly confident it will work in this situation,

Re: [WISPA] Trees under half mile

2010-09-16 Thread RickG
I've been fighting trees since I got into the wireless business back in '97. IMHO, only lower frequencies will reliably serve a customer. I currently have a few customers with some trees and they complain it cuts out. It boils down to what quality of service you want to provide. On Thu, Sep 16,

Re: [WISPA] Trees under half mile

2010-09-16 Thread Jason Hensley
for awhile but noise floor went too high and couldn’t work around it so we pulled all our 900 equipment. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nick White Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 10:50 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trees

Re: [WISPA] Trees under half mile

2010-09-16 Thread chris cooper
, September 16, 2010 3:05 PM To: n...@atomsplash.com; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trees under half mile At my house, I live in a hole with about ¾ mile of solid oak trees between me and the tower. 2.4Ghz in the late spring (meaning good, saturated leaves) I can run 4meg. When

Re: [WISPA] Trees under half mile

2010-09-16 Thread Josh Luthman
About the only product that will work that low. What do you call decent throughput? I think 2x requires 6dbm. On Sep 16, 2010 3:40 PM, chris cooper ccoo...@intelliwave.com wrote: Ive never deployed Canopy 900. Vendor materials say it will work at a 3 db C/I. Can you keep a solid connection

Re: [WISPA] Trees under half mile

2010-09-16 Thread Jerry Richardson
...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of chris cooper Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 12:43 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trees under half mile Ive never deployed Canopy 900. Vendor materials say it will work at a 3 db C/I. Can you keep a solid connection w/ decent throughput at that ratio

Re: [WISPA] Trees under half mile

2010-09-14 Thread Jeromie Reeves
On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 8:43 PM, Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com wrote: At 9/13/2010 10:57 PM, Jeromie wrote: Sorry, when ever people talk about mesh they most often mean 1 radio meshing. First-generation mesh networks with one radio were awful.  I didn't think that was what Greg had in

Re: [WISPA] Trees under half mile

2010-09-14 Thread Fred Goldstein
At 9/14/2010 02:59 AM, Jeromie Reeves wrote: ... First-generation mesh networks with one radio were awful. I didn't think that was what Greg had in mind. Second-generation mesh networks separated the backhaul (meshing) from the user access, and worked better. I actually like to use mesh

Re: [WISPA] Trees under half mile

2010-09-13 Thread Glenn Kelley
3.65 is limited in that you can only go as high as 99 feet I believe - someone will correct me if I am wrong. If you are using airmax - 2.4 should help 5ghz you may have some issues w/ trees however My suggestion is a mix - I noticed that you have not mentioned 900mhz 900 and trees

Re: [WISPA] Trees under half mile

2010-09-13 Thread Josh Luthman
900 won't do 10 megs. Get on the tower with a Ubiquiti and the dual pol panels (powerbridge?) and put up an omni or sector with 2.4 or 5. Depending on terrain all subs under a mile should be fine. On Sep 13, 2010 6:58 PM, Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com wrote: 3.65 is limited in that you can

Re: [WISPA] Trees under half mile

2010-09-13 Thread Greg Ihnen
Would this be a good application for a mesh network? The towers feeding the town from both sides, and a mesh through out town? Greg On Sep 13, 2010, at 5:50 PM, Nick White wrote: Hi All, I've got a small town that is literally a 1 mile x 1 mile square. I have two towers, one is North, 10

Re: [WISPA] Trees under half mile

2010-09-13 Thread Glenn Kelley
I have not seen mesh done on the cheap however but open to some ideas for sure On Sep 13, 2010, at 7:02 PM, Greg Ihnen wrote: Would this be a good application for a mesh network? The towers feeding the town from both sides, and a mesh through out town? Greg On Sep 13, 2010, at 5:50 PM,

Re: [WISPA] Trees under half mile

2010-09-13 Thread Philip Dorr
how about Ubiquti with Openmesh On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 6:06 PM, Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com wrote: I have not seen mesh done on the cheap however but open to some ideas for sure On Sep 13, 2010, at 7:02 PM, Greg Ihnen wrote: Would this be a good application for a mesh network? The

