Re: [WISPA] churn, double play and why WLP is key - I finallyunderstand it
Tom, I just read this now- but I would say that you likely didn't deploy a packetwave with the CBR qos enabled. Aperto works like crap if you don't Set up service flows on a bsr. On 1/9/07 9:41 PM, "Tom DeReggi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jeff, > > Not to be confrontational but. > >> 400 calls per sector > > Hogwash, not a chance in heXX. > > I do agree that Aperto was one of the first products in the market place to > offer full feature sets in one package, with strengths on its QOS and > Bandwidth management, and NLOS ability. A lot of smart innovated things on > their radios, much earlier than other vendors. > > But its down fall was limiting itself to only 6 Mhz channels, and mandatory > pre-defined split of bandwidth allocated for each direction, limiting its > possible bandwdith to approximately 1/6 what the VL could deliver REAL > WORLD. Aperto limited themselves to believe there wouldn't be fast enough > backhauls to justify having faster sectors, which was wrong. They also > didn't consider "noise" as a key factor, when doing their math on what speed > they could get with 6Mhz. Then throw in their lack of having remote live > testing tools, so half the time it was hard to even know what performance > was even being acheived, without a truck roll and taking the client down to > test. > > I got better VOIP performance out of our Trango's than I did Aperto, which > is why we pulled our Aperto out of DC. > > Tom DeReggi > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > > ----- Original Message - > From: "Jeffrey Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 4:02 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] churn, double play and why WLP is key - I > finallyunderstand it > > >> >>> I believe it can now be said without reservation, that if you are using >>> unlicensed and wanting to implement a double play of VoIP + data, the >>> ONLY product out there that can do it in scale and with toll quality is >>> BreezeACCESS VL. >> >> >> Bzzz.. Wrong. >> >> Aperto supports toll quality voice of about 400 calls per sector, on 1/3 >> of >> the channel width that vl requires. >> >> Other than aperto though, I would agree with most of your sentiments. >> >> - >> >> Jeff >> >> >> -- >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] churn, double play and why WLP is key - I finallyunderstand it
I was told they switched to VL. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 11:40 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] churn,double play and why WLP is key - I finallyunderstand it Agreed. I bought a CPE once and it was a 30 day wait. They clearly didn't have funds to do production, and were looking for their clients to fund the production. I didn't know Towersteam dumped Aperto. What did they switch to? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Mike Bushard, Jr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 11:37 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] churn,double play and why WLP is key - I finallyunderstand it > Yup Aperto PacetWave is a good product, But now that TowerStream and > Freewire no longer uses it, no one seems to sell it, and the Company reps > wont call you back, it really doesn't matter how good it was. If they > won't > sell you product... well the funds dry up. > > I have a sector of VL in the office, with 2 SU's and 10Mhz Channels > pulling > 15-16Mbps down and 13-14Mbps up 4 more Mhz than Aperto and 3-4 more > Mbps I'll take that. > > Mike Bushard, Jr > Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC > 320-256-WISP (9477) > 320-256-9478 Fax > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Jeffrey Thomas > Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 3:03 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] churn, double play and why WLP is key - I > finallyunderstand it > > >> I believe it can now be said without reservation, that if you are using >> unlicensed and wanting to implement a double play of VoIP + data, the >> ONLY product out there that can do it in scale and with toll quality is >> BreezeACCESS VL. > > > Bzzz.. Wrong. > > Aperto supports toll quality voice of about 400 calls per sector, on 1/3 > of > the channel width that vl requires. > > Other than aperto though, I would agree with most of your sentiments. > > - > > Jeff > > > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] churn, double play and why WLP is key - I finallyunderstand it
Agreed. I bought a CPE once and it was a 30 day wait. They clearly didn't have funds to do production, and were looking for their clients to fund the production. I didn't know Towersteam dumped Aperto. What did they switch to? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Mike Bushard, Jr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 11:37 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] churn,double play and why WLP is key - I finallyunderstand it Yup Aperto PacetWave is a good product, But now that TowerStream and Freewire no longer uses it, no one seems to sell it, and the Company reps wont call you back, it really doesn't matter how good it was. If they won't sell you product... well the funds dry up. I have a sector of VL in the office, with 2 SU's and 10Mhz Channels pulling 15-16Mbps down and 13-14Mbps up 4 more Mhz than Aperto and 3-4 more Mbps I'll take that. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Thomas Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 3:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] churn, double play and why WLP is key - I finallyunderstand it I believe it can now be said without reservation, that if you are using unlicensed and wanting to implement a double play of VoIP + data, the ONLY product out there that can do it in scale and with toll quality is BreezeACCESS VL. Bzzz.. Wrong. Aperto supports toll quality voice of about 400 calls per sector, on 1/3 of the channel width that vl requires. Other than aperto though, I would agree with most of your sentiments. - Jeff -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] churn, double play and why WLP is key - I finallyunderstand it