Re: [WISPA] Trees under half mile

2010-09-13 Thread Glenn Kelley
Is there a way to do openmesh without having to give them revenue? On Sep 13, 2010, at 7:13 PM, Philip Dorr wrote: how about Ubiquti with Openmesh _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com

Re: [WISPA] Trees under half mile

2010-09-13 Thread Jeromie Reeves
I have a 'town' I have setup like that (just a large group of towns, they call it a village). A couple PowerStation2's fed from 5ghz covers it well. I also made a few key locations AP's. I take the clients AP's and make them switchs, disabling the wifi. Then add a name on my units for them to use.

Re: [WISPA] Trees under half mile

2010-09-13 Thread Jeremie Chism
I am unaware of the 99 limit. I actually have a set at 185 ft. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 13, 2010, at 5:58 PM, Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com wrote: 3.65 is limited in that you can only go as high as 99 feet I believe - someone will correct me if I am wrong. If you are using airmax -

Re: [WISPA] Trees under half mile

2010-09-13 Thread Glenn Kelley
I can ask our licensing guy - he had seemed for some reason to think this was the rule. Thanks for the heads up.. worth asking again @ least. I have a location I can use it now - (to get to my own home) - we are looking @ 290 foot - or want to @ least Thanks On Sep 13, 2010, at 8:01 PM,

Re: [WISPA] Trees under half mile

2010-09-13 Thread Jeromie Reeves
Correction, large group of houses. On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 4:33 PM, Jeromie Reeves jree...@18-30chat.net wrote: I have a 'town' I have setup like that (just a large group of towns, they call it a village). A couple PowerStation2's fed from 5ghz covers it well. I also made a few key locations

Re: [WISPA] Trees under half mile

2010-09-13 Thread Fred Goldstein
At 9/13/2010 07:02 PM, you wrote: 900 won't do 10 megs. The new Ubiquiti M-series Airmax 900 MHz radios should do it. MCS10 in a 5 MHz quarter-channel is around 10 Mbps. A lower-loss path could allow MCS11 or MCS12. While you can't synchronize sectors, they look like they will outperform

Re: [WISPA] Trees under half mile

2010-09-13 Thread Jeromie Reeves
With the low cost of Ubnt gear, why not run real relays? The area is small enough to not need a unreasonable amount of relays. On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 6:07 PM, Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com wrote: At 9/13/2010 07:02 PM, you wrote: 900 won't do 10 megs. The new Ubiquiti M-series Airmax

Re: [WISPA] Trees under half mile

2010-09-13 Thread Fred Goldstein
At 9/13/2010 09:23 PM, you wrote: With the low cost of Ubnt gear, why not run real relays? The area is small enough to not need a unreasonable amount of relays. What do you mean by real relays? A mesh or routed network or whatever you want to call it is a set of relays. I may be missing out

Re: [WISPA] Trees under half mile

2010-09-13 Thread Greg Ihnen
Backhauls? Greg On Sep 13, 2010, at 9:16 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote: At 9/13/2010 09:23 PM, you wrote: With the low cost of Ubnt gear, why not run real relays? The area is small enough to not need a unreasonable amount of relays. What do you mean by real relays? A mesh or routed network or

Re: [WISPA] Trees under half mile

2010-09-13 Thread Jeromie Reeves
Sorry, when ever people talk about mesh they most often mean 1 radio meshing. Multiradio relays generally do not benefit from most of the mesh software. OSPF or rSTP works very well and are generally stable and are generally supported and have many tools. I keep everything off the radio I possibly

Re: [WISPA] Trees under half mile

2010-09-13 Thread Fred Goldstein
At 9/13/2010 10:57 PM, Jeromie wrote: Sorry, when ever people talk about mesh they most often mean 1 radio meshing. First-generation mesh networks with one radio were awful. I didn't think that was what Greg had in mind. Second-generation mesh networks separated the backhaul (meshing) from