Yup Aperto PacetWave is a good product, But now that TowerStream and Freewire no longer uses it, no one seems to sell it, and the Company reps wont call you back, it really doesn't matter how good it was. If they won't sell you product... well the funds dry up. I have a sector of VL in the office, with 2 SU's and 10Mhz Channels pulling 15-16Mbps down and 13-14Mbps up 4 more Mhz than Aperto and 3-4 more Mbps I'll take that. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Thomas Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 3:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] churn, double play and why WLP is key - I finallyunderstand it > I believe it can now be said without reservation, that if you are using > unlicensed and wanting to implement a double play of VoIP + data, the > ONLY product out there that can do it in scale and with toll quality is > BreezeACCESS VL. Bzzz.. Wrong. Aperto supports toll quality voice of about 400 calls per sector, on 1/3 of the channel width that vl requires. Other than aperto though, I would agree with most of your sentiments. - Jeff -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] churn, double play and why WLP is key - I finallyunderstand it
Jeff, Not to be confrontational but. 400 calls per sector Hogwash, not a chance in heXX. I do agree that Aperto was one of the first products in the market place to offer full feature sets in one package, with strengths on its QOS and Bandwidth management, and NLOS ability. A lot of smart innovated things on their radios, much earlier than other vendors. But its down fall was limiting itself to only 6 Mhz channels, and mandatory pre-defined split of bandwidth allocated for each direction, limiting its possible bandwdith to approximately 1/6 what the VL could deliver REAL WORLD. Aperto limited themselves to believe there wouldn't be fast enough backhauls to justify having faster sectors, which was wrong. They also didn't consider "noise" as a key factor, when doing their math on what speed they could get with 6Mhz. Then throw in their lack of having remote live testing tools, so half the time it was hard to even know what performance was even being acheived, without a truck roll and taking the client down to test. I got better VOIP performance out of our Trango's than I did Aperto, which is why we pulled our Aperto out of DC. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Jeffrey Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 4:02 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] churn, double play and why WLP is key - I finallyunderstand it I believe it can now be said without reservation, that if you are using unlicensed and wanting to implement a double play of VoIP + data, the ONLY product out there that can do it in scale and with toll quality is BreezeACCESS VL. Bzzz.. Wrong. Aperto supports toll quality voice of about 400 calls per sector, on 1/3 of the channel width that vl requires. Other than aperto though, I would agree with most of your sentiments. - Jeff -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] churn, double play and why WLP is key - I finallyunderstand it
I'll be nice.Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Thomas Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 4:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] churn, double play and why WLP is key - I finallyunderstand it > I believe it can now be said without reservation, that if you are using > unlicensed and wanting to implement a double play of VoIP + data, the > ONLY product out there that can do it in scale and with toll quality is > BreezeACCESS VL. Bzzz.. Wrong. Aperto supports toll quality voice of about 400 calls per sector, on 1/3 of the channel width that vl requires. Other than aperto though, I would agree with most of your sentiments. - Jeff -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer viruses(190). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer viruses(42). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer viruses. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] churn, double play and why WLP is key - I finallyunderstand it
Jeff, Aperto implements the 802.16 MAC, which we all know gets brutalized in UL. In fact, it is a principal reason major vendors are not offering UL WiMAX today and it is THE reason the IEEE created the 802.16h task group to come up with a solution that fixes the .16 problem in shared spectrum. Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Thomas Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 1:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] churn, double play and why WLP is key - I finallyunderstand it > I believe it can now be said without reservation, that if you are using > unlicensed and wanting to implement a double play of VoIP + data, the > ONLY product out there that can do it in scale and with toll quality is > BreezeACCESS VL. Bzzz.. Wrong. Aperto supports toll quality voice of about 400 calls per sector, on 1/3 of the channel width that vl requires. Other than aperto though, I would agree with most of your sentiments. - Jeff -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer viruses(190). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer viruses(43). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer viruses. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
